Kony 2012
User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts14288
Likes2 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/07/2012 11:21 PM EST
After stumbling upon this thread and thinking there would be some good conversations about this, all I see is:

I don't want to watch the video.

You're an idiot for not watching the video.

Keep the thread civil.

I still don't want to watch the video.


For goodness sakes, if you're going to complain about the damn video length and still want your information, Google the information rather than complaining about some measly little thirty minutes.

But I will say this... Not to be rude... But I don't care about this issue. If it's not effecting where I live or my own country, I don't really care about it. And before someone runs a muck about my opinion, let me state it's my opinion. Kay? The guy is a total asshole and what he believes in really needs to have people raped and killed over it? Seriously? Dictators are assholes. Nuff' said.
User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts4467
Likes30 received
1 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/07/2012 11:29 PM EST
[Killswitch] Wrote:
Murcielago Wrote:
[Killswitch] Wrote:
blacksaibot Wrote:
Murcielago Wrote:
Hey blacksaibot, did you even know about this Joseph Kony until InvisibleChildren released that video yesterday? Probably not. If you did, you would have said something about it. Why now say something about it? If they really wanted us to help them catch this guy, they would have told the world long time ago. If they would have raised awareness a long time ago and over the years, I would have grown on it. But no, its just outta nowhere." Hey! People! This guy has killed thousands of people and we just NOW want you to be part of this" Fuck no.


You're pretty stupid. Of course I never heard of Joseph Kony until InvisibleChildren told me about him. That's the whole fucking point of this god damn video you idiot. To let people know. Were you born knowing about Hitler or did some one have to tell you?


What part of "keep this thread civil" do you not fucking understand?


I was waiting for that. Like using bait to lure a wild animal. Crickey.


That doesn't give you permission to start a fight. Don't do it again.


Yeah yeah I got it.


Get that ass BANNED

User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts4006
Likes63 received
57 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/07/2012 11:38 PM EST
so here's what I find wrong with this whole thing:

-It's giving people a really cheap way to pretend that they really care about stuff like this... in the form of a movie ticket.

-This has been going on for years, there have been numerous documentaries on the subject, and suddenly people care when this one goes viral.

-The Spamming... seriously, go onto YouTube and do the one thing no one advises you to do on YouTube= read the comments. Odds are one of the videos will have something saying "Kony 2012" or something similar... I actually found out about this watching the Marvel Avengers Assemble Trailer, because of the 5 pages of redundancy.


Old Signatures
~Vash_15,redman~

User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts14288
Likes2 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/07/2012 11:43 PM EST
Jironobou Wrote:
so here's what I find wrong with this whole thing:

-It's giving people a really cheap way to pretend that they really care about stuff like this... in the form of a movie ticket.

-This has been going on for years, there have been numerous documentaries on the subject, and suddenly people care when this one goes viral.

-The Spamming... seriously, go onto YouTube and do the one thing no one advises you to do on YouTube= read the comments. Odds are one of the videos will have something saying "Kony 2012" or something similar... I actually found out about this watching the Marvel Avengers Assemble Trailer, because of the 5 pages of redundancy.


It's pretty much the same in every case that has something that's been happening for quite some time and one bit of information goes public, soon everyone's involved and think they care...

It's like if the media was quiet about how Bin Loden got killed, saw numerous people stating, "This war has been going on for years and since one word was thrown out to the public that he's dead, you're all caring again. Watch, by tomorrow, you've pretty much forgot that he's dead."

It's always like that.
User Icon
  • CanadaCanada
Rank
Posts5695
Likes275 received
1345 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 12:08 AM EST
Or like when Whitney Houston died, suddenly everybody ran out to buy her music.

The Mexican drug cartels are a worthy local concern. They leave mass graves in the middle of the road. And people wonder why everyone is fleeing to America. Maybe if they felt safe at home there could be better migrant worker relations. Maybe the Americans can do some good here, maybe secure all that coke for proper medical use.



Ka-Tra

[Abhijit] [Ma'at] [Urcuchillay] [Zhi Nu] "Circling Vulture, Laughing Hyena"

True story, it happened to a friend of a friend of mine... EVERYBODY!

