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MK Khronology: 58.49% complete...Ion3008 Wrote:
Oh god I just realized something about Smoke's intro quote
Where there is Smoke there is..Fire
Oh god I just realized something about Smoke's intro quote
Where there is Smoke there is..Fire
Thank you. I love the character and I love that song, and the two will now be forever inseparable. Oh god, yes.
Now, then...
T-rex Wrote, over in the 11 page DLC thread, which turned into a great weeping and gnashing of the teeth:
Hey,I have an idea!
Well,maybe the Lin Kuei sent him to track down Quan Chi. I mean,they could have their reasons. Quan Chi really doesn't seem the kind of guy who upholds his end of the bargain. Maybe Takeda's skeleton that he delivered them in Mythologies turned out to be an elaborate fake (and we all know that he's a fucking master of forgeries,apparently) or something,and now the Grand Master is pissed.
OH SHIT
I just thought of something else!
Sub's mission in MK1.
You know,Shang Tsung's assassination.
We never did learn who put out the hit on Shang,did we?
But I really,really wouldn't be surprised if it was Quan.
I mean,he has plenty of reasons to want him dead. For one,Shang was the one who gave him the scoop on the Map of the Elements in exchange for his help with Sindel's reincarnation. He knows that Quan Chi is after the Amulet and possibly scheming something big. That's a dangerous witness to leave behind. So Quan hires Sub-Zero again. If he completes his mission,Shang's dead. If he fails,Quan gets himself a pet wraith. Whatever the outcome,Quan wins,just like he did in Mythologies.
Hey,I have an idea!
Well,maybe the Lin Kuei sent him to track down Quan Chi. I mean,they could have their reasons. Quan Chi really doesn't seem the kind of guy who upholds his end of the bargain. Maybe Takeda's skeleton that he delivered them in Mythologies turned out to be an elaborate fake (and we all know that he's a fucking master of forgeries,apparently) or something,and now the Grand Master is pissed.
OH SHIT
I just thought of something else!
Sub's mission in MK1.
You know,Shang Tsung's assassination.
We never did learn who put out the hit on Shang,did we?
But I really,really wouldn't be surprised if it was Quan.
I mean,he has plenty of reasons to want him dead. For one,Shang was the one who gave him the scoop on the Map of the Elements in exchange for his help with Sindel's reincarnation. He knows that Quan Chi is after the Amulet and possibly scheming something big. That's a dangerous witness to leave behind. So Quan hires Sub-Zero again. If he completes his mission,Shang's dead. If he fails,Quan gets himself a pet wraith. Whatever the outcome,Quan wins,just like he did in Mythologies.
I think that is actually just what canonically happened. I'm not sure where, but I think it was specified that Quan is the one who had the hit put out. Razor would know.
T-rex Wrote:
So since Bi-Han doesn't return from the tournament,maybe the Lin Kuei are starting to suspect some kind of foul play here,so they decide to send out Smoke on a super-secret mission to track Quan Chi down.
So there's Quan's potential opponent and Smoke's potential chance to shine and actually DO shit. Then he runs into Jade in the Forest and goes from there. :3
So since Bi-Han doesn't return from the tournament,maybe the Lin Kuei are starting to suspect some kind of foul play here,so they decide to send out Smoke on a super-secret mission to track Quan Chi down.
So there's Quan's potential opponent and Smoke's potential chance to shine and actually DO shit. Then he runs into Jade in the Forest and goes from there. :3
Not bad, I always figured that Smoke and Sub were both sent on similar missions to tie up Bi-Han's MK1 plot -Sub to get the job done, Smoke to find out what happened to Bi-Han. It works. I'm not too sure why they'd immediately come to suspect Quan Chi though. I mean, they have him as a client - I don't know if they'd want to throw away his business by sending folks after him. Maybe elaborate on that a bit more?
T-rex Wrote:
Maybe he'll be the first one to discover Quan Chi's and Shinnok's plans and becomes the Ninja Who Cried Wolf when he gets the news back to the clan,which may or may not affect the Grandmaster's plans.
Hell,Smoke's report can actually be the whole reason behind the cyberization program,what with the Grandmaster starting to prepare for Shinnok's invasion. Imagine the horror and guilt he would feel when he'd start seeing his fellow clansmen converted into soulless automatons as a result of the news he delivered. BAM - potential character development.
I feel like we might be onto something here...
Maybe he'll be the first one to discover Quan Chi's and Shinnok's plans and becomes the Ninja Who Cried Wolf when he gets the news back to the clan,which may or may not affect the Grandmaster's plans.
Hell,Smoke's report can actually be the whole reason behind the cyberization program,what with the Grandmaster starting to prepare for Shinnok's invasion. Imagine the horror and guilt he would feel when he'd start seeing his fellow clansmen converted into soulless automatons as a result of the news he delivered. BAM - potential character development.
I feel like we might be onto something here...
How would he find out, though? That's gotta be something that Quan would keep close to his chest. I'm the last person to blather about power levels or anything, but I don't think Smoke would last too long in a fight with Quan. Quan would have to spill the whole thing in a bond-movie villain moment of overconfidence after he beats him, perhaps?
I really do enjoy having Smoke be a part of the major reason the cybernization program gets underway though. Nice touch.
Will post mine tomorrow or on the weekend!
Well if Smoke is planned to stay human and never become Cyborg, outside noncannon fanservice cameos, I think "the lurker" story arc is his best option. An outsider good/neutral player that plays the mysterious part, kind of like Protoman in the the Mega Man series.
There might be times in story telling that he would become more active, such as if the MKDA story arc of Sub-Zero retaking the Lin-Kuei happens again in this story line he'd likely have motive to rejoin his friend. But once the Deadly Alliance forms and combat measures are established, he'd be best to be play scout and disappear into the unknown to give feedback.
If Smoke does again become a cyborg again I think they should build off his MK3 concepts, even if he doesn't fall into that fate until the end of MK 2011's story events. Not like he did anything but rotted in a dungeon for 2 story chapters afterwards anyways. And that dungeon Noob found him in could just as well been Shinnok's as Shao Kahn's anyways.
