New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
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RE: New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
02/07/2013 11:50 PM EST
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Yes I know it's nothing to do with MK but we can't act as if MKvsDCU don't exist.



Yeah you can, I do it all the time!

I heavenly skip right over it from Armageddon to MK2011.



MKvsDC was the best thing that could have happened to MK.

Sure, it wasn't perfect as a game, but man, without it, WB may have never picked up NRS. That in itself makes everything more than worth it.

Personally, I enjoyed the game, and thought it played better than MK:DA-MK:A. I prefer a more 2d playing field though, so even though it wasn't full on locked on 1 plane, it was still a step in the right direction. Also, it gave us the first version of the chapter by chapter story mode, that they did so well in MK9.

I also thought all the characters played better, and were more fleshed out than in MK:DA-MK:A.

So yeah, MKvsDC was definitely worth it in my opinion.

As I said before, had they not established that working relationship with WB and DC, WB may not have had the desire to pick them out when Midway went under. And eversince being picked up by WB, as with MK9, you can tell we are in for a much better product. Plus, and here's the best part, now we get a DC fighting game with an awesome roster and story, in between MK games. Dream come true!

I 100% wholeheartedly agree with everything here.

MKvsDCU was an amazing envision that came through beautifully. Again look past some of the flaws that it carried. It still had a good visualization of "what could of been" in that games own cannon.

I remember when we got the first Teaser Image for the game I had posted and said that this was a great idea. It worked with MvC & CapcomvsSNK.
I was given hate reply's because I was enthusiastic and more then ready to support this product. Everything I try to do comes with reason and purpose. I'm glad the game went on to be successful because now we got MK9 and Injustice. As you said we get best of both worlds and I couldn't be happier with that playing field.

Despite the few who still aren't as accepting of MKvsDCU. I guess it really all comes down to how passionate you are about comics and the transitions these brands make from marketed media to game implementations.

For me it's not hard to guess, while outside my rants for characters lol. That when it comes down to the grit of it all I have no problems going with the flow. My love for comics and having DC doing Marvel a solid by showing them that they can cater to their fans to with these games. It puts a smile on my face.

As for Injustice, I'm so stoked for this game. Not just because of what we been shown. The announcement trailer for me brought my hype level to over 9000. I love me some good marvel games but when it comes to DC man. I get those goose bumps you wouldn't believe.

So going back on what Black said. We really do have the best of both worlds and I could not be happier with the way that's handled. It offers more the the fans of comics and not staging them with only 1 portion from one franchise. That alone make me happy to be a comic buff/nerd.
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RE: New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
02/08/2013 12:00 AM EST
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Everyone is talking about Penguin and the Riddler but Two Face is next to Killer Croc's hand


Alright, I'll bite.....where at? grin


Look right next to Flashes chin. Looks like the good side of Two Face
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RE: New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
02/08/2013 12:03 AM EST
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X-Men may be a franchise, but it is not structured like other franchises and can't be approached the same way.

If that's how my point came across, then there's been a miscommunication. What I meant to say was that the Marvel characters you mentioned had a degree of autonomy that Batman villains do not.

I wasn't saying, "this character has his own comic series" to demonstrate how POPULAR they are. My point was that the character is self-sustaining. They can support their own arcs and storyline outside the context of the X-Men, which most Batman villains cannot do. And by extension, yes, they end up having sustaining fanbases because of that, too.
Agreed. Those aren't the characters I'm referring to. The guys on trial here are Killer Croc, Penguin, and really anyone who holds similar status in the Batman realm.

My point is that Magneto has outgrown the category. "Being an X-Men" is not his defining property, nor has it been for a long time. That's why I cry foul when people try to cap the X-Men inclusions because of his presence. This goes Double for Deadpool as his affiliation with X-Men is hardly a talking point if you ask me.

That's pretty much what I'm getting at. You can't approach X-Men the same way you approach Batman for story relevance. They have different character structures which are networked differently in their given universes.

