dude best OS is the windows Mac hybrid OSX hands down... and doesn't XP look like a dead guy smiley?

Well if you want to get it illegal you're just cheating yourself. Your not only hurting Microsoft but your hurting the industry, pirating software is not cool.

What's a loghorn?

Mozilla with mouse gestures, really fast.

Longhorn is the next release of Windows. It's not out yet.

pankeygriddy Wrote: What's a loghorn?

Well right now both my PC and laptop are using XP, and they are both going to be the last time I even bother with windows. I'm heavily considering switching to Linux or Mac. I'd like to work with with Linux, but seeing as how I'm going to major in media I'm definatly going to need Final Cut Pro(or whatever FinalCut version will be out by then).

i dont like mac for three main reasons

1) too expensive
2) not good enough
3) complete lack of hardware- only mac comps manufactured by apple can use there OS, hence the high price tag, and lack of software and power.

linux, i could care less about open source, open source on a OS means someone can find security holes with ease, if MS ever is forced to release its code to the general public, than i will stop using it. i dont even like the idea od china getting the source, say goodbuy to your share there bill, the code is now useless.

they find stuff like that on windows all the time because its what evberyone likes to use, it can work on any computer with ease, and has no bs for hardware, and includes everything u need for $99 its a great deal.

just watch, when these open source OS start to be used by companies and mainstream, there is going to be hacks the likes of which you'lll never seen before.

You think if your computer starts to crash because of a Windows error Microsoft is going to send a tech to come debug your system? No someone (a friend that knows about computers, or the guy that sold you your computer) is going to reinstall it for you...wow MS reliability at its best....besides my illegal copy of Windows XP is great and if the cd ever breaks I'll just make another copy... I still see no reason to pay 250$ every 3-5 years for an os.

outworld222 Wrote: illegal is un reliable. Legally, you can get a replacement if youre product breaks down.

mrinsulto Wrote: linux, i could care less about open source, open source on a OS means someone can find security holes with ease, if MS ever is forced to release its code to the general public, than i will stop using it. i dont even like the idea od china getting the source, say goodbuy to your share there bill, the code is now useless. they find stuff like that on windows all the time because its what evberyone likes to use, it can work on any computer with ease, and has no bs for hardware, and includes everything u need for $99 its a great deal. just watch, when these open source OS start to be used by companies and mainstream, there is going to be hacks the likes of which you'lll never seen before.

You're not thinking very sober.

Open-Source means that everyone can see the source, and exploits will be easier found.
True.
But, it also mean that (possibly) thousands of people work on it, and in a case where an exploit is found, it can be repaired quickly.
And don't take what you say too easy, either.
Finding exploits in Open-Source software is a hundred times more difficult than finding it in conventional precompiled binaries.

Why?
Because, as I already mentioned, it's not being programmed by just one person.
It's being programmed by (possibly) thousands of people (depending on the size of the project -- Take for instance; KDE, GNOME, Mozilla, OpenOffice -- Hopefully Java will become Open-Source soon as well as they are concidering it).

Plus, you can easily code Open-Source programs with what you want it to have, this implementing custom features.
AND, if it's good enough, upload it to a CVS, so that (maybe) it gets implemented by the administrators to help better the product.

F5CK THAT!

No f5cking way I'm going to install some f5cking new Microsoft product onto my computer! XP Sucks enough b4ll5... I'd rather revert to 98se, or Linux.

FACK MICROSOFT!

an average person could't care less about open source, there for linux wront replace windows unless MS gets sued out of existance.

mac, sucks, i dont like the idea of one jackass company controlling 100% of the hardware there OS can use.

the rest: sucks, sucks, and all double ass sucks.

having 50% of computers with one OS, and 50% another OS is a stupid gay idea.

prices on software and hardware would go up, because there would be two versions of each software title made, and you know a program you need for one job wront be on the other OS, but if you buy a comp with the OS you do need, the other program you would need to work wront, so you will need 2 comps.

