Attorney seeks to "Destroy Rockstar"
Attorney seeks to "Destroy Rockstar"
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posted08/08/2004 05:14 AM (UTC)byAbout Me
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If you haven't heard by now, the U.K. is up in arms over a recent murder. The thing that draws attention to this murder though, is that the blame is being placed on Rockstar for their violent games. Mainly Manhunt. Evidently some 17 year old kid killed a 14 year old kid.
Of course, the parents don't want to take the blame for not raising their son properly, so the victim's mother has contacted and hired U.S. attorney Jack Thompson.
Jack Thompson is a fairly well known attorney. He has sued such people as 2 live crew over their lyrics, Howard Stern for his degrading segments, and has protested against video game companies in the past.
He recently did a couple interviews, one on game daily, and one on IGN.
You can find them here
http://biz.gamedaily.com/features_new/jack_thompson/
And here
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/536/536062p1.html
I sent an e-mail to this fool after reading his interviews. Here is what I had to say. WARNING! It's long.
Dear Mr. Thompson,
I've just finished reading your "interview" that was posted on IGN.com. I use the term "interview" in quotation marks for the reason that I feel it was not an interview at all. You managed to lay out some mighty big claims during that discussion, but, I found it humorous that you were unable to back them up with any sources. One example I will point out is when you were asked what comic books have ads for violent video games. To which you willingly answered "I don't know". Did I read that correctly? You lay out a claim like that and are unable to back that claim by citing a specific example? If you were serious about your movement to ban violent video games, you would treat every interview as if you were preparing to show a jury "Exhibit: A". Not to mention the fact that many, many adults do read and collect comics. Comics are not only for kids. I am also willing to bet that if you did a study on the subject, you would find that adult males account for most of the comic book industries sales. You also fail to mention that R rated movies are also advertised in comics.
Many of the points you made are NOT fact, no matter how much you want them to be. Case in point: I am twenty-one years of age. I have been playing video games since I was five years of age. I have played just about every violent video game that has received mainstream media attention because of it's violence. Grand Theft Auto, Manhunt, Mortal Kombat, Riddick, Doom, Wolfenstein, you name it and chances are, I have played it. And even with all of this, I have never once been in a fight, I have no police record, and I have never even gotten a traffic ticket. So my question to you is, if video games have such a negative impact on those who have played them since a young age, why am I, and many others, not effected by it?
Would you like me to answer this for you? The answer is quite simple. Human beings have varying personalities, varying psyches, and varying levels of emotion. What may make one person mad, may make another cry. What may make one person happy, may disgust another. What may be acceptable to one person, may not be to another. Now, with this in mind I would like to take this time to firmly agree with PART of your message. Yes, violent video games CAN have a negative effect on somebody. The part I will disagree with however, is that it is the gaming industries fault for this tragic murder that happened.
The premise of such things is simple. Different people react differently to different things. It is the PARENTS responsibility to know what their child can and can not handle. It is the PARENTS responsibility to know whether or not their child can distinguish between fantasy and reality. And it is the PARENTS responsibility to be involved enough in their childs life to know what kind of things they are exposed to. It is not the video game industries responsibility to determine what a child can or can not handle. Because, as I said, different people react differently to different things. That is a proven fact, and should even be common sense.
The Nintendo ad which you pointed out holds no ground either. Like I said, different people take things a different way. You take that ad, "You are what you play", as a kid playing a game, then going out and imitating it. What it actually means, is that you can immerse yourself in the game. You can play a story and get wrapped up in it, just like when some people read a book. This ad does not promote anything in the nature of going out and imitating actions found within the games.
For you to say that the rating system is a joke, is also a farce. I can give testimony to the fact that I have been carded plenty of times by such stores as Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Gamestop, Babbages, Target, and Toys R' Us. Just because one store in the UK sold a game to a minor, does not mean that every store in the world does that. But then again, there are plenty of movie theaters across America that do not card for an R rated movie. I do not see you protesting against them though now do I?
And I would like to go back to the parents for a moment if I could. Let us face another fact. No kid can order online without a credit card. And no kid can legally hold a credit card unless they are of eighteen years of age anyway. So your whole point about online stores not checking for ID's is all a smoke screen. Where did they get that credit card? I'm willing to guarantee that mommy and daddy bought that violent game for them. And no "kid" has the money to buy video games either. Do you think a fourteen year old holds a job? They can't buy that game without mommy and daddy's money. But the gaming industry is the only one guilty here? Did they put the game in the kids hand?
I have a kid brother who is now thirteen. And yes, there was a time when I kept him away from overly violent movies and games. But I don't anymore. Do you know why? Because I know that he is mentally able to handle such things. He knows the difference between right and wrong, fantasy and reality. What it all boils down to, is what I stated earlier. It is the PARENTS responsibility to know what their kid can handle, not the gaming companies.