I know MKvsDC set up Sub-Zero for "the lurker" story arc. But really he has too many character tie-ins to play that role successfully. Scorpion, Noob Saibot, Quan-chi, Seerena, Sektor, Frost, Smoke, the whole Lin-Kuei, finding his roots in outword. Sub-Zero is simply not a character that will be allowed to just sink into the shadows.
There might be times in story telling that he would become more active, such as if the MKDA story arc of Sub-Zero retaking the Lin-Kuei happens again in this story line he'd likely have motive to rejoin his friend. But once the Deadly Alliance forms and combat measures are established, he'd be best to be play scout and disappear into the unknown to give feedback.
If Smoke does again become a cyborg again I think they should build off his MK3 concepts, even if he doesn't fall into that fate until the end of MK 2011's story events. Not like he did anything but rotted in a dungeon for 2 story chapters afterwards anyways. And that dungeon Noob found him in could just as well been Shinnok's as Shao Kahn's anyways.
I know MKvsDC set up Sub-Zero for "the lurker" story arc. But really he has too many character tie-ins to play that role successfully. Scorpion, Noob Saibot, Quan-chi, Seerena, Sektor, Frost, Smoke, the whole Lin-Kuei, finding his roots in outword. Sub-Zero is simply not a character that will be allowed to just sink into the shadows.
Recent reports: Smoke is not in fire, because Smoke is on the water! (The story you wrote was very interesting, T-rex. I'm looking forward to see yours, Shadaloo. I'll come back to these later again when time gives in, maybe bringing a new storyline of my own too.)
I realize I'm a bit late to the party,but I'm going to bring up some points from the other thread that got derailed into a Smoke discussion.
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These are actually very valid points.
I always saw it in my mind's eye as Sub and Smoke,back-to-back badasses,tearing their way through the Lin Kuei HQ on full alert. Since waves of mooks don't seem to be effective,the Grandmaster activates the cyborgs,who immediately spring into action and easily catch up to the two renegades. Smoke and Sub try to fight back,but at this point,they are exhausted and wounded. Smoke pushes Sub out of the way of an attack. Sub gets off with a scar,but Smoke takes the brunt of the damage. The cyborgs are just too fast and too strong,so Sub uses the last of his powers to hastily retreat. Smoke's broken body is dragged off into the labs deep within the compound...
Goddammit,this scene makes me pop a boner just thinking about the awesome ways it could be done...
I'm pretty sure the entire point of Lin Kuei is to have a clan of super-powered assassins. Remember,the whole reason why the bitter rivalry between the Lin Kuei and the Shirai Ryu started was because Takeda deserted the clan and reinterpreted its teachings to the point where a regular Joe could master these mythical techniques with enough practice,and the Lin Kuei decided that this shit just ain't gonna fly.
I'd be inclined to agree.
Flamethrower aside,you can argue that even the missiles are tangentially fire-related. I mean,a missile ultimately produces an explosion,so you could argue that a missile is essentially fire encased in a shell of metal... Kind of like Sektor himself.
A couple of good fanfics I read suggested that his green (acidic???) net was his original power pre-cyberization. Considering that it's his most unique and defining special move,I could see that work. Hell,since most of his gameplay revolves around setups with the bombs and the net,maybe he was the master trapper of the clan?
A spider motif could work here.
EDIT: Fuck,you guys got to this idea before me! >:3
Maybe that uncanny skill and adaptability when it comes to weaponry of multiple types IS his superpower. I'm thinking something along the lines of Taskmaster,maybe.
Another thing to consider is just the variety of his arsenal and his reliance on mechanical contraptions in general. I'd suggest that he was probably quite the techie,except that actually sounds more like Sektor,seeing as he volunteered for the procedure and all.
Wait,what? Really?
Holy shit,that's badass.
Where can I read more of that naming background project that you speak of? :3
How about giving him Sektor's MK3 ending? You know,the one where he fights his way into Kahn's trans-dimensional fortress,and once inside,activates his self-destruction sequence,resulting in an explosion so massive that it closes the portal and sends Kahn back into Outworld?
Oh yeah,you read that right. He blows the fuck up so hard that Kahn falls out of Earthrealm.
It always kinda annoyed me that none of the three cyborgs ever used their self-destruction capabilities in-canon. It was such a fucking Chekhov's Gun,it drove me nuts.
Now,we all know that Planet Exploder fatality,as silly as it was,that out of the three cyborgs,Smoke theoretically has the biggest destructive potential. His death would be tragic,but holy shit,he'd go out with a hell of bang and will forever be remembered as a savior to Earthrealm.
Beats getting stuck in a trophy room,if you ask me.
I'd agree,but it's going to be next to impossible to top Cyrax in terms of sleekness. I mean,he looks sleek enough to pass off as a chick.
Remember those concept arts of Smoke from Deception's Krypt? The ones where he looked liked a fucking Helghast with gas hoses sticking out of him? That's what I'm talking about.
I mean,a gas mask is a fucking must. It's a wonderful thing to base a design around. Not to mention that gas masks look fucking creepy as shit. Some prime nightmare fuel right there.
Throw in some gas exhaust ports,some of them gas hoses,some mini-turbines here and there to fan the smoke with,and we're gold.
I've seen the idea of a kusarigama being thrown around pretty consistently whenever Smoke is mentioned.
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Zmoke Wrote:
Cyborg Smoke is the only cyborg who doesn't have any particularly
cyborg moves. That said Smoke is better as human.
Cyborg Smoke is the only cyborg who doesn't have any particularly
cyborg moves. That said Smoke is better as human.
Zmoke Wrote:
There must be more fighters in the Forces of Light this time around.
There must be more fighters in the Forces of Light this time around.
These are actually very valid points.
Shadaloo Wrote:
I've had this almost funny mental image in my mind for years, this scenario where they're being chased through a forest, and one of Sektor's incoming homing missiles hits a tree and nearly knocks Sub unconscious. They're near a fast-moving river going down the side of a mountain, so Smoke suggests going downstream. Sub groggily makes a small ice boat. Smoke knocks him out, loads him onto it, and kicks it off just as Ketchup and Mustard arrive over a ridge. Smoke uses rapid-fire teleport/smoke attacks to keep them occupied for a little while, but eventually Cyrax whips out a net that gets him.
