I'm gonna give her the benifit of the doubt and say that has to be one of those rare time she doesn't look perfect.

And Blade-Tsung, I allowed you to have Stacey Kiebler but you can't call dibs on Eliza too. Plus you got Shannon Elizabeth too, so I'm going to take the liberty and calling Eliza MY baby. I stole her from You_Suck first anyway

there is absolutely a new born respect for Vampire, pun Intended... plus I have to say eventhough I've not seen the Moore documentary Ihave to say I saw his previous ones and I did like Bowling for Columbine but what everyone is missing here is that the war doesn't belong else were it starts here... balance our economy the way Clinton did leave him in office 4 more years and watch simple things like affirmative action plummet from this facist fucker...

Edit: double post

the way I see it,all should vote for the green party.Fight the man,and his horse,and his mum,his big fat mum.

Sorry I had to reviv this, but Some guy Made another thread of this........this is the original people!

PS Vote For Kerry!

Black_Dragon Wrote: Sorry I had to reviv this, but Some guy Made another thread of this........this is the original people! PS Vote For Kerry!

lol, but aint this called bumping.

Yup, It is

Black_Dragon Wrote: Sorry I had to reviv this, but Some guy Made another thread of this........this is the original people! PS Vote For Kerry!

That's why there's a new thread cause this one died! You just bumped an old thread biet on a subject that was discussed weeks ago. Please let's use the new one!


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But why Have 2 of these GD? Why?

Black_Dragon Wrote: But why Have 2 of these GD? Why?

Well since you bumped this thread we now have two. *laughs* Just request that this one be closed and go to the other one.


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Bush or Kerry? I adore to live in a country where we can choose between several governors... although some sucks so much as Bush >:o >:o >:o

If I were American, I know clearly to whom would vote...

Interesting Thoughts there Dude, Yeah I would choose Hillary CLinton over these Two Old Funny Looking Men any day...but If I had the chance...Bill Clinton would get my vote

Well, I am a yellow-dog Democrat(I'd rather vote for a yellow dog than a Republican), so my vote would definitely go to Kerry-Edwards. One of the biggest issues for me would be Bush's opposition to stem cell research. Although, it does dissapoint me Kerry isn't more anti-war.

And I do not like his pro-Israel stance either. However, I like the fact that he plans major overhauls in education, our edu. system is ****ed. Another thing is Bush wears his religion on his sleeve and I can't stand that crap, I'm an athiest.

And the fact that anyone on this thread sincerely believes the American government cares about 'liberating the Iraqi people'(especially considering our long history of support for murderous regimes, and our continued support of many of them) reminds me of just how pedestrian most people are.

From the words of David Letterman, "I'm gonna miss that guy"! Meaning Kerry in, Bush out.

Oh, and about Clinton and his blowjob, I really don't give a rat's ass. I don't care about a person's morals, it has nothing to do with their job, he was doing a great job as PRESIDENT. And quite frankely I don't care if he was having threesomes, shooting speed and drinking a fifth of whiskey everynight as long as he did a good job.

And the fact that the man kept up good relations with the world, got the crime rate steadily down and gave us the biggest economic boom in decades, and STILL found the time to get a blow job, earns him all the more respect from me.

Bush can put his 'morals' where the sun don't shine, you don't need morals, you need BRAINS.

Ummmmmmm, something everyone is missing is that it doesn't matter if you, just you, vote. The only reason people vote is:

1. because they actually think their one vote counts for shit
2. because if "i dont vote, no one else will" or something to that extent. just think about that.
2. they want to make a statement, whether conscious or unconscious, that they are republican/democrat/libertarian/etc or support the person they are voting for whatever reason/s.
3. because your "supposed" to vote

Unless you have organized this huge party that will vote for a certain person to become president, or donate hundreds of thousands/millions to the person you want to vote for, you're not doing anything but bullshitting around.

A quick math lesson will inform a person of the insanely extreme extreme statistical possibility that your one vote will actually be the deciding one that will make (insert person) president instead of (insert person).

