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05/27/2014 04:56 AM (UTC)
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I'm talking about the 7 issue long story I bought, y'know, with money, as it came out and have owned physical copies of for years, where Iron Man and Captain America lead opposing factions that fight each other over the issue of whether or not superheroes should be forced by the government to reveal their secret identities to a private database and submit to organized training in order to become licensed agents of the law instead of independent vigilantes, because a team with their own reality TV show irresponsibly provoked a villain with explosion powers into blowing up an elementary school.

The X-Men really aren't in it much.

You can tell that story entirely without them. It's mostly about the Avengers and the guys Netflix is going to call Defenders, with supporting roles for Spider-Man and Reed Richards. (And those two could be cut/recast with different heroes too because Spidey's big moment ended up being retconned away anyway and there's lots of scientists in Marvel.)
I'm also talking about the fact that House of M wouldn't ever in a million years deserve to be a movie because it's premise is dumb-as-a-rock, based entirely on an out-of-character portrayal of the Scarlet Witch, and has done serious harm to the very CONCEPT of mutants and their role in the Marvel Universe's society and culture that still has YET to be repaired after all these years since the story came out, but that's clearly not what you were questioning...
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05/27/2014 06:34 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I'm talking about the 7 issue long story I bought, y'know, with money


you poor bastard
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As far as the action scenes...well, that's what you get with Bryan Singer. He's not an action guy. Remember that there literally isn't one real fight in Superman Returns?

That's the one thing I like about X3. It had decent action 'cuz it wasn't Singer. Everything else was shit, but still...


Decent action when?

...Did we watch the same X3?
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05/27/2014 03:43 PM (UTC)
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Well decent for the X-Men, y'know, a bunch of people with powers and no real fight training just running at and slamming into each other dumbly.

If I want good kung fu choreography, I wait for a Captain America movie.
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05/27/2014 07:55 PM (UTC)
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No way. Marvel having the rights to the X-Men (and all Mutant related villains) just opens up WAY too many awesome plotlines and possibilities.

I'd go with more interesting setting rather than with "possible potentially great stories".

I feel like MCU works better without mutants. Also, it forces Marvel to use other, less notable franchises for the movies. Guardians of the Galaxy is an obvious example. Also, there are possible Doctor Strange movie. I think they wouldn't try to do them, if they had X-Men, exactly because of their large mythology. On the other hand, maybe franchise ended with better movies...but well: you win something, you lose something. In the end you can't have everything. But, currently I am fully satisfied with how MCU going. Even Agents of Shield have become awesome by the end of the first season...and now I must wait for some time, when our network will show last 5 episodes...furious
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05/27/2014 09:32 PM (UTC)
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- Cudmore's Colossus Fights the Good Fight in "X-Men: Days of Future Past"

Nice little interview with the man behind the metal. A man of few words, it would seem. Sadly, none of these have a Russian accent to them either.

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Honestly this pissed me off. Would've been too much to show the X-Men beat a little ass for a change and THEN have them get killed? It disgusted me to see Colossus, I mean fucking COLOSSUS, get his punch CAUGHT and then his hand CRUSHED by a sentinel like he was just some chump ass bitch.

Colossus is at near TOP-TIER power level in the Marvel universe able to lift 100 fucking tons. That's powerlevel Superhuman 6 / 7 where 7 is fucking Godhood practically.

Ehhh. Y'know... Story demands will vary, but he's always registered a step down from the Hulks & Things of the world. He used to be a 5 on the Marvel scale, but it varies. For the sake of a grim future, it's probably fair enough. I don't really expect otherwise from Singer. He's a guy who doesn't seem to appreciate the super of the heroes. Just doing what he needs to get it done.

The less anybody mentions House of M - the better.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
If I want good kung fu choreography, I wait for a Captain America movie.

Captain America has always been my favourite of the kung fu masters.
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05/27/2014 11:34 PM (UTC)
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- 'X-Men' Star Ellen Page on Reluctance to Play Kitty Pryde, 'Beautiful' Reaction to Coming Out (Video)

In an interview that aired on Tuesday's Good Morning America, the actress said, "I had just graduated high school, and I had weirdly kind of taken some time off from acting and was just in a different space."