You will not win your case against Rockstar. And I will tell you why. Movies are considered an art form. They are protected under the constitution of the United States of America. Video games are interactive movies. They allow you to make the choices that you want to make in this "movie". A game creator is no different than a director of a film. They both have a vision, they work with other people to see their vision come to life, they both have the freedom to express whatever views and thoughts that they wish to. And most importantly, they do not subject their products to an audience that does not want to see them. It is all a matter of choice. Nobody forces you, or anyone else, to sit down and play a game or watch a movie. Video games are an art form, they are a digital art form. And that is why you will not be able to touch Rockstar.
Video games are properly rated just like movies. Your time should be better spent trying to slap fines on stores that do not card minors while purchasing M rated games. I fully embrace and support the rating system, and have seen it work first hand. I fully believe that any store that sells an M rated game to a minor should be fined. This way, you have nothing to complain about. It's not Rockstar's fault that this game fell into the hands of a seventeen year old. The parents of this murderer have no one to blame but themselves. Perhaps they could of taken the time to be involved with what their child was being exposed to? But we don't think about that do we? No, we don't. Parents point the finger at everyone and everything except themselves. But instead of taking responsibility for not taking the time to learn about such things, you and everyone else point to the maker of a violent game. How this even holds water is beyond me. If some kid gets his hands on some beer, then gets behind the wheel of a car and kills somebody, do we blame Budwesier? No, we blame the kid and the parents. And that's how it should be. It's not Budweiser's fault the kid got a hold of the beer.
Now, I'm sure once you are in the court room and attacking Rockstar, my E-mail here will never see the light of day. And it should because I have offered several examples that prove that it is not the Video games that corrupt the kids. It's the parents who either, A) Can't or won't take the time to learn what their kids are exposed to. B) Refuse to take responsibility for their own short comings. And C) Probably bought the game for them in the first place. And since you could not even offer a credible source to your comic book comment, I certainly have no faith at all that you would take this E-mail and use it in court. Why? Because all of my points are valid. They hurt your case. If you were to put me on the stand then Rockstar would get away without so much as a fine. I am the exact opposite of what you say video games create.
Take my advice, work on having stores strictly enforce the carding policy. I want this more than anything. That way, when another kid kills some other kid because of a video game, you have no one to blame but the parents for buying it for them. And I will say good luck in your case, because you have none against Rockstar.
Sincerely,
Josh F.
Of course, the parents don't want to take the blame for not raising their son properly, so the victim's mother has contacted and hired U.S. attorney Jack Thompson.
Jack Thompson is a fairly well known attorney. He has sued such people as 2 live crew over their lyrics, Howard Stern for his degrading segments, and has protested against video game companies in the past.
He recently did a couple interviews, one on game daily, and one on IGN.
You can find them here
http://biz.gamedaily.com/features_new/jack_thompson/
And here
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/536/536062p1.html
I sent an e-mail to this fool after reading his interviews. Here is what I had to say. WARNING! It's long.
Dear Mr. Thompson,
I've just finished reading your "interview" that was posted on IGN.com. I use the term "interview" in quotation marks for the reason that I feel it was not an interview at all. You managed to lay out some mighty big claims during that discussion, but, I found it humorous that you were unable to back them up with any sources. One example I will point out is when you were asked what comic books have ads for violent video games. To which you willingly answered "I don't know". Did I read that correctly? You lay out a claim like that and are unable to back that claim by citing a specific example? If you were serious about your movement to ban violent video games, you would treat every interview as if you were preparing to show a jury "Exhibit: A". Not to mention the fact that many, many adults do read and collect comics. Comics are not only for kids. I am also willing to bet that if you did a study on the subject, you would find that adult males account for most of the comic book industries sales. You also fail to mention that R rated movies are also advertised in comics.
Many of the points you made are NOT fact, no matter how much you want them to be. Case in point: I am twenty-one years of age. I have been playing video games since I was five years of age. I have played just about every violent video game that has received mainstream media attention because of it's violence. Grand Theft Auto, Manhunt, Mortal Kombat, Riddick, Doom, Wolfenstein, you name it and chances are, I have played it. And even with all of this, I have never once been in a fight, I have no police record, and I have never even gotten a traffic ticket. So my question to you is, if video games have such a negative impact on those who have played them since a young age, why am I, and many others, not effected by it?
Would you like me to answer this for you? The answer is quite simple. Human beings have varying personalities, varying psyches, and varying levels of emotion. What may make one person mad, may make another cry. What may make one person happy, may disgust another. What may be acceptable to one person, may not be to another. Now, with this in mind I would like to take this time to firmly agree with PART of your message. Yes, violent video games CAN have a negative effect on somebody. The part I will disagree with however, is that it is the gaming industries fault for this tragic murder that happened.
The premise of such things is simple. Different people react differently to different things. It is the PARENTS responsibility to know what their child can and can not handle. It is the PARENTS responsibility to know whether or not their child can distinguish between fantasy and reality. And it is the PARENTS responsibility to be involved enough in their childs life to know what kind of things they are exposed to. It is not the video game industries responsibility to determine what a child can or can not handle. Because, as I said, different people react differently to different things. That is a proven fact, and should even be common sense.
