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02/07/2013 02:18 AM EST
In this interview with Hector Sanchez at 2:24, he mentions that the 24 slot select screen is just a decoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v;=3vd2TJaCFsM

In this second interview, at 4:20 that they are not even halfway through revealing the roster (at the time we were at exactly 12 characters revealed): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v;=u89RLk1u4s4

Thanks to Samwise Gamgee over at Superherohype for bring this to attention!
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02/07/2013 03:06 AM EST
DLC

my money is on 24 playable at launch.

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02/07/2013 04:54 AM EST
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my money is on 24 playable at launch.


Maybe, but I doubt it. I think it's pretty clear there will be more than 24 at launch. I have been trying to prove this for a while, so I thank you JLU for sharing these. I looked through every interview I could find to see what all is said. It's usually:

"20-30 characters"

"Around the same as MK"

"We found a sweet spot, too many and you get carbon copies or unbalanced characters, less polish, too little and it gets repetitive"

"We have a number of chaacters left"

Which I found funny how they would never just give a final number, yet people have said the select screen is final, at the 24 spots. That's been shown since late June/early July last year at Evo, the 24 character select screen, so why would they refuse to give a final number if it's the one we have seen at every demo?

So this helps my argument, that it's more likely to be 26-28 characters at launch. MK had 27(28 if you were playing PS3), so it would be safe to guess 26-28 is a realistic number.

To me, as the video states, "we have revealed 12, and we aren't even half way there yet" is as much of a confirmation hint as one needs to believe it's more than 24. Why would Hector say it all in one sentence togetehr if he was trying to make it sound like something else?

Lastly, they don't count DLC in their character reveals, at least not in the sense of months before the game comes out.
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02/07/2013 04:59 AM EST
Time will tell.

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02/07/2013 05:32 AM EST
I can guarantee you that there will be more than 24 characters at launch,

I am even willing to bet $1,000,000 on this
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02/07/2013 06:03 AM EST
I stand by my above prediction.

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02/07/2013 06:07 AM EST
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Thanks to Samwise Gamgee...

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02/07/2013 06:17 AM EST
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I stand by my above prediction.

I have to agree. I'm thinking you're right. wink
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02/07/2013 06:21 AM EST
I think it'll be around 24 characters at launch as well. Certainly no more then 26 but in a game like this with so many famous faces everyone slot counts lol.
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02/07/2013 06:28 AM EST
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I stand by my above prediction.

I have to agree. I'm thinking you're right. wink


Oh jeeze, not all the winks again...I remember what those mean from the MK9 leadup hahahaha.

I still stand by more than 24. The evidence supports it, and Hector outright said it. So I don't see why it would end up as 24. I have no problem with 24, but if that's what it is, they should have just confirmed that months ago, since the select screen has shown 24 since it was first shown last June/July. Why sit there and blatantly ignore the fact that we see that, and then go on and say "the final number hasn't been revealed" "it's 20-30" "we announced about 12 characters now(this included Joker and Lantern, so they were exactly at 12), and we're not even at half" "the select screen is a decoy" etc.

Seems to be obnoxiously beating around the bush a bit much if in the end, it's 24, the same amount shown before all the interviews. It's like me showing you a pack that 6 6 candy bars inside, then waiting almost a year while you continually guess how much I will end up giving you, as I say "we'll see" "just wait" "final number isn't available yet"...

Just seems pointless lol. So regardless if there's some knowledge you guys have that not everyone is getting, I still stand by the fact that if it's 24 in the end, why bother put up this false sense of secrecy? Why not just say "we'll have 24 characters, plus a good amount of DLC in the months that follow".
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02/07/2013 06:53 AM EST
Well with the amazing reception of DLC that MK9 had(according to NRS). Boon said if they knew that back then, things would have been much more in quantity. He went on to say they were aiming higher for all future titles. I'm going to ballpark this (and I do mean ballpark) at 6 DLC characters.

My DLC barrell for consideration:

-MartianManhunter
-Lobo
-Bluebeetle
-Powergirl
-Swampthing
-Scarecrow
-RedHood
-Clayface
-Killercroc
-Robin(Tim Drake - Arkham City)

A little batman heavy. But lets face it. Batman characters are pretty sick.

