-The words 'Sega' and 'Nintendo' should not be uttered in a sentence when comparing quality of marketing and company future. Sega was at a low because they weren't moving Dreamcasts out of the warehouses fast enough. That and their quality in games went downhill after the skid in the Arcade market, as half of the acclaimed Sega/AM2 titles out there weren't very fun when ported from the Arcade to the DC.

Now Sega is forced to port four year old games from the Dreamcast onto all the current generation systems, usually downgrading the quality immensely. Crazy Taxi, anyone?

Nintendo has got the smarts to price their hardware low enough so gamers won't care when there's only 10 or so blockbuster titles a year.

Throughout the first half of the 90's, I was pretty much a Nintendo fanboy. I had owned every system ever made by Nintendo (the exception being that stupid Virtual Boy, which was their first system to fail miserably), all the way up to N64. However, before I got an N64, I got a PlayStation, which was my first game system made by a company other than Nintendo. As I approached my deep teenage years, I started to become very disappointed by Nintendo, for wasting all this money and time on delaying the system just to add a new peripheral port for the upcoming 64DD in both Japan and the US, only to turn around and release the 64DD only in Japan! Not to mention they STILL made cartridges instead of CD-ROMs like PlayStation, Sega Saturn, and other systems predating the N64. They clearly have not met the demands of the gaming industry with the N64, and they have not met the demands of those growing up with Nintendo's systems, either. Their primary target in marketing is the kids! And I didn't realize that they didn't give a damn about their old-school gamers who were already adults until I was about 15 or so.

I didn't get a GameCube because of the faith I had lost in Nintendo as a result of the N64. I still have no faith in Nintendo because of their gaming philosophy, which they still seem to hold onto. It's not as extreme as it was during the pre-MK era of the SNES, but I still don't agree with their philosophy.

Woo i for one loved sega games,I just think the dreamcast came out to early.But about nintendo,well I wouldnt mine if microsoft bought them out cause atleast one way or another mario will still be around even if microsoft doesnt buy.But yeah nintendo isnt really coming out with anything new in games.Just the same old stuff reused over and over.The Ds will be Nintendo's Dreamcast.Too early or too late.I feel bad for capcom with the RE series only being on the Gamecube.But if Nintendo does only make games that would be kinda weird seeing mario on the xbox 2 lol or ps3.

sonicherosfan1 Wrote: I feel bad for capcom with the RE series only being on the Gamecube.

You are the only person I've ever heard say that. The RE series (though great prior to the jump to Nintendo) has gotten phenomanally better on the Cube. Playing RE Remake and RE 0 made me almost never want to look at the older games, because they made them look primative. Even in the comparison of RE Outbreak for the PS2 to RE 0, the Cube title is STILL it's superior. The controls have gotten extremily smooth, the graphics are much sharper, and the series doesn't feel as campy anymore. And with the on coming RE4, I don't think anyone will feel sorry for either Capcom or Nintendo.

On a side note, I'm a bigger RE fanboy than I am of Nintendo (Just ask Ghaleon ). I've followed the series from the very begining, and the jump to the Cube has only improved the games.

what i was saying was i think the gamecube is dying out pretty fast here and that the RE series would have had a better fan base on the xbox or ps2 or both.But to note that I think RE should have stayed with sega where it all started on the Sega Saturn.

I agree with most of the posts here, but really you guys think that Nintendo relying on their portable systemas and RE is good, ]IMO for a company that had totally control over the market during the 80's and most part of the 90's that's friggin pathetic, in no way you can compare Nintendo from what it was before, as you ahve seen their evvolution has lead them ddown and down.

1) If the DS fails, Nintendo won't fall. It can go back to Game Boy Advance, because the DS doesn't hold the the GB and GBC CPU units. Nintendo planned ahead in case something like this is to happen.

2) Game Boy Advance has outsold any other next-gen system, and continues doing so.

Mk_FrEaK Wrote: I agree with most of the posts here, but really you guys think that Nintendo relying on their portable systemas and RE is good, ]IMO for a company that had totally control over the market during the 80's and most part of the 90's that's friggin pathetic, in no way you can compare Nintendo from what it was before, as you ahve seen their evvolution has lead them ddown and down.