She added that she's thrilled she took on the role, and when she spoke to The Hollywood Reporter at Days of Future Past's New York premiere earlier this month, she said there was no hesitation about returning to the role for this film.


I'm not really much of a fan of the character or actress, but it's a real shame there couldn't have been more effort to put her in a feature role. Wolverine's a main event draw and that's fine. Recalibrating the movie really could've made use of the aged Wolverine and still put Shadowcat over as the drive train of the story.

You don't need to scrap Wolverine. That attitude gets more than a little silly (especially around these parts). They could've had it both ways, though. Getting the crowds in with some of those classic greying Wolverine future moments, and built up a new interest in an old favourite. Thems the breaks.
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05/28/2014 01:12 AM (UTC)
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Recalibrating the movie really could've made use of the aged Wolverine and still put Shadowcat over as the drive train of the story.


Whole point of the movie was "mix old cast with First Class cast" and she wasn't born yet in the 70's, what can you do?
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05/28/2014 01:38 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
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Recalibrating the movie really could've made use of the aged Wolverine and still put Shadowcat over as the drive train of the story.


Whole point of the movie was "mix old cast with First Class cast" and she wasn't born yet in the 70's, what can you do?

Time machines. glasses
Well if they have hover chairs and future alarm clocks...
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05/28/2014 04:45 AM (UTC)
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Well if they have hover chairs and future alarm clocks...

.........Nah, that's be too easy and make too much sense
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05/28/2014 05:35 AM (UTC)
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Technically, if you're adapting the comic "Days of Future Past", which was about Scott and Jean's telepath daughter sending Kitty Pryde's mind into her past self's body to prevent a Sentinel-holocaust...and your universe unfortunately killed off Scott and Jean before they could have kids, then scrapping the "send mind into past self's body" part altogether and having a plain ol' time machine doesn't make more sense than having someone else be the time-telepath.

Kitty is a dumb pick, granted, but they wanted a wink and nod at the fact that she was important in the old comic.

It's certainly much closer than years ago saying X2 is based on "God Loves, Man Kills" when it actually has nothing to do with it except that the badguy is named William Stryker, and even then they changed him from a racist reverend into the guy who runs Weapon X.
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05/28/2014 08:24 AM (UTC)
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- He's a guy who doesn't seem to appreciate the super of the heroes. Just doing what he needs to get it done.


That's really at the heart of my problem with the series. I've already accepted that I'm in the minority in this though as well as wishing that Marvel had the movie rights back for their characters.
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05/28/2014 10:30 AM (UTC)
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Mojo6 Wrote:
Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
- He's a guy who doesn't seem to appreciate the super of the heroes. Just doing what he needs to get it done.

That's really at the heart of my problem with the series. I've already accepted that I'm in the minority in this though as well as wishing that Marvel had the movie rights back for their characters.

Well, y'know. Box office probably leans toward minority, but the consensus of First Class being the best of the X-films seems to be steadily growing. I think if you've seen it and you've got a clue, that's clearly where it's at.

There are a lot of variables to incorporating the already bloated X-Men film franchise into Marvel, but as a broad principle, I'd be down with it.

Even looking at the contemporary situation, it'd be nice to deliver Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch: A) Without the waters being polluted by the X-Men version, & B) without having to avoid/rewrite the history of the characters. Imagine a Marvel One-Shot with Papa Magneto in there, or something. That'd be swell.

I'm not a big fan of hard reboots in a short space of time. I also think life is better and easier if brand borders are maintained. When you're cranking out 1000s of comics for fifty years, crossing over from time to time can be fun. When you're making even 3 or 4 movies a year, you want to keep a bit of clarity. So finding room for X-Men in the Marvel slate would be an issue. I don't think smashing Wolverine into the Avengers, or abandoning interesting new expansions like Ant-Man, Dr. Strange or Black Panther is the way to go.

