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Spider804
03/16/2011 06:27 AM (UTC)
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What theblackranger said, DO IT MAN!!!
You'll hear no arguments from me, I assure you. smile
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03/16/2011 06:31 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with it after MK9 comes out though because 9 is clearly an alternate universe, so it's like...do I go ahead and say, for example, "Well if Smoke's name is Tomas and he got his powers in a cult sacrifice in this universe, it must've been the same in the old canon too" and add that stuff in? Or do I try to keep the two timelines completely separate from one another? There's suddenly this big, weird gray area with some characters now, y'know?

I say whatever doesn't directly contradict the original canon is legit.

So Stryker being John McClane would be canon. I WANT it to be canon,lol.

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Y'know, if I did post something like that, people would just have to accept "This is one man's ATTEMPT to make it all linear and make sense, some of it is conjecture and educated hypothesis, don't argue, just go with it" and you'll NEVER get people on MKO to not argue. I hate having to argue back. I get sick of it and that's what stops me from doing that sort of giant project.

Are you going to do this on a game basis or a character basis? Because whatever the case,it'll help you divide your work into clearly defined chunks. Finish a chunk and just drop it here for everyone to read. I got your back on the "arguing back" part,so don't even worry about that shit,bro. grin

Or,you know,think of it as a little test drive. After you're done with a particular character,let people read it. If you did a perfect job explaining everything,no one should really have any questions. If people still ask questions after reading what you wrote,you can just add the answers in the next revision.
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Spider804
03/16/2011 06:33 AM (UTC)
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Dude dude dude, I want Stryker McClane to be canon, too. grin
Test drive, baby!
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03/16/2011 06:36 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Or do I try to keep the two timelines completely separate from one another? There's suddenly this big, weird gray area with some characters now, y'know?


Separate from each other seems like the most graceful solution. The only catch there is if MK2011 gets it's own thing, then would Shaolin Monks?

And whether I do or I don't, posting it then invites all kinds of people who will nitpick or go "where is this from?" or "Are you sure that's canon?" or "That's not how it went in this game or that game!" and I don't want to write it in the form of a wikipedia entry and cite sources every five words,


But even if you did write in the Wiki fashion, you'd still have nitpickers. It's just unavoidable. Best to go with whatever you have now and let the whiners dig up their own sources. It's not all that difficult.

Y'know, if I did post something like that, people would just have to accept "This is one man's ATTEMPT to make it all linear and make sense, some of it is conjecture and educated hypothesis, don't argue, just go with it" and you'll NEVER get people on MKO to not argue. I hate having to argue back. I get sick of it and that's what stops me from doing that sort of giant project.


Though you wouldn't have to 'argue back' as your take would already be in said project. And besides, most anyone who complains or argues would be doing so with the same logic (?) we see on the boards. Not something I'd worry about.
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03/16/2011 06:38 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

Nitara's orb has nothing to do with the Kamidogus. The story of the orb is that every time Shao Kahn merges a realm with Outworld, one of these orbs is created for some reason. It's a focus point for the magic that binds Outworld and the other realm together. Kahn hides these orbs so people can't find them and free their realms, at least not easily. Nitara of course did end up finding and smashing her's, setting her realm free.

Speaking of that particular orb,I was thinking about it lately,and I realized that it's kind of a wonderful coincidence that the Dragon King's Holy Men set up shop in exactly the same lava cavern that Kahn hid the realm-binding orb in. I guess they got really lucky there,because it doesn't seem like Kahn ever checked up on that orb or at least had anyone,you know,keep watch over it. It's kind of an important artifact to just leave lying around,even if it is underneath a lake of lava.
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03/16/2011 06:39 AM (UTC)
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OptimusGrime Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
What the fuck is Ashrah?


Raiden's daughter.
no, she was a demon who wanted to escape the netherrealm. she found a kriss that would help her get out of the netherrealm by slayng other demons. each kill would make her remove a taint on her soul until she ascended out of there by becoming pure. no one can live in the netherealm if they have no evil.


Good Lord. I need my own Outdoorsman show where I fish for stupid.
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RazorsEdge701
03/16/2011 07:10 AM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
Are you going to do this on a game basis or a character basis? Because whatever the case,it'll help you divide your work into clearly defined chunks. Finish a chunk and just drop it here for everyone to read. I got your back on the "arguing back" part,so don't even worry about that shit,bro. grin

Or,you know,think of it as a little test drive. After you're done with a particular character,let people read it. If you did a perfect job explaining everything,no one should really have any questions. If people still ask questions after reading what you wrote,you can just add the answers in the next revision.


Chronological order, starting with how the One Being and Elder Gods formed the realms, to how Shao Kahn conquered Outworld, to Edenia, to Shinnok, then game-by-game from Mythologies to Armageddon.

I have all of that pretty much done already. This is something I've been fiddling with for about the past year or two in secret, to be honest.

For the individual characters, I'll probably write out bios at each game interval. This is what I haven't really typed in yet.
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03/16/2011 07:45 AM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:I would have to say that his sister didn't have any powers, or else the Lin Kuei would have taken her too. Either she never developed powers, or they were too miniscule to be of any use.