The Nintendo ad which you pointed out holds no ground either. Like I said, different people take things a different way. You take that ad, "You are what you play", as a kid playing a game, then going out and imitating it. What it actually means, is that you can immerse yourself in the game. You can play a story and get wrapped up in it, just like when some people read a book. This ad does not promote anything in the nature of going out and imitating actions found within the games.
For you to say that the rating system is a joke, is also a farce. I can give testimony to the fact that I have been carded plenty of times by such stores as Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Gamestop, Babbages, Target, and Toys R' Us. Just because one store in the UK sold a game to a minor, does not mean that every store in the world does that. But then again, there are plenty of movie theaters across America that do not card for an R rated movie. I do not see you protesting against them though now do I?
And I would like to go back to the parents for a moment if I could. Let us face another fact. No kid can order online without a credit card. And no kid can legally hold a credit card unless they are of eighteen years of age anyway. So your whole point about online stores not checking for ID's is all a smoke screen. Where did they get that credit card? I'm willing to guarantee that mommy and daddy bought that violent game for them. And no "kid" has the money to buy video games either. Do you think a fourteen year old holds a job? They can't buy that game without mommy and daddy's money. But the gaming industry is the only one guilty here? Did they put the game in the kids hand?
I have a kid brother who is now thirteen. And yes, there was a time when I kept him away from overly violent movies and games. But I don't anymore. Do you know why? Because I know that he is mentally able to handle such things. He knows the difference between right and wrong, fantasy and reality. What it all boils down to, is what I stated earlier. It is the PARENTS responsibility to know what their kid can handle, not the gaming companies.
You will not win your case against Rockstar. And I will tell you why. Movies are considered an art form. They are protected under the constitution of the United States of America. Video games are interactive movies. They allow you to make the choices that you want to make in this "movie". A game creator is no different than a director of a film. They both have a vision, they work with other people to see their vision come to life, they both have the freedom to express whatever views and thoughts that they wish to. And most importantly, they do not subject their products to an audience that does not want to see them. It is all a matter of choice. Nobody forces you, or anyone else, to sit down and play a game or watch a movie. Video games are an art form, they are a digital art form. And that is why you will not be able to touch Rockstar.
Video games are properly rated just like movies. Your time should be better spent trying to slap fines on stores that do not card minors while purchasing M rated games. I fully embrace and support the rating system, and have seen it work first hand. I fully believe that any store that sells an M rated game to a minor should be fined. This way, you have nothing to complain about. It's not Rockstar's fault that this game fell into the hands of a seventeen year old. The parents of this murderer have no one to blame but themselves. Perhaps they could of taken the time to be involved with what their child was being exposed to? But we don't think about that do we? No, we don't. Parents point the finger at everyone and everything except themselves. But instead of taking responsibility for not taking the time to learn about such things, you and everyone else point to the maker of a violent game. How this even holds water is beyond me. If some kid gets his hands on some beer, then gets behind the wheel of a car and kills somebody, do we blame Budwesier? No, we blame the kid and the parents. And that's how it should be. It's not Budweiser's fault the kid got a hold of the beer.
Now, I'm sure once you are in the court room and attacking Rockstar, my E-mail here will never see the light of day. And it should because I have offered several examples that prove that it is not the Video games that corrupt the kids. It's the parents who either, A) Can't or won't take the time to learn what their kids are exposed to. B) Refuse to take responsibility for their own short comings. And C) Probably bought the game for them in the first place. And since you could not even offer a credible source to your comic book comment, I certainly have no faith at all that you would take this E-mail and use it in court. Why? Because all of my points are valid. They hurt your case. If you were to put me on the stand then Rockstar would get away without so much as a fine. I am the exact opposite of what you say video games create.
Take my advice, work on having stores strictly enforce the carding policy. I want this more than anything. That way, when another kid kills some other kid because of a video game, you have no one to blame but the parents for buying it for them. And I will say good luck in your case, because you have none against Rockstar.
Sincerely,
Josh F.
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Hopefully that 17 year old had a better shot percentage than those kids at columbine.
Let't not let the kid actually take responsiblity for his own actions. And lets not hope that they rehabilitate him, that would be productive.
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Hopefully that 17 year old had a better shot percentage than those kids at columbine.
Let't not let the kid actually take responsiblity for his own actions. And lets not hope that they rehabilitate him, that would be productive.
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He's precisely the type of intolerant motherfucker I was talking about in my thread.
There's something vital that all these people seem to miss. Video games and movies and other entertainment mediums do not create psychopaths. LIFE creates psychopaths, because life generally sucks and some people can't deal with that. So why don't these people who are trying to "protect the children" go on a giant crusade to put an end to life, starting with their own.

