Duke Nukem Forever: a fun exercise in mediocrity + walkthrough link.
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posted07/02/2011 06:40 PM (UTC)by
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It is out. 14 years and Duke had the last laugh. Albeit a faint one.




It has it's fair share of problems. Keep in mind several things: this game adheres to FPS standards about 5-6 years ago, there is literally nothing new in DNF, nothing groundbreaking, it is stricktly formula.

Which DN3D was essentially, aside with mass amounts of level interactivity. DN3D for it's time was run-and-gun, nothing new to Doom, but with peppered tidbits that made levels fun, and levels designed after realistic settings, not just a maze dressed in thematic colors.

DNF has interactivity, however that is saying that an FPS game has sniper rifles - it is not memorable enough. All FPS games nowadays use this, hell, it is a requirement. What DNF has instead? Tried and told formula, browninsh realism. The FPS technology simply cought up to the logical maximum of what Duke started, and now the sequel cannot quite provide as much interactivity in comparison to the prequel (which was the starter of it all). Short version: levels are standard. The settings are fun, casino, Las Vegas etc. but that is also pretty standard urban ruin which we have seen.

Dukequips. Some people have bashed that Duke lost his humour, that straightforward taunts etc. are not Duke...yadayadayada. I just reran DN3D (6 hours in Come Get Some difficulty) and frankly, the original Duke's humour is just as straightforward and simplistic. People it seems put on the nostalgia goggles too much for Dn3D. But again, this quipping while not a standard fare in FPS games has already been done and expected so it underwhelms somewhat.

Though some of the new quips, while borrowed again (even from Blood of all things - Army of Darkness etc.) are still as macho and guilty pleasure indulgences as previously. And the new references are even more stomach splittingly hillarious and unsubtle. Example - - -> 2 Girls 1Duke.
Go on, browse 2 girls 1 cup, I dare you. All in all, humour is still on par with DN3D, but nothing more by a milimeter.

Guns... not much of innovation here either, and the two gun restriction is , to put it midly lame... understandable with some weapons (RPG, Devastator, Enforcer rocket launcher - 5 shots of heat-seeking swarms), but for the Love of Duke why can't he carry around the pistol and the shotgun at least? Melee finishers are okay, seem visceral enough and do not step over to the gruesome, example - - - > Duke can Johnny Cage the heads off of the Alien Bastards, especially when 'roided up. More comical than gruesome, which fits the overall atmosphere very well.


Weapons:


Enemies. Just one thing: a big love letter to DN3D. All enemies are harder, meaner than 3D, and troops are no pushovers either. This results in MANLY COVER TAKING more often for Duke which is eyebrow-raising, but the game does provide some challenge (not to the level of Blood for example, which at the hardest difficulty puts Doom's Nightmare! level setting to EPIC SHAME. That game on the easiest is still killing you with three cultist tommy gun salvos). Enemies and the challenge is also STRICT FORMULA, but it is more akin to 3D, and by that it is A OK.

Oh yes, if you expect the bosses to have the same speed, I am looking at you Battlelord, you will shit your pants. That thing is now has ungodly run, and will bomb the f*** out of you.

Oh yeah, the Protozoid Slimer facehugger gets replaced with the Pregnator, suffice to say that it is a facehugger and it hes a set of balls on it's backside.... this had the effect of me deliberately allowing Duke to be mouthfucked for laughs the first time.

Sexy: it is there. More than before. My favourite is when at the beginning Duke is moving through ventilation shafts in his HQ and stumbles upon a woman in her room.

Ceiling Duke is watching you masturbate.

Turd: yes. it is there, with glorious commentary. Also, hillarious.


What is new: nothing. The game is basically 3D with better technology down to the simplistic run and gun mentality.

So what is good: Run-and-gun. The game is a love letter to Doom, and calling it Call of Nukem is a misnomer. Sure, Chest High Walls aplenty and regenerating health, and standard melee fares are included, but wasn't 3D the same culmination of FPS standards back then?

What is bad: play it once and you are basically finished with the game, seen most of the stuff, and have seen that this project isn't groundbreaking, and the top of it's current competition. Infact, it is pretty mediocre. But fun. Brainless, short term fun, sadly, in our time not as long or rather, not having the longevity of the precursor.

