Of course it was horrid. There wasn't a single good reason for such actions other than the corruption of the human soul. It was a sad time I wish could be erased from history, but it just serves as a reminder of humanity's true nature. However, I'm curious as to what brought this topic up? Fatality.

I think it was horrible.






...Someone had to do it, I just got it out of the way early. (The post, not the rape. That wasn't me.)

Garlador makes a good point regarding human nature. Perhaps the good ol' U.S. of A could learn a thing or two on this subject from that terrible brutality. I mean, people may think, "How can anyone commit such atrocities?" but Americans are doing it to the Iraqis at Abu Ghraib. I think a common thread (which is also common to the Holocaust) is the view of the victims of the crimes as an inferior race. Of course it's well-known that Hitler and the Nazis believed anyone who wasn't, well, them, was inferior; but I've read accounts of both the Rape of Nanking and some of the torture at Abu Ghraib, and it seems obvious to me that the Japanese and Americans, in the respective cases, clearly viewed their victims as sub-human (regarding the torture of Abu Ghraib, I've also read an article about the town from which most of the torturers were from- Fort Ashby, West Virginia- and the people there are poor, barely educated, mostly white, and speak openly of an active KKK presence). I think people need to compare instances like the Rape of Nanking and the Holocaust to modern atrocities like Abu Ghraib and realize that racism is still a serious problem in society. My dad is very conservative, and often bitches about the fact that black people in America are still bitching, and that's always bothered me. Maybe a big reason it bothers me is the possibility that he (following the lead of conservative pundits like Rush Limbaugh) has closed his eyes to the fact that racism is still a serious problem in America, and in many other countries.

Yeah, it's atrocious. It's outrageous. It's downright fucking disgusting. Yet I still can't get over how people would say, that's atrocious! And then turn around and suggest dropping fucking Atomic Bombs on people. Fucking hypocritical dickheads. Go to hell.

xcarnagex Wrote: Garlador makes a good point regarding human nature. Perhaps the good ol' U.S. of A could learn a thing or two on this subject from that terrible brutality. I mean, people may think, "How can anyone commit such atrocities?" but Americans are doing it to the Iraqis at Abu Ghraib. I think a common thread (which is also common to the Holocaust) is the view of the victims of the crimes as an inferior race. Of course it's well-known that Hitler and the Nazis believed anyone who wasn't, well, them, was inferior; but I've read accounts of both the Rape of Nanking and some of the torture at Abu Ghraib, and it seems obvious to me that the Japanese and Americans, in the respective cases, clearly viewed their victims as sub-human (regarding the torture of Abu Ghraib, I've also read an article about the town from which most of the torturers were from- Fort Ashby, West Virginia- and the people there are poor, barely educated, mostly white, and speak openly of an active KKK presence). I think people need to compare instances like the Rape of Nanking and the Holocaust to modern atrocities like Abu Ghraib and realize that racism is still a serious problem in society. My dad is very conservative, and often bitches about the fact that black people in America are still bitching, and that's always bothered me. Maybe a big reason it bothers me is the possibility that he (following the lead of conservative pundits like Rush Limbaugh) has closed his eyes to the fact that racism is still a serious problem in America, and in many other countries.

Very well said. You covered it all for me. This is a very thought provoking thread, and I hope it doesnt turn into a flame war.

Rape is one of the most Disgusting, and horrid crimes that could be committed. I will never understand why it is done in the first place to anyone, men (yes men can be raped too) Women, and especially children! TO think that some Sick individual could bring them selves to do such a deranged thing to ANYONE really turns my stomach. I think that punishment for such a crime, commited even once (cause even one time is to many) should be immediate castration, along with a life prison sentence. I would go as far as to say Rapists deserve the death penalty, but that probably wouldn't happen which is just wrong. I can't believe that many rapists, some repeat offenders, are allowed to be freed and live among civilzed people, and the people get is a warning that "A sex offender has moved into the neighborhood so have a nice day and be careful."

