Is she? She and the rest of the Kombat Kids went over like a fart in the wind when it came to both casual players and the majority of longtime fans.

Maybe Frost as a good, loyal and faithful assistant to Sub Zero who is brutally killed by Noob Saibot in the story mode to really cement his villainy and spark a feud between the two brothers that can replace the scorpion/sub zero feud.

This would be a good a story arc for them to explore in my opinion.

I’ve never been a big fan. A lot of that used to be how she played. If they amped her up and made her more aggressively and noticeably different from Subby, then...I guess.

Her main potential is what she means for Sub-Zero, and while I appreciate story potential, I feel like it’s a bit too drudged down in the cryomancy connection and we already know where the potential can lead — Sub’s failure as a mentor. Her story kind of reached its point when she stole the Dragon Medallion and got overwhelmed by her own powers in her own Deadly Alliance ending. Sub’s not going anywhere, so I kind of feel like Frost should.

She’s definitely one of those lower-tier characters in terms of her significance and the role she plays. Maybe they can enhance that with the “New Generation” push they have going on, but Frost is like 14 years old at this point, haha. I would personally prefer a new student for Sub-Zero, someone with more open potential on their own — both in terms of gameplay and story — and someone else can be given the vain, egocentric role.

Frost will always exist in the lore. People overlook that with certain characters. If fans are really into her, they can re-play Deadly Alliance. And some of the future games are no doubt going to reuse those DA story points as either direct retellings or at least as inspiration. There will be time, even if it’s in 20 years, where NRS will remake Deadly Alliance on a new system that kicks a lot of ass and Frost is playable. I just don’t see the need to go forward with her as a recurring and active presence at this stage.

But I’m happy for her fans. She doesn’t “offend” me. I just think there is much sharper and more pertinent focus to place on other characters.

Oddly enough, we actually ARE approaching 20 years since she was in a non-anthology game like Armageddon. =/

Like that one time hot off the heels of MK9, they remade MK4, and re-used all the story points of Shinnok's invasion and all the MK4 characters returned and got a new renaissance! Fujin & Reiko got such an awesome re-introduction in MKX. It's great NRS listened to fans and brought them back at such a relevant point in the timeline.

But yeah, why should Frost be an active presence at this stage? She doesn't even show up until Deadly Alliance! Here's hoping that instead of pulling in characters randomly at illogical points, MK11 will stick to revisiting the next logical step in the timeline... now lets see, after Shinnok's invasion ended... which game was it that came after MK4 again? *Ponders*

Wait...

I wouldnt mind to c her again in a MKgame, but she must have something that Sub doesnt have.

Or put her in the game and let Sub sit one out.

That is never going to happen, and even IF that happens, MANY people will hate Frost because they probably think she's the reason Sub-Zero gets cock-blocked in that game.

I never minded Scorpion and Sub-Zero, I don't like the super-hype-aura that hangs around them, but I don't mind them as much as I mind the bland Ryu for example. Frost probably needs Sub-Zero as that is the only way she isn't hated by those fans.

I think Frost will be very different in this game though, she will probably have storylines with Kronika more than with Sub-Zero. Or she replaces Kung Jin/Takeda in that little Cover-band group of Cassie... Hopefully not though, the horror.

I find it hilarious that you act as if Frost has been given chance after chance after chance when she's only appeared TWO games in damn near twenty-years and only one of them truly mattered from a story/character perspective- Deadly Alliance. She IS practically a brand new character- one that hasn't even been fleshed out. You talk about wanting someone with more open potential gameplay and story wise- she's a character that hasn't had any opportunity for that beyond 2002. Until now.

If she IS in MK11, then NRS obviously will insure she stands on her own both gameplay and story wise. I really have no idea why people keep expecting Frost to show up in MK11 exactly like she was when we last saw her in 2002/2006. Like Skarlet, she's going to basically be remade from the ground up and to many of the mainstream/casual/newbie fans- she WILL be a new character.

And keep her bratty egocentric attitude. That's what makes her awesome.

I agree with your side of this argument, but to be completely fair, she was in Unchained, complete with a bio and an ending that advanced her story after MKDA, leading into Armageddon. In point of fact both her Deadly Alliance & Unchained endings are seemingly canon, which not all characters can boast.

And furthermore she got to do a little something in Konquest mode during Armageddon, which isn't true for a lot of characters either. Granted it wasn't much... but... a little something is better than nothing. And a lot of characters got nothing.

BUT... again... I agree overall. She hasn't been fleshed out much, and I'm fine with her returning. THAT SAID... she has gotten better treatment than some of her peers. She's not doing as well as Kenshi, Bo Rai Cho or even Li Mei... but she's already doing better than Mavado, Drahmin & Nitara, and that's before even taking MK11 into account.

Oh Gosh, Nitara is a PAINFUL one. I know it's a crapshoot, but seeing "Nitara's Gemstone" mentioned in one of the Towers Of Time- it definitely has me craving her return. Now THAT'S wasted potential.

She had more than just a blood gimmick. She gave Reptile the Kirehashi blade, and a medal, both artifact of his people, both seem like kustomizable gear if Reptile's in. Also, Ashrah's kriss, Datusha, is another artifact konnekted to Nitara, and her people.