I've had this almost funny mental image in my mind for years, this scenario where they're being chased through a forest, and one of Sektor's incoming homing missiles hits a tree and nearly knocks Sub unconscious. They're near a fast-moving river going down the side of a mountain, so Smoke suggests going downstream. Sub groggily makes a small ice boat. Smoke knocks him out, loads him onto it, and kicks it off just as Ketchup and Mustard arrive over a ridge. Smoke uses rapid-fire teleport/smoke attacks to keep them occupied for a little while, but eventually Cyrax whips out a net that gets him.
I always saw it in my mind's eye as Sub and Smoke,back-to-back badasses,tearing their way through the Lin Kuei HQ on full alert. Since waves of mooks don't seem to be effective,the Grandmaster activates the cyborgs,who immediately spring into action and easily catch up to the two renegades. Smoke and Sub try to fight back,but at this point,they are exhausted and wounded. Smoke pushes Sub out of the way of an attack. Sub gets off with a scar,but Smoke takes the brunt of the damage. The cyborgs are just too fast and too strong,so Sub uses the last of his powers to hastily retreat. Smoke's broken body is dragged off into the labs deep within the compound...
Goddammit,this scene makes me pop a boner just thinking about the awesome ways it could be done...
Casselman Wrote:
Well IF every Lin Kuei recruit actually had powers (dunno if it was said 100% of them did).
Well IF every Lin Kuei recruit actually had powers (dunno if it was said 100% of them did).
I'm pretty sure the entire point of Lin Kuei is to have a clan of super-powered assassins. Remember,the whole reason why the bitter rivalry between the Lin Kuei and the Shirai Ryu started was because Takeda deserted the clan and reinterpreted its teachings to the point where a regular Joe could master these mythical techniques with enough practice,and the Lin Kuei decided that this shit just ain't gonna fly.
Casselman Wrote:
id have to go out on a limb and guess it was power with flames somehow. its really the only ability he has that could be natural.
id have to go out on a limb and guess it was power with flames somehow. its really the only ability he has that could be natural.
I'd be inclined to agree.
Flamethrower aside,you can argue that even the missiles are tangentially fire-related. I mean,a missile ultimately produces an explosion,so you could argue that a missile is essentially fire encased in a shell of metal... Kind of like Sektor himself.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
'Course Cyrax is just in-fuckin'-scrutable. The dude's moves are ENTIRELY weapons related and his name is a flat-out nonsense word.
'Course Cyrax is just in-fuckin'-scrutable. The dude's moves are ENTIRELY weapons related and his name is a flat-out nonsense word.
A couple of good fanfics I read suggested that his green (acidic???) net was his original power pre-cyberization. Considering that it's his most unique and defining special move,I could see that work. Hell,since most of his gameplay revolves around setups with the bombs and the net,maybe he was the master trapper of the clan?
A spider motif could work here.
EDIT: Fuck,you guys got to this idea before me! >:3
Maybe that uncanny skill and adaptability when it comes to weaponry of multiple types IS his superpower. I'm thinking something along the lines of Taskmaster,maybe.
Another thing to consider is just the variety of his arsenal and his reliance on mechanical contraptions in general. I'd suggest that he was probably quite the techie,except that actually sounds more like Sektor,seeing as he volunteered for the procedure and all.
Zmoke Wrote:
Cyrax in the other hand could have been a Spiderman-like character. As I mentioned before, I believe I actually know the naming backgrounds for every single Mortal Kombat word. That's because I ran the ambitious project for revealing all the possible Mortal Kombat word's naming backgrounds in Midway Boards a year ago. Cyrax is "unstoppable" in Arabic.
Cyrax in the other hand could have been a Spiderman-like character. As I mentioned before, I believe I actually know the naming backgrounds for every single Mortal Kombat word. That's because I ran the ambitious project for revealing all the possible Mortal Kombat word's naming backgrounds in Midway Boards a year ago. Cyrax is "unstoppable" in Arabic.
Wait,what? Really?
Holy shit,that's badass.
Where can I read more of that naming background project that you speak of? :3
SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
As for Smoke, I almost seeing him becoming a drifter/wild card on Earthrealm after his automation, provided that he doesn't get captured by Khan's extermination squads and thrown into his dungeon as some kind of trophy. If he's going to deal with his automation, I'd almost prefer him doing it on his own. Having him captured by Sektor, Noob Saibot, or Khan would be a case of retreading old ground. Joining the Special Forces with Cyrax would be too easy, same goes with joining a reformed Lin Kuei. I'd just like to see them do something new with him.
As for Smoke, I almost seeing him becoming a drifter/wild card on Earthrealm after his automation, provided that he doesn't get captured by Khan's extermination squads and thrown into his dungeon as some kind of trophy. If he's going to deal with his automation, I'd almost prefer him doing it on his own. Having him captured by Sektor, Noob Saibot, or Khan would be a case of retreading old ground. Joining the Special Forces with Cyrax would be too easy, same goes with joining a reformed Lin Kuei. I'd just like to see them do something new with him.
How about giving him Sektor's MK3 ending? You know,the one where he fights his way into Kahn's trans-dimensional fortress,and once inside,activates his self-destruction sequence,resulting in an explosion so massive that it closes the portal and sends Kahn back into Outworld?
Oh yeah,you read that right. He blows the fuck up so hard that Kahn falls out of Earthrealm.
It always kinda annoyed me that none of the three cyborgs ever used their self-destruction capabilities in-canon. It was such a fucking Chekhov's Gun,it drove me nuts.
Now,we all know that Planet Exploder fatality,as silly as it was,that out of the three cyborgs,Smoke theoretically has the biggest destructive potential. His death would be tragic,but holy shit,he'd go out with a hell of bang and will forever be remembered as a savior to Earthrealm.
Beats getting stuck in a trophy room,if you ask me.
SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
I should find my old Smoke thread and copy/paste the look I'd want for his human look. Also, I think Cyborg Smoke (since he looks like he might be DLC rather than a character slot) should be the most sleek looking of all three cyborgs. Since he strikes me as a stealth based fighter, as well as being the last of the top Lin Kuei assassins to be automated, he should also be the most state-of-the-art. And sleek, I mean Adam Jensen-Deus Ex 3- arms sleek. Black and silver, nice rounded edges, maybe purple glowing eyes.
I should find my old Smoke thread and copy/paste the look I'd want for his human look. Also, I think Cyborg Smoke (since he looks like he might be DLC rather than a character slot) should be the most sleek looking of all three cyborgs. Since he strikes me as a stealth based fighter, as well as being the last of the top Lin Kuei assassins to be automated, he should also be the most state-of-the-art. And sleek, I mean Adam Jensen-Deus Ex 3- arms sleek. Black and silver, nice rounded edges, maybe purple glowing eyes.
I'd agree,but it's going to be next to impossible to top Cyrax in terms of sleekness. I mean,he looks sleek enough to pass off as a chick.
Remember those concept arts of Smoke from Deception's Krypt? The ones where he looked liked a fucking Helghast with gas hoses sticking out of him? That's what I'm talking about.
I mean,a gas mask is a fucking must. It's a wonderful thing to base a design around. Not to mention that gas masks look fucking creepy as shit. Some prime nightmare fuel right there.
Throw in some gas exhaust ports,some of them gas hoses,some mini-turbines here and there to fan the smoke with,and we're gold.
Shadaloo Wrote:
As much as I've loved using Scorpion's harpoon and the robot variation of it, he's been stripped of that for a good long while now, and it should stay that way. No one's going to argue that Scorpion doesn't OWN that spear. With that in mind, I still think he feels odd without some type of projectile with stun capability, so I propose an element of that traditional ninja mystique be added, and give him the ability to toss something out that holds the enemy in place, like an actual smoke bomb (Matches with him seem like they could be full of coughing), or perhaps a bolo projectile.
As much as I've loved using Scorpion's harpoon and the robot variation of it, he's been stripped of that for a good long while now, and it should stay that way. No one's going to argue that Scorpion doesn't OWN that spear. With that in mind, I still think he feels odd without some type of projectile with stun capability, so I propose an element of that traditional ninja mystique be added, and give him the ability to toss something out that holds the enemy in place, like an actual smoke bomb (Matches with him seem like they could be full of coughing), or perhaps a bolo projectile.
I've seen the idea of a kusarigama being thrown around pretty consistently whenever Smoke is mentioned.
ADDENDUM - Almost forgot about my own Human Smoke idea. :3 Shadaloo,thanks for salvaging it from that clusterfuck of a thread. Let's see what we got here...
Well,it's actually canon that Quan Chi is prone to those bond-villain moments. Consider his massive Scorpion fuckup at the end of MK4.
That's not exactly what I meant,though. Quan Chi would no doubt fuck Smoke up something fierce in a one-on-one,but Smoke's role should be that of a stealth and infiltration expert. I reckon he'd somehow follow Quan Chi's trail to the Living Forest,where he'd maybe go after him into the portal to the Netherrealm. Once there,he'd sneak around,unseen,to eventually discover what Quan Chi and Shinnok are plotting,but then maybe the energies of the Netherrealm would start to affect his powers,at which point his disguise would fail,he'd have to run for his life and...
...
Actually,I think I just wrote myself into a corner here. Smoke's soul is not nearly tainted enough,so the Netherrealm would immediately reject him.
Fuck. ;_;
Now,this brings to mind something you brought up in the previous thread,where you actually elaborated on how exactly would it make him feel:
This. This is crucial.
So,to reiterate,let's say that Smoke really was very devoted to the clan,and the main reason he went rogue was because he believed the cyberization program was a complete perversion of the original principles it was founded on. From this point,he is at the crossroads.
A) He could believe that the cyborgs are horrible abominations of nature and make his life-long mission to track and destroy them. If we take this route,we can turn Smoke into a complete technophobe.
He can go places from there... Like,for instance:
In his relentless hunt for the cyborgs,he'd sustain heavy damage and would have to start relying on some cybernetic prostheses just to survive and carry on with his mission,ironically,losing his humanity and becoming something he hates in the process.
Hell,maybe Sub-Zero is the one who recovers his battered body after the battle with the cyborgs and makes the decision to give him these life-supporting implants just to save his friend's life? And when Smoke comes to and realizes what happened to him,he'd absolutely hate Sub-Zero for what he did and want him to die?
This is good shit right here.
B) Smoke decides that the entire Lin Kuei is so fucked that it's beyond saving. He dedicates his life to wiping the clan off the face of the earth. Sub-Zero,however,would rather minimize the needless sacrifices,so he decides to take over the clan and reform it in his own image,just like in MKDA. So there's immediately a conflict between the two.
Oh no.
That's bad,then. Remember,ideally,all we want to do is prevent Armageddon from happening,thus,removing it from canon. If Raiden's actions in this game will result in MK4-MKD never happening in this timeline,I will rage like I never raged before.
I just looked it up,and it turns out that that was his UMK3 ending,which was rendered obsolete and replaced by a better one when MKT rolled around. Still,very good catch. His appearance in the Living Forest is one of the very few things we can actually lean on canonically,anyway.
Smoke getting seduced by a dryad and becoming a symbiotic being with the Living Forest is way fucking out there,but for some weird reason,I somehow like this idea. I mean,if this was a what-if ending,I'd lol at how ridiculous yet strangely awesome it is.
Shadaloo Wrote:
How would he find out, though? That's gotta be something that Quan would keep close to his chest. I'm the last person to blather about power levels or anything, but I don't think Smoke would last too long in a fight with Quan. Quan would have to spill the whole thing in a bond-movie villain moment of overconfidence after he beats him, perhaps?
How would he find out, though? That's gotta be something that Quan would keep close to his chest. I'm the last person to blather about power levels or anything, but I don't think Smoke would last too long in a fight with Quan. Quan would have to spill the whole thing in a bond-movie villain moment of overconfidence after he beats him, perhaps?
Well,it's actually canon that Quan Chi is prone to those bond-villain moments. Consider his massive Scorpion fuckup at the end of MK4.