Their portable system is MORE than enough for Nintendo. Even if their consoles die, they'll come out with a portable that can compete. And it will, in fact, do surprisingly well.

Nintendo didn't need to jump the gun with N64, because at the time of Playstation and Saturn's debut the SNES was still doing very well on the market. I own a Gamecube console and GBA system, and quite frankly I don't want anything else. Exclusive titles galore. I've played my GBA so much more than any console I've gotten my hands on.

It seems you don't want to face the fact that Nintendo is still thriving. The Gamecube wasn't a flop, and I don't see why people keep thinking that. The N64 wasn't either. The only system of Nintendo's that I remember that did very poorly was the Virtual Boy.

I don't think Nintendo will quit for quite a while. Nintendo has never been a system to depend on third-parties in the first place, and I think that it could survive entirely on its own with nothing but Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. But, as for the current state of the system... it's not suffering, guys. It's doing just as well as, if not better than, the X-Box. It's easily outsold it about a hundred times over in Japan, and it's going in and out of second and third with it here in the U.S. And, as for good Nintendo games in the near future, yes, RE4 will be one of the best games for the system. The new Zelda already has potential to be the best game ever conceived. But other, lesser known gems are heading to the system soon. Baten Kaitos, from the giants at Namco, and the developers from Xenosaga, Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy, etc., should be incredible. Second-Sight has great potential. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes will give DOOM 3 a run for its money. Of course, StarCraft: Ghost and other second and third-party games should be great, too. Nintendo's portable market, too, should keep it afloat, even with the PSP coming out. I just have a few problems with Nintendo and their policies.
1. I don't like their stand on online gaming.
2. I don't like their uniniative action in reacquiring games from Midway, EIDOS, and Rockstar.
3. Damn Pokemon to hell.
4. Their lack of RPGs.
5. Their over-emphasis on "GBA/GCN connectability"
Other than that, I'm fine with them. Nintendo has been and always will be the reinventors of the video game. While some will certainly fail (*cough* Virtual Boy *cough*), some are down-right inspired (*cough* DS *cough*), and I believe Nintendo's heading in the RIGHT direction, now. They have competition in two markets, now, and they'll do all they can to hold onto their spots. Besides, they had the best E3 this year, and I believe they trounced X-Box and PS2 with their presentations. PS2 can keep their Solid Snake, X-Box their Master Chief, and N-Gage their... um... whatever. Nintendo's still got the goods, as far as I'm concerned. Fatality.

Garlador Wrote: 3. Damn Pokemon to hell. 4. Their lack of RPGs. 5. Their over-emphasis on "GBA/GCN connectability"

Pokemon is one of their most popular franchises and is still a really hot seller, even for the older age group. Hell, I have the Ruby Version of the advanced series myself and find it really enjoyable.

Lack of RPGs isn't necessarily a bad case for Nintendo. Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem are all RPGs. Gamecube titles such as Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles and Tales of Symphonia more than make up for the lack of them.

I rather like the GCN/GBA connectivity, and its not stretched all that much. Some games that involve it even come included with a GBA/GCN link. My biggest problem, however, was the e-Reader. The e-Reader was one of the biggest mistakes Nintendo could make, as it involves TWO separate GBAs just to plug in cards for one game.

what i think that nintendo is lacking in their systemas are add-ons, like CD player, DVD player, and more Online options, as this features give aggregate value to the product itsel, as for Pokemon i really think it was one of the things that helped the GB (the old one) to make areally ahrd comeback, thus this is not the only thing Nintendo should rely on.

Mk_FrEaK Wrote: what i think that nintendo is lacking in their systemas are add-ons, like CD player, DVD player, and more Online options, as this features give aggregate value to the product itsel

As I said in my first post, Nintendo didn't think the addition of add-ons would bring in such a market. A Nintendo executive even commented on that it was a bad mistake on their part. I think the N5 will have these features in one way or another.

anubis177 Wrote: Nintendo needs to go third party like Sega.

My thoughts exacly. I also like nintendo, great memories but seriously lack of games since the N64.

Did anybody even fucking READ my post? God, get to know what you're talking about before you go spouting stuff like 'Nintendo needs to go 3rd party like Sega'.

