So Johnny Cage is more powerful than Raiden, Fujin, Scorpion and Sub-Zer0..
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04/02/2015 10:28 AM EST
Lol because it was his chapter, he has to win every fight he is in, the same thing will happen with every other character that's gets a chapter, they will win all of their fights, at least the ones that are controlled by us (The players)

I do think Johnny is genuinely strong though
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04/02/2015 10:31 AM EST
He is the Jewel in the center of the Amulet, kontaining Shinny?

Maybe Johnny Cage is a descendant of Shinnok?

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04/02/2015 10:47 AM EST
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Johnny has always been one of the best on the roster, he's just always overlooked because of his comedic approach. To be honest he's always only been second to Liu. Lao couldn't beat Kahn in last years game. Johnny was one of the last survivors with Raiden. Raiden overtime has become very weak in power at least as far as I can remember. So Johnny truly is the only one left worthy or capable of being Raiden's champion while Liu is allegedly gone. Makes perfect sense really.


That's why I would hate it if those rumors are true. I would hate for them to kill off Johnny Cage just so Liu Kang can eventually play the big hero again.
You and me both man.


Thanks. I like Liu, but I am tired of him constantly being the big hero.
Why couldn't this ending have happened?
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04/02/2015 11:23 AM EST
Ill just say this. I didn't see Kenshi, Sub-Zero, Kitana, Sonya, or Kung Lao lead the good guys in Armageddon. NRS seem to think Johnny is the back up for Raiden and Liu Kang. This is why he survived MK9 and this is why he was the one who got the better of Shinnok. In the comic he is Raidens champion. As of now he is Raidens go to guy.
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04/02/2015 11:53 AM EST
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Sonya Blade survived the same wars.

Johnny cage is called Raiden's champion because of that scene in Story mode where he laughably stood a chance against Shinnok which again is the fault of the chapter system.

If Johnny Cage is Raiden's champion then Sonya Blade is more powerful than Raiden because both things are a result of the chapter system.


Wait. IF Johnny wins it's fault if the chapter system. If Kung Lao wins against Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, then KL is canonically stronger. Weak logic.


Ps: Johnny defeated Scorpion, Kung Lao was humiliated by him.

Pss: in the new storyline Cage is a god/demigod

Psss: Johnny was chosen over Kung Lai, Jax and many ither to compete in the tenth MK tournament.


Use your logic
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04/02/2015 12:17 PM EST
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Wait. IF Johnny wins it's fault if the chapter system. If Kung Lao wins against Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, then KL is canonically stronger. Weak logic.


Ps: Johnny defeated Scorpion, Kung Lao was humiliated by him.

Pss: in the new storyline Cage is a god/demigod

Psss: Johnny was chosen over Kung Lai, Jax and many ither to compete in the tenth MK tournament.


Use your logic


Yep, like I said. Casuals are going to go completely stupid over this Story mode which fucks with the MK Canon.

Make your mind, is Johnny Cage a god or a demigod, he can't be both. He isn't any but I'll entertain your flawed logic.

Johnny Cage was defeated and humiliated by Ermac, Shao Kahn AND Sindel.

At least Kung Lao defeated two Shokans. Who did Johnny Cage defeat? Sonya,Reptile,Baraka and Kano.

Kung Lao defeated the DA,Kintaro,Goro and Noob-Saibot. And Shao Kahn was afraid to face him so he snapped his neck from behind without giving him a chance because he knew that he will lose to Kung Lao.

You see how dumb your logic is? Everybody is going to look great in their chapter and that's where the chapter system fails. Johnny Cage is not as powerful as you guys are making him out to be, I don't think Johnny Cage is weak but he is no where near Liu Kang or Shinnok.

If he was he would have defeated Shao Kahn instead of losing to Ermac.

Use your logic.
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04/02/2015 12:31 PM EST
The logic remains, Johnny is the second chosen one for the time being. I don't see how hard that is to accept. It's right in front of you. Liu is gone so Johnny is going to give a crack at defending them realms this time. And he deserves it to be honest. He's always the joke character but guess what? He' actually is one of the few who have character progress. At least he's evolving with his character unlike Scorpion and many others with a stale backstory and stale character development. Do I think Johnny is the greatest character? Of course not. Is he my favorite? Hell yes. But I'm not being biased but being a realist. Johnny is truly Raiden's champion right now. Would I be mad if it turned out to be someone else and they killed Johnny off? Nope. Because I'm happy for once Johnny is getting a serious chance ti step up and be a leader.
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04/02/2015 12:40 PM EST
Why does it have to be Johnny?

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Is he my favorite? Hell yes.


Exactly.

The only reason you want it to be Johnny is because he is your or at least one of your favorites. I like Johnny Cage a lot and he is one of my favorites but I see the facts, Johnny Cage is not the only earth defender left and he is not the only powerful one.

Kenshi is just as powerful if not more and Sonya Blade is powerful as well.

Why can't any of those two be? why can't all of the three of them be the defenders instead of just one and why does it have to be Johnny Cage?

