I'm in.

SKINS ALL THE WAY!!!!









... LOL Yeah right! I love my team, but I have to be realistic.


Ghostdragon

W007!!

Lets do this Jaguars. 16 - -1

W007!!!

I am sorry i been busy with work and shit i'll be home tonight definally and my next post will have the remaining 2 teams in the AFC south and the whole AFC North btw there is a surprise so stay tuned.

Not NFL related, but NCAA 08 for the PS2 kicks major ass.

Carry on.

I'm going to start PMing people who played in last year's game who haven't signed up yet.

I'm glad that your saving your predictions for the AFC West as the finale.

Damn i just did houston and Tenn but for some reason it didn't go though when i did post so it deleted all the work i had anyway here s a quick summary

I had houston 3rd with 6-10 with a good rb core and good rush defence weakness were secondary offensive line and depth at all positions on offence. THey beat out Tenn for 3rd place due to division record.

I had tenn 4th with 6-10 record. A below avg team with really no garing weakness besides the depth at wide reciever and no real strength besides the running game.

I will do the AFC North tonight and AFC West tomorrow

I must strongly disagree with you about Tennessee, and that's because of #10. Jacksonville doesn't even know who their quarterback is yet.

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Yes Jax has already stated leftwhich is going to be the starter in the season and they have alot better defence then tenn espically vs the run. yes Vince Young is very talented but i think 2 things will happen. 1. Coaches will start to game plan around youngs running ablity having one or 2 spys or maybe have the defensive ends contain young inside the pocket ( the prob with that is that you got to have one spy watch young or he'll rush between the ends) because they can just single up on the wideouts and maybe have a strong saftey come in to stop the run and also help on vinces scrambles. 2ndly I think young just doesn't have the defence nor the weapons even a solid #1 running back to rely on. Like vick has a good back in Dunn/Norwood (when he was playing last year) and a very good tight end in crumpler so it iwll be harder to solely focus on vick Young doesn't have that and the defence will be bottom half of the leauge thats the reason i say the titans will have a down year not due to young but whats surrounding him they had a terrible draft. Anyways my next post is the AFC North so stay tuned.

The AFC North along with the NFC East is the 2 best divisions in football. They have 3 talented teams (Cinn, Balti and Pitts) that can all win this division this season and are close to being on equal grounds and off course the bottom feeder clevland. The AFC North play the AFC East and NFC West plus the 2 teams that finished in the same place in their divisions as them in the AFC. Balt plays SD and Indy, Cinn plays Tenn and KC, Pitts play Jax and Den and Clev plays houston and Oakland.

Baltimore Ravens- One mistake i made last year was under estimating this defence. I will not this year. THey have the best overall defence in the NFL (yes better then chicagos because they have a better secondary) though they lose thomas to NE in free agency they have the best secondary in the NFL with Mccalister and Reed leading that group a solid front 7 led by rey Lewis. They got Willis Mcgahee through free agency and dumped Jamal Lewis on Clevland. They also got Gaither in the suppelment draft to help their oline depth.

Strengths- Defensive Unit, QB experence. I really don't have to say much do I about the defence. I love Mcnair he should have another great season.

Weakness- Wideout Core, RB core- I know they traded for mcgahee but what has he proven in buffalo nothing besides being a cry baby and a injured one at that. Will i think he will improve the baltimore running game. Yes but not as much as i hear people saying. Mark Clayton has underachieved after his rookie year and I believe Deriek Mason will continue to be the #1 as old as the guy is i think he'll be solid but this wideout core is not something to be alittle worried about. Though todd heap will help the passing game.

Final thought- This defence will keep this this team in games and the offence at times will struggle and other times should flurrish. Expect this team to be in the 10 to 13 win games though 13 wins will be very hard due to all the good teams they have to face. I say 11-5 a division title and a 3rd seed in the playoffs.

Pittsburgh Steelers- This team gets a Healthy big ben, last year towards the end of the season they have played well. Big reason that pittsburgh did so poorlly early last season was due to their really bad turnover ratio they cleared it up once big ben felt better late in the season. Now with bill cower retiring they have a new Coach in Mike Tomlin who had the Minn rush defence the best last season takes over a pretty good rush defence themsleves. From what i heard they want to use a more spread offence type offence expect the running game pittsburgh is known for. It will use the skill set of willie parker to the absolute max. There oline is one of the best in the NFL with Adam Fanca leading the way. There top 2 draft picks should improve teh front 7 of Pitts. Unfourtunly i don't know if pitt will run a 3-4 or 4-3 so i can't give in depth on this but they extended troy polamlu contract to have a stable leader in the secondary for years to come.

