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05/26/2006 04:43 AM (UTC)
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majindragon Wrote:
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I'm staunchly against it, with either sex.

To me it's not natural, male and female anatomy is designed to work together, and that's that, case closed. You cannot argue with that, you cannot go against biology.


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I always hate this question. I feel like it's a lose-lose situation for me, but I don't back away from my beliefs and morality.

I'm against homosexuality for a myriad of reasons. I always feel like a bad guy when I say that, and think that's exactly the reaction those for it want. But, to me, it's just not right. I'm reluctant to use my religion, since people tend to scoff and call me a biggot just for that alone, but it is against my Christian beliefs. Beyond that, though, I believe it is social unnatural. Those who support it always use the example that I have no right to restrict someone else for loving another, regardless of gender. I will agree with that. People will do whatever the heck they want regardless of what I believe or say. But my standards don't change. The world's standards do. Fifty years ago, homosexuality would never have been so proudly promoted because society dictated it was wrong. Now they dictate that it is all right. But just because society says it's right, does that make it right? There has to be a transcendent standard, and that's what I follow. According to that same logic, is it then already for two people who deeply love each other, but are blood-related, to have an incestuous relationship? Society still dictates that that is wrong, but will it always be that way? I don't let my standards change. I'm not against homosexuals, just their life-styles. I can disapprove without condemnation. People are given free-will and can use it however they see fit, but I don't think it's right. That doesn't make me any better or any worse than someone with a contrary opinion, but, in the end, someone has to be right: it is either wrong or right.


everything I've been trying to say, just re-worded.

got the mod(s) ready to pounce anytime I feel the need to defend myself from the many instigators, antagonists, and genuine morons, yet this bickering goes unscathed. partisan in every way.

ShingoEX Wrote:
krsx66 Wrote:
I'm staunchly against it, with either sex.

To me it's not natural, male and female anatomy is designed to work together, and that's that, case closed. You cannot argue with that, you cannot go against biology.


The problem with your argument is that supposedly, homosexuality is caused by a "mixup" of sorts on a biological level...a naturally-occuring biological level.


What do you mean "supposedly"? In layman's terms, and pardon my French, you can't copulate with two penises or vaginas. Unless you care to argue that.
who actually said that making babies were our sole purpose in life??

cant trust what another Man says, or what a bunch of papers say. its all just opinions in th end..


actually niko wasnt being for or againist gays, he was simply asking you to make sense of your posts. which none of them made any of.
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majindragon
05/26/2006 04:49 AM (UTC)
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Incompetence on your part doesn't require an emergency on mine.

It seems as a homosexual, you choose to blatantly disregard the facts that me and others are putting out there, whether it's secular or non-secular. I don't expect to convert anyone (although if so, all the better), merely attempting to convey my own beliefs and opinions. I'm not making anything personal, nor should you take it as such.

I suppose you've never heard of Sodom and Gomorrah, have you?
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05/26/2006 05:01 AM (UTC)
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majindragon Wrote:
Incompetence on your part doesn't require an emergency on mine.

It seems as a homosexual, you choose to blatantly disregard the facts that me and others are putting out there, whether it's secular or non-secular. I don't expect to convert anyone (although if so, all the better), merely attempting to convey my own beliefs and opinions. I'm not making anything personal, nor should you take it as such.

I suppose you've never heard of Sodom and Gomorrah, have you?
no, actually go ahead and have your opinion, but dont say that its a fact. its opinion.

LMAO about the Sodom and Gomorrah. people who believe that prolly believe god tried to destroy new orleans..
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travelingwilbury
05/26/2006 05:14 AM (UTC)
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i'm with dan. he is gay and a bud of mine. i do not have anything against homosexuals. i think it is more being born gay than a choice. to kind of sterotype, most gays i have seen around were i live have more of a feminane voice and features. this is not the case with all but because i have seen so many like that, it kind of makes me think its a biological born with thing. i do not see the big deal about it. if thats there tatse then respect it. be tolerate. i hate fuckin emo people and there taste, but i have to tolerate it. i do not blame them for the deaths of americans and gods wrath.

and to those who say god hates queers, shut the hell up. makes ya sound like a complete jackass.
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05/26/2006 05:18 AM (UTC)
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majindragon Wrote:
When it comes to sexuality, there is but one true and universal principle: woman was created for man, and vice versa. A man and woman, irregardless of race or religious preference, are able to copulate on their own. It's the natural order of things. Two men or two women? That can't and won't work, from a secular or non-secular perspective.

