So Johnny Cage is more powerful than Raiden, Fujin, Scorpion and Sub-Zer0..

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04/02/2015 02:20 PM EDT

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So after watching Johnny Cage man handle Scorpion and Sub-Zero at the same time I thought to myself that's a bunch of B.S lol but now watching Raiden and Fujin get their asses kicked by Shinnok and Johnny coming to the rescue to defeat the Elder god really blew my mind!! Am I missing something...when did Johnny Cage become so powerful??

Lol come on everybody knows that the chapter of the character ur using is usually the badass.. For that chapter and then he will be getting his ass beat... I think everybody puts a little too much thought into the story and especially how the story affects the roster but I just think they wanted to make it fun!

I'm more hype about this game then I have been for any game in a long, long time... MK9 years ago and SF4 before that.. The hype is real!!

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<div class="forumQuote">lastfighter89 Wrote: <div class="forumQuote">sharefrock Wrote: <div class="forumQuote">lastfighter89 Wrote: Wait. IF Johnny wins it's fault if the chapter system. If Kung Lao wins against Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, then KL is canonically stronger. Weak logic. Ps: Johnny defeated Scorpion, Kung Lao was humiliated by him. Pss: in the new storyline Cage is a god/demigod Psss: Johnny was chosen over Kung Lai, Jax and many ither to compete in the tenth MK tournament. Use your logic</div> Yep, like I said. Casuals are going to go completely stupid over this Story mode which fucks with the MK Canon. Make your mind, is Johnny Cage a god or a demigod, he can't be both. He isn't any but I'll entertain your flawed logic. Johnny Cage was defeated and humiliated by Ermac, Shao Kahn AND Sindel. At least Kung Lao defeated two Shokans. Who did Johnny Cage defeat? Sonya,Reptile,Baraka and Kano. Kung Lao defeated the DA,Kintaro,Goro and Noob-Saibot. And Shao Kahn was afraid to face him so he snapped his neck from behind without giving him a chance because he knew that he will lose to Kung Lao. You see how dumb your logic is? Everybody is going to look great in their chapter and that's where the chapter system fails. Johnny Cage is not as powerful as you guys are making him out to be, I don't think Johnny Cage is weak but he is no where near Liu Kang or Shinnok. If he was he would have defeated Shao Kahn instead of losing to Ermac. Use your logic.</div> I used a slash / because the san be one of them, god or demigod. And Johnny defeated Sonya which had her chapter in story mode. All the opponents in Kung Lao's chapter were jobbers. So yeah cage is stronger than Kung Lao.</div> Johnny defeated Sonya yes, but later Sonya defeated Kitana who later defeated Johnny, and he had Smoke's help.<div class="forumQuote">lastfighter89 Wrote: <div class="forumQuote">sharefrock Wrote: <div class="forumQuote">lastfighter89 Wrote: Wait. IF Johnny wins it's fault if the chapter system. If Kung Lao wins against Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, then KL is canonically stronger. Weak logic. Ps: Johnny defeated Scorpion, Kung Lao was humiliated by him. Pss: in the new storyline Cage is a god/demigod Psss: Johnny was chosen over Kung Lai, Jax and many ither to compete in the tenth MK tournament. Use your logic</div> Yep, like I said. Casuals are going to go completely stupid over this Story mode which fucks with the MK Canon. Make your mind, is Johnny Cage a god or a demigod, he can't be both. He isn't any but I'll entertain your flawed logic. Johnny Cage was defeated and humiliated by Ermac, Shao Kahn AND Sindel. At least Kung Lao defeated two Shokans. Who did Johnny Cage defeat? Sonya,Reptile,Baraka and Kano. Kung Lao defeated the DA,Kintaro,Goro and Noob-Saibot. And Shao Kahn was afraid to face him so he snapped his neck from behind without giving him a chance because he knew that he will lose to Kung Lao. You see how dumb your logic is? Everybody is going to look great in their chapter and that's where the chapter system fails. Johnny Cage is not as powerful as you guys are making him out to be, I don't think Johnny Cage is weak but he is no where near Liu Kang or Shinnok. If he was he would have defeated Shao Kahn instead of losing to Ermac. Use your logic.</div> I used a slash / because the san be one of them, god or demigod. And Johnny defeated Sonya which had her chapter in story mode. All the opponents in Kung Lao's chapter were jobbers. So yeah cage is stronger than Kung Lao.</div>

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04/02/2015 02:24 PM EDT

lastfighter89 Wrote:

sharefrock Wrote:

lastfighter89 Wrote:

Wait. IF Johnny wins it's fault if the chapter system. If Kung Lao wins against Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, then KL is canonically stronger. Weak logic.