Strengths-Rush Offence ,Oline, rush defence- Willie paker has emerge as a very good overall back who can both catch and run out of the backfeild and willt he oline opening up holes. Rush defence was great and with Tomlin should get even better.

Weakness- Depth at wideout outside Hines ward this team has no realible #2 wideout it will lean teams to double ward on the outside leave holmes or whom ever single covered.

This team will revert more towards the superbowl years i think the turnovers will cut down. No excuses if you were 4th in takeways last year and still have a -8 turnover differational. I don't think they'll beat out baltimore but they will get a 5th seed in the playoffs. Expect this team to go 10-6 in a very tough division. Again they will have the playoff spot due to beating this team for the final spot. 4-2 vs the AFC North.

Cinn Bengals- This team loses Chris Henry for 8 games. They are kind of the Anti Baltimore where they use their agressive passing game to win games and score points fast. Chad Johnson one of the 3 best wide receivers in the game and TJ Homanzah the 3rd best #2 wideout in the game (Reggie Wayne #1 and Boldin #2) They got Leon Hall out of Michagan in hopes to improve the 2nd worst pass defence in the NFL last year.

Strengths- Passing offence. This team will attack and atttack and attack some more. Johnson and TJ will spread the feild and their Field General Carson Palmer loves throwin the deep ball.

Weakness- Pass defence- They had the 2nd worst pass defence and besides geting hall in the draft. So i really dont' see much improvement in this area.

Final thought- This team will be in high scoring affairs struggling against teams. They will try to outscore their opponets but when the offence struggles this team will get blown out. I expect them to succedd more often then struggle though they will fall short of the playoffs they will have a 10-6 record losing out vs pittsburgh via better division record i think pitts will be 4-2 in division and cinn will be 3-3. I think they will lose once to Clev and that lost will cost them the playoff birth.

Clevland- The loveable losers the past few years gave up their first round pick next year to get brady quinn. They also got trobuled cornerback Eric Wright in the 2nd round and Joe Thomas with the 3rd pick. I fear for the dog pound they will suffer through another long season.

Strengths- Umm really do they have any i am drawing blanks here

Weakness- The whole team enough said

Final thought- Clevand with buffalo will be the bottom of the afc winning between 2-5 games i say 3-13 and a top 3 pick in next years draft which btw goes to dallas so those stupid cowgirls can cheer grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Sigh.

The NFC South is still the best division in football from top to bottom. There aren't any bottom feeders in it, nor are there any in the NFC West.

Here are my abridged predictions:

AFC East
1- New England
2- NY Jets
3- Miami
4- Buffalo

AFC North
1- Baltimore
2- Cincinnati
3- Pittsburgh
4- Cleveland

AFC South
1- Indianapolis
2- Tennessee
3- Jacksonville
4- Houston

AFC West
1- San Diego
2- Kansas City
3- Denver
4- Oakland

NFC East
1- Philadelphia
2- Dallas
3- NY Giants
4- Washington

NFC North
1- Minnesota
2- Chicago
3- Green Bay
4- Detroit

NFC South
1- New Orleans
2- Carolina
3- Atlanta
4- Tampa Bay

NFC West
1- Seattle
2- Arizona
3- St. Louis
4- San Francisco

Playoffs:

WC Round
NY Jets over San Diego
Indianapolis over Cincinnati
Carolina over Minnesota
Seattle over Chicago

Divisional Round
New England over NY Jets
Baltimore over Indianapolis
New Orleans over Carolina
Philadelphia over Seattle

Conference Championships
New England over Baltimore
New Orleans over Philadelphia

Super Bowl XLII
New England over New Orleans (let's just say this is what the Super Bowl should have been last year)

Pro Bowl (lol)
AFC 100, NFC 3 (Obviously I'm joking, but the rest is serious)

