Stop the bullying...
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posted12/09/2011 04:22 AM (UTC)by
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It saddens me to see that no matter where you go, you hear something about someone taking their own life due to excessive bullying. You hear that parents were trying to get the school in on this, and nothing was done.

People are bullied for various reasons: that they're gay, they wear different clothes, they have a strange lifestyle, they have issues with family, they seem weak, they're a placemat, they're in the marching band, they're extremely smart, they're really quiet, they have sex, they're a loner, they're Goth/prep/punk/etc., they're handicapped, they're in a wheelchair, they have autism, they have medical issues, etc.

So many reasons, and yet, I cannot find an answer on why it needs to be harassed.

I got bullied, I still get bullied. I was in a wheelchair for a few months, people mocked me for being in it. Really? I'm in a wheelchair and I'm the one getting mocked?

A friend of mine, who's gay, was getting pushed around because of being gay, and all he was doing was just going to class. Really? You're going to start a fight out in the streets due to him being gay?


Bullying is an issue and it's been getting a whole lot worse ever since. We need to stand up against bullying, either in person or even in the cyber world, and realize that there's nothing good with bullying others. I don't get, why there's so much hate going around, where did it come from? Why does it need to be here?

I've always helped those who get bullied by trying to end the harassing. There's no need for people to go to others and mock them because they're different.

If we were to live in a world where people are the same, what fun would that be? I'm proud to be different! -- That's what I always say!

But its true. What good would it be if everything was the same? That would be boring. I like people who are different. I enjoy people who are gay, they have the most interesting conversations about everything! I enjoy people who are musicians, they play pretty damn good music! I enjoy people who dresses different than me, they have an interesting taste in fashion.

You get the picture... So how can we stop this bullying?

How do you think we should stop the bullying? Parade in the streets? Have a day to love everyone? Stand up and fight back?
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12/06/2011 04:32 PM (UTC)
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In elementary school and middle school I was considered to be one of the cool kids. I was always one of the first people picked for teams, because I was one of the best basketball players in the school. Everyone always talked to me, invited me to hang out, and all of the girls always flirted with me. I remember my 8th grade year I had three girls who all had a crush on me at the same time. Then I go to high school, and shit's completely different. Lunch period starts on the first day of high school, and I approach a group of people sitting down at a table, one of whom happens to be a guy I went to middle school with just the previous year, and I ask them if it's cool if I sit and eat lunch with them. They say nothing, they pick up their food, and they all leave. So, I'm stuck eating lunch all by myself. For the first few months at my high school I faced this whenever I approached anyone, even just to talk, they all just walked away and ignored me. I then started to develop a new personality, I became quiet, secluded, and a loner. No longer socially accepted, I began to hide within myself, and rarely talk to anyone. I don't know why the students decided to ignore me, even the kids I went to middle and elementary school with would ignore me in high school, but it created a new loner mentality for me. I was never really bullied in high school, but I was always left out of everything. In group projects when deciding teams, I would approach people and ask them "hey, can I be in your group" and always got the same "no, we have enough people" response. It was horrible. I hated being ignored, and it sucked ass because I never dealt with that issue in my life. I then get to college and guess what? I was no longer ignored. If I asked someone something, they responded, and I had no problem finding groups to join for projects either. So for some reason high school made me a loner due to the shitty way the students treated me, but it ended in college. There's just something evil about high schoolers I guess. I used to see so much bullying going on, so I'm glad that the only thing I went through was being ignored, but it sucked. The only time people in my high school class talked to me was when I went to prom with a girl from another school, they all wanted to know who she was because she was very good looking. Other than that, the kids at my high school can all go fuck themselves and burn in hell.
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12/06/2011 04:36 PM (UTC)
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I don't know how you can stop bullying. I've never been bullied, so it makes me nervous that maybe I was a bully myself. But if I see a mob mentality of a group of picking on one person who is incapable of standing up for their self, I will always come to that person's aid.