User Icon
Rank
Posts1233
Likes0 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 01:47 AM EST
Ya...from what I hear Invisible Children is full of shit.

Don't get me wrong here, the things going on in Uganda are horrible and all, but Invisible Children is not an organization to help IMHO. You guys should really take a look at the article above, its a pretty short, easy read. I commend them on bringing this kind of stuff to America's attention, but their support and contributions should really end there. These guys are simply shady as fuck.

And i find this whole movement really weird. I thought most people thought it was a bad idea for America to police the world. That shit didn't exactly go over well in Iraq. Why the sudden change of heart? Isn't this kinda the same thing, i.e unpopular dictator/rebel leader needs to be removed by America because his methods are so unpopular here? I'm sure a lot of people might counter with the fact that there is a lack of alternate motives in this case, but when is that notion EVER really true? Also, would America's actions potentially destabilize the region and make things worse? Like the article above says, Uganda's military (which is also pretty much a dictatorship) is not much better than Kony's rebels. They both use forced child soldiers. My impression is that the problems in Uganda wouldn't end by killing Kony (who may even already be dead and is already on the run) because Uganda's government is pretty fucked up to begin with. It sounds like America would have to try and set up democracy like we tried in Iraq and whether that is effective or not is certainly up for debate.

I also don't know how to feel about how this thing has become a trend. Like its cool now to support the Invisible Children and spread there message and down with Kony he's soooooo EVIL!! Peewee political activists can now click one button and "save" Africa. On one side that is really an effective way to spread a message, but at the same time it kind of degrades it as well. Like most of the people sharing this vid on my facebook (and believe me there are a lot) could not for the life of them point out Uganda on a map. I can't help but question the legitimacy of a cause when the supporters are so uninformed, the other side is simply not presented, and the call to action is a bit vague and unclear.



EDIT: Also, i didn't think of this while first writing my post, but why do people support Invisible Children when they support direct military intervention AGAINST an army of children. If IC got their way the conflict would inevitably end in MANY children casualties. So like i mentioned above, would American involvement merely make things worse?? Are there any other alternatives here? Can the child soldiers in Kony's army be reached through media also (this is probably a long shot i know)?



NINJA EDIT 2: And to the poster below me and the OP, and IC supporters in general i don't want to come off like im just bashing the IC cause. And i really hope i'm not just part of the backlash that seems to form in retaliation to almost all main stream media. My point is that something about all this just doesn't feel right to me and it worries me to see so many supporters of this thing on my facebook not asking similar questions. I am most definitely open to corrections or other peoples perspectives/insights on this stuff. I'm not out to prove people wrong or argue with anybody.
User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts4467
Likes30 received
1 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 02:16 AM EST
Spaceman Wrote:
Ya...from what I hear Invisible Children is full of shit.

Don't get me wrong here, the things going on in Uganda are horrible and all, but Invisible Children is not an organization to help IMHO. You guys should really take a look at the article above, its a pretty short, easy read. I commend them on bringing this kind of stuff to America's attention, but their support and contributions should really end there. These guys are simply shady as fuck.

And i find this whole movement really weird. I thought most people thought it was a bad idea for America to police the world. That shit didn't exactly go over well in Iraq. Why the sudden change of heart? Isn't this kinda the same thing, i.e unpopular dictator/rebel leader needs to be removed by America because his methods are so unpopular here? I'm sure a lot of people might counter with the fact that there is a lack of alternate motives in this case, but when is that notion EVER really true? Also, would America's actions potentially destabilize the region and make things worse? Like the article above says, Uganda's military (which is also pretty much a dictatorship) is not much better than Kony's rebels. They both use forced child soldiers. My impression is that the problems in Uganda wouldn't end by killing Kony (who may even already be dead and is already on the run) because Uganda's government is pretty fucked up to begin with. It sounds like America would have to try and set up democracy like we tried in Iraq and whether that is effective or not is certainly up for debate.

I also don't know how to feel about how this thing has become a trend. Like its cool now to support the Invisible Children and spread there message and down with Kony he's soooooo EVIL!! Peewee political activists can now click one button and "save" Africa. On one side that is really an effective way to spread a message, but at the same time it kind of degrades it as well. Like most of the people sharing this vid on my facebook (and believe me there are a lot) could not for the life of them point out Uganda on a map. I can't help but question the legitimacy of a cause when the supporters are so uninformed, the other side is simply not presented, and the call to action is a bit vague and unclear.


