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Not yet.....and GOD I want some fuckin' Arby's!

The problem is, people voluntarily consent to the drug test, there is no force or coercion involved. I had a job at Pizza hut, working as a Delivery Driver, they had no drug test, some places have it, others do not, if we do not like the policies of one company, there are other choices. If people want their blood, urine, and other materials to be private, don't submit to the drug test, they're not coming into homes and holding people down to get their body fluids for analysis, there are places that hire without one, I've worked at one that did not require a drug test.


They also operate under the assumption that drug use may impact performance whether it will or not is irrelevant because they believe it clearly will and are taking steps to run their business without it impacting their workers.

Whether they're right or wrong isn't the issue, it's the fact that as a private organization in a free market Republican democracy, they have the option to do that. If you're on drugs and injure a patron or something while you're working, you open the company up to civil liabiltiy, not just yourself. I have no problem with drugs, but businesses have a legitimate interest in protecting their assests.

This is no different from being required to wear a uniform or special gear to work, you're still sacrificing a personal choice and liberty to work at any place of business, you cannot usually be loud and flamboyant at work, or be controversial either, at least not with customers or your boss, so if we look deeper into this, no matter what your choices are restricted while at work, from physical to verbal expression, it's all impacted and the same thing goes with a drug test. Is it morally wrong? I'm not going to rule on it, but when you leave work you can express yourself however you want.

It's still happening under coercion. Sure, you're not legally obligated to undergo the test, but if you don't, you're losing your job.


I'm not convinced they believe that. My co-workers come into work all the time hungover, and as long as our numbers are okay, no one says a thing. The funny thing is that when I do come in hungover, my numbers are actually crap, lol. Luckily, you can't prove the hangover is proper causation, so my boss isn't in a position to say anything to me (if he knows, that is).

My guess is this: employers don't want to hire people who don't have regard for the law. I don't blame them for that, either. Nonetheless, it's still an invasion of privacy and it's still unconstitutional. They shouldn't have the right to look at my blood contents any more than the right to look at my banking statement.


If you mean being intoxicated WHILE at work, I agree, but isn't that a different issue?


But those aren't invasions of privacy. Those requirements exist purely within the bounds of work. They're not checking to see if you're loud and flamboyant inside your own apartment.


I just don't like the inconsistency. Why are employers allowed to screen employs' drug use but it's still illegal to ask someone their age in a job interview?

I cannot quote good, so I'll just address your quotes with numbers


1.As I said before, there are places that hire WITHOUT a drug test, if people want to do drugs, apply at those places, they will never screen you for them, that's all I can tell people. Every job doesn't have it as a requirement, look elsewhere.

2.I am talking about what I've heard and logically speaking, but you're right lack of regard of the law seems more logical, though drug use while working can obviously impact performance or coming into work drunk or high.In regards to the Constitutionality, there has been no case won to establish its unconstitutionality and unless there ever is one, it is still constitutional and also banking records are submitted to a third party, which means they are not subject to the privacy you're talking about if the bank decides to turn over your records to the authorities, there is nothing you can do, no warrant is required, there is no expectation of privacy in information you give out to a third party, Criminal Procedure stuff decided by the Supreme Court, our highest court in the United States. They do NOT have the RIGHT to see your blood contents, you have a right to tell them no way and move on to the next job, the only right they have is to refuse employment for non-compliance.

3. We agree on this point, no further elaboartion needed.


4. It's still a violation of choice if we're being technical, using drugs and have controversial views or having piercing is still personal choices, that are limited while at work. Privacy no, but choice and expression are important rights, correct? I don't have a problem with wardrobe limitations or any of that, they're just examples.


5. I don't know why, it's out of my hands, I really don't know why it's like that I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with them as my opinion isn't relevant, laws tend to be inconsistent and sometimes silly and in my state they ask you your age on every application we fill out, maybe it's different in Texas, but they ask for date of birth, are you over the age of 16 or 18 as well( which gives them the ability to discern age).

I'm not trying to troll, I simply have no sympathy for any drug abusers.
There's already been a flamewar thread about that though, so I'm not going to go into that now, because as I've discovered, there are many drug-abusers on this forum who take pride in doing so...

Just giving my input, as all the others have. As Espio said, just because I'm not supportive of the OP doesn't mean I am trolling.

Good luck J, and sorry can't hook ya up since Zero split from that horrible place haha wouldn't have any advice even if I got here sooner but I know how much you been tryin so I got my fingers crossed for you, I'm sure Zero does too.

Thanks, R. I'm not sure he knows and I'm glad he got out while he could. It took me getting fired. Lord knows I would've just lingered there.

I'll most likely get the answer today. Seriously wish I hadn't partied. And I rarely party! Bad timing, but I'm always gonna hope.