Well as far as the best divison debate goes you can look at it 2 ways first with the NFC south alanta and tampa will be the bottom feeders. I think losing vick hurts them in the running game and losing dunn for a few weeks hurts them even more. They can't cound on Abraham healthy they lost Kerney in the off season they only got one relable wideout in joe horn. (crumpler the tight end is good 2) and harrington who played well last year still is not the kind of guy alanta needs now. They lose vicks presence in the run game will hurt alanta more then people know and tampa has a aging defence not a great running game i mean caddalic williams had a sub par year last year and a below avg oline plus with their only wideout being and old joey galloway. I can argue that Cinn Pitts and Batlimore can beat each of the 3 teams besides NO in the NFC south and even if i have NO as my superbowl favorate for the NFC i still think batlimore is better.
Now with the NFC West I can give lee way some what it depends on how arizona and SF does this season. If SF lives up to the hype they been getting and if Arizona improves their play along the oline and defence then you have 4 balanced teams not all very good but 4 good teams then you can make an argument because Clevland is going to suck but outside that you can say you have 3 very good teams. It depends on your perception and outlook i sitll favor the AFC North though slightly and thats only if Those 2 teams in the NFC West live up to the hype. Seattle should be good blanced and St. Louis should have an amazing offence this year though defence is a ? question mark. I also think the NFC East will be alot like the NFC West i think wash will play alot better (got it makes me sick) The giants will be alot better off then the media perception even if strahan retires they got a very good young team. Dallas defence should improve under new head coach Wade Phillips and philly has the best oline dline combo in the nfl and a great secondary. (God did I really say those good things about those teams Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww).
Its all bout perception though my opinion will be diff from yours.

Anyway its time its time its vader time. LOL jk just time for the predictions of the AFC West

The AFC West

Last year the San Diego Chargers dominated this division and the Entire AFC. Denver underachieve and KC backed into the final spot int he playoffs just to be shut down by indy. The AFC West plays the NFC North and AFC South plus the same place division in the other 2 afc division they finished in last year. SD plays NE and Batli, KC plays Cinn and NYJ Den plays Plays Pitts and Buffalo and Oakland plays Miami and Clevland.

San Diego- Most of the coaches in the offseason went away. They fired Shotenhimer Phillips coaches dallas cameron coaches miami. They look to bounce back from a disappointing end to the season losing to the patroits in the divisional round. You can definally say they have the best RB TE and LB in the game right now with LDT and Antonio Gates and with Shawn Merriman. They keep their 5 oline players whom paved the way to LDTs record season last year. They still have a fearful front 7 on defence. Norv Turner looks to work his offensive magic on young qb phillip rivers and his lackluster set at wide reciever. Maybe he can do for rivers what he did for Alex Smith last year.

Strengths- RB Core, Offensive Line, Front 7 on defence. Even after LDT they have a pretty good back up in Micheal Turner out of KSU. As i said in the beginning they have teh same oline as last year who did well in both pass and run blocking and the front 7 is fearful when they put the pressure on opposing qbs.

Weakness- Wideout core secondary- They have lack of wideouts not solid #1 guy they hope the wideout from LSU (i forgot his name i think Greg or Glen Davis) will be their #1 guy. But without a solid #1 they will have a hard time streching the feild so teams will double on Antonio Gates in the passing game. Seconday when the front 7 doesn't get the pressure they give up huge plays vs teams like INdy they will have to get pressure or else They will destroy them.

Final thought- This team plan is simple run LDT run LDT pass to LDT maybe a trick play and pass to gates creat pressure with defence. This team is still the class of this division and should win another division title. I say 5-1 in division expect them to lose to 2 to the 3 divisions winners either baltimore indy or NE. Expect 11 to 13 wins. I say they will go 13-3 win the divison and get the #1 seed again in the AFC playoffs

Denver- This team dissapointed last year they started out well but faltered down the strech. The tragic deaths of cornerback Darron Williams and RB Damion Nash have strucken this team with grief this off season. They cut al Wilson a guy who has been the solid linebacker for this team for a decade and put Rod Smith the solid wr for this team on the psyically unable to perform list. Though they have made alot of attempts to improve a weak defensive line through the draft drafting a DE in the first 2 rounds and getting sam adams from Cinn. They also got Dre Bly a top corner from Det making the best 1 2 corner combination in the leauge with Champ Bailey and Dre Bly. They also got offensive help signing Daniel Graham from NE getting Travis Henry from Tenn. With all these new additions this team hopes to bounce back behind 2nd year qb jay cultler.

Strengths- Oline rush scheme, Secondary. The Denver Zone blocking scheme has push countless of people to 1000 yard rushing. Now they got travis henry who is injury prone but a very good back when healthy and 2nd year player Mike Bell. There Secondary with Bailey bly and John Lynch solidify a great secondary.

Weakness Dline inablity pressure on the qb, wide recieving core.
Last year the thing that plauged denver was they couldn't get pressure on the qb espically for the DE position. Now they got 2 players through draft to help out but how much we'll help out idk yet but until i see i say this is still a weakness. With the lost of Rod Smith they don't have a #2 and foward wideout outside of Javon Walker. Daniel Graham will hlep the passing game but Jay Cultler doesn't have the wideouts to help him.