Yay! Good reason not to watch the video.


Get that ass BANNED

User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts1177
Likes0 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 03:01 AM EST
Jironobou Wrote:
so here's what I find wrong with this whole thing:

-It's giving people a really cheap way to pretend that they really care about stuff like this... in the form of a movie ticket.

-This has been going on for years, there have been numerous documentaries on the subject, and suddenly people care when this one goes viral.

-The Spamming... seriously, go onto YouTube and do the one thing no one advises you to do on YouTube= read the comments. Odds are one of the videos will have something saying "Kony 2012" or something similar... I actually found out about this watching the Marvel Avengers Assemble Trailer, because of the 5 pages of redundancy.


Sadly this is pretty much the way it is. Dont get me wrong, I think that it's great that people try and get others aware of global problems, but dont spam the hell out of this one thing. There are plenty of other global issues that go on that never get the attention either. Like Tetra_Vega said about the mexican cartel as an example, and the major drug trading that flows through North America. Half the countries in south america are in as much disaray as the ones in Africa. How about slave trading that occurs between European, Asian, and south american countries. Or female gential mutalation that happens in Africa. And so many more...

I'm just saying that if you are going to popuralize one global issue, you should at the bare minimum understand other ones. I hate the people that jump on the bandwagon because everyone else is "supporting" this and they have no idea what they are supporting.

So instead of Kony 2012, I say The Human Race 2012. At least that way we can work to recognize that there are more problems out there than this one. Recognize any dictators, injustices, genocides, ect. Start having people recognize the things really happening in the world today.

User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts1375
Likes4 received
4 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 06:50 AM EST
My first impression of the dude in the video was that he looked a bit off. A bit shady. Someone who would try to make money off of a massive injustice in some crap hole in Africa. Whether he Is or he isn't Kony still needs to be brought to justice. I completely understand that we have other issues closer to home such as Chapo Guzman and his drug trafficking that's getting many people on the Mexican border killed.

There are only a couple ways to solve this problem. US military intervention and the legalization and decriminilization of marijuana. Sure he will still be pushing coke, heroine, and meth in but I think his biggest seller is weed. It's no more harmful than alcohol or ciggarettes yet still can get you put in jail. It's complete BS. If our government truly wants to get out of debt they will legalize and tax weed. By keeping it banned we are just making Guzman all the more richer.

As for Kony... you have to start somewhere. Bring him to justice and move on to the next criminal. People don't want America to police the world but as soon as they see a child killing dictator we are the first ones called upon. And this time we don't look like assholes going after oil. We would just be going after an evil rebel army that would probably surrender Kony to us before they fought to their demise. This is a democracy after all. The military should be doing what the majority want. If this is what the majority wants I say go for it.

Anarcho-pirate

User Icon
  • BahamasBahamas
Rank
Posts3221
Likes279 received
9 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 08:04 AM EST
I've read the "scam" reports before. I'm not expecting anyone to send money to that charity and that charity alone.

I've been supporting kids in Africa through my church so... "WUT EV"

I did my part. People now know. Don't care if you agree or not.

User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts585
Likes9 received
36 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 12:36 PM EST
While I agree the video and charity organization are very self serving, the lack of empathy on here is quite shocking.
User Icon
  • CanadaCanada
Rank
Posts5695
Likes275 received
1345 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 01:33 PM EST
Especially when this involves so many kids.


This is an example of what's wrong with people & social networks/technology.

With the advent of instant communication, it allows things to be brought to the attention of the masses immediately. Unfortunately, sheep instantly stop what there doing to jump on the bandwagon for the next big cause, demeaning/distorting the actual problem.



Ka-Tra

[Abhijit] [Ma'at] [Urcuchillay] [Zhi Nu] "Circling Vulture, Laughing Hyena"

True story, it happened to a friend of a friend of mine... EVERYBODY!

User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts3648
Likes12 received
3 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 03:07 PM EST
The sad thing is that most "supporters" don't even know where Uganda is on a damn map.

