So Johnny Cage is more powerful than Raiden, Fujin, Scorpion and Sub-Zer0..

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04/02/2015 09:08 AM EDT

So after watching Johnny Cage man handle Scorpion and Sub-Zero at the same time I thought to myself that's a bunch of B.S lol but now watching Raiden and Fujin get their asses kicked by Shinnok and Johnny coming to the rescue to defeat the Elder god really blew my mind!! Am I missing something...when did Johnny Cage become so powerful??

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04/02/2015 09:22 AM EDT

Johnny has always been one of the best on the roster, he's just always overlooked because of his comedic approach. To be honest he's always only been second to Liu. Lao couldn't beat Kahn in last years game. Johnny was one of the last survivors with Raiden. Raiden overtime has become very weak in power at least as far as I can remember. So Johnny truly is the only one left worthy or capable of being Raiden's champion while Liu is allegedly gone. Makes perfect sense really.

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04/02/2015 09:23 AM EDT

Don't try to take anything in cutscenes as 'character X is stronger than character Y'...

Johnny fought off Sub and Scorpion... but Sonya beat Sub-Zero and Kitana and Jade (at the same time) in MK9... and every other character beat all manner of characters at other points.

I've always treated characters in MK as being on a more-or-less even footing. Any character can potentially beat every other character - and you can't use 'but they have crazy magic powers' as justification, because power-less Stryker beat Ermac, after all.

Even 'gods' in the MK Universe aren't omnipotent or all-powerful.

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04/02/2015 09:39 AM EDT

samuhai Wrote:
Don't try to take anything in cutscenes as 'character X is stronger than character Y'...

Johnny fought off Sub and Scorpion... but Sonya beat Sub-Zero and Kitana and Jade (at the same time) in MK9... and every other character beat all manner of characters at other points.

I've always treated characters in MK as being on a more-or-less even footing. Any character can potentially beat every other character - and you can't use 'but they have crazy magic powers' as justification, because power-less Stryker beat Ermac, after all.

Even 'gods' in the MK Universe aren't omnipotent or all-powerful.

This, this and this.

Every one is one fairly equal ground.

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04/02/2015 09:47 AM EDT

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Johnny has always been one of the best on the roster, he's just always overlooked because of his comedic approach. To be honest he's always only been second to Liu. Lao couldn't beat Kahn in last years game. Johnny was one of the last survivors with Raiden. Raiden overtime has become very weak in power at least as far as I can remember. So Johnny truly is the only one left worthy or capable of being Raiden's champion while Liu is allegedly gone. Makes perfect sense really.

Lao was killed before they fought. Its very possible he could have

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04/02/2015 09:50 AM EDT

When Shinnok fought Fujin and Raiden he had the Amulet, when he fought Johnny he didn't.

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04/02/2015 09:50 AM EDT

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Johnny has always been one of the best on the roster, he's just always overlooked because of his comedic approach. To be honest he's always only been second to Liu. Lao couldn't beat Kahn in last years game. Johnny was one of the last survivors with Raiden. Raiden overtime has become very weak in power at least as far as I can remember. So Johnny truly is the only one left worthy or capable of being Raiden's champion while Liu is allegedly gone. Makes perfect sense really.

That's why I would hate it if those rumors are true. I would hate for them to kill off Johnny Cage just so Liu Kang can eventually play the big hero again.

Why couldn't this ending have happened?

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04/02/2015 09:51 AM EDT

Cage has always been powerful but there's clearly something going on with his powers in MKX. It sounds like they're taking inspiration from his MK9 ending and I hope they expand upon it.

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04/02/2015 09:51 AM EDT

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NostalgiaGod Wrote:
Johnny has always been one of the best on the roster, he's just always overlooked because of his comedic approach. To be honest he's always only been second to Liu. Lao couldn't beat Kahn in last years game. Johnny was one of the last survivors with Raiden. Raiden overtime has become very weak in power at least as far as I can remember. So Johnny truly is the only one left worthy or capable of being Raiden's champion while Liu is allegedly gone. Makes perfect sense really.

That's why I would hate it if those rumors are true. I would hate for them to kill off Johnny Cage just so Liu Kang can eventually play the big hero again.

You and me both man.

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04/02/2015 10:03 AM EDT

Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit.

Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang.

Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage.

Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang.

The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.

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04/02/2015 10:19 AM EDT

JC sucks. I wish they would kill him off and forget he even cursed his mother's name with his birth.

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04/02/2015 10:24 AM EDT

...This is not fucking Dragonball

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04/02/2015 10:45 AM EDT

He beat most of them up because it was his chapter.

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04/02/2015 10:50 AM EDT

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He beat most of them up because it was his chapter.

QFT.

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04/02/2015 10:59 AM EDT

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He beat most of them up because it was his chapter.

This!

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04/02/2015 11:09 AM EDT

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Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit.

Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang.

Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage.

Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang.

The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.

Johnny is second to Liu as far as heroes. It's not really an opinion, it's fact actually. What other hero after Liu truly could help Raiden while most the heroes are dead or possessed. Please tell me who.

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<div class="forumQuote"><strong>NostalgiaGod Wrote:</strong><br><div class="forumQuote"><strong>sharefrock Wrote:</strong><br>Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit. <br> <br>Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang. <br> <br>Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage. <br> <br>Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang. <br> <br>The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.</div> Johnny is second to Liu as far as heroes. It's not really an opinion, it's fact actually. What other hero after Liu truly could help Raiden while most the heroes are dead or possessed. Please tell me who.</div> <br> <br>Umm... Kenshi says Hi.

