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Riyakou Wrote:
This is the part that caught my attention.
The thing that gets me with this is that people make this very statement as if it is impossible to live on different terms. No, I am not shooting down your lifestyle, but I am shooting down the presenting of it, as if it isn't a choice.
I grew up in an environment where gun shots were heard like chirping birds, yet I never had to fire a bullet to avoid one. The police station was literally a few blocks from where I lived, and they never came for anything until it was too late. Everyone's lives were in constant jeaporady, but we didn't solve the issue with weapons. We solved it by becoming one big stupid family. All the adults took care of every kid, and all the kids looked out for each other like siblings. We could have got ourselves some guns and fought back against every body of criminals that walked our streets, but we didn't. We saved the neighborhood with bonding, and now the area is safer than ever.
In all actuality coltess, you chose to continue living in a rural area, and you chose to use a gun to deal with certain issues. You are allowed to have that choice, but please do not act as if it is the only way, even in the rural areas, because it isn't. I've lived in rural areas myself, both in Georgia and Texas. I've seen some pretty crazy shit. I myself was even held at gunpoint, at the age of fifteen, by the brother of my mother's landlord. And in that area, the nearest police station was almost a town away. Still, I chose a route that didn't include using a gun.
You never needed a gun, you just decided to have one. Again, I'm not shooting down your lifestyle. I happen to have quite a few close friends who are proud gun owners, and I've had this same talk with most of them. Nevertheless, know that it is an option to have a gun, not an ultimatum. And know that a gun is not the only solution to a violent situation. There is always a way around violence. My existence is proof.
Again, for the sake of remaining on good terms, I would like to clarify that I am not shooting down your lifestyle. Despite my strong feelings towards guns, I still very much understand people do have the right to have one, even though I think that's really stupid. lol
coltess Wrote:
...Guns are a way of life where I come from; police, mace, rape whistles- ineffective when you're so far from help. Guns make life better and safer for folks like me...
...Guns are a way of life where I come from; police, mace, rape whistles- ineffective when you're so far from help. Guns make life better and safer for folks like me...
This is the part that caught my attention.
The thing that gets me with this is that people make this very statement as if it is impossible to live on different terms. No, I am not shooting down your lifestyle, but I am shooting down the presenting of it, as if it isn't a choice.
I grew up in an environment where gun shots were heard like chirping birds, yet I never had to fire a bullet to avoid one. The police station was literally a few blocks from where I lived, and they never came for anything until it was too late. Everyone's lives were in constant jeaporady, but we didn't solve the issue with weapons. We solved it by becoming one big stupid family. All the adults took care of every kid, and all the kids looked out for each other like siblings. We could have got ourselves some guns and fought back against every body of criminals that walked our streets, but we didn't. We saved the neighborhood with bonding, and now the area is safer than ever.
In all actuality coltess, you chose to continue living in a rural area, and you chose to use a gun to deal with certain issues. You are allowed to have that choice, but please do not act as if it is the only way, even in the rural areas, because it isn't. I've lived in rural areas myself, both in Georgia and Texas. I've seen some pretty crazy shit. I myself was even held at gunpoint, at the age of fifteen, by the brother of my mother's landlord. And in that area, the nearest police station was almost a town away. Still, I chose a route that didn't include using a gun.
You never needed a gun, you just decided to have one. Again, I'm not shooting down your lifestyle. I happen to have quite a few close friends who are proud gun owners, and I've had this same talk with most of them. Nevertheless, know that it is an option to have a gun, not an ultimatum. And know that a gun is not the only solution to a violent situation. There is always a way around violence. My existence is proof.
Again, for the sake of remaining on good terms, I would like to clarify that I am not shooting down your lifestyle. Despite my strong feelings towards guns, I still very much understand people do have the right to have one, even though I think that's really stupid. lol
I was born in a rural community, I grew up in a rural community, and I choose to defend my home. Having lived in an urban environment, I can honestly say that despite the problems I had growing up, It's a far better place than any urban environment. Urban settings have come to disgust me- the filth, the violence, the hypocrisy, and worst of all the self-righteousness. That city dwellers, particularly Easterners, look down on people far better than they because those people practice a lifestyle that requires them to protect themselves.
