Best: Shinnok ( dduh!)
Worst: Kobra, Meat, Mokap, Chameleon,Nightwolf, Bo Rai Cho, Jarek, Kano,

You should add Kitnan to the best list in my opinion, and Stryker and SHeeva to the worst.

I'll list the ones I can think of for now:

Best:

Sub-Zero
Shang Tsung
Havik
Shao Kahn
Sareena
Ermac
Raiden
Quan Chi
Mileena

Worst:

Sheeva
Moloch
Mokap
Chameleon
Scorpion (post-retcon)
Meat
Jarek
Kobra
Jax
Kai

Best:
Sub-Zero
Kitana
Li Mei
Mileena
Sonya
Sareena
Ermac
Kenshi
Havik
Kung Lao
Raiden
Fujin
Shang Tsung
Sektor
Quan Chi

Worst:
Chameleon
Post-recton Scorpion
Meat
Kano
Mokap
Kobra
Jarek
Shujinko
EDIT: Hsu Hao

*The Best*
Jax
Quan Chi
Scorpion
Subzero
Raiden
Liu Kang
Kitana
Sonya


*The Worst*
Mokap.

The worst character ever made was Mokap hands down. The Special Forces too, ruined MK. Meat wouldn't be so bad if maybe, he had a different name, and possibly a better storyline.

Other than that I can tolerate the rest.

Nahhh, MK:SF dude didn't ruin MK.It's only the worst MK adventure games


But MK:SM kicked ass and MK:M Sub-Zero is a fun game just not as fun as MK:SM.


Anyway, lol I've noticed the subby fans don't like scorpion in here

LOL.

MKSM kicked ass as far as gameplay, but story, no. MKM Sub-Zero was the best adventure game for story, and the gameplay was respectful.

Like RaisnCain said, MKSM had great gameplay, but the story was garbage.

Regarding Scorpion, he has become horrendous ever since either MK4 or MKDA.

If you haven't already done so, please click here and go to my huge post that goes into detail as to what is wrong with Scorpion and how he can be fixed.

Anyway, I'm surprised you put Sheeva as one of the best characters. I personally never cared for her and found her to be lackluster and unappealing. I guess maybe I just don't care for the Shokan characters overall. Her presence in MKA has so far done nothing to make me hate her less.

Best: Frost

Worst: Hsu Hao

Best:
Johnny Cage
Smoke
Stryker
Kabal
Sub-Zero
Kenshi
Scorpion
Kai
Jarek
Kano
Kung lao
Liu kang
Raiden
Rain
Reptile
Ermac
Noob
Sektor
Cyrax
Sheeva
Nightwolf
Motaro
Goro
Reiko
Shinnok.

Worst:
Meat
Mokap
Blaze
Boraicho
Darrius
Kobra
Hotaru
Diaruo
Asrah.
Those are all i can think of.

Best for me: Drahmin, Moloch, post MK3 Shang Tsung, Quan Chi, Hotaru, Dairou, Kobra, Kira, Bo' Rai Cho.

Worst for you: Scorpion, ninjas save Ermac and Subs, Liu Kang, Pre MKA Johnny Cage, Sektor, Sindel, Reiko, Tanya, Shinnok.

Ehhh, the story wasn't THAT bad not nearly as bad as MK:SF that game....lol

It was around timeline of MK/MK2 I know, know but I thought it was still overall a good game.The storyline seemed a little rushed but wasn't the worst IMO.I still give that to MK:SF lol, I agree the gameplay is TONS of fun in MK:SM and glad to see that Raisn likes MK:M besides me.That game is seriously underrated and most people hate it because it's a challenge.The gameplay is fun, levels are challenging and they explain the mythology to Sub-Zero(original) perfectly.

I still play it to this day.

Sheeva I like because she's unique in the only female shokan that's actually playable unlike Goro, Kintaro etc.I also like her story, not saying it's the best but it's interesting IMO.

WOW, someone actually said Ermac was one of the worst...that's a first for sure.

I think he's one of the best characters ever created.

BTW, to sub again I kind of feel the same about sub and scorpion.They're both flagship characters for MK from the beginning, I'm not a "fanatic" per-se about either of them to be honest but will have to disagree with you on scorpion a bit.

I've noticed that you're a hardcore subby fan, it's only natural to hate Scorpion as Scorpion Fans hate Sub-Zero I've noticed.I found that out a long time ago with my Sub vs. Scorpion thread who's better and why thread on here.

Not sure if you remember that thread.But hey man to each his own, everyone has different tastes.

