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05/21/2014 03:02 AM (UTC)
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- Quicksilver Will Return For ‘X-Men: Apocalypse’

Good news, everyone! The find of the Summer of '14 will be back real soon!
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Zentile
05/22/2014 01:21 AM (UTC)
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Home from the pre screening, and
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FUCK X-Men 3, fuck it so hard. Yes, all previous X-Men films (except First Class) are officially gone from continuity. Which is good, especially since X3 is now so fucking gone that even Cyclops is back (YES!) and fortunately Jon Ottman brought back the theme from X-Men 2, which I've always loved and have been disappointed that it didn't come back in any of the other films ever since even though X3 and First Class had great soundtracks. As soon as the Ottman theme played during the 20th Century Fox intro, I fucking flipped my shit.
Yes, there are a lot of wacky bullshitty things that you have trouble believing or understanding, like how is future Xavier alive, how come all of a sudden Kitty has time phasing powers that had never before even been hinted at, however, I found it easy to just ignore, hoping that it would all be for the best, and it is. Some things are confusing, but the ends justify the means, because the film is pretty awesome.
Hopefully Quicksilver will be featured more in X-Men Apocalypse, and from the hints it really looks like Storm, Cyclops and Jean will be in it too.
Can anyone tell who was playing Apocalypse at the end? It looked a lot like Tom Hardy, but that's probably just wishful thinking.


EDIT: Oh, and Quicksilver and Blink's powers are by far the coolest. Awesome special effects and action scenes.
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05/22/2014 06:46 AM (UTC)
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I cant wait to watch this im soooo freaking excited , I heard Rogue got cut from the movie I hope thats not true. Either way super excited
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05/22/2014 12:18 PM (UTC)
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- Simon Kinberg regrets how X-Men: The Last Stand turned out

"This was sort of my opportunity, a little like the characters in Days of Future Past going back and improving their younger selves with the lessons they’ve learned as wiser men. It’s sort of a chance for me to go back and do differently what I did ten years ago on X3."
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05/23/2014 07:46 AM (UTC)
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Quicksilver has by far, the coolest scene in the movie. Not spoiling what he does but it's literally the best scene.

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etuisee
05/23/2014 09:09 AM (UTC)
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I thought it was cool too I just felt like it was a little over done.
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05/23/2014 12:53 PM (UTC)
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Heads up, mutants. There's now a X-Men: Apocalypse thread. Beware of spoilers! If you wanna talk the post-credits scene, that's a great place to do it.
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05/24/2014 01:19 AM (UTC)
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Zentile Wrote:
like how is future Xavier alive


X3 had an end credits scene where you find out that he put his brain inside the coma patient he was teaching an ethics class about at the beginning of the movie.

If you watch the movie with the commentary on, they say coma guy is Chuck's twin brother.

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how come all of a sudden Kitty has time phasing powers that had never before even been hinted at


Well the comics are no stranger to bullshit "secondary mutations", like how Emma all of a sudden out of nowhere gained the power to turn into diamond after decades of just telepathy, or Beast randomly turned into a cat-man instead of a monkey-man.
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05/24/2014 02:11 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zentile Wrote:
like how is future Xavier alive


X3 had an end credits scene where you find out that he put his brain inside the coma patient he was teaching an ethics class about at the beginning of the movie.

If you watch the movie with the commentary on, they say coma guy is Chuck's twin brother.


I know the scene. Xavier transferred his mind into an unknown man's body, that's what happened. Commentary track isn't canon, what happens on screen is. As far as we know, Xavier has never had a twin. It wasn't mentioned in the original Trilogy or First Class, so that never happened.
Even if it WAS a twin, how did he also end up without use of his legs? What a coincidence.

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Zentile Wrote:
how come all of a sudden Kitty has time phasing powers that had never before even been hinted at


Well the comics are no stranger to bullshit "secondary mutations", like how Emma all of a sudden out of nowhere gained the power to turn into diamond after decades of just telepathy, or Beast randomly turned into a cat-man instead of a monkey-man.


Yes, I've been reading the comics for a while now. I'm talking about the movie. This is the movie thread.
Movies are supposed to explain things, I don't think you understand that. A movie shouldn't have to depend on people who read other material deducing everything themselves.

Having said that, I'm not upset at all with the film for these things. Like I said, the movie is so enjoyable that you find yourself just going with the flow.
But I would've appreciated the explanations, especially because it wouldn't have cost them much. Just have Wolverine go "Wait a second girl, when we hung out you used to go through walls. Now you can send people into the past?". And Xavier explains "Secondary mutations aren't that uncommon, Logan. Kitty used to phase through space... Now she can phase through time". Boom, no more complaints from me.
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05/24/2014 04:15 AM (UTC)
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Zentile Wrote:
Commentary track isn't canon, what happens on screen is.


The man spoke with Patrick Stewart's voice.

No other person Xavier is mind controlling does that.

To have Xavier's voice, you'd have to be a copy of Xavier's body.