Now you said I chose to arm myself. That there were "other options"
Now you tell me right now what those options are! For a poor family that couldn't afford to move, what do you do? When there are rattlesnakes that sleep on your porch and you've got to get 3 kids to school in the morning, what do you do? when you've got animals that you love that are preyed upon by coyotes, what do you do? When you've got working men out in the woods that draw the attention of cougars, what do you do? When you're scarping a living off of cattle and wolves are eating your profits, what do you do? Or when you're an old lady who is being robbed and threatened by teenagers in a ranch 40 miles from the county police station, what do you do?
Don't ever fucking tell me that out here people don't need a gun. I've had rattlesnake brains splattered all over my pants twice because I have brothers that were smart enough to act while. Have you ever froze and stared at an animal that could very well kill you? The shear terror of knowing that you are a half a day from home and then an hours drive to the nearest hospital? I doubt it. Or how about knowing that there are animals out there that could spread an infectious disease to your pets? I've had put down rabid animals to protect me and mine. All of this and I don't like killing.
I had no choice but to enter a life like this; I was born into it. The only reason I'm in college and not in the woods with my cousins is because my father died. But my heart does not belong to this...place, it's back home. A place that feels far nobler, far cleaner, and far more modest.
I want you to go to Weippe, Idaho and tell the ranchers there that they don't need a gun to protect their cattle from wolves.
I want you to go up to a ranger on the Clearwater Nation forest and tell him or her that she doesn't need a firearm.
I want you to go up to that Doctor from New York, whom I sold my father's house to after he passed and tell him that he doesn't need a gun to deal with the Wildlife. That fellow didn't want to buy a gun either, but the next time I had a check-up boy was he eager to show me pictures of his new 30.30 and the rattles he had collected.
That doctor, along with everyone else listed above would laugh in your face if you told them that they didn't need to own a firearm.
coltess Wrote:
I was born in a rural community, I grew up in a rural community, and I choose to defend my home. Having lived in an urban environment, I can honestly say that despite the problems I had growing up, It's a far better place than any urban environment. Urban settings have come to disgust me- the filth, the violence, the hypocrisy, and worst of all the self-righteousness. That city dwellers, particularly Easterners, look down on people far better than they because those people practice a lifestyle that requires them to protect themselves.
Now you said I chose to arm myself. That there were "other options"
Now you tell me right now what those options are! For a poor family that couldn't afford to move, what do you do? When there are rattlesnakes that sleep on your porch and you've got to get 3 kids to school in the morning, what do you do? when you've got animals that you love that are preyed upon by coyotes, what do you do? When you've got working men out in the woods that draw the attention of cougars, what do you do? When you're scarping a living off of cattle and wolves are eating your profits, what do you do? Or when you're an old lady who is being robbed and threatened by teenagers in a ranch 40 miles from the county police station, what do you do?
Don't ever fucking tell me that out here people don't need a gun. I've had rattlesnake brains splattered all over my pants twice because I have brothers that were smart enough to act while. Have you ever froze and stared at an animal that could very well kill you? The shear terror of knowing that you are a half a day from home and then an hours drive to the nearest hospital? I doubt it. Or how about knowing that there are animals out there that could spread an infectious disease to your pets? I've had put down rabid animals to protect me and mine. All of this and I don't like killing.
I had no choice but to enter a life like this; I was born into it. The only reason I'm in college and not in the woods with my cousins is because my father died. But my heart does not belong to this...place, it's back home. A place that feels far nobler, far cleaner, and far more modest.
I want you to go to Weippe, Idaho and tell the ranchers there that they don't need a gun to protect their cattle from wolves.