I don't think the solution is really to stop bullying. Bullying is always going to happen, and everybody in the world has a different threshold for how much they can handle before it really affects them.

People need to develop thicker skin. Not that that is the solution to everything, because what some bullies do is just plain criminal, but some people overreact a bit to a little teasing.

When somebody is suicidal, chances are that you can not really get through to them. Everything that they are combating lies within their self. You can be there for them, but it's not until they are ready to help themselves that they are going to be able to recover. If they are even capable of recovering.

I don't know. I don't have a solution here. The "It Gets Better" project has supposedly helped a lot of people. As well as plenty of other organizations such as To Write Love On Her Arms.

It's just we're all different human beings. You never know what is going to cause someone to be pushed over the edge, and you never know what is going to inspire someone to take control of their own life again.

Back to what I was saying before, I don't think you can stop the bullying. All we can do is reinforce support systems and try and build some self esteem in our society. A person who is suicidal is unstable and needs to get help. And if it isn't one person who is the catalyst to cause their self destruction, it is going to be something else. We really need to focus on internally helping out the victims of depression, instead of trying to shield them from their external environment.
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12/06/2011 04:44 PM (UTC)
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While I dont condone bullying, I also don't think it's anything to end one's life over. I think our society in general these days is a bit too soft.

So yeah I wish people didnt bully, but realistically their will always be bullies, so learn to laugh it off or thicken your skin.

I learned to let most things go. Now if your being physically harmed that's diferent, if that happens, kick the other guy's ass or at least hurt him enough that he doesnt want to fight again.
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12/06/2011 04:53 PM (UTC)
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ZeroSymbolic7188 Wrote:
While I dont condone bullying, I also don't think it's anything to end one's life over. I think our society in general these days is a bit too soft.

So yeah I wish people didnt bully, but realistically their will always be bullies, so learn to laugh it off or thicken your skin.

I learned to let most things go. Now if your being physically harmed that's diferent, if that happens, kick the other guy's ass or at least hurt him enough that he doesnt want to fight again.


It sounds like to me you don't know how harsh bullying can get.
Trust me, it can be so bad that kids actually believe that the only way out of it is suicide. I was bullied so bad that I considered it a couple of times when I was a kid, but I was lucky enough to have a friend to talk me out of it.

My skin has become tougher since, ALOT tougher, but when you're a kid your world is that much smaller.
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12/06/2011 05:46 PM (UTC)
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The only way to stop bullying is if the person being bullied stands up to the bully. It does build character and tough skin. I grew up with tough skin. We call each other names in our family. But we had good times and we grew from it. So when it came to people at school who made fun of me I learned to laugh at myself. As for the "Bully" well he tried to bully me I made a serious threat to him and he left me alone.
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12/06/2011 06:01 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
ZeroSymbolic7188 Wrote:
While I dont condone bullying, I also don't think it's anything to end one's life over. I think our society in general these days is a bit too soft.

So yeah I wish people didnt bully, but realistically their will always be bullies, so learn to laugh it off or thicken your skin.

I learned to let most things go. Now if your being physically harmed that's diferent, if that happens, kick the other guy's ass or at least hurt him enough that he doesnt want to fight again.


It sounds like to me you don't know how harsh bullying can get.
Trust me, it can be so bad that kids actually believe that the only way out of it is suicide. I was bullied so bad that I considered it a couple of times when I was a kid, but I was lucky enough to have a friend to talk me out of it.

My skin has become tougher since, ALOT tougher, but when you're a kid your world is that much smaller.


Yeah your right I would have no idea what it's like to be bullied.



Cause Im not nerdy, weird, fragile looking, or alternative in anyway.
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12/06/2011 06:09 PM (UTC)
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I think it's naive to think bullying can suddenly be stamped out like a small grass fire in such a short time. Raising awareness and raising children to accept differences will help, but what it boils down to is that we're human beings. We're intelligent enough to notice differences from person to person, but not all are intelligent enough to accept them. There will always be that one black sheep of the herd.

