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Black_Dragon wrote: Hey, wasup people, anyways I just wanna know if yall know Matrial Arts. Well, I do, I already know Buddhist Palm, and I'm now learning Pi Gua. Gentlemen, post your posts. lol. peace.

Shin_akuma wrote: learning Shotkan, desires to learn Ninjitsu.

Black_Dragon wrote: kool. youre just like my friend except he knows Ninjitsu and is trying to learn Shotakna

Lumpy Apple-Buns..... uuuhhhh. I mean marine_warrior wrote : I have taken Tae Jito Ryu and am in the process of developing my own style. Myself and a member on here,Shodan(he has been pretty busy as of late and has not posted in a few months.) are developing a style called "Shikong Ryu".

GhostDragon wrote: Actually Cyborg_wolf started...

Oh yeah! Of course I wrote that! Hehehehehe! Whoops!

GD

Back here in mkonline after a few days of finishing MGS2 on Extreme (and boy, did it hurt!).
Speaking of Metal Gear, the 3:rd installement of the series will feature a relatively new form of combat, named CQC (close quarters combat). Since it is a military elite technique, much of it is not revealed, but the essential of it is to fight in close quarters (gee, whatta surprise.) with a knife in your left hand and a gun in your right.
The techniques that were demonstrated, partially in a very overstyled video by snake, and partially in still shots by the MGS military consultant, showed that it mostly revolved around throws,locks, and some really f*cked up techniques with the gun.

Question now, have YOU ever heard about this before? If anyone wonders where i got this info, its from a Konami official site.

Second question, what does Ni hao mean, and what language is that?

I was wondering, does anyone know the name of the fighting style in "bloodsport" where the black guy is on all fours and hops around like a monkey. Its a weird looking stance, im curious of what its called and where it originated.

Cyborg_wolf Wrote: Back here in mkonline after a few days of finishing MGS2 on Extreme (and boy, did it hurt!). Speaking of Metal Gear, the 3:rd installement of the series will feature a relatively new form of combat, named CQC (close quarters combat). Since it is a military elite technique, much of it is not revealed, but the essential of it is to fight in close quarters (gee, whatta surprise.) with a knife in your left hand and a gun in your right. The techniques that were demonstrated, partially in a very overstyled video by snake, and partially in still shots by the MGS military consultant, showed that it mostly revolved around throws,locks, and some really f*cked up techniques with the gun. Question now, have YOU ever heard about this before? If anyone wonders where i got this info, its from a Konami official site. Second question, what does Ni hao mean, and what language is that?

Huh! A knife in one hand and a gun in another. DAMN IT! Seems like someone has been reading my mind, cause I've been thinking about designing a fighting concept that's similar to this for one of my sci fi/martial asrts/action stories.

I can't tell you what CGC is although I do know that the elite forces of the military, both U.S. and British, use technical hand to hand and weapon techniques. If such a combat scheme has been cultivated in the military, then it's been a long time coming.

Interesting! I have to look into this a bit more.

OH! Ni hao is Chinese for "hello".

Xie xie! LOL!


Ghost Dragon

Okay, then i gess that xie xie is Chinese for goodbye? Still about military fighting techniques, am i wrong in believing Krav Maga is israelian ?

I found some pretty cool looking CGI martial arts vids here: http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/xma/video/video.html

You may want too take a look.

And georgejung, wich bloodsport do you mean? I've only seen bloodsport 3, and what the black guy does there seems to me like Capoeira, a brazilian style, i believe.

See you later.

Cyborg_wolf Wrote: Okay, then i gess that xie xie is Chinese for goodbye? Still about military fighting techniques, am i wrong in believing Krav Maga is israelian ?

Xie Xie is "Thank you" in Chinese.

No you're not wrong. Krav Maga is an Isreili born Martial Art.

And the vids the the Discovery site are from a special that aired a while ago. It was cool as hell man! I'll let everyone know when it's shown again. The CGI of the fighters were ver cool. The people who did them are the same people who did the effects for The Matrix.