I want you to go up to a ranger on the Clearwater Nation forest and tell him or her that she doesn't need a firearm.
I want you to go up to that Doctor from New York, whom I sold my father's house to after he passed and tell him that he doesn't need a gun to deal with the Wildlife. That fellow didn't want to buy a gun either, but the next time I had a check-up boy was he eager to show me pictures of his new 30.30 and the rattles he had collected.
That doctor, along with everyone else listed above would laugh in your face if you told them that they didn't need to own a firearm.
I was born in a rural community, I grew up in a rural community, and I choose to defend my home. Having lived in an urban environment, I can honestly say that despite the problems I had growing up, It's a far better place than any urban environment. Urban settings have come to disgust me- the filth, the violence, the hypocrisy, and worst of all the self-righteousness. That city dwellers, particularly Easterners, look down on people far better than they because those people practice a lifestyle that requires them to protect themselves.
Now you said I chose to arm myself. That there were "other options"
Now you tell me right now what those options are! For a poor family that couldn't afford to move, what do you do? When there are rattlesnakes that sleep on your porch and you've got to get 3 kids to school in the morning, what do you do? when you've got animals that you love that are preyed upon by coyotes, what do you do? When you've got working men out in the woods that draw the attention of cougars, what do you do? When you're scarping a living off of cattle and wolves are eating your profits, what do you do? Or when you're an old lady who is being robbed and threatened by teenagers in a ranch 40 miles from the county police station, what do you do?
Don't ever fucking tell me that out here people don't need a gun. I've had rattlesnake brains splattered all over my pants twice because I have brothers that were smart enough to act while. Have you ever froze and stared at an animal that could very well kill you? The shear terror of knowing that you are a half a day from home and then an hours drive to the nearest hospital? I doubt it. Or how about knowing that there are animals out there that could spread an infectious disease to your pets? I've had put down rabid animals to protect me and mine. All of this and I don't like killing.
I had no choice but to enter a life like this; I was born into it. The only reason I'm in college and not in the woods with my cousins is because my father died. But my heart does not belong to this...place, it's back home. A place that feels far nobler, far cleaner, and far more modest.
I want you to go to Weippe, Idaho and tell the ranchers there that they don't need a gun to protect their cattle from wolves.
I want you to go up to a ranger on the Clearwater Nation forest and tell him or her that she doesn't need a firearm.
I want you to go up to that Doctor from New York, whom I sold my father's house to after he passed and tell him that he doesn't need a gun to deal with the Wildlife. That fellow didn't want to buy a gun either, but the next time I had a check-up boy was he eager to show me pictures of his new 30.30 and the rattles he had collected.
That doctor, along with everyone else listed above would laugh in your face if you told them that they didn't need to own a firearm.
One thing I can't stand when it comes to guns is when people say they need them to protect themselves from wildlife.
As if they are the problem.
We humans destroyed their homes and took their environments so that we could expand. And yet you want to kill them because they don't want you there. That is definitely one of the most selfish and disgusting things I have ever heard.
Those animals did nothing other than lose their homes to the houses we live in. If anyone deserves to get killed, it's us.
I love my city of Chicago, but I know what had to happen for it to exist. That is why I do my best to not bother wildlife. They are the victims, not us. That is like saying the Native Americans don't have the right to reclaim their land. You, sir, are a real piece of work.
The fact that you are willing to kill those wild animals rather than find a way to live beyond their remaining territories only further proves that you chose that life. Even worse, you tried to justify your actions, as if you couldn't just leave them alone. I've dealt with snakes, deer, wild dogs, and many other creatures, and I've never killed a single one. I knew where I lived was once their grounds.
The mere fact that you want to live in areas where wildlife still exist and kill those wildlife just so you can, has made me lose a great deal of respect for you. We already took the majority of their lands, but you want to keep taking. You are selfish, greedy, and inconsiderate, and you won't even admit it. You are just like the urbanites that look down on you.