How's that for on-screen canon?
I don't really disagree with your argument in favor of better exposition. Unless you've lost all memory of every post I've made about Mortal Kombat in the past three years, you should know I care quite a bit about things making sense and being explained on-screen.
But you also gotta accept that these guys only made this movie so they could retcon away all the previous movies. This film COULD have been a direct sequel to First Class simply about Xavier and crew fighting Sentinels in the 70's, without Stewart or McKellan or time travel in it at all, if it weren't for the fact that Singer came back as director and wanted to work with those guys one last time.
So the future scenes are literally as brief and unimportant as they could possibly make them. Frankly, I'm shocked a "big star" like Halle would agree to do the movie considering how tiny they made her part. They literally cut all of Anna Paquin's scenes save the tiniest non-speaking cameo at the end, specifically because they realized the future shit is a waste of screentime only good for wringing a few last touching emotional moments out of Captain Picard and Gandalf before they're lost to us forever, and having some effects-heavy action beats with "shocking" character deaths with no real lasting consequences, because the only part of the movie that matters and stays canon at the end is the 70's stuff.
So yeah, expecting a whole lot of exposition during the Future scenes was just not gonna happen. They wanted to get that stuff over with as fast as possible.
And honestly, I can't be mad at them for that, considering how much I agree with the philosophy of "these movies sucked, we screwed up too many things, let's retcon out everything but First Class."
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05/24/2014 01:02 PM (UTC)
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- Get To Know Quicksilver: A Speed Reading List

Nice little short list of issues that get to the heart of the character. Good for those who might be looking to get some more Quicksilver in their lives, or for those who were wondering if he was always a lame, annoying kid. (Spoilers: He never was.)
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05/25/2014 04:36 PM (UTC)
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- ‘X-Men’ Rules World With Massive $261 Million Global Box-Office Opening

X-Men: Days of Future Past” steamrolled the competition on its way to an estimated $90.7 million three-day Memorial Day weekend haul in North America, and added a huge $171 million from overseas for a whopping $261 million first weekend globally. Fox's Marvel Comics-based mutant mashup still has Monday to go, and should wind up with around $107 million domestically over the long holiday weekend. Last week's No. 1 movie, “Godzilla,” was running a distant second with an estimated $30.5 million, and a likely $39 million for the four days.

Mutants yes! Humans no!
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05/25/2014 07:11 PM (UTC)
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Well they officially unfucked X3, thank god!

Best comic book movie since Dark Knight. Can't wait for Apocalypse, somewhat iffy on Tatum playing my favorite character but I'll have faith.
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05/25/2014 08:39 PM (UTC)
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I think this is one of the better X-Men movies out there, might be as good as First Class but not better. But it's miles behind Winter Soldier and Dark Knight. And I think the reason is because the X-Men movies have been largely tackling the same subject for the past 14 years now. Hopefully AoA offers something different, but as it stands DoFP is great...for an X-Men movie.
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Zentile
05/26/2014 02:43 AM (UTC)
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The next movie is not AoA, it's just X-Men: Apocalypse.
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05/26/2014 05:17 AM (UTC)
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From what I heard, they were gonna call it Age of Apocalypse, but decided not to because of Age of Ultron. Even so, Apocalypse sounds just fine.
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05/26/2014 07:38 PM (UTC)
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- X-Men: Days of Future Past Power Pieces for Iceman, Colossus and Bishop

Anybody who's seen the movie got thoughts about how the characters delivered, new & old? Hasn't been a lot of elaboration.
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05/26/2014 09:41 PM (UTC)
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Delivered? In what sense? They were barely present and were there just long enough to get absolutely bodied by the future sentinels. There were some cool and visually dynamic stuff with Blink but other than that it was a joke to watch them "fight".

Honestly this pissed me off. Would've been too much to show the X-Men beat a little ass for a change and THEN have them get killed? It disgusted me to see Colossus, I mean fucking COLOSSUS, get his punch CAUGHT and then his hand CRUSHED by a sentinel like he was just some chump ass bitch.

Colossus is at near TOP-TIER power level in the Marvel universe able to lift 100 fucking tons. That's powerlevel Superhuman 6 / 7 where 7 is fucking Godhood practically.

The series is too obsessed with Jackman and at this point I want the whole cast fucking booted. Thanks for your years of service Mr. Jackman, Mr. Stewart, etc but this series needs a fresh start beyond a shoddy continuity reboot because of the abortion that was X3. Rogue deserves better, Cyclops deserves better, Storm deserves better, PSYLOCKE deserves better etc. Only problem with that is it'd require yet another reboot origin movie to re-re-re-introduce iconic characters and lord knows everyone is sick of that.

It's an absolute travesty that Fox has the right to these movies man. I have zero faith in X-Men: Apocalypse being anything but mediocre and disappointing. People are raving about this god damn movie and I want to be like, "Have you seen the fucking Avengers? Remember how hype you got watching that? Yeah well that's what the X-Men should be...if not better."