Take a look at your ceiling (assuming you have one), and look at the light bulb (assuming there is one). Don't stare at it dumbass, just look or glance. Could such luminance be possible with two bulbs or two sockets? No. The natural design is for one bulb, one socket...light.

Your argument rests on the assumption that sex is only a "natural" behavior if the intent is procreation. But then why does homosexuality occur among animals? At least among humans, sex is a physical expression of love, and a means of pleasure for which we're naturally driven. In fact, I would argue that for a gay person to abstain from homosexual relationships is more unnatural than to pursue them; to deny ourselves emotional fulfillment is psychologically destructive.

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It's also ludicrous how you'll see people with Gay Pride or Lesbian Pride shirts, but if you wanna rock a Hetero or Straight Pride outfit, you're immediately not allowed.

Calling that "ludicrous" is to completely ignore context. However much progress gays have made over the past 30 or 40 years, homophobia is still prevalent in American society. Do you think anyone dreads admitting to their parents that they're straight? And when was the last time you heard of someone being beaten to death just because they were straight? Personally, I'm somewhat bi-curious, and it was a long time before I could admit that to myself, and there are some people I don't think I could ever admit that to, because of the way society looks at homosexuality. The idea of gay pride is based on the belief that homosexuality shouldn't be stigmatized, that young gays shouldn't have to grow up keeping some kind of terrible secret from the world. In a society where gays have traditionally been marginalized and persecuted, the idea of "straight pride" only serves to reinforce the stigma against homosexuality.
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ShingoEX
05/26/2006 05:25 AM (UTC)
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travelingwilbury Wrote:
i think it is more being born gay than a choice.


Not sure if it's something when you're born so much as something that occurs during pubery. jJust another theory floating around. They could be linked, however.
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05/26/2006 05:32 AM (UTC)
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XcarnageX Wrote:
majindragon Wrote:
When it comes to sexuality, there is but one true and universal principle: woman was created for man, and vice versa. A man and woman, irregardless of race or religious preference, are able to copulate on their own. It's the natural order of things. Two men or two women? That can't and won't work, from a secular or non-secular perspective.

Take a look at your ceiling (assuming you have one), and look at the light bulb (assuming there is one). Don't stare at it dumbass, just look or glance. Could such luminance be possible with two bulbs or two sockets? No. The natural design is for one bulb, one socket...light.

Your argument rests on the assumption that sex is only a "natural" behavior if the intent is procreation.


If it wasn't for the reproductive organs, there would be no homosexuality or heterosexuality. The standpoint I argue from is justified.


XcarnageX Wrote:
But then why does homosexuality occur among animals?


Exactly, animals indeed. I've been asking myself the same thing.


majindragon Wrote:
It's also ludicrous how you'll see people with Gay Pride or Lesbian Pride shirts, but if you wanna rock a Hetero or Straight Pride outfit, you're immediately not allowed.
XcarnageX Wrote:

Calling that "ludicrous" is to completely ignore context. However much progress gays have made over the past 30 or 40 years, homophobia is still prevalent in American society. Do you think anyone dreads admitting to their parents that they're straight? And when was the last time you heard of someone being beaten to death just because they were straight? Personally, I'm somewhat bi-curious, and it was a long time before I could admit that to myself, and there are some people I don't think I could ever admit that to, because of the way society looks at homosexuality. The idea of gay pride is based on the belief that homosexuality shouldn't be stigmatized, that young gays shouldn't have to grow up keeping some kind of terrible secret from the world. In a society where gays have traditionally been marginalized and persecuted, the idea of "straight pride" only serves to reinforce the stigma against homosexuality.


