Think, if There is even a human version of these characters, what moves will they have? wrist launched nets and missiles?

Thats the most logical way is to have them seperate and unlockable. But knowing too little or next to nothing other than the sound clips, im just gonna stay quiet.

The Smoke clip and the human Sektor clip could have been ones that werent used or unfiltered at the time? its hard to tell. One could argue that since Sektor's other clip was already filtered, that it doesnt make sense for the others not to be.

hmm.

In the case of Sektor, it could also be for example that he won't have such moves simply in story mode that don't fit for his human persona. E.g. Jax got rid of his gun in MK/DC story mode. The same could practically go with Human Cyrax if there will be one in gameplay.
About Smoke, if he is to have only one voice, it would be more sensible to have a non-electronic, evil voice I believe. Smoke could for instance have retained some of his body remains and not need a voice amplifier. The possibilty of having several character slots due to the likelihood of secret characters is still there too, though.

Sektors Movelist:

Tele-cut
Missile
Upwards Missile
Flamethrower

...its not looking good if they were to just subtract his non-cyborg enabled moves. Just a human Sektor jumping around with a grab?

Lol

Welp I just heard the leaked voice clips and that does indeed sound like Human Smoke! :)

He could still practically have his Teleport Uppercut and Flamethrower due to his magical powers.
@Devan: Well that would be a dream come true to me if Smoke would be human primarily in Mortal Kombat (2011) since I've been waiting for a real Human Smoke since Armageddon and I was kind of disappointed for not being able to fight Smoke in Shaolin Monks even though he remained alive that way.

Perhaps we'll finally find out what their superpowers were, if they had any.

Maybe they also had more normal sounding codenames, like how we've found out that Kuai Liang used to go by "Tundra" before his brother died and he inherited the family "Sub-Zero" mantle.

I wouldn't mind having both versions of Smoke. I prefer Cyborg but he does need a few new/creative moves imo. I didn't care too much for his moveset in MKA at least

I just hope that moves-wise, they give him stuff that's all unique to him and no Scorpion spear. And that those moves actually involve using smoke.

I rather liked Stinky Cloud, Stinky Fingers, and Play Dead in MKA, because they actually seemed tailor-made to what Smoke is actually supposed to be able to do, fight with or turn into smoke.

I prefer cyborg Smoke to human Smoke. My first MK was MK3 so I'm used to him being that way. I liked his mechanical spear move. I really like his character arc. Where he was human then was forced to be a cyborg only to want his soul and mind back. I also liked how he was under Noob Saibot's control in MK:D, with an order to kill Sub-zero mentioned in their ending. Making his story even more tragic.

I'd like to see both versions of Smoke in the story mode and cyborg Smoke as the selectable character. With the possibility of human smoke being DLC.

Well IF every Lin Kuei recruit actually had powers (dunno if it was said 100% of them did), then id have to go out on a limb and guess it was power with flames somehow. its really the only ability he has that could be natural.

The digitization and missiles require mechanics, moving parts. Only the flamethrower Id immagine could come in terms of an organic gift.

I wouldnt even know what to think of Cyrax, to snap apart and teleport?

What do you think of the possible Sandman and ghost themes for Smoke? He would make a unique Sandman for Mortal Kombat.
@RazorsEdge701: Where was it mentioned that Tundra was officially his name? I knew of his name backgrounds (I've kind of specialized in that area, you'll see) but I wasn't aware of him adopting Tundra one of his official names. I guess I should watch the interviews more often.

@Zmoke Yeah it would be a dream for me and you both! I've been craving a human smoke since MK Trilogy not the ones in the 3D games however :( Hopefully we get him!

You should check out the bios at themortalkombat.com

Razor is right. Kuai Linag's codename was Tundra before taking on his brothers persona. Its in the bio's

Sandman?

I tried to visit themortalkombat.com just now but it told "Server overloaded...", I guess I'll try to access them later. What came to my mind is that Kidd Thunder should be part of this Mortal Kombat as well since he was in Mortal Kombat II, Raiden would almost be considered as the protagonist of the game now and he has never been introduced really either despite being a pretty interesting character as well. (a bit off-topic, let's not go in it too much further)
Sandman would be like a folk lore character who makes people fall asleep. Nothing related to the Marvel Sandman, more like the DC Universe Sandman.

