There's a difference between not liking this particular costume and believing Mileena should dress in full Arabic garb.

For people defending MK for putting art over realism... what games have you been playing? Every fighting game known to man does that. Unless suddenly a gigantic monster with a huge sword is realistic, or a massive 100+ year old man who fires fireballs from his stomach is realistic. It isn't about realism, it's simply about being tired of the same rehashed costumes time and time again. MK isn't unique or special for having nearly naked females fighting in costumes that would almost certainly not stay on 10 seconds in battle... every fighting game employs the sex sells gimmick. Mileena's costume is bad in that it is unrealistic and would simply not even stay on in a fight, not to mention they just have to put their female characters in heels.

"Mileena should look like a whore in her costume" is an opinion, not a fact. Before people try to pounce on board and say that simply because she's revealing skin its slutty, that is not true. There's a difference between tasteful and slutty. Mileena is not tasteful, certainly. Again, there's a difference between the costume fitting the character's personality and just being plain ridiculous. Mortal Kombat females, and fighting game females in general, tend to fall into that last category.

I'm sure someone did, but you can't honestly assume that everyone is going to like everything. The point being is that loving everything MK related is perfectly fine, but disliking something garners immediate flames and arguments. People are assuming they're going to LOVE the game with the exact same amount of knowledge that the people who aren't sure they're going to love it are using. Why is it not okay to not like everything?

"Blank makes perfect sense if that is what a person thinks" is not really how the world works. Reality is not subjective.

Again, it's exactly like believing Batman should be a bank robber. It's the exact opposite of everything he stands for AND the fact that he's already rich.

And Mileena's character is that of a neglected sibling with a desperate need for both attention and for people to look at any part of her but her hideously deformed face. She's also an assassin by trade and sexuality is a powerful way to get closer to or distract a target.

So while someone is certainly entitled to BELIEVE something incorrect, like that Batman should commit crimes or Mileena shouldn't be an exhibitionist, or the sky is green and grass is purple and cats grow on trees, the rest of the world is even MORE entitled to tell them they're wrong.
Look, if the opinion being expressed here were one that doesn't contradict personality and was purely a matter of taste, that's different. That's okay. I'm not gonna argue with someone who says "I don't like the gloves" or "I hate the gold stripes" or "the mask looks stupid". Hell, I'm not happy with Scorpion's, Kitana's, and Cyrax's costumes myself. I got no problem with general negativity or complaints that make sense.
But they aren't saying they don't like the costume because they don't like the costume. They're saying they don't like the costume solely because of how revealing it is. And the fact is, revealing is appropriate when it's Mileena. They're being ignorant towards the character.

Who's pouncing? Everything looks civil to me.

And it really depends on what you mean by ridiculous. If it's ridiculous because it's revealing, then I disagree. Edenian culture (and many ancient historical cultures) has a very revealing standard of fashion. Mileena has to one up that standard in order to be the center of attention.

As for the practicality of it, there's ways of rationalizing over that problem. The cloth could be enchanted for all we know.

No one is making wild comments about the sky being hot pink and the rain being velveeta cheese. You cannot discount someone's taste or opinion on something because you believe it to be inaccurate or the person is in denial about the character. You also can't assume that just because it fits in your mind that Person A would do Action A in Outfit A is true of everything and everyone.

When it comes down to it, arguments can be made for both sides and while I can entertain your viewpoint without accepting it as my own, I just do not think we're going to see eye to eye on it. I have to agree with Crow and I lean more towards that this is just following the trend of video games and not really about what Mileena might wear or do if she were an actual person. That's all fine and dandy if you disagree, but don't start in on someone because they want her breasts to be covered or at least secured in her outfit.

See, that's where you and I are disagreeing. Once it becomes about personality, I don't believe it's a matter of "taste" anymore. I believe it's a matter of following canon.
I don't agree that Mileena is nearly naked just because Kasumi and Ivy are nearly naked in their games or anything like that. Maybe Kitana is wearing a two-piece when she should be the modest one because of Kasumi and Ivy. Maybe Sonya's nipples poke out her shirt because of Kasumi and Ivy. Maybe for those characters, it's a valid point. For those characters, there is a dissonance between their looks and their personality.
But Mileena simply IS an exhibitionist. She is dressed how she "should" be dressed from a story standpoint.
Political correctness and sexism shouldn't even be parts of the argument because that's the wrong side of the fourth wall to look at the characters from. Everyone should be dressed in a way that fits THEM and fleshes out their character/expresses who they are on the inside, not in a way that fits societal standards or treats people with a completely artificial sense of fairness and sterilization. Ashrah wasn't dressed like a nun to even the PC scales, she was dressed like a nun because her character was trying to purify herself of sin and become a holy warrior. Modesty fit her personality. And so it should be for everyone in the game.

"Do you find me sexy? DIE!"