It's amazing what people will ignore to emphasize their own points. Did I say homosexuals were the majority (other than this site)?

No. My point can be better addressed with an example, which occured in at my high school: a gay guy was wearing a light blue shirt in my math class that said "Gay Pride, I Won't Hide". He received compliments from a plethora of people, and even the teacher nicely commented on it. Lo and behold, about a day later, a friend of mine wears a navy blue shirt that has in green letters, Straight Pride. Both were expressing their sexuality...the latter had to leave school grounds immediately, and received a day's suspension.
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05/26/2006 05:39 AM (UTC)
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majindragon Wrote:
No. My point can be better addressed with an example, which occured in at my high school: a gay guy was wearing a light blue shirt in my math class that said "Gay Pride, I Won't Hide". He received compliments from a plethora of people, and even the teacher nicely commented on it. Lo and behold, about a day later, a friend of mine wears a navy blue shirt that has in green letters, Straight Pride. Both were expressing their sexuality...the latter had to leave school grounds immediately, and received a day's suspension.


I see your point. I think its wrong the guy got suspended for it.

However, the big difference is that the gay guy is risking to get beat up when he is by himself wearing that shirt.

A straight guy would never get beat up by wearing a shirt that says "Straight pride".

That's probably one of the reasons the gay guy got a lot of compliments for wearing that shirt.
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05/26/2006 06:04 AM (UTC)
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ShingoEX Wrote:
travelingwilbury Wrote:
i think it is more being born gay than a choice.


Not sure if it's something when you're born so much as something that occurs during pubery. jJust another theory floating around. They could be linked, however.


I can remember being attracted to men long before puberty.
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ShingoEX
05/26/2006 06:14 AM (UTC)
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There ya go...
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Metadream
05/26/2006 08:01 AM (UTC)
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I have nothing against homosexuality at all.
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Alpha_Q_Up
05/26/2006 09:27 AM (UTC)
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I've never understood why the hell anyone would be against it. Two homosexual people going out and doing there thing has absoultely no effect on you and it shouldn't. Let them be
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05/26/2006 10:49 AM (UTC)
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Alpha_Q_Up Wrote:
I've never understood why the hell anyone would be against it. Two homosexual people going out and doing there thing has absoultely no effect on you and it shouldn't. Let them be


Possibly one of the smartest posts in the whole damn thread.
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05/26/2006 01:05 PM (UTC)
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Keith Wrote:
Alpha_Q_Up Wrote:
I've never understood why the hell anyone would be against it. Two homosexual people going out and doing there thing has absoultely no effect on you and it shouldn't. Let them be


Possibly one of the smartest posts in the whole damn thread.


It couldn't be the whole thread, it had to be the whole 'damn' thread...nice emphasis, guess you really did like it.

The thread didn't ask about the effects it has on a person, just whether they're for or against it. Even then, if I was in a club dancing and sipping my Jesus Juice(TM) and some random homo came and tapped me on the ass, then it would affect me. Likely? Maybe, maybe not. Possible? Yes.

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05/26/2006 01:37 PM (UTC)
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I have absolutely no problem with it. We walk, we talk, we shop, we sneeze. It doesn't change that if you're sleeping with another person of your sex. You're still a person and nothing less.

And I could think of a LOT worse things than watching two men kiss.
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05/26/2006 01:50 PM (UTC)
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ShingoEX Wrote:


The problem with your argument is that supposedly, homosexuality is caused by a "mixup" of sorts on a biological level...a naturally-occuring biological level.


To me that theory is just an assumption to allow for tolerance.

About the 'it doesn't affect you' posts, well I don't like homosexuality being thrust in my face. I think it is wrong and immoral, and having it paraded around the media and society in an attempt to get me to 'accept' it is an infringment on my freedom of choice.
Don't force your beliefs on me trying to justify your choice. That in itself is a measure of your insecurity, meaning you yourself know it's wrong, and are trying to kid yourself into making it right. If you knew it was right, you wouldn't care about making it appear right in societal consiousness, you wouldn't care.