That's not exactly what I meant,though. Quan Chi would no doubt fuck Smoke up something fierce in a one-on-one,but Smoke's role should be that of a stealth and infiltration expert. I reckon he'd somehow follow Quan Chi's trail to the Living Forest,where he'd maybe go after him into the portal to the Netherrealm. Once there,he'd sneak around,unseen,to eventually discover what Quan Chi and Shinnok are plotting,but then maybe the energies of the Netherrealm would start to affect his powers,at which point his disguise would fail,he'd have to run for his life and...
...
Actually,I think I just wrote myself into a corner here. Smoke's soul is not nearly tainted enough,so the Netherrealm would immediately reject him.
Fuck. ;_;
Shadaloo Wrote:
I really do enjoy having Smoke be a part of the major reason the cybernization program gets underway though. Nice touch.
I really do enjoy having Smoke be a part of the major reason the cybernization program gets underway though. Nice touch.
Now,this brings to mind something you brought up in the previous thread,where you actually elaborated on how exactly would it make him feel:
Shadaloo Wrote:
There's the factor of his MK2 status to consider, however. 2011 will probably show us why he was there in the first place - maybe even why he was hanging around Goro's Lair, if they want to get into it enough (Maybe he was chasing Edenian booty :P). That retroactively gives us more time to build him up, so that there's potential for the events surrounding the conversion process to have a profound effect on him even sans automation. Of course I don't delude myself - the kind of effect necessary to equal having one's own humanity stolen away can only be equalled by death. But for me, the payoff comes with seeing how he will react to the automation as a person. I imagine him as someone who's felt very loyal to the clan, and who considers the process dishonorable, an aberration, and a betrayal of the Lin Kuei's traditions. He;d be devastated in all likelihood if that were the case. Even if it means sacrificing the automation, it will be worth it to me to witness how he reacts to something like that - heck, almost anything at all - as a person. I can take that knowledge and apply it to the original canon - then perhaps, if his character is treated right, I can get back that sense of tragedy I've felt in recent years is lessened in scale from what I imagined it to be.
There's the factor of his MK2 status to consider, however. 2011 will probably show us why he was there in the first place - maybe even why he was hanging around Goro's Lair, if they want to get into it enough (Maybe he was chasing Edenian booty :P). That retroactively gives us more time to build him up, so that there's potential for the events surrounding the conversion process to have a profound effect on him even sans automation. Of course I don't delude myself - the kind of effect necessary to equal having one's own humanity stolen away can only be equalled by death. But for me, the payoff comes with seeing how he will react to the automation as a person. I imagine him as someone who's felt very loyal to the clan, and who considers the process dishonorable, an aberration, and a betrayal of the Lin Kuei's traditions. He;d be devastated in all likelihood if that were the case. Even if it means sacrificing the automation, it will be worth it to me to witness how he reacts to something like that - heck, almost anything at all - as a person. I can take that knowledge and apply it to the original canon - then perhaps, if his character is treated right, I can get back that sense of tragedy I've felt in recent years is lessened in scale from what I imagined it to be.
This. This is crucial.
So,to reiterate,let's say that Smoke really was very devoted to the clan,and the main reason he went rogue was because he believed the cyberization program was a complete perversion of the original principles it was founded on. From this point,he is at the crossroads.
A) He could believe that the cyborgs are horrible abominations of nature and make his life-long mission to track and destroy them. If we take this route,we can turn Smoke into a complete technophobe.
He can go places from there... Like,for instance:
Zmoke Wrote:
In Mortal Kombat 10, Smoke could have a serious injury which would force him to rely on cybernetics he thought he avoided and what he hated.
In Mortal Kombat 10, Smoke could have a serious injury which would force him to rely on cybernetics he thought he avoided and what he hated.
In his relentless hunt for the cyborgs,he'd sustain heavy damage and would have to start relying on some cybernetic prostheses just to survive and carry on with his mission,ironically,losing his humanity and becoming something he hates in the process.
Hell,maybe Sub-Zero is the one who recovers his battered body after the battle with the cyborgs and makes the decision to give him these life-supporting implants just to save his friend's life? And when Smoke comes to and realizes what happened to him,he'd absolutely hate Sub-Zero for what he did and want him to die?
This is good shit right here.
B) Smoke decides that the entire Lin Kuei is so fucked that it's beyond saving. He dedicates his life to wiping the clan off the face of the earth. Sub-Zero,however,would rather minimize the needless sacrifices,so he decides to take over the clan and reform it in his own image,just like in MKDA. So there's immediately a conflict between the two.
Dragonkeeper1982 Wrote:
T-Rex, pretty good thought/idea about Smoke; and that could keep the DA from becoming which is a start at preventing the DK and Blaze.
T-Rex, pretty good thought/idea about Smoke; and that could keep the DA from becoming which is a start at preventing the DK and Blaze.
Oh no.
That's bad,then. Remember,ideally,all we want to do is prevent Armageddon from happening,thus,removing it from canon. If Raiden's actions in this game will result in MK4-MKD never happening in this timeline,I will rage like I never raged before.
Dragonkeeper1982 Wrote:
I know that this is far-fetched and I'd doubt it would happen, but his MKT ending did say he retreated or something in the Living Forest, which could be found by Jade and they could compare notes.
I know that this is far-fetched and I'd doubt it would happen, but his MKT ending did say he retreated or something in the Living Forest, which could be found by Jade and they could compare notes.
I just looked it up,and it turns out that that was his UMK3 ending,which was rendered obsolete and replaced by a better one when MKT rolled around. Still,very good catch. His appearance in the Living Forest is one of the very few things we can actually lean on canonically,anyway.
Dragonkeeper1982 Wrote:
With this meaning a character that would represent and be part of the control (brain) of the Living Forest, made from and out of the Living Forest, but operate kinda like an afid helps out plants; hell make a plant-looking female that can even seduce Smoke for all we know, assist him with killing whomever, or he could even black-mail the forest by means of smoking it out/killing it with communicating with that female or whomever and make it set a trap for his enemies, that way his powers can become a key element for this game's story; he does need something to help out his character/story and I know there's limits with his abilities except blow smoke around people.