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05/26/2014 10:53 PM (UTC)
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Mojo6 Wrote:
It's an absolute travesty that Fox has the right to these movies man.

On the other hand I find it nice, that MCU doesn't have mutants at every corner. It makes actually superpowered characters more special and unique.

My only favorite movie in the X-Men series is the First Class, everything else was pretty boring. Dunno, why I don't like this series, but most likely the reasons are uninteresting cast and attempt to make movies more gritty. It sucks certain fun from them.
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05/26/2014 11:17 PM (UTC)
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Spider804 Wrote:
From what I heard, they were gonna call it Age of Apocalypse, but decided not to because of Age of Ultron. Even so, Apocalypse sounds just fine.


That doesn't really seem likely, considering the storyline is not about the Age of Apocalypse. It takes place in the 80s, it's a lot more likely that it will be like Apocalypse's actual first appearance in the comics, battling X-Factor.
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05/27/2014 01:26 AM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
Mojo6 Wrote:
It's an absolute travesty that Fox has the right to these movies man.

On the other hand I find it nice, that MCU doesn't have mutants at every corner. It makes actually superpowered characters more special and unique.

My only favorite movie in the X-Men series is the First Class, everything else was pretty boring. Dunno, why I don't like this series, but most likely the reasons are uninteresting cast and attempt to make movies more gritty. It sucks certain fun from them.


No way. Marvel having the rights to the X-Men (and all Mutant related villains) just opens up WAY too many awesome plotlines and possibilities.

Regarding the movie, I feel that these two reviews touch on why "just mediocre" sort of grinds my gears with the X-Men. People are willing to practically hemorrhage money at a PASSABLE X-Men movie, just imagine what would happen if we got an AWESOME X-Men movie.

Moviebob's review

Larsen's review
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05/27/2014 02:27 AM (UTC)
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Mojo6 Wrote:
No way. Marvel having the rights to the X-Men (and all Mutant related villains) just opens up WAY too many awesome plotlines and possibilities.


Yeah! Like "the public hates all mutants and doesn't see a distinction between the ones who are terrorists and the ones who SAVE THEM FROM THOSE TERRORISTS...but doesn't hate other powered people even though they do the same fucking things, because they can somehow make THAT distinction, and can tell the difference between mutants and other supers, as if they can smell the fucking X-gene or something."

Yeah, look at that Hulk guy! I know immediately just by looking at him that he wasn't born with those powers, he got them in a science accident, and that makes him okay...'cause he saved me from the aliens that one time! Sure, he smashed up the city at least two other times, but still, what a hero! But man... FUCK that Cyclops guy! Why? I'm not really sure...'cause his kids might somehow replace my species in 50 years I guess?

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Honestly this pissed me off. Would've been too much to show the X-Men beat a little ass for a change and THEN have them get killed? It disgusted me to see Colossus, I mean fucking COLOSSUS, get his punch CAUGHT and then his hand CRUSHED by a sentinel like he was just some chump ass bitch.


If the X-Men are able to put up a fight, then it's not the hopeless bad end future, it's the "Eh, we could get lucky and turn this thing around" future.
Also, I don't think you're right about Colossus's weight class. I think he's around 60 or 80 tons.
Also note that the scale Marvel uses just happens to max out at 100, that's not what the real top tier like Thor, Hulk, and Juggernaut are actually capable of.
And obviously, superstrength is always toned down for movies because there's less big things that need lifting.
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05/27/2014 04:33 AM (UTC)
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@Razor: I can't tell by your sarcasm whether or not you're crapping on Mutants being in Marvel's movie Universe but I specifically had stories like The House of M and Civil War in mind when I made that post.

Also...I get that they had to show that the future is bleak and desperate to shape the urgent context of Wolverine's "mind travel" and the obvious way to do that was to have the future X-Men either be dead or get killed. Stakes are upped...check. It's just extremely dissatisfying that yet again, the X-Men action scenes are ho hum.

If the comic wikis are off on Colossus's power level that's fine, the point is is that he's established as a serious heavy hitter but you wouldn't know that from the movies. I'm just sick of the X-Men looking like chumps half the damn time and the action set-pieces being forgettable. The franchise deserves better.
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05/27/2014 04:46 AM (UTC)
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Outside of, like, Cable and Logan, the mutants didn't get involved in Civil War. There's even a scene where Tony asks Emma for support and she's like "And where are you guys when we have Mutant Registration Act problems? Nope, you're on your own."
And House of M just plain wasn't very good.
As far as the action scenes...well, that's what you get with Bryan Singer. He's not an action guy. Remember that there literally isn't one real fight in Superman Returns?
That's the one thing I like about X3. It had decent action 'cuz it wasn't Singer. Everything else was shit, but still...
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05/27/2014 04:52 AM (UTC)
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The mutants didn't get involved in Civil War, and House of M wasn't very good.


What are you even talking about?


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