Simply put: what the Duke experience was and is does not cut top material any more. I am still trying to gather my thoughts about how it could be better (Duke NUkem and Robin...), but primordially this FPS genre is a simple straightforward bloodbath with memorable settings. The problem arose from the settings not being memorable enough, which has more to do with the fact that during the 14 years we have exhausted most ideas.


Verdict: 50%-75%, the in-between I tend to place around 70 or 65%. Formula, one shot FPS which will get a chuckle out of you or not. Not a reinventor, for which it is too late. But not garbage, because even though the tried-and-true mechanics are done better in Halo (ugh), etc... Duke still is diverse enough from the competition, especially from Random Military FPS with Zero Originality.

Filler game, stupid and half-assed thanks to megalomania. The character still has power, Duke himself is strong in the game, it is just that the product is ...well. you know what it is. Perhaps Duke would do better if they returned to the 2D plattform again (Manhattan Project) and later on revisit the FPS genre, when they have ACTUAL SIGHTS ON WHAT LEVEL OF INNOVATION THEY CAN ACHIEVE.

The industry needs Duke and what it represents, moving outisde the box of gruff, brooding protagonists with half-hearted mental problems, or the stock effeminate jackasses. Duke is an anti-hero, but one that is alot more positive than the downright villain protagonists we seem to get. I am sorry, either have a good villain protagonist with no redeeming factors (Caleb in Blood. An undead gunslinger from a late-western era containing the Dark slavic God of Tchernobog hell-bent on entropy), or a strong protagonist. I am sick of moral and emotional dilemmas in video games. And even more sick of the military propaganda they churn out again and again for the "gamer fratboy culture".

Who as we know, deserve the Mighty Foot Engaged on their asses.

Shallow, one-shot FPS with average stuff, but nothing bad about it. Mediocre, but refreshingly fun for a short time. For which, I think we could be thankful, as the release of DNF should stand as a warning to what not to do to a game, and what not do when salvaging a game. But honestly, not even Valve or Id Software could have saved DNF.

And actually, I look forward to the sequel.

Not an outstanding game, again, a pretty mediocre one, but with charm, and a naive love for something we all have seemed to forget: simple can be good when done smart. And that simple however comes off strong in DNF, and saves it from being a total trainwreck.

And there is something heartwarming about the fact that someone got his shit together and didn't let this character die. Duke is still holding on, but he is at least chest-up to the platform. And if Gearbox can pull it off, woe betide any FPS that goes up against a smart Duke sequel. Gearbox you have alot, ALOT, MORE THAN 14 YEARS OF DNF CATEGORY ALOT before you if you want to continue Duke. Good luck.




TL;DR: mediocre game with nothing explicitly bad, and has an atmosphere unlike anything else out there. Love it or hate it, but definitely worth that one shot and buy. Unless you are explicitly picky. Then I do not advise buying it.

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Walkthrough episode by episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWsYbwdYO_M&feature;=related


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Garlador
06/11/2011 07:09 PM (UTC)
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I lost all interest in Duke years ago. Hearing the game is simply bad-to-mediocre doesn't rekindle my interest.

Especially not after I've seen the self-referential humor of Matt Hazard, the glorious violence of Serious Sam, and the utter brilliance and fun variety of Bulletstorm.

Duke's lost the throne of greatness and others have taken his place. He's not the king anymore.
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06/11/2011 07:50 PM (UTC)
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Point.

But Matt Hazard? Serious Sam is basically Duke Nukem without the benefit of being the original (an imitator of a pop-cultured badass imitator?). So far the thing SS does better is massare, you got that right.

Unfamiliar with Bulletstorm. Case is: we are lucky to have DNF out, and it does underdeliver, but it is nowhere as bad. It is just, average and formula. It might have been great three years ago.

The character still has potential. They managed to update him twice, and the DNF one is on par with the previous. But that is just the character, and by the time of another sequel, he will have to move on a bit, get with the times.

I think DN deserves one more shot for not having the baggage of numerous sequels diluting it (MK, Sonic), but that would be a very hard and very strictly observed attempt. If he screws that one up, then he is done.

It is just that this series set something in stone, and gave quality above else. I think after the memetic development hell DNF can be fogiven, but only once. The game itself is not dysfunctional, it is just painfully stock.
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kingjolly
06/11/2011 09:53 PM (UTC)
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Thanks for the write up Chrome. I know you've been waiting for this game as long as I have. Hell I even remember making a DNF thread back in 2004. I never would have thought it would take another 7 years to get the game completed.