DAMN! I'd say goodbye in Chinese but I don't know how to write it in english. Oh well...

GD

Damm, i should have gessed that the show had already aired...

I'm going to repeat a question i asked a while ago, but did'nt get an answer to, how many animal styles are there? I know of Dragon, Snake, Tiger, Praying Mantis, Crane, and i think there are Monkey and Panther aswell, but i would like to know more about them.

And here is a funny (sort of) fact:
Teddy Roosevelt, 26:th(i think) president of the United States of America, studied Judo, and is believed to be be the first American citizen ever to obtain a brown belt in this Japanese martial art. That surprised atleast me, but maybe that is because i'm not American.

Also, i learned that the footwork of Praying Mantis came from a monkey, did you guys know that?

Well, gotta go people!

Chào tam biêt!
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(Vietnamese for goodbye,the dots under certain letters are not typos, they are accents.)

Cyborg_wolf Wrote:I'm going to repeat a question i asked a while ago, but did'nt get an answer to, how many animal styles are there? I know of Dragon, Snake, Tiger, Praying Mantis, Crane, and i think there are Monkey and Panther aswell, but i would like to know more about them.

Let's see...

Tiger, Dragon, Praying Mantis, Monkey, Panther, Crane, Snake... There's also Leopard and Eagle. There's more animal systems that exist, yet these are the most known. To my knowledge they're techniques that also have names of animals such as duck fist, pheonix fist and elephant stomp or something like that. I've also heard scarce references to mongoose and bear. There's a system called White Ape that actor Russell Wong has studied. Not entirely sure the dynamics of it though.

Ghost Dragon

There are many animal styles of martial arts. Some are Shaolin. Some are Daoist. Some are neither Shaolin nor Daoist. I don't know a whole lot about the Daoist animal styles but I do know of the Shaolin animal styles.

Northern Shaolin has Fu Jow Pai (Black Tiger) and Black Crane.

As for Northern Kung Fu, there are Eagle Claw, Northern Praying Mantis, and Monkey.

Southern Shaolin has Snake, White Crane, Tiger, Leopard, and Dragon. There is also Hung Gar which uses moves from Tiger and Crane.

Southern Kung Fu has Southern Praying Mantis.

Lion is a sub-division of Tiger while Panther and Jaguar are sub-divisions of Leopard.

The 5 main Shaolin animal styles are Snake, Crane, Leopard, Tiger and Dragon.

i broke my mom's broom over my bike. i was doing some really cool shit! i was twisting it around in one hand really fast and throwing it behind my back and kicking it back in the air and doing a bunch of karate. i got too excited and i slammed the damn broom over my bike. i was doing that stick thing like a professsional, damn. i could've wooped some ass!!

Okay, thanks for answering guys.
Damn, elephant stomp, that's a new one for me... But i think i had vaguely heard about duck fist before though. But Lion, Bear,(that's probably some form of grappling art, considering the animal it's based on.)and phoenix fist, that's really unexpected for me. Brand new day, gotta learn something!

About white monkey, is'nt that tong bei? If you played Konquest with frost, i think they said that. But i could be wrong.

Going from the other question, your answer put a new question in my mind, Sub-Zero_7th, and that is the difference between Shaolin and Daoist martial arts. I've mainly studied Japanese martial arts, and because of that, i really would like to know more about Chinese styles. Like how come they are divided in northern and shouthern styles.


And while i'm still posting, i'm gonna correct a mistake i made when i started this, namely not mentioning Lau Kar Leung as one of my favorite martial arts performer/actor/coreographer. There, now i feel better .

Have you/are you/will you study martial arts? A bit of a list in order from most training to least - Karate (Zen Do Kai), Muay Thai, Tae Kwon Do. I've also trained a little in Escrima on the side, I took a liking to Kali sticks when it came to weapons training so it seemed like a good move. Looking to start Qi Gong & Wing Chun soon, I just need more money.