Shin, why dont you go to your thread or link it here, i mean it's not a stupid idea, you have seen how Nintendo sinks without poaying attention to amture audiences, RE is jsut an example but they lack imagination.

Mk_FrEaK Wrote: Shin, why dont you go to your thread or link it here, i mean it's not a stupid idea, you have seen how Nintendo sinks without poaying attention to amture audiences, RE is jsut an example but they lack imagination.

One of the Nintendo executives said (I believe Miyamoto) "Once Nintendo goes third party, is when Nintendo will stop making games." They won't go third-party ANYTIME in the near future. If you want Nintendo to go third party, wait about 50 years.

Nintendo hasn't sunk at all. Where did you get that from? Resident Evil 4 may be exclusive to Gamecube, but Nintendo is all-ages oriented. They make games people of all ages can play. They've always done that, and will continue to do so. Nintendo won't be making a "Pokemon Bloodbath 20XX" game anytime soon.

Well CC, i'm not willing Nintendo to go 3rd Party, im a fanboy as well, but it's sad to go to a store and not finding any games that you like on the cube, their upcoming games are nothing but lame, except Metroid, Zelda and Paper Mario, which is a shame.. As for Shinokxz, i aint getting no ass kissing here.

This 'RE lacks imagination' has got my blood boiling. Have you even TOUCHED an RE game? Have you READ about RE4? ERGHGHDdfgsdfdhsk

Shinnokxz Wrote: This 'RE lacks imagination' has got my blood boiling. Have you even TOUCHED an RE game? Have you READ about RE4? ERGHGHDdfgsdfdhsk

Agreed. RE4 is the most creative and intuitive Resident Evil yet, and they've completely broken away from the previous story and are going into something brand new.

i think nintendos problem is that they are not creating masterpieces as they once did. Plus third party support lacks as a result of this too I think. Without Nintendo making their strong first party games, that makes them lose their whole appeal and makes less people buy the gamecube so third party support will diminish along with that. I love nintendo and hope they will be around for a long time to come but i want stronger first party games. Also some of the third party games ive wanted only come out for ps2 and xbox which makes me madder than a legless ethiopian watching a donut roll down a hill(Larry the Cable Guy).

Kintaro6980 Wrote: ....which makes me madder than a legless ethiopian watching a donut roll down a hill(Larry the Cable Guy).

LMAO!!! Git-R-Done!

Mk_FrEaK Wrote: they lack imagination.

wow that was more than likely the stupidest thing I've ever seen you write... I'm thinking you do not mean nintendo...

ok this generation of consoles Nintendo was the one that tried something new, as in the connectivity, brought out a brand new console from scratch, not an upgraded/downgraded console/gaming rig. they made it readily available for developers who in time of trouble use nintendo as the scapegoat to try and save themselves from the sometimes inevitable failure...(by the way if you do want mortal kombat, remember to write a friendly e-mail to viacom for saving that sweet midway ass from bankruptcy...)

No online, so what it is not profitable/not readily accessible and while it may be consumer friendly it still is a big requirement... in Japan online gaming exists in computers IF THAT and thats where Nintendos base of Operations is so thats why they have not...

in sales numbers Nintendo is doing healthily and would be doing better had sony brought about a console later, and that the idea of fixing is buying another console... I'm boycotting that by the way but Killzone is lookin mighty nice... MS sells shit in Asia even with oriental themed titles which is due to the fact MS is looked down upon in Japan for beign western...

titles not too innovative, not beautiful? have you played any first party titles...? EVERY NINTENDO BRAND PRODUCT OOZES WITH CREATIVITY!!! the DS will bring about a world of change with 72 titles in production for launch and > 150 developers on board... they have 3rd party support, Midway (the only worthwhile loss) left Nintendo before the price drop massive sales boost so shit on them... Nintendo has that midas touch that when developers work with them they bring about only the highest level of quality

kiddy image, lemme break it down for you... video games started in arcades and computers for kids from to their late teens, I can see a fucked up child for every Nintendo absent youth because violence is influenced by video games believe it or not, and having younger cousins I can see the thrilled responses whe they play Mario kart and I see that same thisthingisdisabled when a 25+ year old (wo)man plays it because it is timeless and it's meant to make people happy...

you can go ahead and alienate yourself from human presence by getting online and playing games geared to the 'older audience' then two months have passed and you'll ask yourself where did my social life go? the comparison to online gaming is simple... online gaming to multiplayer gaming, is similar to cybering and sex, there is no comparison...

