LMAO.


I think people may be putting waaayyyy too much stock in how much dlc there is gonna be. I see a lot of alternate costumes, maybe an arena or two...but the people guessing upwards of eight characters for dlc may be grasping at straws. Six tops would be my guess. I'd loved to be proven wrong, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

Agreed. I don't see any more than 6. They said they would have more DLC than MK9, which was 4, and I don't think they'd go for an uneven amount of characters, so the next logical number is 6. I'd be shocked to see 8.

More DLC doesn't even necessarily mean more characters anyway. DC has way more potential for alternate skins and arenas than Mortal Kombat. It might just be 4 characters and a fuckton of skins.

So Grundy makes the initial roster but MMH doesn't? C'mon Grundy?... Grundy? You can't be serious it's fucking Grundy? Possibly one of the lamest villains in the Batman continuom. How does Grundy make a story better? He can't say shit but a poem and his own name. Brainiac and MMH should have been locks over FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT GRUNDY. I'm not big into comic books but I know this is a travesty.

Btw I you haven't read the injustice comics go check Em out. They are damn good. DC has an app if you can't find the comics.

He is primarily a Green Lantern villian no?

oh wow this sucks. I was looking forward to Martian Manhunter to be revealed the most out of all the other rumored playables. My logic was that Netherrealm wanted to do its own story, not copy what is in the comics right now, hence all of the different designs, and Mortal Kombat-like darkness. But now we found out that they did what the New 52 did to the same character. I hope the next reveals make up for this

Also Solomon Grundy want pants too. That alone makes him worthy of a spot. I'm conflicted because so far I don't feel like we have any characters that don't deserve to be there just some that should also be added.

I really can't think of anyone who I personally feel 'takes up a spot unnecessarily'. Was really hoping for Martian Manhunter and Black Manta.


But look at it this way, 5 characters are almost guaranteed for DLC:

Martian Manhunter
Lobo
A Flash Villain
An Aquaman Villain
And A Female Character (Black Canary most likely)

1. Grundy isn't a Batman villain. He was originally a villain of Green Lantern Alan Scott. He has since become a main DCU villain, appearing in several of the hero's comics. He is also a member of the Legion of Doom.

2. Grundy is more recognizable than Martian Manhunter, from a casual audience's standpoint at least. Be it because of the poem, because of Arkham City, or them remembering him from the Legion of Doom or JLU series. And you can argue relevance all you want, but the reality of it is, Grundy's appearance in Arkham City, is fresher in most people's minds, than the JLU series from 10+ years ago, which also feastured Grundy btw.

3. Calling him the "lamest" is purely opinion. Does not discount his value or wether he "deserves" the spot.

4. Grundy can say things beyond the poem and his name. He just repeats the powem because he likes it. He refers to himself in third person much like the Hulk does. But he still talks and says more than just the poem and his name. "Can't stop Grundy" "Why Bird Lady save Grundy?" "Grundy go smash" "Grundy want soul back snake face!" etc.

Learn your facts before ranting and complaining because the character you PREFER, isn''t in the roster, thus making you feel the need to bash others who are.

I want Martian Manhunter in too, and he's a cool character, but dear God...a lot of MMH fans are starting to get really annoying. It's like a common trend: "Oh, the character I thought would be cool didn't make it, so now I will pick a character I don't care for or know much about, and say they should be the one left out instead!!!!!!1". I question exactly how much people even know about Martian Manhunter, as well as a lot of other characters they are throwing under the bus in favor of him. It seems like they see an actual MMH fan, Minion, and jump on the bandwagon even though they really weren't big fans of his before, and start making crazy butt hurt claims about other characters they don't even know the value of.

News flash:

They chose the characters for a reason. Taking Grundy out is not going to mean MMH is in. Why? Well first of all, the 2 serve COMPLETELY different purposes. Both in story, and in gameplay. So it's not as simple as, lets take out Grundy(the only grappler in the game), and put in MMH instead. Second of all, they have said they want an equal number of villains and heros in the game. Which they obviously are accomplishing, because if there's only 2 more characters to be revealed, they are both villains if they are the 2 we think they are. So taking out Grundy, a villain, would not mean MMH gets put in, it means another villain gets put in. So if you are going to make any sort of argument and throw someone needlessly under the bus, make it a hero, and good luck with that.