I also think this whole political correctness era is making people soft. Sure, sometimes jokes go overboard. However, half the reason there is so much fucking drama in this world is that people can't take a joke and laugh at the ironic bullshit this world throws at us. People take everything too seriously, and sometimes label bullying as bullying when it really shouldn't be at all.
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12/06/2011 06:10 PM (UTC)
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It's parents. I blame parents. If you can't notice your child's behaviour is being destructive to another human being, or if you fail to do anything about it, it's entirely your fault as a parent. As an adult it's your job to teach children tollerance and respect. If they never learn it, it's entirely at fault to the parents in that child's life for not raising them properly.

I live in an area where condoms were apparently a luxury in the early 90's. Drug addicts have children for different fathers/mothers and literally drag the children down the street at all hours of the night while they're out looking for another fix, and the language towards their children is unbelievable. No love, no consideration, nothing endearing or warm in their words at all. They speak to their children as if it's the child's fault it's alive, and rest assured, by the time the kid is around 5-6 years old, they're out breaking into cars or bricking windows in the neighbourhood with gangs of other tear away kids from 6-14 years old. They show their children no love, no compassion, and as a result, the heartless breed more heartless.

That's not always the case, but in my experience, most of the bullys I know come from homes where it's clear their parent's pay them no attention. They can do what they like, treat people like shit, and there's no consequences for it because they're parents just dont care about them. They've never been shown love to show it to others, and because they themselves aren't accepted, they don't accept other people. A bully is an ignorant, uninformed, pitiful character with nothing to their name but insecurities. They bully because they know no different, and half of the time they're too pig headed to learn a lesson late in life in how to properly treat people.

If a child is raised in a loving, caring home, and thought to celebrate diversity from a young age, you don't see any of that. You don't see kids with nothing else to live for but a criminal record and half their adult lives in prison. You don't see kids in the schoolyard bullying others that are different because in their eyes, it's justified. Kids learn respect from their elders, and in the eyes of a child, the mother and father are law. Most kids grow up trying to please their parents and learn all their life lessons from their folks. If a child grows up with the logic that it's perfectly acceptable and justified to bully another person, it's not only the child's fault, but the parent's too. They failed in their job to raise a decent member of society in my opinion.
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12/06/2011 06:12 PM (UTC)
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dibula Wrote:
I think it's naive to think bullying can suddenly be stamped out like a small grass fire in such a short time. Raising awareness and raising children to accept differences will help, but what it boils down to is that we're human beings. We're intelligent enough to notice differences from person to person, but not all are intelligent enough to accept them. There will always be that one black sheep of the herd.

I also think this whole political correctness era is making people soft. Sure, sometimes jokes go overboard. However, half the reason there is so much fucking drama in this world is that people can't take a joke and laugh at the ironic bullshit this world throws at us. People take everything too seriously, and sometimes label bullying as bullying when it really shouldn't be at all.


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12/06/2011 06:17 PM (UTC)
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NoobSaibot5 Wrote:
It's parents. I blame parents. If you can't notice your child's behaviour is being destructive to another human being, or if you fail to do anything about it, it's entirely your fault as a parent. As an adult it's your job to teach children tollerance and respect. If they never learn it, it's entirely at fault to the parents in that child's life for not raising them properly.

I live in an area where condoms were apparently a luxury in the early 90's. Drug addicts have children for different fathers/mothers and literally drag the children down the street at all hours of the night while they're out looking for another fix, and the language towards their children is unbelievable. No love, no consideration, nothing endearing or warm in their words at all. They speak to their children as if it's the child's fault it's alive, and rest assured, by the time the kid is around 5-6 years old, they're out breaking into cars or bricking windows in the neighbourhood with gangs of other tear away kids from 6-14 years old. They show their children no love, no compassion, and as a result, the heartless breed more heartless.