You can say whatever you want now. Nothing you say on this subject will have any value to me.
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coltess Wrote:
People often had guns in their vehicles when I was in high school. The would go out to try and bag a deer at around five, hunt for 3 hours, and come to class.
People often had guns in their vehicles when I was in high school. The would go out to try and bag a deer at around five, hunt for 3 hours, and come to class.
yea well that was then this is now and that is what people have to realize.
Riyakou Wrote:
One thing I can't stand when it comes to guns is when people say they need them to protect themselves from wildlife.
As if they are the problem.
We humans destroyed their homes and took their environments so that we could expand. And yet you want to kill them because they don't want you there. That is definitely one of the most selfish and disgusting things I have ever heard.
Those animals did nothing other than lose their homes to the houses we live in. If anyone deserves to get killed, it's us.
I love my city of Chicago, but I know what had to happen for it to exist. That is why I do my best to not bother wildlife. They are the victims, not us. That is like saying the Native Americans don't have the right to reclaim their land. You, sir, are a real piece of work.
The fact that you are willing to kill those wild animals rather than find a way to live beyond their remaining territories only further proves that you chose that life. Even worse, you tried to justify your actions, as if you couldn't just leave them alone. I've dealt with snakes, deer, wild dogs, and many other creatures, and I've never killed a single one. I knew where I lived was once their grounds.
The mere fact that you want to live in areas where wildlife still exist and kill those wildlife just so you can, has made me lose a great deal of respect for you. We already took the majority of their lands, but you want to keep taking. You are selfish, greedy, and inconsiderate, and you won't even admit it. You are just like the urbanites that look down on you.
You can say whatever you want now. Nothing you say on this subject will have any value to me.
coltess Wrote:
I was born in a rural community, I grew up in a rural community, and I choose to defend my home. Having lived in an urban environment, I can honestly say that despite the problems I had growing up, It's a far better place than any urban environment. Urban settings have come to disgust me- the filth, the violence, the hypocrisy, and worst of all the self-righteousness. That city dwellers, particularly Easterners, look down on people far better than they because those people practice a lifestyle that requires them to protect themselves.
Now you said I chose to arm myself. That there were "other options"
Now you tell me right now what those options are! For a poor family that couldn't afford to move, what do you do? When there are rattlesnakes that sleep on your porch and you've got to get 3 kids to school in the morning, what do you do? when you've got animals that you love that are preyed upon by coyotes, what do you do? When you've got working men out in the woods that draw the attention of cougars, what do you do? When you're scarping a living off of cattle and wolves are eating your profits, what do you do? Or when you're an old lady who is being robbed and threatened by teenagers in a ranch 40 miles from the county police station, what do you do?
Don't ever fucking tell me that out here people don't need a gun. I've had rattlesnake brains splattered all over my pants twice because I have brothers that were smart enough to act while. Have you ever froze and stared at an animal that could very well kill you? The shear terror of knowing that you are a half a day from home and then an hours drive to the nearest hospital? I doubt it. Or how about knowing that there are animals out there that could spread an infectious disease to your pets? I've had put down rabid animals to protect me and mine. All of this and I don't like killing.
I had no choice but to enter a life like this; I was born into it. The only reason I'm in college and not in the woods with my cousins is because my father died. But my heart does not belong to this...place, it's back home. A place that feels far nobler, far cleaner, and far more modest.
I want you to go to Weippe, Idaho and tell the ranchers there that they don't need a gun to protect their cattle from wolves.
I want you to go up to a ranger on the Clearwater Nation forest and tell him or her that she doesn't need a firearm.
I want you to go up to that Doctor from New York, whom I sold my father's house to after he passed and tell him that he doesn't need a gun to deal with the Wildlife. That fellow didn't want to buy a gun either, but the next time I had a check-up boy was he eager to show me pictures of his new 30.30 and the rattles he had collected.
That doctor, along with everyone else listed above would laugh in your face if you told them that they didn't need to own a firearm.