Well here's the thing that'll really get your brain turning:

Smoke's power as a human is he makes smoke, obviously, yeah?

Well as a cyborg, Smoke doesn't actually have his human superpower anymore. According to Deception, the automation replaced it with the ability to release clouds of nanobots that ACT like smoke.

So now you gotta wonder...if Sektor did have a human power, and it was outright replaced with a cyborg device that can do the same thing or better...which one was it? Are flamethrowers really the most obvious weapon, and the dude was a fire guy? I'm not sure...

The name "Sektor" is the word sector with a K for Kombat in it. A sector is a location or coordinate. And Sektor teleports and has missiles that can track people. Following people and relocation seems to be the theme of his moves. What if his human ability, if he had one, was teleporting, or some sort of superhuman hunter/tracker skill?

'Course Cyrax is just in-fuckin'-scrutable. The dude's moves are ENTIRELY weapons related and his name is a flat-out nonsense word.

Eh, when you put it that way, it makes me appreciate his MKA moves A LOT more. But, I still feel like he's missing something though. Imo he needs to be "refreshed".

It could be any number of things with that gift of info right there. Jesus. Id have to hope for teleporting then. Perhaps the digitization would jsut be a way to make the suit cope and be able to travel with him?

I cant really see him shooting force blasts out of his chest. Perhaps he could fly?(the jetpacks)

Yes Cyrax, Im drawing a blank, maybe he was a half spider and could spin webs? and the technology allowed him to turn it into the nets. lmao

just kidding.

I'll admit, Cyrax having Spider-Man webshooters is so funny to me that I'd actually accept it.

Sektor could have been a character who had a sixth sense like sharks. As a word "Sektor" in the first place reminds me of submarines and underwater overall. Now he shoots missiles similar to torpedoes. Maybe he was something similar to Aquaman, the only thing is that he now has a flamethrower. But you'll never know.

Cyrax in the other hand could have been a Spiderman-like character. As I mentioned before, I believe I actually know the naming backgrounds for every single Mortal Kombat word. That's because I ran the ambitious project for revealing all the possible Mortal Kombat word's naming backgrounds in Midway Boards a year ago. Cyrax is "unstoppable" in Arabic and it also has the prefix "Cy" which refers to cyborgs.

End of discussion from my part today. It's getting very late in here.
Tomorrow let's continue this after 14h from now if ideally possible. Other users may of course discuss in the topic all the time - in the mean time be sure to check out my newly released return topic in the introduction discussion!

I thought Smoke's Shaolin Monks Avatar was the best... i would like to see Smoke look like him

Like Razor said, it does not have to be one or the other. I expect Smoke will be automated, but the human audio clip has me very excited because this is a chance for Smoke's storyline, entirely revolving around the tragedy of having his soul and body stolen from him, to be expounded upon.

We sympathize with the character because hey, that sucks. But it can become really and honestly tragic if we have time beforehand to get to know the man behind the machine. This is why I say that if I had to pick just one form for this game, I'd go with human, and have him automated at a later date. There's this sense that Smoke has a good soul, worthy enough to be selected as one of Raiden's chosen warriors despite being trapped inside his metal shell (even if his MK3 ending didn't entirely happen, the possibility's still there). I really want to see as much of that as I can.

It is really high and well time that we got to see the circumstances surrounding his and Sub-Zero's escape from the Lin Kuei and Smoke's capture and conversion (That's something I really hope to see in this game, incidentally; the conversion process itself). There's no part of Story mode I am looking forward to more.

This is pure fanwank, but I'd wager that Sub-Zero escaped due in large part to Smoke giving him the chance to get away from the Lin Kuei, likely Cyrax and Sektor themselves, resulting in his own capture, in true blockbuster-movie fashion. If he's seen sacrificing himself for his friend like that, well, no wonder he could have been among Raiden's chosen.