It seems to me that most of the people responding are simply listing what characters they like and what characters they hate which is completely different from listing what characters are the best or worst.


Best: (in no order)
- Raiden
- Sub-Zero
- until Gamecube's Deception, I might have said Goro
- Shang Tsung
- Reptile
- Kung Lao
- Kitana
- Mileena
- Noob Saibot
- Shao Kahn
- Quan Chi
- Kenshi
- Bo' Rai Cho
- Drahmin
- Havik
- Hotaru

Worst: (in nor order)
- Kano
- from MK4 and on, Scorpion
- from MK3 and on, Jax
- Mimik
- Jarek
- Reiko
- Meat
- Mokap


And since most everyone else did...

Like:
- Kitana
- Sareena
- Quan Chi
- Scorpion, until MK4
- Noob Saibot
- Reiko
- Sub-Zero
- Mileena
- Sektor
- Raiden
- Jade
- Kung Lao
- Reptile
- Kabal

Don't like:
- Mimik
- Jax
- Kano
- Shujinko

Good point X.I'll admit even I listed one guy or two that I said I hated in Bo for example.

BTW, you forgot to mention Ermac, Smoke dude Your thoughts on them?It's ok you don't have to post about them I just found it interesting how you were the first person in here to forget Ermac or Smoke.


BTW, I have another one.

Although this guy IMO is a neutral character.

Rain.He's alright, not the best, not the worst but somewhere in between.

Worst:

Mavado
Hsu Hao

You're kidding, right...?



It was a disaster. There were so many things altered, and not for the better either. The characters were portrayed horribly, save for maybe a couple of them. The dialogue and acting was crap, not that I expected too much from the acting.



I honestly don't find her story or anything else about her to be interesting or even appealing. They really should've done more to revamp her, imo.



If you're referring to Chrome's post, you have to look at it more carefully. He simply hates the Ninja-type characters except for Ermac and Sub-Zero. So in other words, he doesn't hate Ermac, but I know he hates his MKA ending, which I can understand and agree with.



Please explain on how you disagree with me about Scorpion.



I'm a big Sub-Zero fan, but I'm definitely not a fanboy as I am not without criticisms towards certain aspects with him. I hate post-retcon Scorpion for the reasons I had clearly stated in that thread I linked you to. I used to like Scorpion, and I want him to return to his former glory and be further developed from there.



I suppose I do remember the thread, but I don't think you quite understood the points that I had tried to get across in there.

To XiahouDun84: I tried to be careful not to do that, hence some of the ones that are my favorites not being listed there. But I may have fucked up anyway.

I like Smoke....but let's be honest. He started as a gray Scorpion that became a gray Sektor and his current role in the story is Noob Saibot's personal action figure. Smoke is saved by having a decent storyline and only now having a unique look.
I wouldn't say Smoke is one of the worst. But I don't think he's one of the best.

As for Ermac....in my opinion it's too soon to consider him one of the best. I give him credit for starting as a rumored glitch that got made into a worth-while character and his concept is interesting. He could be one of the best...but for me, it's too soon. I'd wait and see what they do with him first.
Sareena's another character like this. She can be one of the best, but for now I think it's too soon to say something like that.
Least that's how I see it, anyway.

I'm just saying in MK:SM, the story could have been better but wasn't nearly as horrible as "some fans" make it out to me.Considering that a lot of people didn't expect good gameplay from it and just another "MK adventure game" average at best there's an automatic downer right there that wasn't true at all.

Second, storyline is important but I mean come on...a few changes will kill the whole game? I disagree here....there's more important things such as the revamped characters looks, some details that we found out happened or could have happened in between MK1-MK2, more looks of the realms that are talked about thru out the MK universe and such. There's also the fact of two player co-op team mode which is great in that game you have to admit.

Another similar example of this is say Tekken or SC, compared to MK's storyline is crap...yet people play it and love it because of "gameplay" and gameplay alone...

I see a similar gig with MK:SM in most cases.

As for the scorpion view, well I just disagree.He's always has been and always will be a MK flagship character.I know plenty of people that are casual MK players, yet not a FAN of the series like we are that play MK because of characters like Scorpion, Subby etc.

Notice when you bring up MK, who are the top 3 characters you'll hear them bring up?A.Scorpion B.Sub-Zero or C.Liu Kang most of the time or I'd say 9 out of 10 times you pick the average gamer out there up off the street, and they'll mention one of those three listed as I have found out.

It would hurt MK if Scorpion went bye, bye.