I watched the video and all, but why are people just now caring about this all of the sudden? Its been going on for a few years if I'm not mistaken.


User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts1375
Likes4 received
4 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 04:27 PM EST
Most people don't listen to the news. But if it's on YouTube it will get watched immediately. Just like most people couldn't point out Uganda on a map, they also couldn't tell you the local weather or who the vice president is. I've heard of the LRA before but I didn't know who the leader was. And I really didn't know what exactly they were doing. I don't think our news puts it out there so much with all the shit in the middle east or North Korea(pretty quiet since Kim Jong Il died). If Africa doesn't have oil or nukes America probably doesn't give a shit. But with this video now we suddenly do. It's a relief if you ask me. Stop the blood for oil BS and go after something that actually is immoral and evil.

Anarcho-pirate

User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts14288
Likes2 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 05:36 PM EST
colt1107 Wrote:
Most people don't listen to the news. But if it's on YouTube it will get watched immediately. Just like most people couldn't point out Uganda on a map, they also couldn't tell you the local weather or who the vice president is. I've heard of the LRA before but I didn't know who the leader was. And I really didn't know what exactly they were doing. I don't think our news puts it out there so much with all the shit in the middle east or North Korea(pretty quiet since Kim Jong Il died). If Africa doesn't have oil or nukes America probably doesn't give a shit. But with this video now we suddenly do. It's a relief if you ask me. Stop the blood for oil BS and go after something that actually is immoral and evil.


With the way the news works is that they only cover things that is specifically about us or if some celebrity did something that's totally not worth caring.

If we were somewhat involved with this whole situation, the news would be covering this like a heartbeat. But because we're not doing anything in Africa right now with this issue, it's not a big concern when having the news covering the story.
User Icon
  • Holy See (Vatican City State)Holy See (Vatican City State)
Rank
Posts11981
Likes3 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 08:50 PM EST
Are people really hating on a group that's trying to capture a child murderer?
User Icon
  • SwedenSweden
Rank
Posts11753
Likes139 received
56 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/08/2012 08:52 PM EST
The world isn't that black and white.
User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts15235
Likes244 received
180 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/09/2012 01:40 AM EST
Here. Written by yours truly.

tl;dr version - You should support Invisible Children because they support ridding the world of an evil man. What they want to do is for the greater good.

Mortal Kombat Online - Community Manager

| Twitch | YouTube | Lawful Chaos |

User Icon
  • CanadaCanada
Rank
Posts5695
Likes275 received
1345 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/09/2012 05:15 AM EST
What is it Psalms says about the Kings of the Earth?

Dexter fans have seen a glimpse of what horrid things happen around the world every day. They don't have the "good intentions" Dexter is implied to have. These malicious tyrants torture people for information or for brutal punishment, and for their own sick pleasure. Makes Criminal Minds look like Sesame Street. From Guerella drug lords to our own greedy, corrupt politicians, tyranny, deception, fear, violence, lies, torture, stereotypes, hatred, mocking, malice, bullying, alpha mentality, status & entitlement... These are evil, horrific, wicked, self serving ways the Humans must be held accountable for. Why can't people get along, why the fuck do you have to demean, and harass people?

Bullying... If I wasn't picked on so much as a child, I could've been like the Saint(Simon Templar).Ignorant humans ruined me. I'm a twisted combination of Sheldon from BigBangTheory(I hate being mocked) & Sam from iCarly. There are various glaring differences, but they are disturbingly close. I'm unpredictable to protect myself. I'm not a stereotype or tool & loathe your ignorant society & it's misdirected social concepts.

Fuckers tease n tease, until they need help with the answers. They do shit when the teacher isn't looking or out of the room. I had a nickname with numbers on the end waaaay before the internet was around. Heaven forbid a child use their damn imagination... dumbasses. The cowards attack in packs, take or break your stuff, circle around so you can't escape. They can't chance taking you one on one or attack from outside arms length, cause they know you're a damn ninja & can skin them alive. Being teased makes you feel like physically expressing the emotional pain 10x. Using the secrets of the universe for revenge would be too easy, and isn't a morally sound course of action.