That's enough story postulating for me. Now for gameplay.

For playstyle, I expect juggle combos, juggle combos, and more juggle combos. He was all about popping them up, reeling them back in, and smacking the hell out of them in either of his UMK3 forms, and, to a lesser extent in MKD, was still about the pop-ups along with Noob. Giving him Judo in MKA pissed me off royally.

It goes without saying that the man needs to use actual smoke and pull disappearing/reappearing acts as part of his arsenal. I think a large part of his human form's appeal stems from the fact that more than anyone else, he brings this 'traditional ninja' feel to the table, ninjas actually disappearing in smoke bombs and throwing kunai, etc. around, and that's a feel the rest of the colored ninja squad's really moved away from, with the possible exception of some of Scorpion's arsenal. So that's where I think he should go.

He's gotta stop straight ripping off moves. Best thing for him is to do what they did with Reptile - instead of just having Sub-Zero's slide, modify what he's got. Reptile got a fast dash crawl in Mk4 instead. Smoke's arsenal should get similar treatment if not get completely revamped.

I loved his stinky fingers move from the 3D games, and think it should definitely stay.

Smoke's had both types of teleport punch, human and cyber, and I think he might be served best - If he's still going to have something similar - by building on the 'We Live' MKD dash punch, but giving it a pop-up uppercut capability.

As much as I've loved using Scorpion's harpoon and the robot variation of it, he's been stripped of that for a good long while now, and it should stay that way. No one's going to argue that Scorpion doesn't OWN that spear. With that in mind, I still think he feels odd without some type of projectile with stun capability, so I propose an element of that traditional ninja mystique be added, and give him the ability to toss something out that holds the enemy in place, like an actual smoke bomb (Matches with him seem like they could be full of coughing), or perhaps a bolo projectile.

Dude should definitely have teleport capabilities. Make them look like quick dashes where he's made of smoke, calling to mind his insane MKII super-speed bursts.

Invisibility's a tough one. I want to say yes, but I feel that's Reptile's bag. Perhaps I could let it slide, but I'm split on that matter.

It's not entirely fanwank, I'm pretty sure "he held them off for me" is how it went down in Defenders of the Realm.

One of the few really decent episodes of a show that otherwise made very little sense and had nothing to do with MK. I mean what was up with computer geek Nightwolf and them flying around everywhere in jets? But I digress...

I'm not sure the "This is why I say that if I had to pick just one form for this game, I'd go with human, and have him automated at a later date." logic works since...when is there going to be a later date? They only really get the one opportunity to automate anybody, and then in MK4 the Lin Kuei is pretty devastated and in Deadly Alliance, Sub comes back and takes over the joint. (Which I'ma be severely pissed if they end up not having that still happen when we get to MK9's sequels, because Sub-Zero as Lin Kuei leader is my single favorite plotline from DA, Deception, and Armageddon.)

Honestly...I don't even see the point of doing the automation storyline if not to tell the tragedy of what happened to Smoke. Swear to god, I could not care LESS about Sektor and Cyrax's conversion. Those two characters do not become interesting to me until they're in the Tekunin and Special Forces respectively. There's no drama in it if they're the only two who convert, they signed up willingly! And after they convert, they're both mindless and on the same mission, they're not characters, they're plot devices.

The story of automation, to me, revolves entirely around and exists entirely for making Smoke's tragic story happen. To me if there's no Cyber-Smoke, there's no point in the cyborgs at all. He is the main character of that tale.

Especially since Sub-Zero has two or three completely separate plots he's dealing with, like Scorpion or Noob Saibot or actually fighting off the Outworld invasion, and to him, being hunted by cyborgs is just another ho-hum problem on the pile. He doesn't need Sektor and Cyrax to have a good story. Sub's character COULD, however, seriously benefit from seeing the guilt and regret he should be feeling over his best friend being captured while he escaped, and how badly he wants to save/restore him.

So Smoke's automation, if it's going to happen at all, has to happen in this game, you can't put it off until MK10, it wouldn't make sense.