Because of what we saw in the Story mode which we already know only exists because it was Johnny's chapter. If that chapter was for Sonya, Johnny cage would have looked like the biggest pussy ever.

What I'm trying to say is, I like Johnny Cage but taking the fights in Johnny Cage's chapter or any other character's chapters, seriously, is just not a really good idea.

We already know the chapter system is flawed as hell and it certainly is flawed in Johnny Cage's chapter and all the others.
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04/02/2015 12:44 PM EST
I clearly said if it wasn't him I wouldn't be upset. Up course I want my favorite to be the champion. Who the hell wouldn't want their favorite to be champion? But it's not about what I want. THE FACT FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEE SO FAR, IS THAT JOHNNY IS RAIDEN'S CHAMPION. It's right in front of you in the first 25 minutes of the story mode. It's in the comics. For the time being Johnny is Raiden's champion. 'm not saying that because I want it to be Johnny. I'm saying it because that's what is being show to us right now. But if it's also Kenshi, I'll take him too. Kenshi is a great character as well. I'm down for that.
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04/02/2015 12:48 PM EST
Johnny Cage wrecked Goro, while the elder KL got his ass beat to the ground by Goro and killed. So yeah, give Cage some credit where credit is due.
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04/02/2015 12:49 PM EST
I know what you are saying but the only reason that happened as I already told you 10 times is because it was Johnny Cage's chapter. That's why he stood a chance against Shinnok and that's why he was called that.

Johnny cage is not as powerful as you think, just wait till we get to Sonya blade's chapter and then Johnny Cage will be getting his ass kicked left and right.

If you are going with the flawed Story they have then yes, they "call" him Raiden's champion. Doesn't mean he is second to Liu Kang or as powerful as Kenshi.
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04/02/2015 12:49 PM EST
So people have generally accepted that Liu Kang is more skillfully adept than JC?

By this logic, Bo' Rai Cho is more skilled than JC as well. tongue
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04/02/2015 12:52 PM EST
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So people have generally accepted that Liu Kang is more skillfully adept than JC?

By this logic, Bo' Rai Cho is more skilled than JC as well. tongue


I really don't get bo rai cho power. Hahahaha oh well. Raiden is going to get attacked and bo rai cho is going to puke on the demons to save him hahaha
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04/02/2015 12:53 PM EST
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I know what you are saying but the only reason that happened as I already told you 10 times is because it was Johnny Cage's chapter. That's why he stood a chance against Shinnok and that's why he was called that.

Johnny cage is not as powerful as you think, just wait till we get to Sonya blade's chapter and then Johnny Cage will be getting his ass kicked left and right.

If you are going with the flawed Story they have then yes, they "call" him Raiden's champion. Doesn't mean he is second to Liu Kang or as powerful as Kenshi.
Again what makes Kenshi more powerful than Johnny? Because he has telekinetic power?
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04/02/2015 12:54 PM EST
They couldve just given Kenshi the first chapter if NRS didn't think Johnny was strong enough to beat Shinnok.
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04/02/2015 12:54 PM EST
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So people have generally accepted that Liu Kang is more skillfully adept than JC?

By this logic, Bo' Rai Cho is more skilled than JC as well. tongue


Bo' Rai Cho could kill 75% of the kast if he wasn't so drunk all the time. tongue
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04/02/2015 12:57 PM EST
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sharefrock Wrote:
I know what you are saying but the only reason that happened as I already told you 10 times is because it was Johnny Cage's chapter. That's why he stood a chance against Shinnok and that's why he was called that.

Johnny cage is not as powerful as you think, just wait till we get to Sonya blade's chapter and then Johnny Cage will be getting his ass kicked left and right.

If you are going with the flawed Story they have then yes, they "call" him Raiden's champion. Doesn't mean he is second to Liu Kang or as powerful as Kenshi.
Again what makes Kenshi more powerful than Johnny? Because he has telekinetic power?


I could easily ask you the same question. What makes Johnny Cage more worthy than or powerful than Kenshi?
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04/02/2015 01:02 PM EST
sharefrock Wrote:
NostalgiaGod Wrote:
sharefrock Wrote:
I know what you are saying but the only reason that happened as I already told you 10 times is because it was Johnny Cage's chapter. That's why he stood a chance against Shinnok and that's why he was called that.

Johnny cage is not as powerful as you think, just wait till we get to Sonya blade's chapter and then Johnny Cage will be getting his ass kicked left and right.

If you are going with the flawed Story they have then yes, they "call" him Raiden's champion. Doesn't mean he is second to Liu Kang or as powerful as Kenshi.
Again what makes Kenshi more powerful than Johnny? Because he has telekinetic power?


I could easily ask you the same question. What makes Johnny Cage more worthy than or powerful than Kenshi?
Because he's champion. Champion of Mortal Kombat is clearly the best that Raiden has to offer at the current moment. It's Johnny not Kenshi. Also Johnny's green energy shielded and protected the three of them combined. Kenshi didn't do anything like that. This debate is silly. Fact is for right now for the 100th time Johnny being champion proves to me Johnny>Kenshi in form of skill.
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04/02/2015 01:02 PM EST
1) Don't take anything in MK seriously. Everything is there to serve a fighting game, and if not, it's serving the ludicrously stupid plot.