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04/02/2015 11:11 AM EDT

NostalgiaGod Wrote:

sharefrock Wrote:
Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit.

Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang.

Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage.

Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang.

The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.

Johnny is second to Liu as far as heroes. It's not really an opinion, it's fact actually. What other hero after Liu truly could help Raiden while most the heroes are dead or possessed. Please tell me who.

Umm... Kenshi says Hi.

<div class="forumQuote"><strong>sharefrock Wrote:</strong><br><div class="forumQuote"><strong>NostalgiaGod Wrote:</strong><br><div class="forumQuote"><strong>sharefrock Wrote:</strong><br>Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit. <br> <br>Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang. <br> <br>Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage. <br> <br>Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang. <br> <br>The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.</div> Johnny is second to Liu as far as heroes. It's not really an opinion, it's fact actually. What other hero after Liu truly could help Raiden while most the heroes are dead or possessed. Please tell me who.</div> <br> <br>Umm... Kenshi says Hi.</div> Over Johnny? Lol No. Johnny is more of a threat than Kenshi. So who else?

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04/02/2015 11:12 AM EDT

sharefrock Wrote:

NostalgiaGod Wrote:

sharefrock Wrote:
Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit.

Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang.

Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage.

Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang.

The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.

Johnny is second to Liu as far as heroes. It's not really an opinion, it's fact actually. What other hero after Liu truly could help Raiden while most the heroes are dead or possessed. Please tell me who.

Umm... Kenshi says Hi.

Over Johnny? Lol No. Johnny is more of a threat than Kenshi. So who else?

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<div class="forumQuote"><strong>NostalgiaGod Wrote:</strong><br><div class="forumQuote"><strong>sharefrock Wrote:</strong><br><div class="forumQuote"><strong>NostalgiaGod Wrote:</strong><br><div class="forumQuote"><strong>sharefrock Wrote:</strong><br>Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit. <br> <br>Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang. <br> <br>Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage. <br> <br>Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang. <br> <br>The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.</div> Johnny is second to Liu as far as heroes. It's not really an opinion, it's fact actually. What other hero after Liu truly could help Raiden while most the heroes are dead or possessed. Please tell me who.</div> <br> <br>Umm... Kenshi says Hi.</div> Over Johnny? Lol No. Johnny is more of a threat than Kenshi. So who else?</div> <br> <br>Why is Johnny more of a threat than Kenshi? Because you want him to be? <br> <br>You also have Sonya Blade. Now you are going to say "Johnny is more of a threat than Sonya" Which is just bullshit that you say because you know your argument is failing apart. <br> <br>Just because you love Johnny Cage doesn't mean he is the most powerful and the most worthy to be after Liu Kang.

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04/02/2015 11:17 AM EDT

NostalgiaGod Wrote:

sharefrock Wrote:

NostalgiaGod Wrote:

sharefrock Wrote:
Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit.

Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang.

Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage.

Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang.

The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.

Johnny is second to Liu as far as heroes. It's not really an opinion, it's fact actually. What other hero after Liu truly could help Raiden while most the heroes are dead or possessed. Please tell me who.

Umm... Kenshi says Hi.

Over Johnny? Lol No. Johnny is more of a threat than Kenshi. So who else?

Why is Johnny more of a threat than Kenshi? Because you want him to be?

You also have Sonya Blade. Now you are going to say "Johnny is more of a threat than Sonya" Which is just bullshit that you say because you know your argument is failing apart.

Just because you love Johnny Cage doesn't mean he is the most powerful and the most worthy to be after Liu Kang.

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04/02/2015 11:19 AM EDT

My argument isn't falling apart. Johnny survived many wars and more importantly the last one he was in. Johnny>Kenshi it's truly that simple. Johnny in the comics is considered Raiden's champion not Kenshi. Yup.

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04/02/2015 11:22 AM EDT

MK is really a Johnny Cage movie... Nothing new here.

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04/02/2015 11:22 AM EDT

Sonya Blade survived the same wars.

Johnny cage is called Raiden's champion because of that scene in Story mode where he laughably stood a chance against Shinnok which again is the fault of the chapter system.

If Johnny Cage is Raiden's champion then Sonya Blade is more powerful than Raiden because both things are a result of the chapter system.

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04/02/2015 11:24 AM EDT

Laughably? Ok dude. Lol Whatever helps you sleep at night. Fact is it happened and he's Raiden's champion for the time being or at least until we see the rest of story mode. So accept it or don't, the proof is in the story mode and the comics. And those are more important than my opinion or yours.

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04/02/2015 11:26 AM EDT

Everyone is not on equal footing. Their powers are just displayed inconsistently and they're all over the place. Raiden and Fujin were probably fighting non stop for hours they were exhausted out of their minds, even for gods. And Johnny did say something happen to him. Does anyone remember his ending in mk9? He has a massive hidden power within him, Shinnok probably awakened it somehow on accident. And even then, while there was a full fledged fight gameplay-wise in the actual story it just seemed like Johnny manage to get a good shot or two on Shinnok. Shinnok looked fine, it's not like he was battered, busted up, and bleeding from all cavities.

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04/02/2015 11:28 AM EDT

And in regards to that hidden power that was shown in his MK 9 ending it could be more powerful than we've yet to see. And that's why I also said he's even more of a threat that many want to accept. Shinnok looked visibly shaken when he saw Johnny's power.

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