hjs-Q Wrote:~Crow~ Wrote:
Frankly, this sounds like complaining just to be complaining to me. Considering I've been here for the entire time this site had the impact you're speaking, I feel inclined to speak on it's behalf. First and foremost, I think it's silly to expect the most popular MK site on the internet not to be "casual", which I know is what all you people like to refer to it as. The separation of one group of fans from another is what caused that mess a few years back in the first place; it's a false sense of entitlement and creates a hostile atmosphere. It's basically walking into a club or bar and say, "Hey, we're better than you. You people don't even deserve to be in here" and expecting them not to get mad. As I said, we are a popular website and it isn't our job to cater to one group. What would you have me do? Ban everyone that's "a scrub", as so many enlightened and friendly high-level players say? Be realistic and learn to co-exist.
These forums were visited by the MK team because this is a popular website and has been all the years in question. So the solution is to leave and go some place to discuss the game in a place the right people may not even find it? That doesn't exactly sound like having the quality of the game in mind to me. The fact you claim you feel unwelcome to discuss the gameplay openly and with criticism is ridiculous; if you can point out to me any time a moderator or staff member told you to stop talking negatively about Mortal Kombat I would be thoroughly shocked. As far as having a "rant thread", it's not there to contain all negative comments, simply "passerby" ones. As in, how the Drive By thread acts in this forum. If you watched a recent video for example and found something you wanted to say, you could post there. But if your complaint was valid enough to make a thread about it then you certainly are free to.
It's a bit disheartening, because I have tried to improve the site in various ways over these first few months as webmaster. Sometimes the gameplay crew is so negative about everything it gets to the point of me not even caring anymore. I'd love to have certain members of the site back here, but not at the expense of you guys demeaning everyone else who isn't into what you are into.
Short version: You're making things up about not being allowed to discuss the gameplay in perfect frankness. If you are not, then PM me examples of you or anyone else being told not to have thoughtful discussions about the gameplay and I will deal with those people appropriately. It sounds to me like you're upset the majority of people are "casual", but please be realistic and don't put the blame on the site's administration for that. Just because we welcome people who want to discussion character design (Sonya's boobs) or story doesn't mean we are trying to tell gameplay discussion to get lost. Co-exist.
Crow, what your doing here is appreciated by all including myself and I think you're aware of that..
When a thread, "a bitching thread", as it is now called on MKO is ended by a mod with this line:
"If you care to continue bitching about marketing, take it to the rant thread. Seriously. It's annoying as it is." Then I don't think there is an open respectful discussion.
I may be wrong, but I've yet to see a "hardcore" MK gamer coming into a "casual" thread and saying:
"Stop with your casual talk you scrub, go and cheer MK in the - MK is awesome thread"
I can speak for myself saying I never done that and I don't think any other "pro" player did it. We don't care that there are 200 threads about Rain, we care if negative threads about MK are simply labeled as "bitching". And the mods don't think there's anything wrong with it.
And I still think MKO failed miserably with keeping any of the pro players.
First of all there hans't been a single move by MKO to encourage some sort gameplay type talk. And I mean - a place to post videos. Character specific forums... a dedicated place for character guides and other stuff.
In fact I remember it took like two months to stick a gameplay thread.
Now the PS and XBOX forums were merged, was it really that necessary?
MKO has done nothing to keep the pro players. Instead it just focused on one or two idiot members who took it too seriously and labeled pro players as "crazy"
Mods shouldn't have to do anything to foster gameplay discussion. You're a big boy, you can do that yourself. Also, for the record, I will personally be running tournaments and the like once the new game gets released. You can participate or not, your call.
As for the marketing complaint, yea, it has been annoying for me to have to deal with when every thread complaining about anything degenerates to marketing. That's for me and my fellow mods and staffers to deal with.
If you want to discuss gameplay, nobody is stopping you but yourself.