Sadly I have decided not to buy this game straight away. I have 2 reasons. I really really wanted to get this for the 360, but i hear the 360 version is absolute trash. It's plagued with glitches, poor graphics and terrible load times (up to 1 mins long). Worse yet the game load each time you die, so imagine you come accross a really hard part of the game. You have to wait a minuite long each time you fail :(

Other reason is that my laptop simply cannot handle DNF. It's not meant for gaming at all.

So I will wait when the game is super cheap or when one of you nice users buys me a nice pc with the latest NVIDIA cardwink



Hail to the King Baby......just dont take this long next time.

Edit-George Broussard should never be allowed to touch Duke Nukem ever again. The guy almost killed the franchise, that's if he hasn't already.
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FlamingTP
06/11/2011 11:32 PM (UTC)
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The Reason I am still Buying Duke Nukem Forever:

"What kind of sick mother fucker picks up wet feces?"
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Shesgotclaws
06/11/2011 11:51 PM (UTC)
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I just couldn't believe the hype over this game, the expectations to push boundaries.
I actually had a bet on another forum with a Guy that swore Duke Forever would have full frontal nudity. If it did I'd post myself full frontal.
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kingjolly
06/12/2011 01:11 AM (UTC)
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Shesgotclaws Wrote:
I just couldn't believe the hype over this game, the expectations to push boundaries.
I actually had a bet on another forum with a Guy that swore Duke Forever would have full frontal nudity. If it did I'd post myself full frontal.


I'll take on the bet. This is apparently one of the strippers you encounter in the game:



You can always pm me those images wink
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Shesgotclaws
06/12/2011 01:20 AM (UTC)
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kingjolly Wrote:
Shesgotclaws Wrote:
I just couldn't believe the hype over this game, the expectations to push boundaries.
I actually had a bet on another forum with a Guy that swore Duke Forever would have full frontal nudity. If it did I'd post myself full frontal.


I'll take on the bet. This is apparently one of the stripper's you encounter in the game:



You can always pm me those images wink


Uh oh.
Surely that's a Photoshop? No way is that in game.
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FlamingTP
06/12/2011 01:21 AM (UTC)
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kingjolly Wrote:
Shesgotclaws Wrote:
I just couldn't believe the hype over this game, the expectations to push boundaries.
I actually had a bet on another forum with a Guy that swore Duke Forever would have full frontal nudity. If it did I'd post myself full frontal.


I'll take on the bet. This is apparently one of the strippers you encounter in the game:

You can always pm me those images wink


I was waiting for that rofl
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kingjolly
06/12/2011 01:22 AM (UTC)
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It's that obvious? I thought I was good at these kind of things.

Oh well. It's was a nice try.grin
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Shesgotclaws
06/12/2011 01:35 AM (UTC)
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kingjolly Wrote:
It's that obvious? I thought I was good at these kind of things.

Oh well. It's was a nice try.grin


Phew! Lol thank God for that! You almost had me.

You really shopped that yourself though? Wow, excellent work. Of course its clever to hide the difficult bits with pixels but the skin tone is actually even.
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kingjolly
06/12/2011 01:45 AM (UTC)
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Shesgotclaws Wrote:
kingjolly Wrote:
It's that obvious? I thought I was good at these kind of things.

Oh well. It's was a nice try.grin


Phew! Lol thank God for that! You almost had me.

You really shopped that yourself though? Wow, excellent work. Of course its clever to hide the difficult bits with pixels but the skin tone is actually even.


Yeah, I did it myself. I'm just that much of a pervert.


I had an unpixelated version, but I was afraid I would have gotten banned if I posted it.
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Shesgotclaws
06/12/2011 01:52 AM (UTC)
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Lol well you should have kept your mouth shut and you could have seen me unpixelated.
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kingjolly
06/12/2011 01:53 AM (UTC)
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Shesgotclaws Wrote:
Lol well you should have kept your mouth shut and you could have seen me unpixelated.


God damn it...
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FlamingTP
06/12/2011 06:24 AM (UTC)
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kingjolly Wrote:
Shesgotclaws Wrote:
Lol well you should have kept your mouth shut and you could have seen me unpixelated.