I really think they can do creative things with Scarecrow. Hes my one pipedream. And MartianManhunter, fans literally deserve him to be in the game. He gets shunned at every turn, in DCU multimedia.

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02/07/2013 07:08 AM EST
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I stand by my above prediction.


So are you taking me up on my bet?
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02/07/2013 07:15 AM EST
Further possible evidence, from TheGameNetworks hands-on preview:

"Characters featured in the game range from prominent heroes like Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, to ones people might not be familiar with, like Solomon Grundy and Cyborg. These characters come in two flavours, those that rely on tech, like Batman, and those that rely on might, like Superman and Wonder Woman. Though this was plain to see in their moveset, it didn't really alter that much in the way of play-style. The big guys still hit heavy and aren't terribly fast, whereas characters like the Flash and Nightwing are quick hitters. There's also the middle-ground in Batman, who was the character I stuck with out of superhero brand loyalty. At the moment, there were only 9 players to choose from, but that number should triple by release date."
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02/07/2013 07:20 AM EST
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Well with the amazing reception of DLC that MK9 had(according to NRS). Boon said if they knew that back then, things would have been much more in quantity. He went on to say they were aiming higher for all future titles. I'm going to ballpark this (and I do mean ballpark) at 6 DLC characters.

My DLC barrell for consideration:

-MartianManhunter
-Lobo
-Bluebeetle
-Powergirl
-Swampthing
-Scarecrow
-RedHood
-Clayface
-Killercroc
-Robin(Tim Drake - Arkham City)

A little batman heavy. But lets face it. Batman characters are pretty sick.

I really think they can do creative things with Scarecrow. Hes my one pipedream. And MartianManhunter, fans literally deserve him to be in the game. He gets shunned at every turn, in DCU multimedia.


Yeah, 6 DLC characters has been my guess too. They said there would be more than MK9, so it's gotta be at least 5, and I imagine they'll keep it even numbered, and go for 6 or 8, with 6 being more likely.

I don't see why this means 24 characters in the main roster though. I see it being 26 characters, maybe 24 of them available right away, 2 unlockable. Just seems like 26 is the perfect number. MK9 had 27, 28 if you coutn Kratos, and each character felt great, so I see no reason to cut it back by 3-4, seems to completely defeat the purpose of having more DLC, if you are going to offer that much less at the start. They are effectively saying "we'll offer more DLC for Injustice than we did for MK9, but the total amount of characters in the end will actually be less."

MK9 - 28 + 4 DLC = 32
Injustice - 24 + 6 DLC = 30

Just doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense, along with the rest of the evidence given above.

But anyways, as for DLC talk, I still think Martian Manhunter is going to be in the main roster, he's just being saved until one of the last to be revealed. Similar to Kabal and Smoke with MK9, MM has a good sized fanbase, with notable role over the years, but he isn't exactly A-list. So they'll want a fan favorite to be saved for one last hype factor to push the last month of the game's leadup to release. Plus, if you count all the spots, even if there was only 24, and you take every person that has been rumored or seen in story as well as confirmations, there's still 1 spot left to be completely free.

So with that said, 6 DLC characters, i'd like:

1.Lobo (pretty much a given based on Boon's comments)
2.Doctor Fate (my own personal desire)
3.Swamp Thing (he fits the obscure role)
4.Zatanna/Black Canary (One of these two)
5.Scarecrow/Poison Ivy/Clayface (One of these three would be great for visual specials)
6.Robin/Red Hood (Either Drake, Jason as Red Hood, or Damian with his sword)

I still hope Beetle, Croc, and Grodd find their way in, because ultimately i'd like everyone's favorites to make it in. So maybe more DLC? hmmm

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And MartianManhunter, fans literally deserve him to be in the game. He gets shunned at every turn, in DCU multimedia.


II still don't get where this idea that MM is shunned at every turn in multimedia is coming from...

Ihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_Manhunter#In_other_media

That's nothing to scoff at. Keep in mind, he's not exactly AAA tier status, that only a few heroes can be attributed to(Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Spider-man, Iron Man, Hulk, and Wolverine etc.). Think about the X-men, they are a group, but clearly there's the face of the X-men(Wolverine, and to a lesser extent Cyclops). Characters such as Beast, Nightcrawler, Iceman etc. They have their fanbase, which makes them popular characters, but surely none of them are getting their own movies or merchandise featured at Wal-Mart. This is similar for MM. He's apart of the JLA. He has his fanbase amongst comic book fans, but the general public wouldn't know who he is, unless they are a fan of the show he appears in.

But back to the topic, he's been featured in quite a bit. In all the main animated series over the years, as well as in Smallville, and multiple games. Hardly being "shunned at every turn" as you would believe. He's going to be apart of the upcoming Justice League of America comic book series due out soon, he was in Justice League: Doom last year, and he was in Lego Batman: 2 DC Superheroes last year as well. Could he be used more and marketed more outside of the comics? Sure, but that can be said about Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman etc. as well. DC just isn't on the level of Marvel at getting things out there as consistently. They are obviously making an attempt now, though. Much more so than they were 10 years ago.
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02/07/2013 08:00 AM EST
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I stand by my above prediction.


So are you taking me up on my bet?


No bets. Just my prediction. This thread will always serve as proof as to who is correct. That is enough for me.

@BlackCyborg

I think (with all due respect) that you are allowing a clear desire for more characters, to lead all roads to that destination.

Just for the record. I want more characters, just as much as you do. But think. This is a NRS fighting game. Over the coarse of development. Roster can go from launch, to DLC. Much depends on balance and production. Unlike many fighting franchises, MK fighters usually carry all new overhauls, to every character in every game. Its a huge load to deal with.

Simple fact being. If I wanted to use many of those quote's details (or lack there of) to make my point. I could do it, just as easy. It depends on the way you look at it.

24 is my prediction, not my desire. I once thought it to be 26. No longer. But I realize that quality is far more important to me, than quantity. Whats the point of having Scarecrow and Zatanna (just examples) tacked on in the final stages, to have them incomplete and total let downs?

Hell. I would rather 10 solid and completely balanced characters, than 20 under-developed. I trust NRS. And with that, I am resting on 24.

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02/07/2013 08:14 AM EST
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@BlackCyborg

I think (with all due respect) that you are allowing a clear desire for more characters, to lead all roads to that destination.

Just for the record. I want more characters, just as much as you do. But think. This is a NRS fighting game. Over the coarse of development. Roster can go from launch, to DLC. Much depends on balance and production. Unlike many fighting franchises, MK fighters usually carry all new overhauls, to every character in every game. Its a huge load to deal with.

Simple fact being. If I wanted to use many of those quotes details (or lack there of) to make my point. I could do it, just as easy. It depends on the way you look at it.

24 is my prediction, not my desire. I once thought it to be 26. No longer. But I realize that quality is far more important to me, than quality. Whats the point of having Scarecrow and Zatanna (just examples) tacked on in the final stages, to have them incomplete and total let downs?

Hell. I would rather 10 solid and completely balanced characters, than 20 under-developed. I trust NRS. And with that, I am resting on 24.


I get what you are saying, but to me, there's no proof or evidence to support any of it, whereas there's at least hints and support backing a final number above 24. It's not that I want more characters leading me to think there will be, that's not the case at all. I am ok with 24. If they announced 24 as the final number months ago, I would be content and happy. It's the matter of them dancing around the answer, and saying things that sway things leading to more than 24, when clearly we've had the select screen made available to us for over 7 months now, so it would come off a bit silly.

Lastly, nobody that has their mind made up on it being 24, has provided any sort of backing to it, other thaqn the select screen showing 24 slots. Yet, just for the reason of speculation and debate on what the final number is, the quotes are merely there to give a good idea of what the final number is. It's not as if I am supporting one side over the other, it's simply a matter of I watch all the interviews I can find, and provide quotes of what helps support an actual answer. So far, I have seen/heard nothing that provides any weight to it being 24, otherwise I would have posted that to help the discussion.