one OS is great because compatability is garanted, just have the other ones for those losers you see who are always like "eeh eeh eeh, mS is evil tool of the devil, why? it sucks, why? because i said so, what do i use? open source linux, eeh eeh eeh, open source means you can create your own version after two through eight years of college, eeh eeh eeh, but i tought myself eeh eeh C++, and eeh can write small virus programs if i felt like it, eeh eeh i made this one program, has no use, eeh eeh eeh i cant make my own eeh OS cause eeh i dont have the know how eeh because what eeh learned is from eeh the internet eeh, and without proper eeh eeh training, eeh eh you can use the source"

thens theres mac, the vid editor and sound editor is the main reasons it sells, amature ppl use it cause it dont cost a boat load of cash to get proffesional quality tools, also ppl who could care less about games, and just want something to check email, or type papers on.

mrinsulto Wrote: an average person could't care less about open source, there for linux wront replace windows unless MS gets sued out of existance. mac, sucks, i dont like the idea of one jackass company controlling 100% of the hardware there OS can use. the rest: sucks, sucks, and all double ass sucks. having 50% of computers with one OS, and 50% another OS is a stupid gay idea. prices on software and hardware would go up, because there would be two versions of each software title made, and you know a program you need for one job wront be on the other OS, but if you buy a comp with the OS you do need, the other program you would need to work wront, so you will need 2 comps. one OS is great because compatability is garanted, just have the other ones for those losers you see who are always like "eeh eeh eeh, mS is evil tool of the devil, why? it sucks, why? because i said so, what do i use? open source linux, eeh eeh eeh, open source means you can create your own version after two through eight years of college, eeh eeh eeh, but i tought myself eeh eeh C++, and eeh can write small virus programs if i felt like it, eeh eeh i made this one program, has no use, eeh eeh eeh i cant make my own eeh OS cause eeh i dont have the know how eeh because what eeh learned is from eeh the internet eeh, and without proper eeh eeh training, eeh eh you can use the source" thens theres mac, the vid editor and sound editor is the main reasons it sells, amature ppl use it cause it dont cost a boat load of cash to get proffesional quality tools, also ppl who could care less about games, and just want something to check email, or type papers on.

You really are flat-headed, seriously.
You've probably never heard of mainframes/servers, either.
(For your information: I'm saying that because big and serious servers don't run Windows, they run a form of UNIX on most probably RISC/SPARC, which is what UNIX was designed for.)

Windows is for people who're too dumb to learn an Operating System (let me finish), or people who're new to PC's in general.
Either that, or it's for office workers, who are taught to use the Office suite that Windows offers for their work.

That said, there is no hiding from the fact (roughly -- estimate) 95% of the people who're into PC's have started out on (or still using) Windows.

For those who've moved on; great.
Then you start to learn what a real operating system is, and how it functions.



As for MAC goes, I have no clue on that.
I agree MAC sucks, but then again, I have never been on a MAC.
So my opinion on it isn't really valid.

You will never have to pay for Internet Explorer. It may not be included with Longhorn (I haven't heard of this?), but even if it isn't, it will always be a free download just like all the other browsers out there.

The compatibility between XP & Longhorn will definately be there. There is no way Microsoft are stupid enough to make a new OS that isn't compatible with previous versions. It is all built using the NT Kernel.
There probably won't be full compatibility with 98 or 2000 though.

Also, I think that the Linux users should just get over the whole Microsoft thing. Microsoft has been around forever and will always be the dominate player in the market. Linux might be the more stable OS, but Windows is much more user friendly. Most home users are not computer literate, and nor are corporate users. They're dumb as when it comes to using a computer so user friendly is definately needed which is why Windows is in 90% of PC's.

Like I told you earlier, I used Linux at school until the teacher found out. It was wank. I couldn't really get anything done. Not really hard at all to start out, but I'm far too busy to be bothered with learning a new OS just to use the few new things I wanted to. Plus, it sucked for composing music. No compatibility at all. I'd switch to Linux if there was full support for Windows apps without having to go through all that WINE stuff.