Ps: Johnny defeated Scorpion, Kung Lao was humiliated by him.

Pss: in the new storyline Cage is a god/demigod

Psss: Johnny was chosen over Kung Lai, Jax and many ither to compete in the tenth MK tournament.

Use your logic

Yep, like I said. Casuals are going to go completely stupid over this Story mode which fucks with the MK Canon.

Make your mind, is Johnny Cage a god or a demigod, he can't be both. He isn't any but I'll entertain your flawed logic.

Johnny Cage was defeated and humiliated by Ermac, Shao Kahn AND Sindel.

At least Kung Lao defeated two Shokans. Who did Johnny Cage defeat? Sonya,Reptile,Baraka and Kano.

Kung Lao defeated the DA,Kintaro,Goro and Noob-Saibot. And Shao Kahn was afraid to face him so he snapped his neck from behind without giving him a chance because he knew that he will lose to Kung Lao.

You see how dumb your logic is? Everybody is going to look great in their chapter and that's where the chapter system fails. Johnny Cage is not as powerful as you guys are making him out to be, I don't think Johnny Cage is weak but he is no where near Liu Kang or Shinnok.

If he was he would have defeated Shao Kahn instead of losing to Ermac.

Use your logic.

I used a slash / because the san be one of them, god or demigod.

And Johnny defeated Sonya which had her chapter in story mode.
All the opponents in Kung Lao's chapter were jobbers.

So yeah cage is stronger than Kung Lao.

Johnny defeated Sonya yes, but later Sonya defeated Kitana who later defeated Johnny, and he had Smoke's help.

lastfighter89 Wrote:

sharefrock Wrote:

lastfighter89 Wrote:

Wait. IF Johnny wins it's fault if the chapter system. If Kung Lao wins against Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, then KL is canonically stronger. Weak logic.

Ps: Johnny defeated Scorpion, Kung Lao was humiliated by him.

Pss: in the new storyline Cage is a god/demigod

Psss: Johnny was chosen over Kung Lai, Jax and many ither to compete in the tenth MK tournament.

Use your logic

Yep, like I said. Casuals are going to go completely stupid over this Story mode which fucks with the MK Canon.

Make your mind, is Johnny Cage a god or a demigod, he can't be both. He isn't any but I'll entertain your flawed logic.

Johnny Cage was defeated and humiliated by Ermac, Shao Kahn AND Sindel.

At least Kung Lao defeated two Shokans. Who did Johnny Cage defeat? Sonya,Reptile,Baraka and Kano.

Kung Lao defeated the DA,Kintaro,Goro and Noob-Saibot. And Shao Kahn was afraid to face him so he snapped his neck from behind without giving him a chance because he knew that he will lose to Kung Lao.

You see how dumb your logic is? Everybody is going to look great in their chapter and that's where the chapter system fails. Johnny Cage is not as powerful as you guys are making him out to be, I don't think Johnny Cage is weak but he is no where near Liu Kang or Shinnok.

If he was he would have defeated Shao Kahn instead of losing to Ermac.

Use your logic.

I used a slash / because the san be one of them, god or demigod.

And Johnny defeated Sonya which had her chapter in story mode.
All the opponents in Kung Lao's chapter were jobbers.

So yeah cage is stronger than Kung Lao.

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04/02/2015 03:15 PM EDT

The logic on all sides in this thread got me like

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04/02/2015 03:20 PM EDT

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The logic on all sides in this thread got me like

Agreed.

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04/02/2015 03:26 PM EDT

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My argument isn't falling apart. Johnny survived many wars and more importantly the last one he was in. Johnny>Kenshi it's truly that simple. Johnny in the comics is considered Raiden's champion not Kenshi. Yup.

Johhny Cage didn't survive Sindel's rampage thing. He just plain wasn't there.

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04/02/2015 03:30 PM EDT

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NostalgiaGod Wrote:
My argument isn't falling apart. Johnny survived many wars and more importantly the last one he was in. Johnny>Kenshi it's truly that simple. Johnny in the comics is considered Raiden's champion not Kenshi. Yup.

Johhny Cage didn't survive Sindel's rampage thing. He just plain wasn't there.

Unless he was in the washroom when she went apeshit on the cast, I recall he was

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04/02/2015 03:33 PM EDT

To be a "champion" of something don't you have to actually, you know, win it? Perhaps something like a tournament? If only there were some tournament in place where Johnny could showcase his talents and then win the whole darn thing. Oh wait...

If you want to call him Raiden's representative or "chosen one" that's fine. But Johnny Cage isn't the champion of anything yet.

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04/02/2015 03:35 PM EDT

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Unless he was in the washroom when she went apeshit on the cast, I recall he was

He was. Him and Sonya both were knocked out. They were just lucky enough not to get a heel in the neck, or their necks snapped.