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If videogames are responsible for killing, then I officially get to blame my pencil for my 1.9 GPA back in high school.


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Wow, JadeDragonMeli, that was a great email. You made very great points. Now, will the idiot read it and take it into consideration? Probably not, but it doesn't hurt to try.


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First off, excellent e-mail. Everything you said is true. I've played almost every violent game as well, and I have never gotten the urge to go out and kill someone or get into a fight. I'm really getting sick and tired of these parents that aren't willing to take responsibility for their bad parenting.
The sad fact is that he might read your e-mail, but he will probably never understand what it means. Hopefully one day people will see that games and movies and music are not the problem.
The sad fact is that he might read your e-mail, but he will probably never understand what it means. Hopefully one day people will see that games and movies and music are not the problem.
what it all comes down to is that no one wants to except that its their fault. everyone wants to blame someone else b/c thats eaiser then taking the blame urself! now it would be unbelieveable and outrageous if the parents excepted the blame for their screw up. its a real shame what this world is coming to. id like to say that we are all getting better but when you get down to it all we are just getting worse and worse.and im not saying im perfect either! even i have done bad things before and i have learned to except that and try and grow from it. (lowers head in disgust and walks away thinking the world is going down fast)


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The whole case is bullshit anyway, first off it was the victims parents that blamed the game Manhunt (as if the 17 year old who killed their son told them everything they did and played). Second, the game Manhunt was not even found in the killer's house but in the ownership of the VICTIM. Oh shit, looks like mommy and daddy found their target in their childs bed room. The police haven't linked the murder in any way to video games so this case is a complete load of shit which doesn't have enough going for it to be considered for trial imo. God I hate people.


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The fuckers cant do shit Rockstar should counter sue there ass for bullshit claims. Video games dont kill. People kill people.The kid was going to kill no matter what the media will blame anything.


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TheDragonKingakaReptile Wrote: The whole case is bullshit anyway, first off it was the victims parents that blamed the game Manhunt (as if the 17 year old who killed their son told them everything they did and played). Second, the game Manhunt was not even found in the killer's house but in the ownership of the VICTIM. Oh shit, looks like mommy and daddy found their target in their childs bed room. The police haven't linked the murder in any way to video games so this case is a complete load of shit which doesn't have enough going for it to be considered for trial imo. God I hate people. |
Your correct about what you have stated, infact the 17 year old was robbing the 14 year old for the game, and also the police from the start stated that there was no link to the game, it was a newspaper called the Mirror here in the UK that ran the story that the game was linked to the murder and every other media here jumped on the band wagon without checking the facts first, most stores here have removed Manhunt from the shelves which has increased sales from online sites that stock it so it's back in the gaming charts here, which is a big
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These are the stories that make me wanna jump off a fucking skyscraper...
I hope Rockstar comes out with Manhunt 2 and promotes the living shit out of it in the UK..
I hope Rockstar comes out with Manhunt 2 and promotes the living shit out of it in the UK..
blade-tsung Wrote: These are the stories that make me wanna jump off a fucking skyscraper... I hope Rockstar comes out with Manhunt 2 and promotes the living shit out of it in the UK.. |
Agreed. And I want the "Director" to actually tell the player to hurt people in real-life situations.........you know...........to be funny. *stares around akwardly*