I would just like to share a bit of information that may or may not influence who people support more.

The Taliban was created some decades ago, by the United States Government. In those days the MIddle East was getting really bad, and horribly bad. As always, when the US sees something that they think is wrong they step in. To combat the chaos that was going on at the time, the US went into the middle east, recruited children from orphanages, and armed and trained them to bring some order to the area. Osama bin Laden was even part of this project, to bring peace to the area. The Taliban was created to do good.

So what happened? The US didn't disarm them when their goal was met. They just pulled out. These are uneducated orphans left with guns. But the US didn't stick around to take the guns away, or give them education, we just pulled out. And that's where the trouble started. The US did not think about how their culture would mix and clash with this, they just came, meddled in the affair and left.

Thus these orphans went on to be tyrannts and to do the horrors that lead the the war against terror. The people that everyone saw celebrating on TV were not celebrating the fact that thousands of Americans died, they were celebrating because they had been so tormented by what the US had done to them.

I get this story from my teacher, who married a man from Pakistan and lived there, and moved back here when the Taliban started marching. So you can look at it like an interview sort of. But the point that my teacher pointed out was: It wasn't so much that the people of those areas hated Americans, but they hated American policies. They hated how American rules could let them pull out of some situation that they got into, and in this case, leave the people in a worse situation than they started.

So basically, by starting the Taliban, the US set up the very group that committed the terrorist attack on out country. And by fighting them, they are destroying the group that they had created, supposedly to right a wrong.

How much of this did the government look up, or chare with our nation before they began ranting about revenge?

Excellent point, NovaStarr. Why didn't we learn our lesson after WW1? After WW1 we left hell on a devastated Germany, and what happens? Hitler comes in, casts the Jews as a scapegoat, sends militaristic nationalism flying, and re-launches imperialism. Meanwhile the latter two are also occuring in Japan. So WW2 starts, the Allies win, and Truman knows we can't leave Germany and Japan to start up the same shitstorm they did last time. We staid involved, and turned (West) Germany and Japan into thriving global economic powers. But we quickly forgot the right way to do things, as NovaStarr illustrated regarding the Taliban. Osama loved us back in those days, just like we loved Saddam for trying to take over Soviet-backed Iran. Why didn't Reagan and co. get rid of Saddam when he used the chemical weapons we gave him to gas not only Iranian troops, but the Kurds living within his own borders? Shouldn't we have seen the signs of a latter-day mini-Hitler?

Oh, and going back to WW2, if we were trying to defeat a mass-murdering dictator, why did we ally ourselves with another one? Stalin had his goulags (slave labor camps for dissidents) set up in Siberia, he had political opponents murdered in droves; couldn't the US and the other allies have done something about this? If we had, maybe we could have avoided the Cold War, the Korean War, Vietnam, and the 45-year oppression of Easter Europe.

Today we are still allies with some terrible human rights violators: Saudi Arabia, for providing us oil; Uzbekistan, for potential deals regarding oil and natural gas pipelines; and China, for our trade partnership, which is, ironically, the very source of some of its greatest human rights violations (sweatshops that barely pay workers so products can be sold really cheap to US corporations). The bottom line is, WHEN WILL WE LEARN OUR FUCKING LESSON? When will we defend those who suffer and STOP human rights abuse rather than capitalize off it?

Returning to the original issue at hand, here's an interesting article I found: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4921.shtml
It points out that just as important as the question of whether or not Bush's actions as President were justified is the question of whether or not Bush is mentally capable of being President. And this isn't another "He stutters and stammers when he speaks, so he's too dumb to be President" arguments; evidence is mounting that Bush is psychologically unstable. After reading this article and others on the subject, I kinda feel sorry for the guy. He belongs in therapy, not the White House.

My goodness! Such a tough decision! I can't imagine a more stressful election than this one which is happening in the year of Our Lord 2004.

Reminisce about the 2004 election if you like, but make sure you start a new thread to talk about the current United States Presidential race.