Now, I do understand your point it just sounds to me like you don't approve of Scorpions storyline of late as oppose to his early games.I mean personally, I liked the change.It hasn't hurt his fanbase, his revamped looks the past 4 games is awesome and there's a certain uniqueness about it.

Now, despite how you feel about Scorpion as far as being a Sub-Zero fan(before you say I'm not a Sub fanboy per-se) honestly man it's fine.With all due respect lol you have had a subby avy on your profile for the longest time.If I said I didn't like Fujin, I'd be lying.

Admit it, you like the ice ninja lol

I also feel that Scorpion have always been a good character.The only exception as far as I'm concerned is his MKD ending, I wasn't too fond of him being the Elder God's puppet.Honestly, I liked his MKA ending more by far.What can I say, I like dramatic endings.After how Quan-Chi fucked him over, over the years I felt his ending was appropriate.

My view man, it's fine if you don't agree with it as long as you respect it as I respect yours.

Now, to X on the Ermac/Chrome gig.Well, honestly being a huge Ermac fan myself I must say that his ending to me could have been more however the essence of it to me made a lot of sense.

I mean, we've heard since UMK3 and have had the same Ermac virtually(with the exception of revamped look in MKD/MKA) since then.Should his MKA ending be canon, it would be an interesting take on Ermac since he is afterall a fusion of souls in one body.

Wouldn't it make sense to see the souls released should his body ever be destroyed?Hell yeah..



The idea I proposed in my Ermac thread on here was if his MKA ending is canon, why not have a few different, new characters off of the Ermacs.Say one soul is Kindred, another one Rust and then of course you have Ermac back with the same powers however he's only one instead of thousands.

Isn't that what a favorite character does? They make people think that they're the best characters of a series? I mean, sure, some guys that aren't my favorite make MK great but the fact of the matter is, I'm still gonna say that my favorite character is the greatest MK character because they persuaded me to think that.

Best (Some are just characters that appeal to me, others are ones that I think bring necessary or interesting aspects to the series.)

-Sub-Zero (current) [He's a kool character and one of MK's flagship guys.]
-Scorpion (post-retcon) [He personifies everything that is MK and is another flagship name.]
-Reptile (Deadly Alliance) [Tragic storyline and awesome look.]
-Smoke (robot; MK3) [Same as Reptile. MKD story isn't bad but makes him more of a prop than a character.]
-Raiden and Dark Raiden [Raiden played the role of mentor very well and was great at moving the plot along whether he did so by explaining aspects of the series’ plot or by getting the heroes from one objective to the other. Dark Raiden shows just how much things have changed since the first MK and gives off a feeling of things taking a turn for the worse as the end times appear to be nearing. Also, he’s just an interesting character.]
-Shao Kahn [As the series "Evil Con Carne" has taught us, your hero can be bland and boring. All you need is a good villain. Shao Kahn has provided MK with antagonism for what feels like an eternity and has done so marvelously with his intimidating demeanor, his pure evil mentality, his overwhelming power, and even his intelligence. He took MK from an Asian movie parody and made it into the epic tale that it is today.]
-Shinnok [He's a good alternative to Shao Kahn.]
-Shang Tsung [Same as Shinnok though he could have served MK better by being an independent evildoer rather than one of Shao Kahn's pets.]
-Ermac [He's just awesome.]
-Johnny Cage [Every series needs a comic relief to keep things from getting dole, to push out a meaningless yet necessary "filler" scene or two, and even to make the dark aspects of a series seem all the darker by providing us glimpses of the lighter side with their humor.]
-Havik [Though MK from 2 through DA was good, the inclusion of the extra dimension of Chaos and Order only improves things and keeps what we’ve loved from MK to MKDA from getting stale by giving us something else to watch.]
-Hotaru [Same as Havik.]

Worst (These aren't all characters that I hate. I've never like Shinnok but I've gone as far to say that he's one of the series' best characters.)