Agilo Wrote: (far too much to quote)

hyuga Wrote: Plus, it sucked for composing music. No compatibility at all. I'd switch to Linux if there was full support for Windows apps without having to go through all that WINE stuff.

*pretends to know what he's talking about*

Dude, I totally agree!

Agilo Wrote: You really are flat-headed, seriously. You've probably never heard of mainframes/servers, either. (For your information: I'm saying that because big and serious servers don't run Windows, they run a form of UNIX on most probably RISC/SPARC, which is what UNIX was designed for.) Windows is for people who're too dumb to learn an Operating System (let me finish), or people who're new to PC's in general. Either that, or it's for office workers, who are taught to use the Office suite that Windows offers for their work. That said, there is no hiding from the fact (roughly -- estimate) 95% of the people who're into PC's have started out on (or still using) Windows. For those who've moved on; great. Then you start to learn what a real operating system is, and how it functions. As for MAC goes, I have no clue on that. I agree MAC sucks, but then again, I have never been on a MAC. So my opinion on it isn't really valid.

I agree that Unix is more a server OS than a desktop OS. However linux is more used as a desktop OS than a server OS.

I disagree on your comment about Windows being for people that are too dumb to learn another OS.If a company only runs Windows servers then there have to be people that can support them. And i'm sure that the majority of these people aren't dumb. This statement can only be said about the home user because anything in the office is what you're given. No choice about it.

In some situations that is the case but it depends on what the server is running.

If the server is an application server then it is more than likely going to be a windows server. A file server could be either.

If there are terminal services then Windows is the only option, unless you are going to use the more expensive citrix system which then could be either OS.

Webserver? Most are UNIX based, but IIS is increasing in popularity so Windows web servers are needed for that purpose.

AussieNinja Wrote: ... Webserver? Most are UNIX based, but IIS is increasing in popularity so Windows web servers are needed for that purpose.

I thought IIS was getting less popular.
Oh well.

But yeah, you're right in what you said, and I agree for the most part.




Huyga, there are enough applications for Linux that can do equally as much (and more) than Windows applications.
Take ReZound or especially Audacity.
If you're familiar with Soundforge (from Sony -- used to by owned by Sonic Foundry) then those applications are a breeze to you, and will be very good to handle and edit with, and to add to that, it's free, whereas Soundforge costs hundreds of dollars (legally -- you could always use cracks, as I did on Windows).

Anyway, it's too bad you didn't like it that much.

I use Windows, OSX, Linux, HP-Unix, and Solaris on a daily basis. From many stand points none are very good. OSX has eye candy but the GUI is actually worse than OS9 or Windows. They are also terrible with APIs. Linux and Unix has version compatibility problems and Open Source communities prove why their not in business--they don't want to make Linux user friendly, not to mention the security problems, poor interface, multiple distrbs, etc, etc! Solaris is by far the worst and is not worth talking about! Windows, the beaten hourse, has security issues that consumers need not worry about for the most part, better app support than anything...Yes even Linux. It's interface is decent but needs some work. What MS did that is better than anyone else is focus both on consumers and devolopers: OSX is not really open for devolopment, not fully; Linux is good for developers but not for users.
Windows Server 2003 is an awesome. IIS 6 is best on the market. Faster and cheaper than Linux, almost as secure.

Oh, really? I was under the impression that Audacity was for OSX for some reason. Maybe I'll give Linux another try then. Thanks. Now, all I need is Acid for Linux and I'm all set.

Just thinking about it, I'd probably be into hardware more by the time I make the switch, so it might not be a problem either way.

Agilo Wrote: Huyga, there are enough applications for Linux that can do equally as much (and more) than Windows applications. Take ReZound or especially Audacity. If you're familiar with Soundforge (from Sony -- used to by owned by Sonic Foundry) then those applications are a breeze to you, and will be very good to handle and edit with, and to add to that, it's free, whereas Soundforge costs hundreds of dollars (legally -- you could always use cracks, as I did on Windows). Anyway, it's too bad you didn't like it that much.