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<div class="forumQuote">sharefrock Wrote: Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit. Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang. Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage. Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang. The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.</div>you do know that in any chapter you play as any character, that character beats anyone they throw at him/her, right? And in the next chapters he get jobbed right? Going to tell you right now that Johnny Cage will get beaten/lose fights in the other chapters he isn't playable. It's just how it is. For the duration of their chapter, any character is the best one.

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04/02/2015 03:35 PM EDT

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Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit.

Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang.

Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage.

Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang.

The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.

you do know that in any chapter you play as any character, that character beats anyone they throw at him/her, right? And in the next chapters he get jobbed right?

Going to tell you right now that Johnny Cage will get beaten/lose fights in the other chapters he isn't playable.

It's just how it is. For the duration of their chapter, any character is the best one.

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04/02/2015 03:38 PM EDT

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sickoftakenusernames Wrote:
Unless he was in the washroom when she went apeshit on the cast, I recall he was

He was. Him and Sonya both were knocked out. They were just lucky enough not to get a heel in the neck, or their necks snapped.

That's what I figured.

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04/02/2015 03:40 PM EDT

If the story mode fights truly went by who was supposed to be more 'powerful', they'd end up a lot different.

Some events are just used to further the plot, not necessarily say 'hey, i played this character in their chapter and they beat _____ therefore it's canonically confirmed that they're stronger'.

<div class="forumQuote">Zephyrus Wrote: <div class="forumQuote">sharefrock Wrote: Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit. Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang. Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage. Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang. The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.</div>you do know that in any chapter you play as any character, that character beats anyone they throw at him/her, right? And in the next chapters he get jobbed right? Going to tell you right now that Johnny Cage will get beaten/lose fights in the other chapters he isn't playable. It's just how it is. For the duration of their chapter, any character is the best one. </div> Why are you telling me this? Tell this to the people who think Johnny Cage won all the fights for a reason other than it's his chapter and he HAS to win, not he can or can't. In MK9 after Johnny Cage's chapter ended, he was the biggest loser ever. He was just a punching bag like Reptile,Baraka,Sheeva,Goro,Ermac and the other characters. When it is not your chapter, you will be the biggest loser, when it is, you'll be the most badass person on this earth, simple as that. Johnny Cage is not as powerful as people make him out to be. I really like Johnny Cage but I hate the Story and how they go with it, because it makes casuals think Goro is useless and Johnny Cage is the most powerful character ever. <div class="forumQuote">razz2d2 Wrote: If the story mode fights truly went by who was supposed to be more 'powerful', they'd end up a lot different. Some events are just used to further the plot, not necessarily say 'hey, i played this character in their chapter and they beat _____ therefore it's canonically confirmed that they're stronger'. </div> Quoted for truth. The only truth.

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04/02/2015 03:41 PM EDT

Zephyrus Wrote:

sharefrock Wrote:
Johnny Cage second to Liu Kang? Pffttt. Get the hell out of here with that shit.

Johnny Cage couldn't beat Ermac but Stryker won against Ermac so Stryker by your logic is better than Johnny Cage and therefore he is second to Liu Kang.

Kung Lao won against both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, he won against the fucking DA, so by your logic again, Kung Lao is better than Johnny Cage.

Johnny Cage is a powerful fighter and I like him but to even compare him to Liu Kang or Kung Lao is just laughable, he would never ever be able beat Kung Lao or Liu Kang.

The chapter system just makes casuals talk none sense, lol.

you do know that in any chapter you play as any character, that character beats anyone they throw at him/her, right? And in the next chapters he get jobbed right?

Going to tell you right now that Johnny Cage will get beaten/lose fights in the other chapters he isn't playable.

It's just how it is. For the duration of their chapter, any character is the best one.

Why are you telling me this? Tell this to the people who think Johnny Cage won all the fights for a reason other than it's his chapter and he HAS to win, not he can or can't.

In MK9 after Johnny Cage's chapter ended, he was the biggest loser ever. He was just a punching bag like Reptile,Baraka,Sheeva,Goro,Ermac and the other characters.

When it is not your chapter, you will be the biggest loser, when it is, you'll be the most badass person on this earth, simple as that.

Johnny Cage is not as powerful as people make him out to be. I really like Johnny Cage but I hate the Story and how they go with it, because it makes casuals think Goro is useless and Johnny Cage is the most powerful character ever.

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If the story mode fights truly went by who was supposed to be more 'powerful', they'd end up a lot different.

Some events are just used to further the plot, not necessarily say 'hey, i played this character in their chapter and they beat _____ therefore it's canonically confirmed that they're stronger'.