-Jarek [The only thing that made him noteworthy was that he was believed to be the last Black Dragon and even that wasn't very intriguing as the Black Dragon has yet to be all that interesting. Nowadays, he serves absolutely no purpose as he doesn't work for anyone and yet he lacks the power to be an effective loner.]
-Kai [He's had absolutely no character development and has only been in two games if you count Gold and 4 as the same thing. Like Jarek, he does absolutely nothing and is merely a flagship character for ethnicity which actually shouldn't be praised as it makes distinctions between ethnic groups and goes as far to say that one's either better or worse than another. Overall, his concept is as condescending and sickening as Chinua Achebe's "Things Fall Apart."]
-Shujinko [He only worked as his namesake in Deception. Now that he's no longer the main character, he makes no sense, especially when one considers the fact that he doesn't have a move from every character but rather a handful of Deception's cast.]
-Li Mei [She was cast as a good guy in Deadly Alliance but when Deception came along, she was more of a bad guy. Ever since, she has yet to reclaim her heroic status in my eyes and is too ambiguous.]
-Baraka [He looks exactly like every other Tarkatan so he doesn't have an eye-catching appearance. His fighting skills and personality aren't any different as he is what I like to call "MK's resident jobber," meaning he gets the crap beat out of him in every fight that he's in and his personality only goes as far as to say that he has a crush on Mileena and that he throws himself to the feet of whatever tyrant comes to power. He has no loyalty or even a spine...he's not much different than Kano and he had this gimmick first and pulls it off better.]
-Kobra [He's just a would-be lackey to Kabal. I like Kabal but his Black Dragon doesn't seem to have any direction and doesn't match his seemingly noble personality. Considering this and the fact that Kobra has just started his MK tour, there's nothing noteworthy about him and he comes off as a bit of an entitled punk to me.]
-Kira [Same as Kobra minus the entitlement.]
-Reptile (post DA) [Judging from his role in Armagedon’s Konquest, Reptile somehow seems to have regained some of his intelligence and has become more consumed by his own interests rather than those of Shao Kahn. And even though Shaolin Monks takes place before Deadly Alliance, thusly putting him in a time period during which he was smarter than his DA self, I still don’t like how he acts just like he does in Armagedon’s Konquest. Whereas he was awesome-looking in DA and had an overly sympathetic storyline as Kahn's hopelessly stupid and loyal lapdog, his Shaolin Monks and Armagedon primary costumes aren't as kool to me and his independence kind of make him look selfish and actually kind of cliché as begrudging minion who would most likely overthrow Kahn if he were presented the chance to do so.]
-Noob Saibot [Not only do I dislike this character for the reasons stated in my autobiography in my intro thread in the "Introduction Discussion" section, but also because he has yet to do anything noteworthy. Sure, he's the elder Sub-Zero brother reincarnated and sure, he reprogrammed Smoke to work for him and now has plans to start a demonic clan but that took how many games to get this far? And he's come how close to his goal as of yet? Aside from not having done anything despite being one of MK's most popular characters, I also find his appearance and everything else about him very generic and bland.]

mkflegend: There weren't a few minor changes that were made to the story. There were several drastic changes, none of which did anything to improve MK's overall story.

I'm not saying that Scorpion isn't a flagship character, but I'm trying to say that he's very lackluster due to the changes that were made with him. That's what I was getting at, and I really don't know how you can disagree, regardless of how popular he is.

I don't know about Liu Kang, but Scorpion and Sub-Zero are two of the most recognizable characters when it comes to bringing up MK.

Actually, Scorpion's change has hurt his fanbase a bit, but probably not as much, namely because part of Scorpion's fanbase is more on the shallow side.

About his story, I don't see what's so likeable about the changes. With the changes, there is an uncertainity about the whole younger Sub-Zero thing. Scorpion acts like an imbecile and starts trouble. How can you like that about him? I hope you're not going to say something along the lines of finding that badass.

For his looks, I still like his MKD primary/MKA alternate costume the best. However, he really needs to ditch the type of outfits like his MKD alternate/MKA primary. What's so awesome and unique about wearing tight black spandex with a bright yellow vest and sash? That's horrible and should be scrapped. Instead, going with a more historically accurate design, whilst retaining familiar elements from Scorpion's design, is much better.

Unfortunately, I can't feel the same way as you do when you say that you feel that Scorpion has always been a good character. I just don't see what qualities he has are good. In actuality, he has become an extremely shallow character.

I mean, what do you think a lot of Scorpion's fanbase is composed of? It's composed of people who are more into Scorpion's spear, looks, and the fact that he's a Ninja specter. They either don't know or don't care that he's an absolute moron who has the mentality of small child.

His MKD ending wasn't really bad. He's not necessarily a puppet. He made a deal with them, hence why he agreed to become their Champion in the first place.