Imagine that "nerd" you just tripped thought of the following reactions:
-turn around n throw acid in your face...
-taser yer ignorant ass...
-textbook beatdown...
-hairspray+lighter flamethrower...
-bounce your face off the wall 33 times. Never had an acne problem, but they still gonna call you crater face...
Fuckers throwing pastel bits, erasers, rubber bands, n flicking paint at me in art class. Lucky I didn't lynch em with the metal stools
If I went on a rampage everytime I was picked on... This vicious circle has trapped our society. History is much like an endless waltz, but this dance of death, like all dances must come to an end.

[Abhijit] [Ma'at] [Urcuchillay] [Zhi Nu] "Circling Vulture, Laughing Hyena"

True story, it happened to a friend of a friend of mine... EVERYBODY!

User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts1366
Likes2 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/09/2012 12:20 PM EST
m0s3pH Wrote:
Here. Written by yours truly.

tl;dr version - You should support Invisible Children because they support ridding the world of an evil man. What they want to do is for the greater good.


My answer: Joseph Kony is an evil man but Invisible Children are not the angels they try to make themselves appear to be. The world is not black and white enough where "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a constant. Given their support for military intervention by forces known for raping and pillaging and the fact that some of their information about Kony fails fact checking, I'm not willing to support them.

There are other organizations that merit that support.

D'Arque Bishop - Sysadmin
drkbish@mortalkombatonline.com

Mortal Kombat Online - The Ultimate Mortal Kombat Experience
-
For a dark man shall enter the House of God...
User Icon
  • ScotlandScotland
Rank
Posts318
Likes5 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/09/2012 04:18 PM EST
America before oil is discovered: Its not affecting us why should we care.

America after oil is discovered: OMG we have to take it!!! SEND IN THE TROOPS!
User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts1531
Likes1 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/09/2012 06:51 PM EST
Is the "Cover the Night" thing universal?

My city has that event so I'd like to thank the Kony supporters for the bombardment of stickers which will fall upon my driveway.
User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts1177
Likes0 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/09/2012 06:54 PM EST
totheark Wrote:
Is the "Cover the Night" thing universal?

My city has that event so I'd like to thank the Kony supporters for the bombardment of stickers which will fall upon my driveway.


My city is having that too, so I assume it is universal.
User Icon
  • United States of AmericaUnited States of America
Rank
Posts4384
Likes0 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/09/2012 07:13 PM EST
Edited: Because I don't have time for this kiddy drama.


As for Joseph Kony, he has been commititng heinous acts for decades, I hope him and his supporters pay for their evil, he is no better than Hitler, or Hideki Tojo. I've known about him since high school when I was following international law immensely and he has been indicted for war crimes for years by the International Criminal Court. The reason why he and his group, the Lord's Resistance Army have not been in mainstream media is because the powers that be want people to think that the only crazy religious fundamentalists are Muslim, the LRA is a Christian group. You'll also notice they don't mention Jewish and Hindu terror groups much in American and Western media though I can assure you they have existed in recent history....

I care, if nobody else does.
User Icon
  • AustraliaAustralia
Rank
Posts403
Likes3 received
0 given
RE: Kony 2012
03/10/2012 06:31 AM EST
As good as this sounds situations like the one with the LRA have no good outcome.
Scenario 1 Leave Kony alone=Him continuing what his doing.
Scenario 2 Capture/kill kony = alot of death. He's child soldiers would be body guards to and he wouldn't surrender. Plus what happens to Kony's child soldiers that support him? The Ugandan Peoples Defence Force who also commit humanitarian crimes similar to Kony won't just accept them.

The LRA and UPDF are opposed religiously which causes problems which I won't go into.

But this is completely different to what we westerners can comprehend. And that Kony 2012 is a personal view of a westerner, aswell as western educated Ugandans. I think the theory is called white mans Burden.

While awareness is a great thing as long as we have poor countries, differing views and ideologies this type of thing will always exist.

I will also say this is my opinion and is in no way the 'right' opinion just my own
User Poll
Top Kombatant for MultiVersus?
28.8%
Goro
21.2%
Scorpion
13.5%
Liu Kang
11.5%
Other
7.7%
Kitana
7.7%
Raiden
7.7%
Sub-Zero
1.9%
Shao Kahn