What's your favorite martial arts movie/actor/actress? To watch, even though it's mostly wire stuff, Jet Li. I've heard, so if it isn't true don't blame me for it, that they have to slow down the film for Jet Li more so than they did for Bruce Lee. If that's the case, pretty impressive. As for sheer balls, Jackie Chan. He seems to do more stunt work than MA in his films, but damn, that little dude is a skitz.

What's your favorite martial art? I really don't have one... Karate is great for mid-long range fighting, lots of powerful strikes that never get too fancy to be practical. Muay Thai was great for long-close range fighting, at a distance Muay Thai has some very damaging strikes, but in close the use of elbows & knees is really bad for whoever thought "Grappling this dude would be a good idea". Tae Kwon Do gave me alot more stength, speed and range in my kicks, although I found it probably the least practical art that I've done by itself (too flashy, while the kicks are quick they still lack the speed of a punch). I've taken what I like from TKD and mixed it with my training, which has been brilliant for my kicking as I mentioned... Like I said, favourite art is too hard to pick. Once I've mastered every art (ha), I'll get back to you

Cyborg_wolf Wrote: Okay, thanks for answering guys. Damn, elephant stomp, that's a new one for me... But i think i had vaguely heard about duck fist before though. But Lion, Bear,(that's probably some form of grappling art, considering the animal it's based on.)and phoenix fist, that's really unexpected for me. Brand new day, gotta learn something! About white monkey, is'nt that tong bei? If you played Konquest with frost, i think they said that. But i could be wrong. Going from the other question, your answer put a new question in my mind, Sub-Zero_7th, and that is the difference between Shaolin and Daoist martial arts. I've mainly studied Japanese martial arts, and because of that, i really would like to know more about Chinese styles. Like how come they are divided in northern and shouthern styles. And while i'm still posting, i'm gonna correct a mistake i made when i started this, namely not mentioning Lau Kar Leung as one of my favorite martial arts performer/actor/coreographer. There, now i feel better .

In Northern China, the people are rich and snobby and their arts are fast, fluid and effortless. They are taller and have longer legs and arms.

In Southern China, the people are poor, ghetto, are shorter and stockier. Their arts are more about power and defense.

Now, that may seem very stereotypical but that is a general overview on it. The arts reflect the people who are from those regions. I've learned a bit of Chang Chuan (Long/Northern Fist) and Nan Chuan (Short/Southern Fist). Chang Chuan is long range and Nan Chuan is short range.

Interesting... I had never heard of zen do kai before, and i would appreciate a little more info on this art. Same goes for Qui Gong. I too had heard something about Jet Li's speed, but it was about the mocap he did for the video game he stars in. The word is he was too fast for the mocap cameras. Speaking about mocap, is Carlos Pesina( i think it was he who mocaped for DA, and the one that portrayed Rayden in the earlier MK Games) a real Martial Artist? I just want to be sure.

Thanks for the answer about differences between northern and southern Chinese martial arts, Sub-Zero_7th. However now the question i ask myself is about Nan Chuan. If i don't remember wrong, Rayden has this style in DA. Playing him in Konquest, i think they say that Nan Chuan has a very big variety of hand moves, and a less big variety of kicks. Since you mention having studied Nan Chuan a little, do you have anything to confirm/invalidate/change about this?

I have to go now, but i'll be back!

Cyborg_wolf Wrote: Interesting... I had never heard of zen do kai before, and i would appreciate a little more info on this art. Same goes for Qui Gong. I too had heard something about Jet Li's speed, but it was about the mocap he did for the video game he stars in. The word is he was too fast for the mocap cameras. Speaking about mocap, is Carlos Pesina( i think it was he who mocaped for DA, and the one that portrayed Rayden in the earlier MK Games) a real Martial Artist? I just want to be sure.