That's not always the case, but in my experience, most of the bullys I know come from homes where it's clear their parent's pay them no attention. They can do what they like, treat people like shit, and there's no consequences for it because they're parents just dont care about them. They've never been shown love to show it to others, and because they themselves aren't accepted, they don't accept other people. A bully is an ignorant, uninformed, pitiful character with nothing to their name but insecurities. They bully because they know no different, and half of the time they're too pig headed to learn a lesson late in life in how to properly treat people.

If a child is raised in a loving, caring home, and thought to celebrate diversity from a young age, you don't see any of that. You don't see kids with nothing else to live for but a criminal record and half their adult lives in prison. You don't see kids in the schoolyard bullying others that are different because in their eyes, it's justified. Kids learn respect from their elders, and in the eyes of a child, the mother and father are law. Most kids grow up trying to please their parents and learn all their life lessons from their folks. If a child grows up with the logic that it's perfectly acceptable and justified to bully another person, it's not only the child's fault, but the parent's too. They failed in their job to raise a decent member of society in my opinion.


I disagree. If your bullying another person, you know it is wrong. I mean the kid is at least a little responsible.
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12/06/2011 06:17 PM (UTC)
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12/06/2011 06:26 PM (UTC)
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Mojo6 Wrote:
On topic: when the bullied fight back.


Thats how it's done.
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12/06/2011 06:32 PM (UTC)
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ZeroSymbolic7188 Wrote:
Mojo6 Wrote:
On topic: when the bullied fight back.


Thats how it's done.


Who picks on kids bigger than them? Bullying is dumb, but bullying someone who could obviously break your body in half is dumber.

And since when did you get all Glam Rock, Zach?
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12/06/2011 06:50 PM (UTC)
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Dude Ive been a CDer the whole time, I post about it every once in a while. THought ya knew lol.
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12/06/2011 07:15 PM (UTC)
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And since when did you get all Glam Rock, Zach?


I haven't.
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12/06/2011 08:20 PM (UTC)
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I think the hardest thing about trying to fight bullying is devising a good campaign for it. I've noticed that most anti-bullying campaigns are downright retarded, and don't do anything to inspire someone who wasn't originally an advocate. For a good example of what I mean, go see the "That's So Gay" commercials with Hillary Duff and who I assume is Wanda Sykes. Those ads made me want to punch a wall they were so stupid. If anything, I'd go shoot every bully I could find in the face if they just wouldn't make another commercial like that ever again.

However, I recognize that this is a hard thing to do. Multiple factors would need to be achieved, such as finding a spokesperson that most people, namely most students, could enjoy or relate to. It needs to be something that gets the message across without being preachy or insensitive, and it needs to be something that will make the viewer want to make a difference. Putting these 3 things together is an arduous task to say the least, and I myself can't really think of anything that would work.
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12/06/2011 08:37 PM (UTC)
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I agree that part of the problem with bullying comes from how the parents had treated their child or how they parented their children. The spoiled kids are always mean to the other kids. Children that have been abused in some form are more likely to commit a crime upon another person. People raised around someone who is violent or racist/prejudice, is more prone to be that way. I mean come on, Hitler's parents were jewish and he ended up hating jewish people. Obviously his parents did something.

I also agree that bullying will probably never stop and people need to develop tougher skin. You can't let that stuff get at you, or else it will consume your life and you will never be free of it, ever.
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ZeroSymbolic7188
12/06/2011 08:38 PM (UTC)
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If your being bullied, fight him, you dont have to win, but you need him to feel pain. Yeah youll get suspended from school for a little while, but its worth a lifetime of not being bullied.

People dont bully you if your not easy prey. Getting hit in the nose or poked in the eye hurts no matter who you are.
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NoobSaibot5
12/06/2011 08:48 PM (UTC)
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But then that brings about another question: If the bullied is fighting back against the bully, does the Bully invent new bullying tactics? Does being attacked back provoke the bully to be crueler the next time?
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12/06/2011 10:11 PM (UTC)
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ZeroSymbolic7188 Wrote:
If your being bullied, fight him, you dont have to win, but you need him to feel pain. Yeah youll get suspended from school for a little while, but its worth a lifetime of not being bullied.