Final thoughts- The denver broncos will try to control the game with the run They are banking on Jay Culter emerging as a top teir qb. I think he'll be a great manager not a great qb but a good one good enough to lead this team to the playoffs. I think the secondary will keep the big plays from happening and the defence pass rush should improve from last season and the inconsitionys should go away They'll go 4-2 in the division and finish 10-6 and the final spot in the playoffs over the jets.

Kansas City- KC has lost 2 faces of their franchises. They traded away trent green and possible hall of famer will sheilds to retirement. Now the KC offensive line is no long stable has it has been the past few seasons. Add the hold out of Larry Johnson this team is looking to go downhill and fast. They will have to look forward to carrerr backup Damon Huard leading this team and a inrxperenced qb behind him. There defence is nothing to get excited about. Though they got donnie edwards n lost their LB that lead this team in tackles the past few years in Kiawka Mitchell (In NYG Blue that makes me smile).

Strengths- Running game. If Larry Johnson comes out of his holdout this will be teh strength of this team. He had one of the most amount of carries last year of all time the toll on his body is high and he wants to be paid. I think if he doesn't come back this team will struggle mightly.

Weakness- Inexperence at QB position, Wideout core Dline. Losing trent green will hurt this team in the long run they will try to get Brodie Croyle to mvoe up the depth chart until then they got damon Huard starting. Wideout core with rookie Dwayne Bowe and Eddie Kennision really isn't the most stellar recieving core you can have there solid not great and will hurt this team in the passing game.

Final thought- There defence is par sub par range and without Larry Johnson don't expect this team to be anywhere near the playoff hunt if he does end his holdout this team really isn't that good with him he'll just give them 2 more wins. Expect this team to be in the 5 to 7 win range and not making a playoff push. I will say 6-10 3rd place in teh division.

Oakland Raiders- They got a new coach in Lane Kiffin the corinator from USC. They are comming off over a possible worst offence ever last season. They were so terrible my grandmother could have been better then this offence. THe oline is one of the worst in history there wasn't a play where the qb whom ever it was wasn't feeling the pressure. They coulnd't block the run nor the pass. Well working on the Oline wasn't an option for w/e reason so they just got 2 scrambling qbs to hope they can scramble out of the pocket for their lives. They got Dantue Cullpepper a few days ago and with the #1 pick drafted Jamarcus Russell from LSU. They also traded randy moss and got domic rhodes thought hes suspended for 4 games. If you need a defination of a mirror image team this was it as the offence sucked beyond belief the defence was great. They were at the top of hte list in nearly every defensive catagory and it only got better with the addition of Davaron Davis from Jax.

Strengths- Defensive line Defensive secondary. Oakland Lead the NFL last year in passing defence. They get pressure with their front 4 and the secondary covers well.

Weakness- Well i'll just save space and say the whole offence sucks.
No wideouts a decent qbcore depending on culpeppers health no solid #1 rb and worst of all the oline sucks enough said.

Final thought- This defence will keep them in games but this offence is so bad nothing should change in thier inablity to score points. And as long as they can't score they can't win. They will struggle again , they are between a 3 win team a 6 win team i'll say they will go 4-12 this season.

AFC East
1- New England(12-4)
2- NY Jets(8-8)
3- Miami(7-9)
4- Buffalo(6-10)

AFC North
1- Pittsburgh(11-5, they just recently gave NO an upset win)
2- Baltimore(10-6)
3- Cincinnati(8-8)
4- Cleveland(5-11)

AFC South
1- Indianapolis(13-3)
2- Tennessee(10-6)
3- Jacksonville(8-8)
4- Houston(4-12)

AFC West
1- San Diego(15-1, sorry but I'm pretty biased as a SanDiegan)
2- Kansas City(10-6)
3- Denver(8-8)
4- Oakland(0-16)

NFC East
1- Philadelphia(11-5)
2- Dallas(10-6)
3- NY Giants(7-9)
4- Washington(6-10)

NFC North
1- Green Bay(11-5, Bret Farve in my opinion will have one of his best seasons as his last)
2- Minnesota(9-7)
3- Chicago(8-8, Wow they were in the Super Bowl*sarcasm*, but the real truth is that they just had a easy season)
4- Detroit(6-10, Calvin Johnson won't make much of a difference as a wide receiver)

NFC South
1- New Orleans(11-5)
2- Carolina(9-7)
3- Tampa Bay(7-9)
4- Atlanta(2-14, without MV this team won't get anywhere)

NFC West(I'm really looking forward in seeing which team will be the NFC West Champions)
1- St. Louis(10-6)
2- Seattle(9-7)
3- San Francisco(8-8)
4- Arizona(6-10)

Playoffs- I'll update this in a lil bit...