With this meaning a character that would represent and be part of the control (brain) of the Living Forest, made from and out of the Living Forest, but operate kinda like an afid helps out plants; hell make a plant-looking female that can even seduce Smoke for all we know, assist him with killing whomever, or he could even black-mail the forest by means of smoking it out/killing it with communicating with that female or whomever and make it set a trap for his enemies, that way his powers can become a key element for this game's story; he does need something to help out his character/story and I know there's limits with his abilities except blow smoke around people.
Smoke getting seduced by a dryad and becoming a symbiotic being with the Living Forest is way fucking out there,but for some weird reason,I somehow like this idea. I mean,if this was a what-if ending,I'd lol at how ridiculous yet strangely awesome it is.
That's topflight, T-rex. Would you have something in mind that I should perhaps add to the original post? You brought a lot important information from the other topic here. I think there may be more but that shall do for now.
Whether it will be better or worse a plot twist if Smoke joins the Forces of Good, perhaps remaining human, the result will eventually be a lot better; which is ultimately the main point why we are going back to this timeline anyway. Yes, Cyrax is indeed "unstoppable" in Arabic. But they didn't choose the bad-ass adjective randomly for Cyrax; it also has a connection to "cyborg" and possibly "anthrax". Yes, I have all the information restored in my computer. You can ask me any name of MK and I'll most probably smoke it out for you.
In addition, I ran the popular Noob Variations forum game in Midway Boards that I invented, its idea was to create MK-related noob variations or bring some common noob variations you've seen people use (Scropian, Lui Kang, etc). We also came up with some creative new noob variations in the topics, e.g. Quan Cheese that is now a username of an active MK fan. I will eventually bring the unassembled list of Mortal Kombat Name Backgrounds here when I'll have enough time for that. But it won't be an easy piece of cake.
As I had in Midway Boards, I would like to have a couple acolytes alongside from Mortal Kombat Online to make the list happen. Would you want to volunteer as one of my helpers if and when there is something to be done towards the list? You can then access the name backgrounds first-hand. I have allowed everybody to advance the list but there have always been a couple solid helpers out there. The project will proceed and end some time by this winter as I'll strike it up again.
If you've got something more on Smoke, please let us know. As for Shadaloo, I'm waiting. My Human Smoke artwork delays by a day because the file size was too big in here. I will submit it again today.
Whether it will be better or worse a plot twist if Smoke joins the Forces of Good, perhaps remaining human, the result will eventually be a lot better; which is ultimately the main point why we are going back to this timeline anyway. Yes, Cyrax is indeed "unstoppable" in Arabic. But they didn't choose the bad-ass adjective randomly for Cyrax; it also has a connection to "cyborg" and possibly "anthrax". Yes, I have all the information restored in my computer. You can ask me any name of MK and I'll most probably smoke it out for you.
In addition, I ran the popular Noob Variations forum game in Midway Boards that I invented, its idea was to create MK-related noob variations or bring some common noob variations you've seen people use (Scropian, Lui Kang, etc). We also came up with some creative new noob variations in the topics, e.g. Quan Cheese that is now a username of an active MK fan. I will eventually bring the unassembled list of Mortal Kombat Name Backgrounds here when I'll have enough time for that. But it won't be an easy piece of cake.
As I had in Midway Boards, I would like to have a couple acolytes alongside from Mortal Kombat Online to make the list happen. Would you want to volunteer as one of my helpers if and when there is something to be done towards the list? You can then access the name backgrounds first-hand. I have allowed everybody to advance the list but there have always been a couple solid helpers out there. The project will proceed and end some time by this winter as I'll strike it up again.
If you've got something more on Smoke, please let us know. As for Shadaloo, I'm waiting. My Human Smoke artwork delays by a day because the file size was too big in here. I will submit it again today.
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A human smoke? I always thought smoke in human form would be like a rip off of Noob Saibot :l Not liking this "human" Smoke stuff
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Smokes intro should be
"Where there is smoke there is Cancer"
"Where there is smoke there is Cancer"
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Where there is smoke there is... a polarising fan opinion about what form he should take at the slightest chance of his inclusion in a future game.
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Well,T-rex,Shadaloo,Temp,I liked all of your ideas,I really think this thread should be sent to NRS to think about. Well done guys.
I especially liked the idea of Quan Chi hiring Sub-Zero to assasinate Shang Tsung,but when I thought about it,will Sub-Zero help the man,who wanted to kill him in Netherrealm with this Amulet mission.But you can think of,that Quan Chi anonimously contacted NOT Sub-Zero,but Grand Master himself,so Sub-Zero will never know about the employer.
Another thing that bothered me is the ending of MK Mythologies.WHY THE FUCK SHANG TSUNG CAME TO LIN KUEI TO INVITE SUB-ZERO??? (Especially knowing that Sub-Zero is one of the possibly best potential fighters in MK tournament for Earth).Did Shang know something that he wasn't so worried about him(maybe he knew that Scorpion will be there to deal with him)? Bu still,why invite such a good enemy to your tournament? Maybe he was so sure of Goro? Especially with this assasination of Shang Tsung thing,I am really confused,it is like there is SO MUCH behind the scenes? MAYBE SHANG TSUNG MADE A DEAL WITH QUAN CHI so in the end Sub-Zero will end up in Netherrealm? Fucking confusing...But then,why they sent Kuai Liang and Smoke to do the same mission in MK2?
About Smoke...Well,cybernization of Smoke is one of the interesting plots in MK for me for reasons that Razor already wrote in another thread...BUT...Another idea for Smoke in MK2...Lets assume,Sub-Zero and Smoke are sent to finish Bi-Han's mission.Sub-Zero will be participating in the tournament and because of this will ask Smoke to investigate what happened to Bi-Han.So Smoke will go to Goro's Lair and find the place where Scorpion and Sub-Zero fought and encounter Noob Saibot who disappears right away.He will later tell Sub-Zero about this strange creature and some familiar things about him (there should be some).This will explain WHY in Deception Sub-Zero recognized his brother,remembering everything Smoke told him back in MK2.