Quoted for truth. The only truth.

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04/02/2015 04:02 PM EDT

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To be a "champion" of something don't you have to actually, you know, win it? Perhaps something like a tournament? If only there were some tournament in place where Johnny could showcase his talents and then win the whole darn thing. Oh wait...

If you want to call him Raiden's representative or "chosen one" that's fine. But Johnny Cage isn't the champion of anything yet.

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04/02/2015 05:09 PM EDT

Warbro666 Wrote:
Everyone in here keeps saying he "beat" Shinnok. Last I checked, he distracted him long enough for Raiden to trap him in the amulet. He's not dead and he's certainly not beaten by any means.

You are correct. Shinnok can't be beaten. That's why they use the amulet to imprison him once again.

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04/02/2015 05:25 PM EDT

Johnny is one of the more powerful heroes. Definitely above every other hero except Liu Kang, Raiden and Fujin. (Maybe Kung Lao too)

You guys do remember that in MK Armageddon Johnny was the one who rounded all of the good guys up for that last fight because Liu Kang was dead? Netherrealm definitely has him as the one in command if Liu or Raiden isn't there.

There's definitely a reason he's stronger than most though, probably because of his unknown lineage like his MK9 ending stated.

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04/02/2015 05:28 PM EDT

Johnny Cage being the new Earthrealm "champion" in the storyline is the equivalent of winning the WWE World Heavyweight title at a house show.
And Armageddon doesn't mean anything now.

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04/02/2015 06:00 PM EDT

Shadaloo Wrote:
...This is not fucking Dragonball

But it's over 9000

Johnny is definitely the auxiliary hero after Kang. He's Liu Kang's main sidekick along with Sonya.

However I think it's important to note that Johnny didn't beat Shinnok in Mortal Kombat. He fought him didn't kill him or defeat him in anyway but he did get that amulet to Raiden who contained him. Had that not happened Shinnok probably would've killed them all.

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<div class="forumQuote">Primo585 Wrote: <div class="forumQuote">spazz Wrote: So after watching Johnny Cage man handle Scorpion and Sub-Zero at the same time I thought to myself that's a bunch of B.S lol but now watching Raiden and Fujin get their asses kicked by Shinnok and Johnny coming to the rescue to defeat the Elder god really blew my mind!! Am I missing something...when did Johnny Cage become so powerful??</div> Lol come on everybody knows that the chapter of the character ur using is usually the badass.. For that chapter and then he will be getting his ass beat... I think everybody puts a little too much thought into the story and especially how the story affects the roster but I just think they wanted to make it fun! I'm more hype about this game then I have been for any game in a long, long time... MK9 years ago and SF4 before that.. The hype is real!! FIGHT!!</div> Nightwolf's MK9 chapter proves that the character your using is not above getting killed during the aftermath of a fight. Johnny surviving has to count for something in terms of power.

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04/02/2015 10:03 PM EDT

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spazz Wrote:
So after watching Johnny Cage man handle Scorpion and Sub-Zero at the same time I thought to myself that's a bunch of B.S lol but now watching Raiden and Fujin get their asses kicked by Shinnok and Johnny coming to the rescue to defeat the Elder god really blew my mind!! Am I missing something...when did Johnny Cage become so powerful??

Lol come on everybody knows that the chapter of the character ur using is usually the badass.. For that chapter and then he will be getting his ass beat... I think everybody puts a little too much thought into the story and especially how the story affects the roster but I just think they wanted to make it fun!

I'm more hype about this game then I have been for any game in a long, long time... MK9 years ago and SF4 before that.. The hype is real!!

FIGHT!!

Nightwolf's MK9 chapter proves that the character your using is not above getting killed during the aftermath of a fight. Johnny surviving has to count for something in terms of power.

... here's your Subzero, now plain zero.

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04/02/2015 11:24 PM EDT

Shadaloo Wrote:
...This is not fucking Dragonball

Right? What fun is it to have characters be automatically better than others? Would it really make any sense for Johnny Cage, Sonya, etc. to have lasted this long in the series if they weren't any good at fighting?

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04/03/2015 09:53 AM EDT

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NostalgiaGod Wrote:
My argument isn't falling apart. Johnny survived many wars and more importantly the last one he was in. Johnny>Kenshi it's truly that simple. Johnny in the comics is considered Raiden's champion not Kenshi. Yup.

Johhny Cage didn't survive Sindel's rampage thing. He just plain wasn't there.

He was there. He lined up next to Smoke for the big battle. You might be thinking of Liu Kang who went with Raiden to speak to the Elder Gods while the Cyber-Ninja battle and Super-Sindel massacre was going on.

Why couldn't this ending have happened?

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