It is really heart wrenching to know that something like this happened on such a grand scale in Nanking.

Makes me sick.

Ah, rape. Nature's most horrid, brutal, and senseless crime. And we're the only species that commits it (if I remember right).

More proof there is too much of a good thing, in this case, awareness and intelligence. Whose idea was it to allow man to evolve, anyway?

**Drinks beer, and belches**

See? In a utopian world, that wouldn't have happened.

This is vile and disgusting. Rape is one of the most digusting things any person can experience or commit and those who do commit deserve locking up for life or even death! I'm disgusted that anyone would ever do such a thing or is even capable of doing so, regardless of whether it's to a man, woman or child.

I have no idea what could drive anyone to such a terrible act but I feel deep sympathy to the victims of Naking! None of them deserved this!

the same thing happened when the russians were invaded or maybe it was the germans...... anywho during world war 2 either the russians raped the women or the germans raped the women. hell maybe it was niether but all i remember was one countrys soilders raped the women.

I am pretty sure it was the Germans who raped the Russians during their invasion of Russia.

This story is one of the worst happenings in history, which makes me wonder why nobody makes a movie of it. Of course I am chinese and that's why i'm all for making a movie of this event so that the world will know how the chinese suffered.

Sorry to bump this from pg 2, but in response to NGMK, there was a documentary in 1995 with footage shot by an American Missionary in Nanking during the occupation. It was barbaric. Believe me, you do not want to see it.

Rape, it's not the worst crime, but it ranks right up there with murder, and public execution. 80,000 women... ALL of them were raped?!! What has this world come to nowdays? I mean, I live on positive things, but first a beheading, then more bombings, then hearing about this? I've seen crimes done in videogames, but never rape. The worst thing are snuff films (urbandictionary.com), 1. it shows rape and sex, 2. it shows torture, 3. it shows undeniable proof that someone got killed on a camera. It's sick, it's foul, and anyone who rapes should go to hell. HELL I tell you, HELL! I hate criminals.

Yes Rape is bad...they might as well have been cannibals like the people in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. That is awful...it's worse than torture...it's embarassing for the person and just isnt right. It's human behavior at it's worst, thats the only way it can be explained.

Rape, murder, violence, and the such are part of the humans most profond nature. However, my belief is that while violence in all its forms is lodged somewhere in our retilian brain(the most ancient part of the brain, upon wich new evolutions have placed themselves.)That would explain why drunk people are more violent, alcohol numbing the brain to a more primary form.
Violence was a tool of survival when life was at it's more primary stages, and is still a part of us today. However, sexually related crimes are, i believe a construct that has appeared along with society. Nonetheless, while raping is horrible and disgusting, it is NOT inhuman. What i mean is that the human nature itself, is capable of the worst things, given the right context. Just look at the holocaust, the conquistadors in southern america, and whatnot. These things were horrible, but they were still commited by humans. As for violence itself, i've been very close to violence, hate, rasism (i'm part asian.), and though i hate the people that expose other to violence, violence itself has become a part of me, as an effect of long term exposure to it. I'm not saying humanity is a disease, because on a daily basis, i see great things, hear nice words, talk to nice people( especially here.) and like this. But humans have darker sides too, and what i'm wanting to say is that, while murders, rapes, canniballistic acts, and so forth are absolutely disgusting, humans should not try to deny it, hiding it away in dark corners and burying under tons and tons of other stuff, but instead ackowledge it, accept the fact that it's there, within all humans , and do ALL that can be done to prevent it from even expressing itself, fight it on a daily basis, and only let was is so good and beautiful in human nature come forth. Some have already succeeded, some try very hard, some don't try at all, and it's them you read about in newspapers. Humans are not all good, but they are not all bad either.

I wish you all understood my point, i'm not defending rapists, i'm just saying that there is no point in shivering and saying "that's horrible", more engament is required from every human, if crime is supposed to ever stop.