Going with RazorsEdge on this. If not slutty, Mileena's a character very comfortable with her body (if not her face) and likes flaunting it. There's been a conscious effort to have her on the sensual side of the fence since at least MKSM, likely MKD (her post-fatality pose and moan of satisfaction).

I kind of treat it as a voting system. I know the creators probably won't read 99% of the content on the forums, but I try to write my posts as if they read this stuff 24/7. That's why I support and shoot down ideas much of the time, and sometimes it gets a little aggressive. I won't lie: to an extent, I am trying to invalidate someone else's "vote" by knocking down their ideas, but it's not because I don't respect the person. It's a game of influence; I'm a customer trying to affect the creative process. I make a conscious effort not to offend/hurt anyone, but sometimes there isn't a soft way of saying, "no, I think that's completely wrong."

This is why I moderate and not debate. Knowingly making another person's opinion feel unwelcome because it doesn't match the status quo is a really mean thing to do. People are here to discuss. Everyone has opinions and yours is no better than anyone else's. More valued? Perhaps. More thought out? Perhaps. Better articulated? Perhaps.

Anyways, I said what I wanted to say. Watching the discussions from the outside allows me a very different perspective and I'm going to make sure that everyone gets their chance to speak their mind without getting "invalidated". People have the right not to agree but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be heard or valued. I'm a bit flabbergasted at all of this. I really am.

Anyways, back on topic. My message box is open for anyone who wants to reply. Any replying in here will be deleted. Thanks guys and gals.

Gamesradar has a few sceenshots you can see cyrax and kitana but its little far away but better than nothing i guess


http://www.gamesradar.com/f/pax-2010-in-pictures/a-2010090317296881027

Sweet, the first select screen shot of the new build.

I've made an early thread for PAX in case you guys want to discuss it.

What make you mean, his mask is broken. Has it been confirm that his mask was broken? If so, please show me. In the picture you provided, it seems the beak part is not of his physiology but just a mask which he holds in his hand. So he's just a raptilian with a turtle like costume. And if it's broken, why do they always show him with tha half broken mask? If it's worn out from beating during the battle, that is understandable, but it seems to show him almost everytime with that beak. The only exception is the picture you provided, and that show he's holding the beak mask in his hand. Take a look at these pictures of the latest Reptile and a turtle

http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/perl/cds.cgi?external_action=displayImage&id;=2335

http://www.turtlemax.com/images/P/n6400.jpg

Do you see how Reptitle's fingers are like claws with long nails. Look at the turtles, it feets are like claws with long nails too.

I know you respect my opinion dude. But it isn't just the fact that this costume is so painfully slutty (which it is, and I think they can achieve the same effect on Milleena as the most fucked-up, sexualised character without resorting to what they've done here), but that it's illogically slutty. I know, you said MK has always put artistic value over realism, and I totally agree! That's what's great about it.

But, to me, this has no artistic value. This is the equivalent of UMK3 where someone would explode and five skulls would come crashing down. There's styled unrealism, and then there's just utter stupid (subjective, I know).

Everybody has their lines when it comes to suspending disbelief, this one just totally crosses it for me. And what annoys me most is that the MK team seem to be getting progressively worse at it with every game. There doesn't seem to be any looking back and saying "Hey, maybe we should think about what we're doing here". They did it with the atrocious blood and gore of UMK3, is it too much to ask that they do it with their costume design as well?

Call me crazy, but I think they can follow canon without taking inspiration from something you'd find lying in a Bangkok gutter. But hey, that seems like that's what the MK fans really want so more power to Ed.

I knew you'd like that. :)

I guess it depends on what type of realism you mean. If it's unrealistic because of the costume's physical limitations in regards to fighting, I don't think it's a deal breaker, but the writers should create a backstory that covers that angle. It could involve magic, science, etc., as long as that specific base is covered.

On the other hand, if you're saying it's unrealistic because no fighter WOULD ever wear a costume like that, then I still disagree. There is sort of an Egyptian/tribal aesthetic to Edenian clothing, so the women of that culture tend to wear less clothing. That makes Mileena's costume a bit of a challenge, because in order to display her sexual vanity, they have make her a costume that is even more revealing than Kitana and Jade's outfit. In that respect, I think they did a good job considering the task.

As for the general topic of opinions, I was reading my previous posts and thinking, "wow, I could not have phrased my thoughts in a more unclear and saturated way." What I was trying to get at is that arguing is all about the ideas, not users. I just want MK to be the best game possible, so If I see an idea I like, I make a case for it; if I see an idea I don't like, I make a case against. Ultimately, no matter what the situation, I'm not going to post something if I feel it's going to hurt someone's feelings, even if I believe I'm right to the nth fucking degree. Some of my posts don't get as much thought put into them as others, and sometimes they come off caustic. It's not intentional.

Even Sincubus' anti-YoungZero campaign doesn't bother me in the long run. I argue my point; he argues his point. We both win.