I was born in a rural community, I grew up in a rural community, and I choose to defend my home. Having lived in an urban environment, I can honestly say that despite the problems I had growing up, It's a far better place than any urban environment. Urban settings have come to disgust me- the filth, the violence, the hypocrisy, and worst of all the self-righteousness. That city dwellers, particularly Easterners, look down on people far better than they because those people practice a lifestyle that requires them to protect themselves.
Now you said I chose to arm myself. That there were "other options"
Now you tell me right now what those options are! For a poor family that couldn't afford to move, what do you do? When there are rattlesnakes that sleep on your porch and you've got to get 3 kids to school in the morning, what do you do? when you've got animals that you love that are preyed upon by coyotes, what do you do? When you've got working men out in the woods that draw the attention of cougars, what do you do? When you're scarping a living off of cattle and wolves are eating your profits, what do you do? Or when you're an old lady who is being robbed and threatened by teenagers in a ranch 40 miles from the county police station, what do you do?
Don't ever fucking tell me that out here people don't need a gun. I've had rattlesnake brains splattered all over my pants twice because I have brothers that were smart enough to act while. Have you ever froze and stared at an animal that could very well kill you? The shear terror of knowing that you are a half a day from home and then an hours drive to the nearest hospital? I doubt it. Or how about knowing that there are animals out there that could spread an infectious disease to your pets? I've had put down rabid animals to protect me and mine. All of this and I don't like killing.
I had no choice but to enter a life like this; I was born into it. The only reason I'm in college and not in the woods with my cousins is because my father died. But my heart does not belong to this...place, it's back home. A place that feels far nobler, far cleaner, and far more modest.
I want you to go to Weippe, Idaho and tell the ranchers there that they don't need a gun to protect their cattle from wolves.
I want you to go up to a ranger on the Clearwater Nation forest and tell him or her that she doesn't need a firearm.
I want you to go up to that Doctor from New York, whom I sold my father's house to after he passed and tell him that he doesn't need a gun to deal with the Wildlife. That fellow didn't want to buy a gun either, but the next time I had a check-up boy was he eager to show me pictures of his new 30.30 and the rattles he had collected.
That doctor, along with everyone else listed above would laugh in your face if you told them that they didn't need to own a firearm.
One thing I can't stand when it comes to guns is when people say they need them to protect themselves from wildlife.
As if they are the problem.
We humans destroyed their homes and took their environments so that we could expand. And yet you want to kill them because they don't want you there. That is definitely one of the most selfish and disgusting things I have ever heard.
Those animals did nothing other than lose their homes to the houses we live in. If anyone deserves to get killed, it's us.
I love my city of Chicago, but I know what had to happen for it to exist. That is why I do my best to not bother wildlife. They are the victims, not us. That is like saying the Native Americans don't have the right to reclaim their land. You, sir, are a real piece of work.
The fact that you are willing to kill those wild animals rather than find a way to live beyond their remaining territories only further proves that you chose that life. Even worse, you tried to justify your actions, as if you couldn't just leave them alone. I've dealt with snakes, deer, wild dogs, and many other creatures, and I've never killed a single one. I knew where I lived was once their grounds.
The mere fact that you want to live in areas where wildlife still exist and kill those wildlife just so you can, has made me lose a great deal of respect for you. We already took the majority of their lands, but you want to keep taking. You are selfish, greedy, and inconsiderate, and you won't even admit it. You are just like the urbanites that look down on you.
You can say whatever you want now. Nothing you say on this subject will have any value to me.
Funny you brought Indians into this, because I spent my entire life (up until now) living on the Nez Perce Indian Reservation. Where they intelligently sold the majority of their land once the resources were found. Which brings me to my next point.
Why do I live in Idaho? Why I was born in Idaho? Why did poor immigrant great-great-grandparents come here? Three words-
Gold
Silver
Timber
Ranchers followed once there was a market for meat.