Batman does not function in the DC universe the same way the X-Men functions in the Marvel universe. One is a single superhero who is central to the villains, supporting figures, and the surrounding conflicts around him (with exceptions, as stated above). The other is a body of heroes (most of them equal in relevance) who's villains overlap strongly into other parts of their respective universe. To compare the two is unfair from the get go.


You say the X-men are different, which I see the difference you are saying, but the fact is, all the X-men characters were made first as an X-men. They aren't a group composed of a bunch of different franchises, such as the Avengers or JLA, so counting them as 1 franchise should still be the case. Iceman, Beast, Colossus, Juggernaut, and Gambit etc. They do not have their own series, they are X-men, thus, they should count as part of the X-men franchise, which is still being represented moreso than Spider-man, Iron-Man, Hulk etc. Same goes for Batman. Batman has characters that have their own fan bases, enough to establish them as iconic and beyond just being a Batman character. So you say Deadpool and Magneto have that status, as would a Wolverine, well Batman has Nightwing, Catwoman, and Joker. And I know you agree, and those aren't the characters you are referring to. BUT, that changes things then.

If you admit those characters have their own status beyond Batman, then should they count as "Batman characters" then? Should it be said there's 5 Batman characters in the game, or should it be just 2? Bane and Harley. To which, even Harley has had her own starring role in comics as well, and quite the fanbase(she's easily in the top 5 most popular female characters). So what I am getting at, is if you are using the same rule for Deadpool and Magneto etc. Why not use the same for Catwoman, Nightwing, and Joker, maybe even Harley...? Just because the X-men are "different"? Which as I said, sure, they are a group of heroes...BUT, they were all created in that franchise, and remain there, the ones I listed in the first paragraph. So if they all make it in many of the Marvel games, why can't Batman feature the same thing? Just because Batman's are more villains rather than heroes, don't they hold the same weight? His villains have a bigger fanbase than most heroes do. So don't they kind of hold their own merit, for the most part(obviously not including Hugo, Black Mask, Ventriloquist, Mad Hatter etc. that aren't as iconic or loved).

Joker has outgrown being just a "Batman villain", so does that mean we should exclude him from the "Batman character" count? Same with Catwoman and Nightwing. My point being in ALL of this...is that people are acting as if guys like Riddler, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Black Mask, and Comissioner Gordon are all playable. Basically, any character that would still be considered mainly just a "Batman character". Guys that don't step out much beyond the Batman comics. Even though they are far more popular than anything you'll get from the rest of the DCU franchises. But that's not the case, we aren't just being filled up with Batman B and C listers. We are being given characters that started out in Batman, and have become so much more many years ago.

So to say "Man, what's with all the Batman characters, not more Batman characters, so sick of the Batman characters!" When we've been given Joker, Nightwing, Catwoman, Harley, and Bane. That's hardly just a bunch of "Batman characters", and that's why the statements make no sense to me.

But I think we're at a point where we are as close to agreeing as we're gonna get. So I have nothing left to add after this. lol
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RE: New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
02/08/2013 06:07 AM EST
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...and WHERE is Green Lantern gameplay for fuck sakes? C'mon NRS. You can tease Bat things any other time. Give me some god damn GL gameplay...


I get the impression that his moves were nowhere near ready and they only revealed him and Joker so early because their faces are on the game's cover art, which they wanted to start using in advertising.
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RE: New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
02/08/2013 06:34 AM EST
So... Injustice is set in Arkhamverse? tongue

I really dont think Croc is in this (As a playable) Looks like the same model as Arkham Asylum/City.

Body is ready.

Collector Whore Edition Preordered.

Also as much as I would like to see MK Vs DCU2: Crisis for Infinite Souls. Much rather see a comic book series at this point.

With a Harley/Mileena and Ivy spin off. Maybe Johnny Cage/Sonya and Power Girl one too.
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RE: New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
02/08/2013 03:42 PM EST
Kitana and Sonya could join Birds of Prey.
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RE: New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
02/09/2013 04:38 AM EST
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They could have 20 Batman characters. I wouldn't complain a bit.

Relax, people.