I try, every day.

Peace to all humans.

All rapists deserve to get raped.

Rape is disgusting, it makes me sick just hearing about it. I don't understand how they get pleasure out of that. Especially when they do it to innocent young children. Sons of bitches.

All of this requires you to get stronger. I remember the Rape of Nanking, I remember the Japenise killed all of the men who had callises on their hands and bayonetted young babys. They used to have competitions on who got the most kills each day and they raped all the women.

This is why some people go to war, to prevent this from happening to their own homes, people ask why do people fight? Why risks their lives for an unknown cause? It is soley for that reason alone, to protect what they love. Raping, I had never experienced it and If it were to come upon me, I'd fight to the death to prevent it. Human History teaches us how to prevent these things and it also teaches us that some people take things for granted, which some of us here do to. While they start pointless flame wars on the computer, they completley shut out the fact that they are free people, they have the right to enjoy games in their own free time, they are not forced to fight for a religion, they could pick their own way of life. That is what I life for and I could not live any other way.

DeadlyWarrior Wrote: I don't know if many of the users on this site would be able to handle a discussion this mature, but I'll give it a try. Although I am Japanese myself, I find this to be one of, if not the most, atrocious crime in humanity. For those of you that do not know, the Rape of Nanking occured when Japanese soldiers decended upon the Chinese capital of Nanking in 1937. During the next year, over 300,000 Chinese soldiers and civilians were killed, and over 80,000 women and girls were raped, murdered and mutilated. What are you thoughts on this, besides the usual one liners, "I think it was horrible"?

Most likely people view it as anicient history, their current thinking in modern history started in 1939, meaning anything before that is ancient. I know for some of you what im saying is a really hard concept to grab, probably flew right over youre heads. No matter, DeadlyWarrior it showed how well prepared the japanese forces were at that time, secceeding in china at a marvelous rate.

Shoot, man, I know things like this aren't to be forgotten for the sake of a better future, but I didn't want to know about it. I've got that same "one liner" *That's Horrible*.

Yes outworld, it did show they were better prepared, launching their own little 'blitzkrieg', but you do have to admit what they did was terrible.

no offence to the people of nanking, but as a 16 year old desperate male, i don't think it would be all that bad to get raped by a girl. i mean seriously, as long as it doesn't get too crazy and shes not fat. and by crazy i mean anything by my fanny if ya get what i mean. but i've never heard of a hot girl raping anybody and i don't think thats ever happend.

but back to the nanking thing. i saw this video in my history class and when america started attacking the japanese forces that occupied china the japanese started to strap bombs to little kids and made them jump infront of tanks. now thats sick. really really sick.

Most nations on this planet- be them large imperialistic juggernauts, or small tribal war bands- have committed unspeakable atrocities by today’s standards at some point in their history.

"The Rape of Nanking" was a Terrible event, and it has plenty of company.

Ethnic/religious cleansing and slavery involving children always seemed like the darkest side of humanity to me. For example, Storm Troopers tossing new born babies out of apartment building windows in Nazi Germany, or, the Apartheid using brutal terror tactics like gang rape, mutilation, torture, and murder on children to control the mineral resources in Africa.

It really wounds the soul to know the depths at which human beings can sink.

Chuckles_the_Clown Wrote: no offence to the people of nanking, but as a 16 year old desperate male, i don't think it would be all that bad to get raped by a girl. i mean seriously, as long as it doesn't get too crazy and shes not fat. and by crazy i mean anything by my fanny if ya get what i mean. but i've never heard of a hot girl raping anybody and i don't think thats ever happend.

Chuckles, the Japanese army only had men, as far as I know, and only the men were raping the girls and women.

DeadlyWarrior Wrote: Yes outworld, it did show they were better prepared, launching their own little 'blitzkrieg', but you do have to admit what they did was terrible.

True.