I believe it's likely to be 26, based on everything made available to us that they have commented on. With the "we've revealed 12, and we're not even half way there", "the select screen is a decoy" (why have a decoy unless it's to hide the final number of spots?), and them constantly refusing to give a final number, only saying 20-30, when it's so easy to just say "it's 24, and the select screen is final", leaving us all to speculate over who makes it in those spots.

So no, it's not as if I want it to be more so I just make things up that I want to hear. These are quotes taken directly from NRS interviews. I am in the same boat I imagine most of us are, quality over quantity. In no way would I want 26 if it means less balance and individual character depth/quality. I much prefer MKvsDC with 22, than MK:Armageddon with 50+. I am merely trying to add up all the evidence, and that evidence, as it stands now unless someone else has more to offer, points to there being more than 24.
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02/07/2013 08:45 AM EST
You are right. There is no backing other than the default select screen. That's why it is a prediction, not a statement. There is really no other direction for this to go, without more contributing details. So let me refer to my above post, and leave it at that.

"Time will tell."

Expect me to return to this thread, when we know for sure.

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02/07/2013 09:50 AM EST
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Casselman Wrote:
I stand by my above prediction.

I have to agree. I'm thinking you're right. wink


Oh jeeze, not all the winks again...I remember what those mean from the MK9 leadup hahahaha.

Not even like that. I know what you know, what we know has been given to us. For example the Bane pic posted on Twitter and Facebook. To help support our news leads and updates.

I only "winked" because me and casselman are really good friends offsite and like being excuse the word asses to each other.

That is all it was me being in a respectful manner, a trolling sarcastic ass.
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02/07/2013 10:37 AM EST
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blackcyborg Wrote:
MINION Wrote:
Casselman Wrote:
I stand by my above prediction.

I have to agree. I'm thinking you're right. wink


Oh jeeze, not all the winks again...I remember what those mean from the MK9 leadup hahahaha.

Not even like that. I know what you know, what we know has been given to us. For example the Bane pic posted on Twitter and Facebook. To help support our news leads and updates.

I only "winked" because me and casselman are really good friends offsite and like being excuse the word asses to each other.

That is all it was me being in a respectful manner, a trolling sarcastic ass.


Gotcha. :P
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02/07/2013 08:22 PM EST
This is how it will go down.

24 on the Select Screen
6 Unlock able in game
6 DLC
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02/07/2013 08:39 PM EST
My prediction

Awesome roster so far

1. Superman
2. Batman
3. Wonder Woman
4. The Flash
5. Green Lantern
6. Green Arrow
7. Nightwing
8. Cyborg
9. Catwoman
10. Deathstroke
11. Harley Quinn
12. The Joker
13. Solomon Grundy
14. Lex Luthor
15. Bane
16. Aquaman
17. Captain Marvel
18. Sinestro
19. Hawk Girl
20. Raven
21. Black Atom
22. Ares
23. Zantanna
24. Killer Croc

Secret
25. Darkseid
26. Gorilla Grood
27. Blue Beetle
28. Scarecrow
29. Doomsday Sub Boss
30. Evil Superman Boss

DLC
31. Super Girl
32. Captain Cold/ Mr. Freeze
33. Fire Storm
34. Black Canary
35. Martin Manhunter
36. Lobo
37. Swamp Thing
38. Two Face/Penguin
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02/08/2013 06:16 AM EST
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6 Unlock able in game


Considering they're trying to make this game Evo-worthy I seriously doubt there's going to be 6 unlockable characters in the game.

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02/08/2013 03:40 PM EST
32 heroes and villains according to the most recent news article. Soooooo.
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02/08/2013 03:44 PM EST
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32 heroes and villains according to the most recent news article. Soooooo.


It also said, that those 32 are duking it out in the tournament, even though the bracket clearly only has 16 spots. Which is likely how they mistakingly put 32, by doubling 16. How? No idea...but I don't think that means anything other than someone making a simple error in counting.
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02/08/2013 04:18 PM EST
Yeah I noticed after I watched the videos and saw the bracket. Keeping hope alive though lol.
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