With there being 24-26 characters on the roster, plus an additional 6-8 DLC characters, it's OK if there's 6-8 "Batman characters". Sheesh. Do people complain in Marvel games that there's too many X-men characters? Too many Avengers? Seriously...


I haven't read through this whole thread yet, but I got halfway down the first page and felt I had to say...

As a moderately huge Marvel fan and a GIGANTICALLY huge X-Men fan, I'm here to tell you: yes. Yes they do. Immensely so.

Any large roster marvel game... god help the forum community on any given day when an additional X-Man is announced for the roster.

It IS a frequent point of complaint, and it IS much the same as this Batman situation here.

Avengers however, is a somewhat different situation, as virtually every Marvel Headliner ever (even a few X-Men) has been one at one point or another, so no. No one complains about Avengers, because pretty much everyone in the Marvel Universe is an Avenger.

But X-Men, as a large ensemble cast of 50+ characters contained mostly within their own brand for 40 or 50 years... more often than not take up a lot of spots, and draw the ire from Marvel fans who are not deeply ingrained in X-Men fandom.

You can have 25 Avengers in a game and still have a roster that spans the whole Marvel Universe. You cannot have 25 X-Men in a roster and do the same. However the sheer number of X-Men that exist usually leads to somewhere between 5 and 10 or even more of them making rosters for Marvel Games. Which is sometimes half the overall roster. Twisting the shorts of many a nerd who would rather have seen Nova, or Captain Marvel, or Dr. Strange... or some other Marvel Character who may have seen a moderate amount of singles success... but who gets beaten out by Iceman, who has never been big as a SINGLE character...but gets chosen over them because he has X-Men cred, and has a power that translates easily for fun in video games. (I shouldn't have to tell any of you old Sub-Zero fans why.)

Though, as a gigantically huge X-Men fan (as mentioned) I rarely if ever share in their complaint. I understand it... but I do not share in it.

Being as Batman is my favorite DC family of characters though, I find myself in much the same situation here. I understand the complaint... however I do not share in it.

The more Batman, the more I want this game, imo.
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RE: New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
02/09/2013 01:50 PM EST
MKvsDC is one of the worst things that had ever happened to the series. It's ugly mishmash of styles and rather pointless entry in the series.
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RE: New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
02/09/2013 02:08 PM EST
It's the second best of all the MK games of that era. Only MKDA is better. I liked MKvsDCU a A LOT. If only because Sonya had a kickass fatality that was long overdue in the main games.
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RE: New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
02/09/2013 02:22 PM EST
I HATE every mk game from that era. I could deal with the storyline but the actual gameplay was stiff and very awkward/unnatural to say the least. The combos weren't fluid and it became a mess have to switch fighting styles. Not to mention MKA where so many characters copied each others fighting styles. Hell the fatalities were some of the worst I've ever seen in those games. They weren't that original and it never had that true mk horror/shock factor like OMG what did I just see.
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RE: New Injustice Screenshot Reveals Killer Croc Among Us
02/09/2013 06:13 PM EST
You guys are speaking as though MKvsDC and MKD are even from the same era in the first place... which I personally wouldn't consider them to be.

MKDA, MKD and MKA are all PS2 and Xbox Vanilla games... built on the same engine, with the same graphical style, and similar gameplay.

MKvsDC was a PS3/360 game, built on a new engine, with all new graphics, and all new gameplay that laid the ground work for the improvements and changes they made in MK2011. THAT is the game it shares an era with... not MKD. MK2011 didn't start a new era, it was the second game of an era which MKvsDC had already begun.

Which coincidentally still makes MKvsDC the second best game of its era, but not as a backseat to MKD. :P

And frankly I think MKDA and MKA both have their upsides, and would still take either of them over MKvsDC, but that's mostly because I don't like sidestory, non-canon filler games. I'm perfectly willing to admit that Armageddon especially, made some horrible choices, but I still don't care for MKvsDC much at all, and while I've played it, it stands to this day as the only MK game I never felt a need to actually buy... and I still don't own it.
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