Zen Do Kai itself isn't that impressive, I was fortunate enough to have a damned good Sensei who was trained in well more than 1 art who passed on as much as he could to me, though. Zen Do Kai is a relatively new style, I'm pretty sure it's exclusive to Australia. Being perfectly honest, it was started by some dickhead named Bob Jones (whom I know for a fact was punched out in a bar fight by a guy I know through a mate) who is a mediocre martial artist and decided "Zen Do Kai" sounded authentic enough to trick people into thinking he knew what he was talking about. The guy has 0 respect from me, my Sensei on the other hand only taught Zen Do Kai because he loved to teach and they payed for all of his shit (such as renting out a gym for a dojo, etc). He was trained in a few arts, including Karate, Zen Do Kai was just a way to ensure he could teach more than anything else. The style itself is very average, IMO (standard Karate, nothing unique about it). I didn't really learn ZDK at all, I learnt what my Sensei taught me which was far from "Self Defence For the 90's" as ZDK dubbed itself (horse shit).

Sorry, I have a problem with Zen Do Kai, even though I was trained in it (by default, atleast). As for Jet Li, what you said makes alot more sense to me than what I heard. Fair enough about the mo cap, still impressive though (just less so).

Cyborg_wolf Wrote: Speaking about mocap, is Carlos Pesina( i think it was he who mocaped for DA, and the one that portrayed Rayden in the earlier MK Games) a real Martial Artist? I just want to be sure.

I've been wondering that myself. While it's well known that the martial arts in MKDA are portrayed inaccurately, Carlos Pesina still seems quite skilled to have been able to have pulled off all those moves. And regarding one move in particular- in Xing Yi, the move back+4, Kano's hopping back kick- that move doesn't even look humanly possible. Am I wrong here?

By the way, I probably should have asked this earlier, but some basic questions for those who take martial arts: How much does it cost to learn a martial art from a good martial art school? On averagem, how many hours a week are usually spent at the martial art school? As I said before, I used to take Karate, but that was years ago so I didn't pay the bill for it, and I don't really remember how many hours a week I practiced there.

i know Zui Quan i will let you guess what it is

xcarnagex Wrote: By the way, I probably should have asked this earlier, but some basic questions for those who take martial arts: How much does it cost to learn a martial art from a good martial art school? On averagem, how many hours a week are usually spent at the martial art school? As I said before, I used to take Karate, but that was years ago so I didn't pay the bill for it, and I don't really remember how many hours a week I practiced there.

Price - You could really be looking at anything... I was paying about $40 AUS a month, not sure how that works out in US $ with it constantly changing, so eh. On the other hand though, my old man is a massuer and he once gave a massage to some dude who learnt off a guy that Bruce Lee taught, the prices he expected people to pay were fucking rediculous and I wont even repeat them.

Time - 3 nights a week at 2 and 1/2 hours a pop, when I was training in Zen Do Kai. Again, it differs from style to style, even from teacher to teacher within the same styles. How much you train is ultimately up to you, unlike school or work you can take a night off training without much of an excuse. And of course, there's nothing stopping you putting more work in than you're asked to (I always have, I train almost every day, with the odd day off if I don't have the time).

Hope that helped, atleast a little.

Forevergrey Wrote: xcarnagex Wrote: By the way, I probably should have asked this earlier, but some basic questions for those who take martial arts: How much does it cost to learn a martial art from a good martial art school? On averagem, how many hours a week are usually spent at the martial art school? As I said before, I used to take Karate, but that was years ago so I didn't pay the bill for it, and I don't really remember how many hours a week I practiced there. Price - You could really be looking at anything... I was paying about $40 AUS a month, not sure how that works out in US $ with it constantly changing, so eh. On the other hand though, my old man is a massuer and he once gave a massage to some dude who learnt off a guy that Bruce Lee taught, the prices he expected people to pay were fucking rediculous and I wont even repeat them. Time - 3 nights a week at 2 and 1/2 hours a pop, when I was training in Zen Do Kai. Again, it differs from style to style, even from teacher to teacher within the same styles. How much you train is ultimately up to you, unlike school or work you can take a night off training without much of an excuse. And of course, there's nothing stopping you putting more work in than you're asked to (I always have, I train almost every day, with the odd day off if I don't have the time). Hope that helped, atleast a little.