I wouldn't sleep on the Falcons. They're loaded even without Vick.

Anyway, time to make your first set of picks. I will post the matchups, and one team will have a (-x) next to it, where x represents the point spread. That team is the favorite. In order to win if you pick the favorite, the favorite must win by more than the point spread. If you pick the underdog, you win if they win or lose by less than the spread. Simple, right?

*All spreads to be taken from bodog.com, as soon as they are ready. If the spread has no fraction, I will add 1/2 to the point spread to avoid ties.

PRE-SEASON WEEK 1:
Cincinnati @ Detroit (-3 1/2)
Indianapolis @ Dallas (-4 1/2)
Atlanta @ NY Jets (-3 1/2)
New England @ Tampa Bay (-3 1/2)
Buffalo @ New Orleans (-6 1/2)
St. Louis @ Minnesota (-2 1/2)
Jacksonville @ Miami (-1 1/2)
Kansas City @ Cleveland (-3 1/2)
Washington @ Tennessee (-3 1/2)
Carolina @ NY Giants (-1 1/2)
Chicago (-1 1/2) @ Houston
Arizona @ Oakland (-2 1/2)

The following games have no line yet (don't pick these just yet):
Seattle @ San Diego
Philadelphia @ Baltimore
Denver @ San Francisco

QOTW: (3 points) Who wins by the largest margin?

My picks:
Detroit
Indianapolis
NY Jets
New England
New Orleans
St. Louis
Miami
Kansas City
Tennessee
Carolina
Chicago
Arizona

QOTW: New Orleans

Also, I don't know what you guys are talking about regarding the Jets. Looking at their schedule, they have a shot at 12-4, and that includes getting swept by New England.

Cincinnati
Dallas
Atlanta
New England
New Orleans
St. Louis
Jacksonville
Kansas City
Tennessee
NY Giants
Chicago
Arizona

The following games have no line yet (don't pick these just yet):
San Diego
Philadelphia
Denver

QOTW: (3 points) Who wins by the largest margin?

San Diego

Any of you guys bet? I'll give you 3-4 free picks. I'm 3-0 so far this week and yes steelers was the easiest pick of the century.

Ok idk much about the spread so bare with me on this ok.

so the -3 1/2 by detroit that means if det is going to win then they have to win by 4 or more otherwise i have to pick cinn right? Ok i will try tell me if i do this right or wrong

Cinn win by 4
Dallas i think they will win by 7
Jets i'll think they win by 5
New England will win by 10
Buffalo will lose by 4
St. Louis will win by 7
Jacksonville will win by 3
Kansas city will win by 4
Washington will win by 6
NY Giants will win by 7
Chicago will win by 14
Arizona will win by 7

NOw the teams i listed is by the spread if this is wrong please tell me whats right.

One more thing i will start the NFC breakdowns on friday tomorrow i work 3-11 so i can't.

Also i'll decide the date of the MKO fantasy draft some time next week. I'll send the emails to the leauge owners

Cincinatti
Indianapolis
Atlanta
New England
New Orleans
St. Louis
Jacksonville
Kansas City
Washington
Carolina
Chicago
Oakland

QOTW: Cincy

Yea, you basically have it right.

PRE-SEASON WEEK 1:
Cincinnati @ Detroit (-3 1/2) winner-Detroit
Indianapolis @ Dallas (-4 1/2) winner-Dallas
Atlanta @ NY Jets (-3 1/2) winner- NY Jets
New England @ Tampa Bay (-3 1/2) winner-New England
Buffalo @ New Orleans (-6 1/2) winner-New Orleans
St. Louis @ Minnesota (-2 1/2) winner-St Louis
Jacksonville @ Miami (-1 1/2) winner-Jacksonville
Kansas City @ Cleveland (-3 1/2) winner-Kansas City
Washington @ Tennessee (-3 1/2) winner-Tennessee
Carolina @ NY Giants (-1 1/2) winner-NY Giants
Chicago (-1 1/2) @ Houston winner-Houston
Arizona @ Oakland (-2 1/2) winner-Oakland



QOTW:San Diego Chargers

The best line of the weekend is The ravens -2.5 to Eagles

Ravens by 7 - bet it hard

Do you guys use bodog or sportsbetting to bet online??!
or what do you use?

We don't actually bet; I just get the spreads from bodog. I do play in a pool with my dad and a bunch of his friends, it's $85 for the whole season, and the prizes get pretty big because 30-40 people play each year.