At the end of the day, it's all opinion and preference based. Just because you are a bigger fan of someone, than someone already in the game, doesn't mean you have to act like they DESERVE so much MORE than someone who is already in. Because they don't. It's not about deserving, it's about the story they want to tell, and the gameplay variety they want to offer. I wanted Doctor Fate, but you don't see me losing my cool and making posts throwing the choices they made under the bus just so he can be included.

Btw, Grundy is cool. Maybe if you looked at his history, learned more about the character, read stuff he was in, you'd like him a little more. What fan wouldn't appreciate a giant zombie who talks funny, can come back from the dead, and recites a memorable poem as he's stomping you into the ground or bashing you over the head with his own tombstone?

well hold on a second there lets say the first set of dlc does huge numbers what makes you think wb wont say we will fund nrs more cash to make more since money is the key thing here?

i think what they should do and this is my opinion

release 6 charachter packs of 3

first pack ( june 2013)

mmh

fire storm

zatana


second pack ( july 2013)

braniac
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general zod

captain cold

third pack ( august 2013)

metalo

bizzaro

medusa





fourth pack( september 2013)

red torando

captain atom

green lantern john stewart

fith pack ( october 2013)

statick shock

blue beetle

redhood/jason todd


sixth pack ( november 2013)

black hand

atrocitus

killer frost

As far as I'm concerned, Grundy's gameplay footage ALONE, justifies his appearance. Sick stuff. It's times like this that I hope Grundy is the hero of the entire game.

I feel for anyone that doesn't get their favorite character, but I assure you, when he finally gets his dlc reveal(and he will), it's gonna be huge and sell like gang busters.


*EDIT* Hold on there! Did they do that when MK9's dlc sold well?

You really want to pay $60+ for all them?

How much were the DLC characters in MK9? $5 per character, or $15 for 4. So if we have 18 characters as DLC, you are looking at $90 for all the characters individually, or probably $60 for all the bundles. That's ridiculous.

Other things to consider, if you know how game design works...

It takes money to create these things. So they need to make a good enough profit to make it worth it, You put out 6 DLC characters, for a reasonable price such as $20, people are likely to buy them. Because the 6 chosen, will be popular picks that people will likely want. And if people like the game, they'll be willing to fork over a little more to obtain it. Here's the problem. 18 characters, is a huge gamble on turning a profit. Asking your fans to pay $60-$90 extra, is a huge difference than $20-$30 extra. Also, the characters start becoming less popular and "must have" the more you start to try and offer. Remember, to turn a profit, you have to offer characters that appeal to ALL audiences, not just niche fanbases of super hardcore comic book fans. Most characters worth paying for that appeal to the masses, are already in the game. I can think of 6 for sure sellers that aren't. I can't think of 18. Let's look at your list:

**mmh
fire storm
zatana
**brainiac
**general zod
captain cold
metalo
**bizzaro
medusa
**red torando
captain atom
green lantern john stewart
statick shock
blue beetle
**redhood/jason todd
black hand
atrocitus
killer frost

From your list of 18, I highlighted the ones that actually MIGHT appeal to the general audiences. Mostly because of their appearance in a film, animated film, or are relevant enough to be known outside of comic book readers. The exclusion being Red Tornado, and I will get to that.

The rest, aren't known well enough, by look nor by name(Capatin Atom, Medusa, Zatanna, Firestorm etc.) to garner any real hype, or that "must have" feel, enough to warrant shelling out $5 for one. As well as some being too similar to what we already have(Atrocitus, John Stewart, Static Shock etc.), we already have 2 lanterns, and 2 electricity users, John is better suited as an alt. skin.

Now, of the 6 that are actually plausible to sell well, we have:

Martian Manhunter
Brainiac
Zod
Bizarro
Red Tornado
Red Hood

I included Red Tornado, because he actually has the look, a cool name, and the abilities to warrant DIFFERENT gameplay. Martian Manhunter is similar in reasoning, and his fanbase is a little less niche. However, the rest, are based purely on their appearances in either the upcoming Superman: Man of Steel(Zod) or Superman: Unbound animated movie(Brainiac), or their appearances in past films or animated movies. They could potentially sell. You HAVE to pick people who will sell enough to warrant the time, money, and effort put into them. Unless someone is a HUGE comic book fan, to know all these characters, and likes them enough, and has money to just throw around...most people aren't going to pay $5 each for the rest of the people up there, or over $60 for the lot. You may pay for them, but your average consumer doesn't care enough about most of those characters, known them, or want to waste their money after dropping $65 on the game itself. That's not a good business move.