Because I know that for a fact. If you lower yourself into smoking marijuana, you easily become addicted to it and want it perhaps daily. But one day, you don't have marijuana but you still have your addiction...
You want to try other drugs almost equal to marijuana, like medicine that you can buy from a pharmacy, that just happen to be a lot worse for your health and in the worst case scenario you lose control of yourself entirely for a moment (only God knows the consequences, trust me).
If you lower yourself once, you'll lower yourself twice. (If you didn't get this - no, it doesn't happen always - but statistically more often compared to non-smokers and cannabis users.)

I don't do what you ask... Ah, the consistency: a humble request leading to arrogant defense ...I rather follow logic. The real question goes: will you?

^"Lowering myself to marijuana?" It all just sounds so judgemental and this "addiction" you speak of doesn't exist.

In the past 4 years, I've indulged on irregular intervals in large gaps by invitation on all but one count. I simply drank too much and decided "fuck it" at absolutely one of the worst possible times. Of course you can fault me on that, but don't assume I am or am going to be a drug addict. I know too many people, my father included, who've gone down that road and I have a strong will. (this is why I don't usually drink, it was their thing as well)

Bottom line is you don't know me and statistics don't do shit to help your evaluation of this individual.

I'll indulge this particular branch of conversation no longer.

Statistics and examples, they merely worked as an advice. Examples of someone, but not you. Good for you.

Trust me, man. As far as "risking addiction" goes, I've got it under control.

I did, however, break my vow presented in the last post. To not indulge this branch.....I DO love writing.

The friends you spend the most time with can affect a lot - but in the end it's all about yourself, and what you decide. No problem with the writing thing. Good luck with the employment, you will undoubtedly obtain a decent job as long as you have the attitude what it takes.

I completely understand the point of view for somebody to be against using drugs, but I swear the way these people defend their beliefs make them sound like ... I don't even know. As deluded as those extremist Christian factions.

Dogmatic?
I'm not dogmatic, I want to remain open-minded - but after I've studied these things, I know why marijuana was defined as a drug like the others in the first place. Usually pro-cannabis people have experience in using cannabis, being biased. I haven't tried any of those for a principle but I've got a very accurate picture of what that is however.

That same bias should apply to anti-cannabis people who have no experience in using cannabis as well.

There are plenty of people in the world who use drugs recreationally and you'd never know because they are still well respected, contributing members of society. If you are an irresponsible person, then yes, drug use is potentially a bad idea for you. But so is driving. So is having a baby. So is everything. I think that we need to stop focusing on a low-risk drug like marijuana as a scapegoat and put more attention on teaching people to take more responsibility for their own actions. But that's just the way I see things.

You know what strikes me as strange?

There are white people who do crack cocaine and literally function like regular members of society. It blows my mind! (I won't try it though. It fucks black people ALL the way up. The gov'ment took ma baby!)

True, but:


Some big artists do indeed utilize the intoxicating effects pretty well and I don't blame them (read: unless you're a Hollywood star who has reached everything) but I wouldn't prefer drugs for a rising artist though. In a perfect world where everyone would take on their actions, marijuana would be welcome, but in the real world people are not responsible overall thus marijuana isn't a good option. In the contrary, cars and babies are a necessity for the society that we have today.
I'd like to discuss about this more - perhaps later - but I believe we would have a damn long (interesting) conversation if we looked deeper to the case. Until next week...

I support it and have never and will never indulge in it. I have no desire to compromise my state of mind nor do I feel like doing them is fun or a stress reliever, that's what excercise and good conversation is for to me, but if people are productive members of society and not hurting anyone, I see no reason to give it a second thought, but that's just my view.

I personally have no cannabis use to be biased about, I'm just going off of my own observations, alcohol is legal, yet it is a catalyst for more crminality than marijuana( marijuana has its share too mind you).

Marijuana is illegal in the US for many reasons, the least of them actually being about the harmful negative effects of the actual drug.

My extreme pothead friends know all of that stuff. It's shocking to say the least.

It is partially a civilizational illness.

I'm a bit late to this discussion, but I do have something to contribute:

I've been drug tested twice.
Neither was for a job or anything particularly important,
so I didn't take them very seriously.

I smoked every day until, like, three days before the test (both times),
yet I still showed as negative on both tests.

My point: don't believe all the horror stories about how detectable weed is.
Maybe it stays in *some* people's system for months after a single joint,
but it doesn't stay in mine for so much as days, despite the amount I use.

Alright. For the people who asked, yes I have passed the drug test! Yay!

I got a job offer today for job in a mold injecting factory making $9.00 per hr.

It would be cool, but it's so far out that after gas expenses, I'd actually be Makin less than I was at Wendy's in the bottom line.

I'll ask about jobs closer to here and to disclose the place of employment would have been over 10 miles away. No bueno.

Thanks for contributing to the conversation and let's hope that something else pops up soon. If not that, let's just hope I get this job at UPS. I'd at least be able to pay my bills while I look for more work.