I also don't like double standards in today's world. The t-shirts was a prime example of this. It's ok for one to profess their beliefs, but it's come to the point where those against it are belittled as bigots.
And please don't bring up racial notions of old, how they were incorrect even though they were believed. Differing race is naturaly occuring and part of human genetics, it is natural and right - have you seen the children of parents of differing racial backgrounds? Their offspring often turn out to be the best looking people.

And majindragon, I agree with you on every level.
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05/26/2006 01:59 PM (UTC)
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majindragon Wrote:
Keith Wrote:
Alpha_Q_Up Wrote:
I've never understood why the hell anyone would be against it. Two homosexual people going out and doing there thing has absoultely no effect on you and it shouldn't. Let them be


Possibly one of the smartest posts in the whole damn thread.


It couldn't be the whole thread, it had to be the whole 'damn' thread...nice emphasis, guess you really did like it.

The thread didn't ask about the effects it has on a person, just whether they're for or against it. Even then, if I was in a club dancing and sipping my Jesus Juice(TM) and some random homo came and tapped me on the ass, then it would affect me. Likely? Maybe, maybe not. Possible? Yes.



Alpha's post has everything to do with this thread...

He makes a great point which is how does someone elses relationship with his/her lover affect you in any way?
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majindragon
05/26/2006 02:35 PM (UTC)
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Niko I'd argue with you, but krsx just posted what I'd say, might wanna read it.

cool sig, though.
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foahchon
05/26/2006 02:37 PM (UTC)
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I don't care if people are gay. People are free to be gay all they want. I can't stop them from being gay, and there's not much evidence as to whether or not they can stop themselves from being gay. What I do object to, though, is the so-called "homosexual lifestyle," (not that every homosexual engages in such a lifestyle) gay marriage, and pairs of gays adopting children. Those are all things whose effects inevitably will permeate throughout society.
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nobrainer
05/26/2006 04:11 PM (UTC)
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I think it's kind of irritating when people feel the need to be so flamboyantly over-expressive with their sexuality and just shove it in your face. Well, guess what; my left thumbnail is slightly longer than my right.
I dislike it when gay people actually announce that they are gay in such random ways and treat it like a big issue, of course it's nowhere near as bad as the intolerance itself, but I feel it only helps harbour it.

I don't go around telling people "Hi, my name's Roger, and I'm straight."* If I did, people would be giving me funny looks.



*I don't call myself straight anyway, because I feel it implies that gays are "bent". Nor am I called "Roger", but you get the point.
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05/26/2006 04:14 PM (UTC)
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nobrainer Wrote:
I think it's kind of irritating when people feel the need to be so flamboyantly over-expressive with their sexuality.
I hate it when gay people actually announce that they are gay in such random ways and treat it like a big issue, of course it's nowhere near as bad as the intolerance itself, but I feel it only helps harbour it.

I don't go around telling people "Hi, my name's Roger, and I'm straight."


Not all gay people are like that.
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ShingoEX
05/26/2006 04:21 PM (UTC)
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edited for mixing up the context of the post. My apologies.
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05/26/2006 04:26 PM (UTC)
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danadbab Wrote:
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i have a homosexual COCK.

what do i do wow wow wow wow




Evil gay cock... Cut it off!!!

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majindragon
05/26/2006 04:27 PM (UTC)
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ShingoEX Wrote:
krsx66 Wrote:
Don't force your beliefs on me trying to justify your choice. That in itself is a measure of your insecurity, meaning you yourself know it's wrong, and are trying to kid yourself into making it right. If you knew it was right, you wouldn't care about making it appear right in societal consiousness, you wouldn't care.


uh...

wha...?

You COMPLETELY lost me on that one.


Of course you're lost, when you just crop a portion of his post without bothering to read the whole thing.
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05/26/2006 04:29 PM (UTC)
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krsx66 Wrote:


I don't like homosexuality being thrust in my face.


Ha.




Really though, what's the big deal? It's all just sex.
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