Now, that's where we get to the next reasoning. TIME. It takes TIME to make these. You have to discuss who you want, then make concept art, then make models, then motion capture moves, then animate, then render, then write and create endings, and then test to work out any bugs/glitches. It takes time to do these things. 4 characters? My guess would be approx. 2 months. 18? We're talking approx. 8-10 months. Guess what? They have another game to make as soon as they are done with this current one. MK10 is sure to come in the next 3 years, and they can't be dedicating time and man power to a game that's already finished. They need to move on at some point.

My last point, is simply, from our end of things...gameplay. Right now, the 22 characters shown off, look awesome. They have put a ton of work in, and chose the right characters to ensure everyone looks/feels great and plays differently than the rest. Right now, they are putting in a ton of hours trying to polish things off and ensure it is as balanced as possible, so no one character gets left out, or too powerful. That's not easy, and is a constant process even after the game's release. With a likely roster of 24-26, that's no easy task. Now, add 18 characters to that. Now, all of a sudden, characters don't feel so unique anymore, you start having characters that feel/play too similar, and the even bigger issue, things get unbalanced that much easier. The more options you give, the harder it is to keep organized. It was a continuous struggle to fix things and keep things as balanced as possible in MK9 with 32 people after DLC, and you want them to do it with 42 characters?! Gameplay is going to SUFFER.

You can't just say "man, put more characters in, more characters in, more characters in!" and expect the same quality, attention to detail, and overall balanced gameplay with 42 characters, as you would with 32. It just doesn't work like that. It requires the phrase "Less is more".

A 24-26 character roster at launch is great. With 4-8 DLC characters to follow being a decent addition, with 6 being the ideal number. I can think of 6 that will sell to the masses, turn a profit, add unique gameplay, and managable to keep balance.

Remember, less is more. Gotta save some for next game.

Also, there is such a thing as too many characters. The more characters you have, the harder it is to balance a game.

Heh, I had that in my post. But I don't blame you for not wanting to read through all that. haha Just felt like really driving the point home, because a lot of people don't seem to understand all the factors why it wouldn't be a good idea.

I'm so sorry MINION.


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Whoever's Johnny Cage sig is that, what the fuck? hahahahaha

Damn, I got exposed. I read all the budgeting stuff and thought "yeah, that sounds about right... " and clicked reply.

Thanks bro, and to everyone else. Especially BlackCyborg. I know my ranting in the beginning was taken to far. But as a fan I had to try and cycle my energy and hopes together through ranting. I know MM will be strongly considered for DLC, if not already completed and ready to be seen at a later date. As black has said most DLC choices are chosen fairly early or near end build with most of the community's polls etc.

At first it was really hard to lock away my demand for him. And I still have it, but know for my best interest that "Good Things Come to Those Who Wait."

Not only that, Him being DLC means his creativeness i.e. specials/moves wont be rushed. They will have time to thaw out the possibilities and depth needed to make him feel hands on and approachable from the most die hard or fans to those just learning of him.

I really believe, he will appeal in looks and gameplay to the most common/un-common of fans throughout the community's.

I'm still excited for him appearance and confirmation. I will keep checking these boards for his announcements and what not even after launch. Rest assured.

Thanks again, everyone for all support, acknowledgement, and respect. That speaks volumes to me.

I'm pretty sure most DLC is developed at the same time as the game proper and just released later to stretch the life of the game.

I AM STILL FURIOUS THOUGH

we could've had it alllll~

As much as I wanted Martian Manhunter in as well, it will still be nice to see him get individualized spotlight as a DLC Character. Plus the want for him on neutral gaming sites that cover Injustice is off-the-charts!

This looks very likely, although I still think we should get more female characters in the game. We have, what, 6 out of 24 now? That's 25% of the roster. The really need to bring it up closer to 30-33%.

So let's say we get 6 DLC character (which I really doubt), then half of them should be female just to give the people who like to play with the ladies more options.

Martian Manhunter currently leading my TYM/MKU poll with 48 votes to 2nd place's 23 votes. He is KILLING IT.

That new interview (the language escapes me) claimed that Hector wanted to start hearing our desires for DLC. so head over to those threads and Vote! I will personally kiss anybody who throws a vote to scarecrow.

Mind adding my picks to the total? I don't feel like creating an account on TYM simply for the DLC thread.

1. Power Girl
2. Huntress (I can't believe nobody else has even mentioned her! )
3. Starfire
4. Zatanna

Thanks!

If we had an official DLC request thread. I could do it from there. But I don't want to be accused of altering the numbers. Make a thread, perhaps?

Right here.