God damn it...


^hes broken the man code.
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foahchon
06/12/2011 07:06 AM (UTC)
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I don't know how anyone who put any careful thought into it could've expected anything other than what we got with DNF: a half-finished game, containing mostly decade-old content, that 2K some considerable amount of time later put in a box and stuck on store shelves. That's not to say the game is excused from its flaws, but I get the impression from reading some of the reviews that people were expecting more. Why?

All that said, I still plan on buying the game at some point, because of my affinity for the character and the series, but I think I'm going to wait for a price drop, both because I don't think 2K deserves full price for a half-hearted effort, and because the game itself is unfinished.
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FlamingTP
06/12/2011 08:07 AM (UTC)
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foahchon Wrote:
I don't know how anyone who put any careful thought into it could've expected anything other than what we got with DNF: a half-finished game, containing mostly decade-old content, that 2K some considerable amount of time later put in a box and stuck on store shelves. That's not to say the game is excused from its flaws, but I get the impression from reading some of the reviews that people were expecting more. Why?

All that said, I still plan on buying the game at some point, because of my affinity for the character and the series, but I think I'm going to wait for a price drop, both because I don't think 2K deserves full price for a half-hearted effort, and because the game itself is unfinished.


Its not 2k, they just funded 3D Realms, personally I'm buying it to improve their investment. even if it sells CoD Numbers they still wont break even. 3DR fucked them with lazyness and buying the game is the least I can do. mostly I'm doing it for the little statue of duke you get with the collectors edition. if it weren't for that mantle worthy awesomeness I wouldn't bother getting it.
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06/12/2011 09:37 AM (UTC)
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Shesgotclaws Wrote:
kingjolly Wrote:
Shesgotclaws Wrote:
I just couldn't believe the hype over this game, the expectations to push boundaries.
I actually had a bet on another forum with a Guy that swore Duke Forever would have full frontal nudity. If it did I'd post myself full frontal.


I'll take on the bet. This is apparently one of the stripper's you encounter in the game:



You can always pm me those images wink


Uh oh.
Surely that's a Photoshop? No way is that in game.


It. Is.



Walkthrough finished with it. Looked like utter shit, but easily a tolerable 6 hour excursion. The game does have some epic moments, and surpisingly it is pretty damn dark:


Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
the Holsom Twins annoying as they may be get abducted and Duke is too late to save them. The cocooned women unlike 3D HAVE to be killed unless you want a good deal of aliens on your ass.

The president of the US is a jackass who tries to negotiate with the Cycloid Emperor. Duke is blamed for the invasion, at least not publicly. General Graves, ironically the second man in command of the army is the only sane man and orders retaliation.

You will surf a decapitated Assault captain in the air between organic spiral growths that engulf a skyscraper. Epic.

There is a new boss called the Octaking. A giant Octabrain.

You blow up the Hoover dam.

Then you fight the new Cycloid Emperor, andf holy f... is it epic. Fighters circlestrafe you, and the motherfucker has alot more weaponry on it this time. And this time you piss in its eyesocket.

Then Duke gets Nuked.

Then Duke quips after the satellite lists him as KIA that the ending is lameass. Cue Duke making a public speech and running for President.






All in all, one shot game, definitely true to the Duke Nukem character and more, has some truly nifty scenes. Alas, 4 year old gameplay, graphics downgrades (some stuff are definitely low res) and stock content pull this game down heavily.


Mind you, again, this is not bad, just utterly mediocre. And yes, there were high expectations, but honestly this is the first Duke game that does not deliver. After the history of DNF I think it is forgivable, because there is no other hero machismo and charismatic enough to take his place.

Not unless they remake Shadow Warrior and Blood. Serious Sam has the problem of being an exact clone of Duke, but I am willing to give chances to him.
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Shesgotclaws
06/13/2011 07:51 AM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
Shesgotclaws Wrote:
kingjolly Wrote:
Shesgotclaws Wrote:
I just couldn't believe the hype over this game, the expectations to push boundaries.
I actually had a bet on another forum with a Guy that swore Duke Forever would have full frontal nudity. If it did I'd post myself full frontal.


I'll take on the bet. This is apparently one of the stripper's you encounter in the game:



You can always pm me those images wink


Uh oh.
Surely that's a Photoshop? No way is that in game.