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Terranova Wrote: TheDragonKingakaReptile Wrote: The whole case is bullshit anyway, first off it was the victims parents that blamed the game Manhunt (as if the 17 year old who killed their son told them everything they did and played). Second, the game Manhunt was not even found in the killer's house but in the ownership of the VICTIM. Oh shit, looks like mommy and daddy found their target in their childs bed room. The police haven't linked the murder in any way to video games so this case is a complete load of shit which doesn't have enough going for it to be considered for trial imo. God I hate people. Your correct about what you have stated, infact the 17 year old was robbing the 14 year old for the game, and also the police from the start stated that there was no link to the game, it was a newspaper called the Mirror here in the UK that ran the story that the game was linked to the murder and every other media here jumped on the band wagon without checking the facts first, most stores here have removed Manhunt from the shelves which has increased sales from online sites that stock it so it's back in the gaming charts here, which is a big |
Another fan of logic and an informed personas well. Plus a Metallica fan as I can see in your sig. I like you already


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hehe oh by the way, I'm 17 and play mortal kombat, gta and manhunt. Everybody beware 
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There was a thread like this in the MK:D discussion forum. If you didn't read it..
The game (Manhunt) is banned here, and people who try to bring manhunt into this country are given one year prison sentances. No, i'm not kidding.
Bloody ridiculous.
Videogames don't make people kill, bureaucracy does.
Feel free to send mailbombs and/or threatening letters to the New Zealand government.
Now if you'll excuse me, i have a car bomb to detonate...
The game (Manhunt) is banned here, and people who try to bring manhunt into this country are given one year prison sentances. No, i'm not kidding.
Bloody ridiculous.
Videogames don't make people kill, bureaucracy does.
Feel free to send mailbombs and/or threatening letters to the New Zealand government.
Now if you'll excuse me, i have a car bomb to detonate...
Well done TDKakaR, couldn't have put it any better myself. The idea that we have TV, Movies, Video Games, or just media in general to blame for violence and murder is truly absurd! It has nothing to do with any of these forms of entertainment, and EVERYTING to do with the individual in question. I believe that violent behavior is learned by experiencing said behavior in one's daily life. Whether it be a small child who, day in and day out, sees his/her drunk father beating his mom to a bloody pulp, or a parent who constantly belittles a child and makes them feel worthless and a waste, thus breeding anger. Or here's another popular one, kids in school day after day taking beatings and verbal abuse from the resident bully or bullies...letting this build up until it can't be taken anymore, causing the person to snap. Bottom line? Video games to don't kill people, people do.
People are friggin' thick.
OK...violent video games, movies, songs, books, comics, etc. get marketed EVERYWHERE. America. Japan. Europe. Canada. Most of these have FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR lower crime rates than the U.S. And many of them, Japan especially, markets things that surpass this violence by far.
Maybe there's a little social problem going on here?
OK...violent video games, movies, songs, books, comics, etc. get marketed EVERYWHERE. America. Japan. Europe. Canada. Most of these have FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR lower crime rates than the U.S. And many of them, Japan especially, markets things that surpass this violence by far.
Maybe there's a little social problem going on here?