He won't know that he is chased by Jade who is given the mission to put an eye on everything.On his way back to Outworld,in Living Forest,he fights Jade and there is romance/rivalry/anything between them.If it is romance,it will give him some extra motivations in the future, For example,if he is cybernized,not only memories of friendship with Sub-Zero,but memories of Jade will help him regain his humanity.You must admit that love is a very powerful weapon that can change a lot of things. And I will be curious how Jade will react on Smoke's cybernization.
So,that's basically my dreams for Smoke...
I especially liked the idea of Quan Chi hiring Sub-Zero to assasinate Shang Tsung,but when I thought about it,will Sub-Zero help the man,who wanted to kill him in Netherrealm with this Amulet mission.But you can think of,that Quan Chi anonimously contacted NOT Sub-Zero,but Grand Master himself,so Sub-Zero will never know about the employer.
Another thing that bothered me is the ending of MK Mythologies.WHY THE FUCK SHANG TSUNG CAME TO LIN KUEI TO INVITE SUB-ZERO??? (Especially knowing that Sub-Zero is one of the possibly best potential fighters in MK tournament for Earth).Did Shang know something that he wasn't so worried about him(maybe he knew that Scorpion will be there to deal with him)? Bu still,why invite such a good enemy to your tournament? Maybe he was so sure of Goro? Especially with this assasination of Shang Tsung thing,I am really confused,it is like there is SO MUCH behind the scenes? MAYBE SHANG TSUNG MADE A DEAL WITH QUAN CHI so in the end Sub-Zero will end up in Netherrealm? Fucking confusing...But then,why they sent Kuai Liang and Smoke to do the same mission in MK2?
About Smoke...Well,cybernization of Smoke is one of the interesting plots in MK for me for reasons that Razor already wrote in another thread...BUT...Another idea for Smoke in MK2...Lets assume,Sub-Zero and Smoke are sent to finish Bi-Han's mission.Sub-Zero will be participating in the tournament and because of this will ask Smoke to investigate what happened to Bi-Han.So Smoke will go to Goro's Lair and find the place where Scorpion and Sub-Zero fought and encounter Noob Saibot who disappears right away.He will later tell Sub-Zero about this strange creature and some familiar things about him (there should be some).This will explain WHY in Deception Sub-Zero recognized his brother,remembering everything Smoke told him back in MK2.
He won't know that he is chased by Jade who is given the mission to put an eye on everything.On his way back to Outworld,in Living Forest,he fights Jade and there is romance/rivalry/anything between them.If it is romance,it will give him some extra motivations in the future, For example,if he is cybernized,not only memories of friendship with Sub-Zero,but memories of Jade will help him regain his humanity.You must admit that love is a very powerful weapon that can change a lot of things. And I will be curious how Jade will react on Smoke's cybernization.
So,that's basically my dreams for Smoke...
Nice. I think everybody knows by now that Smoke has got some potential. Hopefully Ed Boon does too, maybe you should tweet him about this. If you'll find further information regarding Human Smoke, be sure to bring it here. I'll bring here another Smoke plot when I'll have a solid one. I'm sure that we will have something else about Human Smoke coming up before that in here though.
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i've always imagined smoke and sub-zero fighting sektor and cyrax in a desert, eventually cyrax hits subby with a net and smoke beats the shit out of the robots before leading them away from sub-zero who gets rescued by nightwolf,
but this time they raiden tells them and they leave the lin kiue early and get to nightwolfs reservation,
eventually smoke and subby lead the robots away from the others and get into a tag team fight on the rooftops which they win,
after kahn loses, smoke and sub zero take over the lin kiue and make the two robots theyre personal assasins.
but this time they raiden tells them and they leave the lin kiue early and get to nightwolfs reservation,
eventually smoke and subby lead the robots away from the others and get into a tag team fight on the rooftops which they win,
after kahn loses, smoke and sub zero take over the lin kiue and make the two robots theyre personal assasins.
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Zmoke Wrote:
Sektor Volunteered for automation out of dedication to the clan. Not because he was unfit as a human warrior. He was a devoted and great assassin.
Secondly. he diddnt just "embrace" being a cyborg to get to where he was, his circuits were damaged in battle.
Hopefully MK2011 will shed some more light on the Lin Kuei themselves as a whole. I want to see how some of this palys out.
Okay. Here we go. I'm going to try and present this in bio-ending format, divided into 2 sections, MK2 and MK3:
MK2 bio:
"A loyal assassin of the Lin Kuei, Smoke is dispatched alongside his comrade Sub-Zero. While his brother-in-arms is sent to complete the task his predecessor apparently failed, Smoke is secretly assigned to bring back proof of Bi-Han's demise."
MK2 ending:
"Smoke's instructions are coded: If Bi-Han still lives, Smoke is to kill him for his failure. After searching through the ruins of Shang Tsung's island, he learns from the Edenian warrior Jade that a shadowy warrior greatly resembling his target has requested an audience with the Emperor."
"Locating the entity, he gives chase, but it escapes through a portal into the Netherealm, through which Smoke cannot follow. He reports these events to the Lin Kuei, but is shunned for his inability to bring back proof. Smoke has begun to percieve that the Lin Kuei are lacking in honor, and that for his failure, his own days serving them may be numbered."
MK3 bio:
"Wary of his superiors, Smoke investigates the criminal dealings of the Grandmaster, and learns of a plot to transform their best warriors into soulless machines. Alerting his ally Sub-Zero, the two renounce their clan and flee for their souls."
MK3 ending:
"After overcoming their cybernetic pursuers, Smoke moves to destroy the abominations Cyrax and Sektor, but is stopped by Sub-Zero. Smoke refuses to believe that the two can be rehabilitated, and turns his back on his ally in disgust when this inattention permits Sektor to escape."
"Knowing that the treacherous Lin Kuei aim to spread their influence and do business with other realms, but powerless to extinguish them alone, Smoke journeys to the realm of Seido. He recruits the assistance of Hotaru, who is all too willing to help him prevent further emergence of criminal activity in all its forms. Soon commanding a legion of Seidan guardsmen, Smoke will eventually return to Earthrealm to exterminate the Lin Kuei...no matter what their form."