People dont bully you if your not easy prey. Getting hit in the nose or poked in the eye hurts no matter who you are.


Or it's called choosing a non-violent comeback. I stopped a bully who was harassing me by choosing to get in her face and humiliate her by screaming as loudly as I can to fuck off and leave me alone.

She thought that my medical condition would lead her tripping over me, causing her to seriously injure herself. We're both in the drumline, we could and possibly will hurt each other very badly if one of us fell during the show.

What did she do after I threw down my snare drum, got in her face and scream as loudly as I can to show everyone what she's been doing? She left me alone for the entire semester. Sure, she mumbled underneath her breath every once and a while, but that scene proved that you don't need to throw a punch or shove someone just to get your bully off your back.

And um... we actually made up... three years later that is...
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GlockXIII
12/06/2011 10:30 PM (UTC)
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Bullying can never be stopped. Just brush it off, If you kill yourself, good here's a Darwin Award.
So people get made fun of, big deal, there are bigger problems out there that need greater attention. People act like bullying is the worst thing in the world.
If you're posting online in a computer in the safety of your own home, then YOU HAVE IT RIDICULOUSLY EASY! Be grateful that you don't live in a war torn, third world country.







P.S. I get bullied everyday, including my own parents and family and I'll never let it bother me.

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12/06/2011 10:40 PM (UTC)
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GlockXIII Wrote:
So people get made fun of, big deal, there are bigger problems out there that need greater attention. People act like bullying is the worst thing in the world.


So, there's bigger issues in this world than a 10 year old girl hanging herself becuase of bullying? 10 years old, and she kills herself. That's not a big issue to people? Let me remind you, she's 10... Still in elementary school... 10....

You're saying that there's bigger issues in this world than a low-life twit sneaking a camera in a guy's room, showing people that he's gay, after being humiliated, he jumps off the bridge letting all of his Facebook friends know this? He had a great life going for him, he was a remarkable musician as some tend to remember him by. A person who had so many people talking about how good he was, he's dead now because people bullied him and humiliated him greatly.

When it comes to people killing themselves over things that can actually be prevented seems like a big issue that should be solved. When I see commercials on TV that's actually telling us to prevent bullying, that tells me that this bullying nonsense has grown vigorously out of control.

I get that some people don't care in life that there are those who takes their lives away because they can't handle the extremeness that tags along with being bullied, but that's ridiculous to torment someone to where they're now dead.

And even when the bullying doesn't stop after their dead, meaning, the bullies attend the funeral and still mock, you don't think that's really such a big deal?
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GlockXIII
12/06/2011 10:59 PM (UTC)
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Oh, wow...............10 years old? What was the reason why she did it, what was she bullied about? Does she have a bipolar disorder or anything like that?

You know hundreds of kids die every year in Africa due to disease, war, malnutrition. I bet half of those kids don't even make it to age ten. There is not enough aid going there because people just forget about those places.

The U.S. government funds the most dumbest things on the planet when most of it can go to foreign aid


Back to the girl. Why weren't her parents watching her? Where did she get an idea like hanging herself? How does she know the concepts of suicide and hanging? Someone is here to blame and it's not just bullying.
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12/06/2011 11:24 PM (UTC)
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GlockXIII Wrote:
Oh, wow...............10 years old? What was the reason why she did it, what was she bullied about? Does she have a bipolar disorder or anything like that?

You know hundreds of kids die every year in Africa due to disease, war, malnutrition. I bet half of those kids don't even make it to age ten. There is not enough aid going there because people just forget about those places.


The U.S. government funds the most dumbest things on the planet when most of it can go to foreign aid



Back to the girl. Why weren't her parents watching her? Where did she get an idea like hanging herself? How does she know the concepts of suicide and hanging? Someone is here to blame and it's not just bullying.


He makes some good points there. Very valid argument. I agree with him on this one. Sounds like she wasn't being supervised.
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