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you_suck I completely agree, it is a societal problem in the U.S.
We are raising a lot of insensitive, mean, elitist brats that treat people who are different and poorer like shit and we have an education system that is obviously incapable of recognizing these problems and helping the people who are abused by these piece of shit kids/teens for years. Feeling ignored, desperate, and no longer worth living, the victims go over the edge and unfortunately harm others.
THAT is the problem.
We are raising a lot of insensitive, mean, elitist brats that treat people who are different and poorer like shit and we have an education system that is obviously incapable of recognizing these problems and helping the people who are abused by these piece of shit kids/teens for years. Feeling ignored, desperate, and no longer worth living, the victims go over the edge and unfortunately harm others.
THAT is the problem.
That was a great e-mail. And you're totally right, it wasn't the video game's fault, it was the parents, for letting him have it. And Jack Thompson said that it was the killers game, not the victims, unlike other what later reports said. I bet he said that crap just to "help" his case. What a liar. And he said Vice City was advertised a couple months ago in Spider-Man? Vice City's been out for almost 2 freakin years??? Do they still advertise it in comic books still? And I doubt it was actually the GTA Double Pack, because it's been out since last November/December, and it's about time to start advertising GTA: San Andreas.
I am 13 and I play Mortal Kombat and play GTA Vice City/3 almost ALL the time, and I haven't killed anyone, much less beaten anyone up.
I am 13 and I play Mortal Kombat and play GTA Vice City/3 almost ALL the time, and I haven't killed anyone, much less beaten anyone up.
Why does everybody like to point the finger at the parents?
You know, like maybe it's different for each case. You don't know the perp or the victim in this case, or any of their parents for that matter, so what makes you think you already know whose fault it is?
Maybe we should let people start taking responsibility for their actions, instead of desperately trying to find someone else to blame it on, or understand why these killers do what they do. It doesn't matter if there's a social problem, each person is still responsible for their actions.
You know, like maybe it's different for each case. You don't know the perp or the victim in this case, or any of their parents for that matter, so what makes you think you already know whose fault it is?
Maybe we should let people start taking responsibility for their actions, instead of desperately trying to find someone else to blame it on, or understand why these killers do what they do. It doesn't matter if there's a social problem, each person is still responsible for their actions.


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foahchon Wrote: Why does everybody like to point the finger at the parents?You know, like maybe it's different for each case. You don't know the perp or the victim in this case, or any of their parents for that matter, so what makes you think you already know whose fault it is?Maybe we should let people start taking responsibility for their actions, instead of desperately trying to find someone else to blame it on, or understand why these killers do what they do. It doesn't matter if there's a social problem, each person is still responsible for their actions. |
"It takes a village to raise a child." Society creates monsters, I did not blame the parents for the 17 year old's actions but I do blame the parents of the victim for pointing fingers in the first place. I will not, however, retract my belief that ones experiences shapes who they are thus a person IS their past. Taking responsibility for one's own actions is all well and good but all of humanity blames things other than itself for their actions so don't hand that argument to me. No human being is innocent, attempting to achieve what one wants in general interferes with other's lives, everybody's actions, unless they are a hermit, affect at least one other person.


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Rockstar games are only for ppl who can handle the content without being influenced by the actions of the games. I'm a huge fan of the Grand Theft Auto series, I have the double-pack for Xbox and have already pre-ordered San Andreas and MKD, I haven't gone out and killed anyone nor had homicidal thoughts. I don't like Manhunt, it's WAY TOOOOOO violent. I've been raised on Christian values so I take games as entertainment and not as something that would inspire me to shoot someone on the highway or go to school with a gun. As for the topic I hope Rockstar wins so they can continue making more GTA's but should tone down Manhunt.
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foahchon Wrote: Why does everybody like to point the finger at the parents?You know, like maybe it's different for each case. You don't know the perp or the victim in this case, or any of their parents for that matter, so what makes you think you already know whose fault it is?Maybe we should let people start taking responsibility for their actions, instead of desperately trying to find someone else to blame it on, or understand why these killers do what they do. It doesn't matter if there's a social problem, each person is still responsible for their actions. |
Yeah that's pretty much my take on this.
It's like blaming parents for a childs truancy.
It isn't necessarily the parents fault (I'd say in most of these killings, parents actions have little to no effect on their children's actions).
A lot of you are saying "It's the parents fault, they're just looking for somebody to blame", but aren't you doing the same thing (looking for somebody to blame) by automatically pinning it on the parents?
My father is (was) a pastor, and lives his life pretty strictly according to his religion (both my parents do). One of my sisters was a drug addict and a thief (stole my fathers car at 13, ploughed through somebody's front porch, got arrested and taken in, where she was left alone for a few moments and stole $400 from the station, not mention all the other shit she did) and my other sister was an alcoholic suicidal drug addicted satanist (always attempting to kill herself in ritualistic ways, carving weird symbols into her flesh, always on an acid trip, and pretty much foaming with hatred).
Now, this pretty much blows the "it's the parents fault" theory out of the water, because my parents are model citizens, and 2 out of 3 of their kids were beyond help.
Also, how the fuck is someone at age 17 still considered a child? Somebody commits a crime at age 17 and it's a videogames fault, or their parents fault, but somebody commits a crime at age 18 and it's their own fault? All the whole thing is doing is teaching children they don't have to take responsibility for their actions.
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