Well, there it is. I figure he could well and truly find a home with the Seidan Guardsmen as he perceives order to be the brother of honor (there's a sense of irony there, as Hotaru at least is shown to be almost as mindless as a robot). If the Lin Kuei are lead by Sub-Zero by the time he gets back, it could lead to a confrontation between the two of them, or he could focus his efforts on the Tekunin. He could also in time realize he's made a terrible mistake if Seido tries to spread its order to Earthrealm, and he sees Hotaru for the zealot he is.
Ok, tear it up!
MK2 bio:
"A loyal assassin of the Lin Kuei, Smoke is dispatched alongside his comrade Sub-Zero. While his brother-in-arms is sent to complete the task his predecessor apparently failed, Smoke is secretly assigned to bring back proof of Bi-Han's demise."
MK2 ending:
"Smoke's instructions are coded: If Bi-Han still lives, Smoke is to kill him for his failure. After searching through the ruins of Shang Tsung's island, he learns from the Edenian warrior Jade that a shadowy warrior greatly resembling his target has requested an audience with the Emperor."
"Locating the entity, he gives chase, but it escapes through a portal into the Netherealm, through which Smoke cannot follow. He reports these events to the Lin Kuei, but is shunned for his inability to bring back proof. Smoke has begun to percieve that the Lin Kuei are lacking in honor, and that for his failure, his own days serving them may be numbered."
MK3 bio:
"Wary of his superiors, Smoke investigates the criminal dealings of the Grandmaster, and learns of a plot to transform their best warriors into soulless machines. Alerting his ally Sub-Zero, the two renounce their clan and flee for their souls."
MK3 ending:
"After overcoming their cybernetic pursuers, Smoke moves to destroy the abominations Cyrax and Sektor, but is stopped by Sub-Zero. Smoke refuses to believe that the two can be rehabilitated, and turns his back on his ally in disgust when this inattention permits Sektor to escape."
"Knowing that the treacherous Lin Kuei aim to spread their influence and do business with other realms, but powerless to extinguish them alone, Smoke journeys to the realm of Seido. He recruits the assistance of Hotaru, who is all too willing to help him prevent further emergence of criminal activity in all its forms. Soon commanding a legion of Seidan guardsmen, Smoke will eventually return to Earthrealm to exterminate the Lin Kuei...no matter what their form."
Well, there it is. I figure he could well and truly find a home with the Seidan Guardsmen as he perceives order to be the brother of honor (there's a sense of irony there, as Hotaru at least is shown to be almost as mindless as a robot). If the Lin Kuei are lead by Sub-Zero by the time he gets back, it could lead to a confrontation between the two of them, or he could focus his efforts on the Tekunin. He could also in time realize he's made a terrible mistake if Seido tries to spread its order to Earthrealm, and he sees Hotaru for the zealot he is.
Ok, tear it up!
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cagedrage Wrote:
i've always imagined smoke and sub-zero fighting sektor and cyrax in a desert, eventually cyrax hits subby with a net and smoke beats the shit out of the robots before leading them away from sub-zero who gets rescued by nightwolf,
but this time they raiden tells them and they leave the lin kiue early and get to nightwolfs reservation,
eventually smoke and subby lead the robots away from the others and get into a tag team fight on the rooftops which they win,
after kahn loses, smoke and sub zero take over the lin kiue and make the two robots theyre personal assasins.
i've always imagined smoke and sub-zero fighting sektor and cyrax in a desert, eventually cyrax hits subby with a net and smoke beats the shit out of the robots before leading them away from sub-zero who gets rescued by nightwolf,
but this time they raiden tells them and they leave the lin kiue early and get to nightwolfs reservation,
eventually smoke and subby lead the robots away from the others and get into a tag team fight on the rooftops which they win,
after kahn loses, smoke and sub zero take over the lin kiue and make the two robots theyre personal assasins.
I always figured that Sub-Zero and Smoke would try and restore Cyraz and Sektor to their human forms if they were able to.
Intriguing fan-fiction, Shadaloo. You somewhat polished the old Mortal Kombat II theories we had into the MKII stories of yours. The Mortal Kombat 3 ending was interesting, a plot twist that would surprise the player. I would have excepted you to involve Quan Chi somehow in his storyline as in earlier creations we've had here though. This Orderrealm-Outworld-Earthrealm conflict could create a huge intergalactic war that could possibly cause One Being appearing from the historic storyline. What do you think of the symbiosis idea between Smoke and the Living Forest?
Okay okay. Could you provide me the message of mine you are referring to? I'm not sure are you trying to cause a debate here or what because I agree that Sektor did volunteer for automation. I'd like to see further revelations of Lin Kuei in the up-coming game too.
Casselman Wrote:
Sektor Volunteered for automation out of dedication to the clan. Not because he was unfit as a human warrior. He was a devoted and great assassin.
Secondly. he diddnt just "embrace" being a cyborg to get to where he was, his circuits were damaged in battle.
Hopefully MK2011 will shed some more light on the Lin Kuei themselves as a whole. I want to see how some of this palys out.
Zmoke Wrote:
Sektor Volunteered for automation out of dedication to the clan. Not because he was unfit as a human warrior. He was a devoted and great assassin.
Secondly. he diddnt just "embrace" being a cyborg to get to where he was, his circuits were damaged in battle.
Hopefully MK2011 will shed some more light on the Lin Kuei themselves as a whole. I want to see how some of this palys out.
Okay okay. Could you provide me the message of mine you are referring to? I'm not sure are you trying to cause a debate here or what because I agree that Sektor did volunteer for automation. I'd like to see further revelations of Lin Kuei in the up-coming game too.
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i like idea of smoke <3 jade romance. they'd be mk only inter-racial couple. and both of them are my favourite mk character
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noobsmoke_mk Wrote:
they'd be mk only inter-racial couple
they'd be mk only inter-racial couple
It's only "interracial" if one of them's black? What about Liu being Chinese and Kitana not? Chinese is a race.
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Ion3008 Wrote:
Oh god I just realized something about Smoke's intro quote
Where there is Smoke there is..Fire
Oh god I just realized something about Smoke's intro quote
Where there is Smoke there is..Fire
WOW...even the music was shittier in Annihilation.
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