My family dabbled in it all, but Timber is what kept us alive. As a boy, I often scurried underfoot in logging sites as my dad hauled off my grandfather's and uncle's cuts.The smell of sap, diesel, grease, and cedar wafting through the air; any time I smell cedar it makes me nostalgic.
People hate me. They hate my family. They hate their business. Yet they still use toilet paper, they still eat take-out from paper bags and cardboard boxes, they buy ornate armoires and live in wooden houses.
You sit in and live your happy little lives in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Atlanta, Miami, Boston, and you pity wittle cougar who was killed by the mean wogger, who was being stalked by the cougar. But of course, as you sit on your couch, which no doubt contains standard plywood, you can't help but be disgusted be the evil timberman who comes to take away the forest.
I've dealt with people like you before; you're ignorant of how life outside your little world truly works. You demand the great amenities of 21st century life, yet when it comes to producing them you object to it.
Furthermore, you ask us to submit to the desires of wildlife. Cougars which will stalk human beings. Wolves which can decimate herds of cattle and flocks of sheep. As well as rabid animals which spread disease to pets, livestock, and humans.
You've probably never seen a rabid animal, have you? Rolling on the ground, screeching, frothing at the mouth and shaking it's head. I've killed rabid animals before; I put them out of their misery and I protected my pets and family.
You've probably never stood a foot from a rattle snake. Froze in fear of death; that if you move in just slightest way this animal may take your life.
You've probably never seen a wild wolf and beheld it's awesome size. Or seen first hand the carnage of a wolf attack on cattle. You see, wolves, they aren't like cats- cougars and tiger- wolves don't go for the juggular and they don't break the neck. Wolves go for the meat- the hind quarter- and they work their way up while the animal is still alive.
People like you, you think you know nature. You read, you watch documentaries, you go to zoos, and you think you have a perfect view of how the world aught to be, and that there is no comprehensible reason why a human being should have to kill.
The Sierra Club...
Those fuckers. Just like you. Full of urbanites who wish to atone for their luxurious lifestyles; never once experiencing true nature, they go on a crusade. A crusade against hunters, a crusade to protect non-indigenous wolves, a crusade to shut down logging camps. Then, when deer populations drop they turn a blind eye to the invasive Canadian wolves and blame hunters. When the overcrowded forests catch fire (as nature intends) they blame people for carelessness. When the overcrowded forest suffers a bark beetle epidemic which leaves thousands of acres destroyed (as nature intended) then they blame the Forest Service for not properly caring for the trees. But, of course, to cure forest overcrowding you must remove trees! Well who better than logging companies? But no, once the loggers come in the Sierra club brings in their attorneys, because those are public lands and they don't want loggers on the people's land.
Fools like you think we've invaded nature, but we haven't. We cohabitate with nature. Some animals die, some don't. We're not poachers (except Indains who have the right to kill whenever and as many of whatever they like), we're not clearcutting the entire forest, we're not building metropolises where once stood old growth timber, we're surviving and protecting our home.
If it's greedy to not want to lost thousands of dollars worth of cattle, to not want to be hunted at work by curious cougars, to not want to die on your own porch, to not want your pets and family in danger from diseased animals, to not want to be terrorized by gas thieves, and just to live a secure life then damn it I'm greedy.
You are fool for expecting mankind to stand still or regress and an even bigger fool for opening your mouth where you have no experience.
Spend one year in Pierce, Idaho and maybe you'll learn something, but for now you're spouting fallacies and pipe dreams.
TheGame100gunzAndClips Wrote:
yea well that was then this is now and that is what people have to realize.
coltess Wrote:
People often had guns in their vehicles when I was in high school. The would go out to try and bag a deer at around five, hunt for 3 hours, and come to class.
People often had guns in their vehicles when I was in high school. The would go out to try and bag a deer at around five, hunt for 3 hours, and come to class.
yea well that was then this is now and that is what people have to realize.
I'm 19 years old; that was last year. I'm certain nothing's changed.
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