Yea, it did help a little...I checked out the current exchange rate, it said $1 AUS=$.70 USA so $40 AUS a month adds up to $28 USA a month. That seems too cheap to me. When did you take lessons? do you know if the exchange rate was much different then? Regarding the guy whoo learned from a guy who learned from Bruce Lee, well, I would imagine it'd be a ridiculous price, not even for the quality of instruction, but just for being able to say you were taught by a Bruce Lee student. It's like buying a guitar that was owned by Jimi Hendrix: you're paying for the name.

As far as training hours, 2 1/2 hours a night, 3 nights a week sounds like about my Karate hours, maybe a little more.

xcarnagex Wrote: Yea, it did help a little...I checked out the current exchange rate, it said $1 AUS=$.70 USA so $40 AUS a month adds up to $28 USA a month. That seems too cheap to me. When did you take lessons? do you know if the exchange rate was much different then? Regarding the guy whoo learned from a guy who learned from Bruce Lee, well, I would imagine it'd be a ridiculous price, not even for the quality of instruction, but just for being able to say you were taught by a Bruce Lee student. It's like buying a guitar that was owned by Jimi Hendrix: you're paying for the name. As far as training hours, 2 1/2 hours a night, 3 nights a week sounds like about my Karate hours, maybe a little more.

Ah, the thing is, the AUS $ has gone up since the war in Iraq. The AUS $ is usually floating around the 50c mark, but since the war it has gone up. I don't understand that sort of stuff myself in particular, but I did notice that much atleast. Anyways, $40 AUS a month was pretty standard at the time (which was quite a while ago, mind you), there were cheaper classes, but there were much more expensive classes too.

And you're right about paying for the name. I think it's wrong myself, anybody who genuinely cared about martial arts wouldn't overcharge for lessons, because the most important thing should be passing on your teachings, making money should be simply to pay for whatever expenses you need to cover. That's how I feel, anyway. I'd like to teach one day (used to help teach the childrens classes), and I know for a fact that besides paying to cover whatever money I have to take out of my own pocket, I wont charge any extra. I'd be doing it because I want to, not to make a quick buck (that's why I'm getting my forklift license in a week for, lol).

Cyborg_wolf Wrote: Interesting... I had never heard of zen do kai before, and i would appreciate a little more info on this art. Same goes for Qui Gong. I too had heard something about Jet Li's speed, but it was about the mocap he did for the video game he stars in. The word is he was too fast for the mocap cameras. Speaking about mocap, is Carlos Pesina( i think it was he who mocaped for DA, and the one that portrayed Rayden in the earlier MK Games) a real Martial Artist? I just want to be sure. Thanks for the answer about differences between northern and southern Chinese martial arts, Sub-Zero_7th. However now the question i ask myself is about Nan Chuan. If i don't remember wrong, Rayden has this style in DA. Playing him in Konquest, i think they say that Nan Chuan has a very big variety of hand moves, and a less big variety of kicks. Since you mention having studied Nan Chuan a little, do you have anything to confirm/invalidate/change about this? I have to go now, but i'll be back!

Well...yes, that is true. Nan Chuan is composed of Southern Kung Fu styles such as Wing Chun and Hung Gar. I've only learned 1 Nan Chuan form so far and it's tiger-like. My guess is that is from Hung Gar since Hung Gar is a combination of Tiger and Crane. Like I said before, Nan Chuan is more about short-ranged, powerful attacks. There are definitely more of hand attacks than kicking attacks. When I learned the first Chang Chuan form, there was only 1 kick involved in it unless you count having to do it on the right side.

Alright, replies!!!

About schools, i really am a little unable to properly answer, since i live in europe, and don't know exchange rates. However, the school i attended had 2 hours a pop, 3 times a week.