2) Raiden and Fujin lost to Shinnok's amulet. Maybe Johnny was lucky Shinnok didn't have his amulet? And it didn't look like Johnny defeated Shinnok, more like distracted him long enough for Raiden to grab the amulet.
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04/02/2015 01:02 PM EST
Everyone in here keeps saying he "beat" Shinnok. Last I checked, he distracted him long enough for Raiden to trap him in the amulet. He's not dead and he's certainly not beaten by any means.
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04/02/2015 01:02 PM EST
What is this argument??? Lol
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04/02/2015 01:10 PM EST
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unleash_your_tounge Wrote:
So people have generally accepted that Liu Kang is more skillfully adept than JC?

By this logic, Bo' Rai Cho is more skilled than JC as well. tongue


Bo' Rai Cho could kill 75% of the kast if he wasn't so drunk all the time. tongue


Damn straight! His bio even gave me the impression that he was confident enough to win that tournament. "I do not participate for fear of earning victory in Outworld's favor."

Yezzir. He's tooting (pun possibly intended wink) his own horn there but with an air of tasteful modesty.

God I love Bo. Still hoping he makes the second wave of DLC.
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04/02/2015 01:11 PM EST
If an elder god needs an amulet to beat two lower gods and a few humans then how powerful is Shinnok really? Johnny Cage is a human who throws green stuff and he held his own against the ruler of hell.
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04/02/2015 01:20 PM EST
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sharefrock Wrote:
NostalgiaGod Wrote:
sharefrock Wrote:
I know what you are saying but the only reason that happened as I already told you 10 times is because it was Johnny Cage's chapter. That's why he stood a chance against Shinnok and that's why he was called that.

Johnny cage is not as powerful as you think, just wait till we get to Sonya blade's chapter and then Johnny Cage will be getting his ass kicked left and right.

If you are going with the flawed Story they have then yes, they "call" him Raiden's champion. Doesn't mean he is second to Liu Kang or as powerful as Kenshi.
Again what makes Kenshi more powerful than Johnny? Because he has telekinetic power?


I could easily ask you the same question. What makes Johnny Cage more worthy than or powerful than Kenshi?
Because he's champion. Champion of Mortal Kombat is clearly the best that Raiden has to offer at the current moment. It's Johnny not Kenshi. Also Johnny's green energy shielded and protected the three of them combined. Kenshi didn't do anything like that. This debate is silly. Fact is for right now for the 100th time Johnny being champion proves to me Johnny>Kenshi in form of skill.


When in the hell did Johnny Cage win the MK tournament he lost to Ermac. But let's go by your logic and consider the Story mode to be 100% correct.

If so then Sonya Blade is more powerful than Raiden and should replace him as the god protector of Earth... o.O

Again the chapter system is bullshit and whoever you are playing as in the chapter will always win and look good while the other characters will be considered support characters that get their ass kicked left and right. I can't wait to see your reaction when we are in the Sonya Blade chapter and Johnny Cage becomes the biggest loser in the game like he was in MK9 after his chapter he lost every single match.

Lord_Greyjoy Wrote:
1) Don't take anything in MK seriously. Everything is there to serve a fighting game, and if not, it's serving the ludicrously stupid plot.


Exactly.
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Wait. IF Johnny wins it's fault if the chapter system. If Kung Lao wins against Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, then KL is canonically stronger. Weak logic.


Ps: Johnny defeated Scorpion, Kung Lao was humiliated by him.

Pss: in the new storyline Cage is a god/demigod

Psss: Johnny was chosen over Kung Lai, Jax and many ither to compete in the tenth MK tournament.


Use your logic


Yep, like I said. Casuals are going to go completely stupid over this Story mode which fucks with the MK Canon.

Make your mind, is Johnny Cage a god or a demigod, he can't be both. He isn't any but I'll entertain your flawed logic.

Johnny Cage was defeated and humiliated by Ermac, Shao Kahn AND Sindel.

At least Kung Lao defeated two Shokans. Who did Johnny Cage defeat? Sonya,Reptile,Baraka and Kano.

Kung Lao defeated the DA,Kintaro,Goro and Noob-Saibot. And Shao Kahn was afraid to face him so he snapped his neck from behind without giving him a chance because he knew that he will lose to Kung Lao.

You see how dumb your logic is? Everybody is going to look great in their chapter and that's where the chapter system fails. Johnny Cage is not as powerful as you guys are making him out to be, I don't think Johnny Cage is weak but he is no where near Liu Kang or Shinnok.

If he was he would have defeated Shao Kahn instead of losing to Ermac.

Use your logic.




I used a slash / because the san be one of them, god or demigod.

And Johnny defeated Sonya which had her chapter in story mode.
All the opponents in Kung Lao's chapter were jobbers.

So yeah cage is stronger than Kung Lao.