SUMMARY: no Nintendo fine, play XBox/PS2/computer and let it be as it there wasnt title geared for an older audience because the fan base nintendo has now will more than likely not change as much as the fickle masses...

Nintendo still has it's big guns ready, I think they only made a bad move with the GC... they should have introduced online play FAR before they did...
Hoever, GC games are some of the best I've EVER played!!! Mario sunshine, Wind Waker, and Metroid Prime where some of the most beutifull looking games I've ever seen...
I think they are gonna do much better next time

It wouldn't be a terrible idea for Nintendo to go third-party, I don't think. I mean, I know they won't because they're too proud and quite pig-headed (not to mention delusional), which is reflected in their press releases where they snort and gloat about knowing everything concerning the wants of gamers.

First of all, people have shot themselves by choosing a GC and only a GC. Sure, there's a small trickle of exclusives, but at the same time they're being screwed out of a smorgasboard of third-party content.

Second of all, developers have shot themselves in the foot by giving exclusives to Nintendo. Now, while the GC is not exactly dead, to say it's flourishing or flying off the shelves is, well, wrong. And delusional. With such a smaller user base that's all-too-steadily growing, there's no one out there to buy those exclusives. Developers have expressed their disappointment by the GC-user-base's lack of growth more than once.

As for online, whatever excuse you can come up with to try and play down Nintendo's err is insufficient at most. Regardless of what's popular in Japan, people over here are not exactly getting sufficient online content, and that is what they want.

As for trying something new, Nintendo has come up with some kinda-interesting stuff, but it's use is far too isolated and it ultimately adds too little to the gaming experience in my personal opinion...other than that, they've been recycling series and characters, like they do every generation, but at least they make good games out of them, as tired as they are.

Anyway, let me say that I do like Nintendo, and their games. I grew up liking Mario (second to Sonic eventually), so I'm always gonna have a soft spot for 'em, but right now I think they do need to get their crap together, and soon.

Still Nintendo needs to get more 3rd party support next gen. Heck MK7 isn't even in the making yet Midway still said it will be already for PS3 and Xbox2 now. With out 3rd party support( at least for me) the is no reason to buy a system. In general more great games come from 3rd parties than 1st party games(at least to me). Again there is nothing wrong Nintendo mascot games but this a problem when the only "great" games coming out from Nintnedo's system is only mascot games.Yes is not all aboutquality but it is alot about the large range to pick from. Since theN64 andeven on gamecube the range of games to pick from have been verylimited on the GC compared to PS2 and Xbox, do to the fact that 3rd party support have been horrible on the last 2 Nintendo systems. Another thing is online. Nintendo seriously needs to go there. Both PS2 online adapter kitsand Xbox live kits have both sold 1 million each. Nintendo needs to look into that figure.

foahchon Wrote: First of all, people have shot themselves by choosing a GC and only a GC.

Unless they like Nintendo's 1st party games, which many people do. You can't get them elsewhere...

As for online, whatever excuse you can come up with to try and play down Nintendo's err is insufficient at most. Regardless of what's popular in Japan, people over here are not exactly getting sufficient online content, and that is what they want.

PS2 needs to get it together as well in this department. Their online department isn't even up to par with the Dreamcast's, and I keep seeing more and more titles that SHOULD have online support ship without it.

As for trying something new, Nintendo has come up with some kinda-interesting stuff, but it's use is far too isolated and it ultimately adds too little to the gaming experience in my personal opinion...other than that, they've been recycling series and characters, like they do every generation, but at least they make good games out of them, as tired as they are.

First of all, the entire industry is fueled by redundant titles, such as sequels and remakes. There are also too many "me too" titles out there. The catch is - not too many people wanna try somthing new and innovative. People seem to like what they're used to, hence the insane number of titles that play almost exactly like Devil May Cry.