Speaking about Carlos Pesina, and Kano's move, i too think that it really looks f*cked up. Chances are that Carlos probably only did a normal jump spinning hook kick, and the animation was then edited. It really seems to be the only explanation IMO. On the other hand, watching for example Shaolin monks,or even normal gymnasts, one could think that it really does'nt seem possible. Hell, in the 30's, it was thought that going to speeds exeeding 60 km/hour would liquefy you. So, you never know...

Continuing on towards the topic of my last post8 part of it, atleast.), namely Nan Chuan, i really think that i should comment on one thing you said, Sub-Zero-7th, about forms. In my Karate style, Wado-ryu, the forms simply don't contain kicks up until like the 7th form... lol

And since i'm talking about kicks, i'm gonna ask you guys a question. But this time, the question revolves around linguistic issues. Most of you guys are born and live in english speaking countries, and thus you may be able to answer this question:

The action of spinning around 360 degrees, and arcing a kick with the back of your heel, generally aimed at the head or chest area, is a big movie favorite. In like 80% of martial arts movies, it is used as a finishing kick.(generally, it is also coupled with a kiyay,war cry, louder then a jet, but that's besides the point)
Anyways, my question is this. Sometimes, this move is refered to as the roundhouse kick. Sometimes, it is refered to as the spinning hook kick, and a roundhouse is then a kick performed like a front kick, but pivoting to come around to hit from the side intead. Wich would you consider to be correct name for this kick?

Before i go, i'm just gonna express myself as completely agreeing with you about the fact that the prises really should not be important when teaching martial arts.

And, final word, for now, do you think there should be a minimum and/or maximum age limit for studying martial arts?

Cyborg_wolf Wrote: And since i'm talking about kicks, i'm gonna ask you guys a question. But this time, the question revolves around linguistic issues. Most of you guys are born and live in english speaking countries, and thus you may be able to answer this question: The action of spinning around 360 degrees, and arcing a kick with the back of your heel, generally aimed at the head or chest area, is a big movie favorite. In like 80% of martial arts movies, it is used as a finishing kick.(generally, it is also coupled with a kiyay,war cry, louder then a jet, but that's besides the point) Anyways, my question is this. Sometimes, this move is refered to as the roundhouse kick. Sometimes, it is refered to as the spinning hook kick, and a roundhouse is then a kick performed like a front kick, but pivoting to come around to hit from the side intead. Wich would you consider to be correct name for this kick?

I'm pretty sure that would be called a roundhouse, although I'm not positive what type of kick you';re referring to. I think you mean the kind of kick, for example that Reptile does in MKDA in Hung Gar done by pressing back+4. I'm pretty sure that's a roundhouse. I'm not sure what a spinning hook kick is. I think what a kick is actually called depends on the martial art in which it's used.

And, final word, for now, do you think there should be a minimum and/or maximum age limit for studying martial arts?

I would definitely say no. A minimum or miximum age for learning martial arts would be like a minimum or miximum age for learning how to play guitar. As long as the body is capable of performing the techniques without injuries, and proper protective equipment is worn during sparring, there should be no reason to disclude anyone from the practice based on age. An ad in my Inside Kung Fu magazine advertises a Tae Kwon Do school saying "ages 3 and up," and features a pic of a kid who looks about 3.

About the kick - A roundhouse is a forward spinning kick using the flat of your foot/shin to strike, it doesn't have to involve a spin though (can just be done with a pivot of the supporting legs foot).

The kick you're wondering about I've heard alot of names for, but the most common name I've heard (and what I use, for that matter) for it is a hook kick (the name makes sense, I s'pose). Atleast in Tae Kwon Do it is, different styles quite often have different names for what is virtually the same strike. I also quite often hear people calling it a reverse roundhouse, I don't know if that is actually right or not, but I've heard it alot regardless

Edit - Oh, the about age limits... Nah. I started when I was about 3, I honestly can't remember a point of my life before I was training in MA. And I do have every intention of still being able to throw kicks as powerful and high as I can right this very moment when I'm well into my 70's and hopefully 80's