With the MKX comic changing the Kamidogu to blades, I'm wondering if some of the kharakter's weapons are Kamidogu. Either to hide/protect them or the kharakters wielding them are special, like Power Rangers or something.

Ka-Tra

Maybe I’m a bit older than some of you, but MK4 is not remembered fondly. I know we all like to geek out over our favourite characters, but Fujin and Reiko, while popular on here, frankly sucked (I know I’ll get blowback for the Fujin point). There were fans at the time who were extremely angry that MK3 characters got snubbed, but they did that because the MK3 characters weren’t that popular outside Kabal, Sindel and maybe Nightwolf. Funnily enough, they all made Deception.

MKX reused Shinnok’s story as loose inspiration, but it wasn’t a direct re-telling. They chose Raiden to be the protagonist against Shinnok; not Fujin. There are reasons for that, but people don’t like to hear them. Reiko is...just not interesting. You can create a new character from scratch that can fill the roles better (like literally Kotal Kahn). To update Reiko you’d have to change everything about him, and what’s the point? You might as well do something new if you’re starting from scratch. Like they did with Kotal Kahn.

But even Reiko will be in another game in the future. Probably not in this wave, but why would he? And at some point they are going to go back to MK4 and Shinnok, and this time Reiko might make the cut.

MK11 is not going to be a Deadly Alliance story. The reset was done because their old stories got away from them (and very few of the new characters were working, frankly), and they wanted to do a classic-feeling MK with a new engine. This will probably happen next generation of consoles too. Story purists like me HATED it at the time, and we thought Deadly Alliance was a great springboard (where Frost was basically killed off for the reasons I outlined), and many of us found Deception disappointing and Armageddon atrocious as far as that went. Many have had to deal with the logic of MK before you. Blaze was the ultimate villain of the last timeline. Torch. From the background in MK2.

It’s not my personal taste, but from a marketing perspective, I get why they do it.

Frost was not very well received on here. “She’s just a female Sub-Zero!”, “She’s boring!”, all that jazz that accompanied almost all the entrants into that game, besides Kenshi (and guess who has stuck around?).

Since you gave me snark, I’ll put it bluntly: Frost is fucking boring. She’s basically a Kombat Kid sidekick of Sub-Zero. That’s the reason she hasn’t been featured in too many games. Because Sub-Zero is wildly popular and not going anywhere, and having a bunch of ice characters gets a little redundant after a while. Can they change her up? Sure. Can they give her a better story? Of course. It looks like they are likely doing that. But cut out the entitlement. She is fictional IP in a fighting series where she’s one of the least original ideas and hasn’t been needed where more popular and exciting options exist. She’s not *owed* a return game. I was merely pointing out that she will probably get it at some point because even Meat gets cameos. Distance clearly makes the heart grow fonder, and the 17 years it’s been since she’s gone might be enough to do another female Sub-Zero rehash. If not, she’ll just have to wait longer until people stop having actual ideas.

I find it funny that people act like characters need to be given chance, after chance, after chance like they are real people. Not every movie needs a sequel. She existed and she had a role, she should only come back if there is functional use for her. If it’s there, she will come back. Or maybe NRS just has a whim? Or maybe it’s just because they do try to service fans with some roster spots? But no, I wasn’t talking about her having chance, after chance, after chance. She was used functionally and then not used — very likely for reasons (popularity, limitations, story decisions, etc.).

Frost does come with limitations a new character doesn’t have: we know her general personality and that she uses ice powers. We know she’s a punk and her ambition gets the best of her, with deadly consequences. She’s not really a “clean slate” at all. If NRS put her in, they will surely flesh her out more, I agree, but if you change too much people are no doubt going to complain about that.

I mustn’t have made myself clear — I didn’t mean take her bratty attitude away from her; I meant give a bratty attitude to someone else, if people want a brat so much. And that we know so much about her says something about how much development she’s gotten. People are just spun out because there hasn’t been a need for her in other games.

When they want her in, she’ll be in. It’ll probably be more interesting to see how interesting NRS try to make her than how interesting she actually is.

1) Looks like that time may be now.

2) And you just completely proved my entire point. I just said how NRS are betting at REMAKING their characters than they are making them. I never once said "OMGZ FROST ROCKS! SHE DA BESTEST!"- I said I'm interested in seeing the great overhaul she'll receive. NRS are excellent at that. THAT'S why I'm not opposed to characters getting a second chance.

1) I said that. Thanks for repeating my own point. Also, great job on complaining about how few games she’s been in when she’s basically been confirmed.

2) I never attributed that quote to you, nor that emotive tone. Stop misrepresenting people for the benefit of your point. NRS can fill out lackluster characters from the 3D era when it suits them, but what seems to escape people is why they don’t.

I’m fine leaving bland characters in the games they existed in. I can’t wait for the Meat and Greet to come out and demand the wasted potential of Shang Tsung’s unfinished warrior be given another chance and one of 25 precious slots. We’re not there yet, but it seems every character not being included in more than 3 games is some sort of travesty.