Generally speaking - you expect Marvel to inject a bit more colour and spirit into their movies. That's a good thing. X-Men can't seem to evolve. Ironic.
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05/31/2014 12:42 AM (UTC)
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I don't think it's a matter of evolving at all, it's just their identity. Not every superhero film universe needs to do the same thing Marvel is doing.
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I don't think it's a matter of evolving at all, it's just their identity. Not every superhero film universe needs to do the same thing Marvel is doing.

Their difficulty to evolve doesn't have to have anything to do with what Marvel is doing. It's inherent in their own material. X2 refined the 2000 film and made it better. Between then and now, they've struggled to go much farther. First Class took a major step forward. Days of Future Past reverts.
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05/31/2014 01:55 AM (UTC)
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I disagree and I still can't see what it has to do with evolving, but OK.
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09/24/2014 09:58 PM (UTC)
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- Fox Launches "X-Men: Days of Future Past" Blu-ray Viral Campaigns

Fox has launched two new viral campaigns for the upcoming "X-Men: Days of Future Past" Blu-ray release. The first, Tandem Initiative, is a website for a fictional organization whose goal is to re-map the human genome "in hopes of further understanding the genetic makeup of both Homo Sapiens as well as Homo Sapiens Superior." It encourages users to submit a photo of their genetic gift or ability for its campaign.

The second viral site, M-Underground seems to be dedicated to revealing conspiracies involving mutants in the X-Men world.


More in the article.
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09/26/2014 03:26 PM (UTC)
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- Fox to Add Anna Paquin Back to ‘X-Men: Days of Future Past’

Anna Paquin’s scenes as Rogue that were cut from “X-Men: Days of Future Past” will be added back to the film and re-released as the “Rogue Cut” next summer on homevideo platforms.

The extended version of “Days of Future Past” will become available in the first half of 2015, most likely during the summer, according to the film’s writer and producer Simon Kinberg, who made the announcement Thursday from Stage 21, where scenes for the previous “X-Men” installment, “First Class” were filmed on the Twentieth Century Fox studio lot. Kinberg, who also worked on that film, was back on the lot to promote the theatrical version of “Days of Future Past,” available now on digital and on Oct. 14 on DVD and Blu-ray.

More than 10 minutes of extra footage will be added to the “Rogue Cut” of “Days of Future Past,” which in addition to Paquin’s cut scenes, will also include other sequences involving other characters, as well.

“It’s a big chunk, a substantial part of the movie,” Kinberg said of Paquin’s storyline as Rogue. “We want to give (fans) the fullest picture of the film — behind the camera, and in front of it,” with the “Rogue Cut” and provide “more of the process we went through” to make the film.


Big news for Rogue fans!
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- X-Men: Days of Future Past 'Rogue Cut' confirmed for summer

The extended X-Men: Days of Future Past 'Rogue Cut' will receive a home release in summer 2015.

The picture will be released as an entirely "distinct film" from the original release, with "distinct extras".

The new edition will restore the scene featuring Anna Paquin's Rogue, which was cut from the original Days of Future Past edit.


If you missed it: Rogue's omission covered earlier in the thread.

Interesting idea. Remains to be seen if it's really worth it. If it's a substantially different cut and not just sentimentality for an "original" cast member, that'll be swell.
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02/17/2015 12:17 AM (UTC)
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- Vaughn Reveals His Version of ‘X-Men: Days of Future Past’ Prison Break Scene

Remember that awesome scene from “X-Men: Days of Future Past” where Quicksilver uses his super-speed to help break Magneto out of prison? According to co-writer Matthew Vaughn, who was initially attached to direct, his original version of that sequence was much different.

“I had Juggernaut being thrown out of a plane at 20,000 feet, and using his head to go down a hole to get to the bottom of [The White House],” he revealed on the Empire Podcast.

In Vaughn’s version, Beast would’ve flown Juggernaut over the White House and used him as an involuntary projectile. “I had Beast saying, ‘I have a plan,’ and him replying, ‘What’s the plan? What’s the plan?,’ and they go higher and higher and Beast was going to go, ‘This is it!’ and chuck him out the window. Then he goes smashing through [The White House] with his and Magneto goes, ‘Who the fuck are you?’”


Additional Vaughn thoughts in the article. Pretty interesting alternative!
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