It. Is.



Walkthrough finished with it. Looked like utter shit, but easily a tolerable 6 hour excursion. The game does have some epic moments, and surpisingly it is pretty damn dark:


Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
the Holsom Twins annoying as they may be get abducted and Duke is too late to save them. The cocooned women unlike 3D HAVE to be killed unless you want a good deal of aliens on your ass.

The president of the US is a jackass who tries to negotiate with the Cycloid Emperor. Duke is blamed for the invasion, at least not publicly. General Graves, ironically the second man in command of the army is the only sane man and orders retaliation.

You will surf a decapitated Assault captain in the air between organic spiral growths that engulf a skyscraper. Epic.

There is a new boss called the Octaking. A giant Octabrain.

You blow up the Hoover dam.

Then you fight the new Cycloid Emperor, andf holy f... is it epic. Fighters circlestrafe you, and the motherfucker has alot more weaponry on it this time. And this time you piss in its eyesocket.

Then Duke gets Nuked.

Then Duke quips after the satellite lists him as KIA that the ending is lameass. Cue Duke making a public speech and running for President.






All in all, one shot game, definitely true to the Duke Nukem character and more, has some truly nifty scenes. Alas, 4 year old gameplay, graphics downgrades (some stuff are definitely low res) and stock content pull this game down heavily.


Mind you, again, this is not bad, just utterly mediocre. And yes, there were high expectations, but honestly this is the first Duke game that does not deliver. After the history of DNF I think it is forgivable, because there is no other hero machismo and charismatic enough to take his place.

Not unless they remake Shadow Warrior and Blood. Serious Sam has the problem of being an exact clone of Duke, but I am willing to give chances to him.


Kinda what I expected really, for it to be fun but severely dated, and it could never live up to the expectations. I also laughed at all the people who swore blind that it was 20+ hours long, ridiculous.

Shame about the no naked chicks though, I'm against censorship in virtually every sense.
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kingjolly
06/13/2011 08:19 AM (UTC)
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The game does indeed have boobies....

but I havent seen pics of vagina though. Boobs are enough imo.
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06/13/2011 04:04 PM (UTC)
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So... Apparently there's gonna be DLC (as The First Access club members get the first multiplayer DLC for free)

That's all I've got to say
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FlamingTP
06/13/2011 08:28 PM (UTC)
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Jironobou Wrote:
So... Apparently there's gonna be DLC (as The First Access club members get the first multiplayer DLC for free)

That's all I've got to say


I'm a club member but $5 says the multiplayer is going to be ubergay anyway.
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(Erik)
06/13/2011 09:11 PM (UTC)
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The best thing about this thread was almost seeing ShesGotClaws.
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06/13/2011 09:45 PM (UTC)
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History repeats itself.

Duke 3D was upped by Quake within months, essentially making 3D action and FPS games viable and possible. Technologically, the 2.5D FPS games were immediately outclassed.


The problem why DNF cannot be argued this way is that Quake had zero interactivity, now, the competition has everything Duke has and often does it better, humour notwithstanding.


It would have blown my mind if for example Id Software would have been the ones to finish DNF. That would have invalidated all other gaming, essentially creating the perfect entertainment vessel. Small jokes aside, we will have to wait untill Doom 4 to see wether the FPS genre can do better with the classic run and gun formula instead of reusing World War or MoH,CoD, and limiting us to hyperreality without humour.


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FlamingTP
06/13/2011 11:55 PM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
History repeats itself.

Duke 3D was upped by Quake within months, essentially making 3D action and FPS games viable and possible. Technologically, the 2.5D FPS games were immediately outclassed.


The problem why DNF cannot be argued this way is that Quake had zero interactivity, now, the competition has everything Duke has and often does it better, humour notwithstanding.


It would have blown my mind if for example Id Software would have been the ones to finish DNF. That would have invalidated all other gaming, essentially creating the perfect entertainment vessel. Small jokes aside, we will have to wait untill Doom 4 to see wether the FPS genre can do better with the classic run and gun formula instead of reusing World War or MoH,CoD, and limiting us to hyperreality without humour.




Doom 3 wasn't the run and gun doom that was past gold either. If doom 4 is a modernized clone of Doom 2 with modern features and proper interactivity. I'd play it for decades.
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