I don't see what's so good about his MKA ending. It's a cop-out and only makes Scorpion's story about revenge, AGAIN!!! This is why I can't agree with you about Scorpion's story. It's flat, boring, and 1-dimensional. It used to have actual depth to it before his stupid retconning. But with the retconning, his story is basically the following:

MK1: fight and kill the Older Sub-Zero
MK2: fight and lose to younger Sub-Zero or never come across him
MK3: same as MK2
MK4: fight and defeat younger Sub-Zero, find out that Quan Chi is the real murderer
MKDA: chase after Quan Chi like a madman, storm Shang Tsung's Palace without using any Ninjutsu tactics (so much for him trying to be a Ninja to support his family), only to get ambushed and beaten up by Moloch and Drahmin
MKD: made a deal with the Elder Gods, becomes their Champion and helps Shujinko defeat Onaga
MKA: deal is half-assed due to the job being half-assed, gets pissed off, goes to the whole revenge thing again, starts trouble with Taven, only to get his ass kicked

So in all the games, he's been after someone, in most times been unsuccessful. And guess what he's learned? NOTHING!! He's still bitching about his family and clan. And he's a good character because of this? Oh no. That's right. He's a good character because he's this "badass" ninja specter who has a flaming skull head, breathes fire, shoots a spear that really isn't a spear and fights people. Ooooooh!

Ok, moving on to Ermac....

The whole army of Ermacs thing is cheesy and would mess up his character concept, namely that of a warrior created through the fusion of souls. I would rather keep it that way.

Ehh, well Scorpion's a character that no matter what happens to him unless he's gone for good will never truly tarnish IMO. Same with Subby man.

It's fine that you're not crazy about the way his story went, I like it though personally.

I also like Sub's, although I'm not a fanatic about either of them I don't mind their plots.

As for Scorpion's cotumes, there really aren't many I don't like. I actually like his MK:D alternate because it's a combination of MK4/UMK3 if you noticed.

Reason why I like Scorpion is because of his story, the ninja spectre and all that and nost because of his spear, fire or skull face.

It's fine though, we simply disagree a little on Scorpion.

Now, onto Ermac. Well, I have to disagree here, I don't believe it's cheesy personally. In fact this has to happen to him sooner or later, if Ermac DID ever get destroyed if his body were to be destroyed completely it would be dumb if the souls didn't roam free creating an army or sticking together since they've been fused together for a while in Ermac's body.

Most likely his ending won't happen, won't be canon but you never know. Since new characters will be introduced in MK8 like Boon and company say, the Ermac idea I proposed earlier would make perfect sense if his ending is canon.


However, at the same time bring back Ermac whole also.

Right now, Ermac, Sub and Scorpion.You take those three and Ermac is up there. On here on Predators, poll not too long ago Ermac and Subby were the highest so I really don't beleive that Ermac's story is lame at all if he's the leading character in that category. Yeah, some may say well it's because of his kickass revamped look but his storyline is also great IMO.

I just don't see what you find worthy about Scorpion's post-retcon storyline.

I like Sub-Zero's as he's actually progressed as a character and has come along way, forging his down destiny. Despite me not considering him or the other Lin Kuei characters as Ninja, he actually displays the qualities of a Ninja, namely endurance, patience, and perseverance which are the spiritual/philosophical meanings to the term "nin". Scorpion displays the complete opposite and doesn't seem to have moral standards, so he sounds more like a Nusubito (meaning "thief" or "robber"), which is another type of information gathererer.

Regarding Ermac, if he were to get destroyed, wouldn't the souls that comprise of his being try to rest in peace? As I said, it's the fact that he's made up of many warrior souls makes up his concept. If he is going to be destroyed and his souls were to separate, it would be best to do it at the very end of his story.

If we're going to have new characters, I would rather not have ones like those. We need actual new people who have a solid concept to them.

I was definitely pleased about his revamped look, but when it comes to his story, he hasn't been in too many games. It had only been rather recently that his story took a new direction. So we will most likely see in the future games how his new path will develop and what he'll do and all that.

To be blunt, the current state of Scorpion can be likened to this...

Best (in no order):

Liu Kang (I have always liked this character. I find it rather ignorant that some people simply don't like him for his battle cries. Other characters do that in other fighting games too, yet they never get taunted the way Liu is. Jann Lee, anyone?)

Kung Lao
Johnny Cage
Chameleon (If he were to be given a story, I would like him more.)
Khameleon
Kitana
Mileena
Jade
Sindel
Scorpion (pre-retcon)
Kano
Kenshi
Raiden
Noob Saibot
Smoke
Rain
Onaga
Reptile
Ermac
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Shao Kahn
Taven
Daegon
Kabal
Havik

Worst (in no order):

Ashrah
Frost
Hsu Hao
Kobra
Kira
Meat
Mokap
Tanya

I do not truly HATE any Mortal Kombat character, but I simply see those listed under Worst as my least favorites.