It's also important to note that every major Lin Kuei member PRIOR to Sub-Zero's reign from DA was male. It's also not un-common for orders of assassin's to be comprised solely of males. They may not have taken the sister because of this, hell I wouldn't even rule Frost out as the sister, making her a sort of prodigal daughter to the Lin Kuei, but that's a rather large leap.

It really could boil down to "No Girls Allowed"
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03/16/2011 01:23 PM (UTC)
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1) Shao Kahn's true nature- Mortal Kombat Deception provided two conflicting views of Shao Kahn. One view was that he was a member of Raiden's race, and at one point, was very similar to Raiden in his function in outworld.

The other, more accepted view is that Shao Kahn served Onaga in the way that Shang Tsung serves Shao Kahn. This basically made Shao Kahn out to be a mortal sorcerer who has a acrued great power over the milenia.

Here are some of my theories:

- In the beginning ,there were the Elder Gods and The One Being. The Gods are beings created by The Elder Gods. Perhaps Shao Kahn (and maybe Onaga) are creatures created by the One Being in a mannor very similiar to the way the Elder Gods created Raiden, Fujin, Argus and Lucifer. This would make them deities of sorts, but not actually a part of the "God" lineage.

- Shao Kahn is a God, much like Raiden and Argus. The Gods in MK basically serve the Mortals, and that runs contrary to Shao Kahn's goals. Perhaps he stepped down from his post to become emperor of Outworld, seeing the ability to conquer and have people serve him as preferable to being custodian of a realm.

Mortal Kombat Armageddon mentions that Outworld has a vacancy in the protector role. That could either mean Shao Kahn killed that God, or that Shao Kahn himself was that God, and after his corruption, became more of a warlord than a protector.

- I do not buy the mortal sorcerer route, that Shao Kahn is an Outworld mortal who accumulated great power over the years. I just don't believe that Raiden, The Elder Gods, and Argus would speak Kahn's name in hushed tones, and fear him completely if he were simply a mortal sorcerer.

However, if Shao Kahn is indeed a Mortal Sorcerer, it's possible he derrives his strength from robbing the Outworld protector God of his soul. Something like that could theoretically put Kahn in the God tier without making him a God.
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03/16/2011 03:39 PM (UTC)
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That sounds like a great idea RazorsEdge. I'd be all for that.
On topic, I was wondering what exactly happened to Fujin after Mythologies.
Storyline wise, was he killed and reset like Raiden was in Deception or just injured and returned later.
As well as what Fujin was doing after Elder God Raiden made him the protector of Earth and Raiden returned to retake that spot.
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Spider804
03/16/2011 03:42 PM (UTC)
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Same here, I'd like to read that too. smile
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ErmacMk5
03/17/2011 04:52 PM (UTC)
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-Brad- Wrote:
That sounds like a great idea RazorsEdge. I'd be all for that.
On topic, I was wondering what exactly happened to Fujin after Mythologies.
Storyline wise, was he killed and reset like Raiden was in Deception or just injured and returned later.
As well as what Fujin was doing after Elder God Raiden made him the protector of Earth and Raiden returned to retake that spot.


I always thought it was interesting that Fujin was supposed to take Raiden's place after his suicide in Deception; Raiden was literally supposed to be dead. It's a shame they chickened out with that.
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EmperorKahn
03/17/2011 05:40 PM (UTC)
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Didn't it say somewhere that shinnoks amulet could only be created once? if so doesn't that mean it can't be replicated?. this bugged me for a while.
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RazorsEdge701
03/17/2011 05:48 PM (UTC)
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EmperorKahn Wrote:
Didn't it say somewhere that shinnoks amulet could only be created once? if so doesn't that mean it can't be replicated?. this bugged me for a while.


The one Quan made to fool everybody is a dud, obviously. Just a fancy prop.
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03/17/2011 06:16 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
Razor, you gotta write a plot summary of the MK series. Or pass your wisdom onto someone else so that when you go we still got another encyclopedia with us


Y'know, I have been working on something like that in my spare time.

I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with it after MK9 comes out though because 9 is clearly an alternate universe, so it's like...do I go ahead and say, for example, "Well if Smoke's name is Tomas and he got his powers in a cult sacrifice in this universe, it must've been the same in the old canon too" and add that stuff in? Or do I try to keep the two timelines completely separate from one another? There's suddenly this big, weird gray area with some characters now, y'know?

And whether I do or I don't, posting it then invites all kinds of people who will nitpick or go "where is this from?" or "Are you sure that's canon?" or "That's not how it went in this game or that game!" and I don't want to write it in the form of a wikipedia entry and cite sources every five words, I just want to drop a giant block of narrative so people can read it with no interruptions from one paragraph to the next.

Y'know, if I did post something like that, people would just have to accept "This is one man's ATTEMPT to make it all linear and make sense, some of it is conjecture and educated hypothesis, don't argue, just go with it" and you'll NEVER get people on MKO to not argue. I hate having to argue back. I get sick of it and that's what stops me from doing that sort of giant project.


That's actually how I am doing things in my Russian MK Wikia.
MKM-MKA is regarded as original canon and MK9 as new canon. It's possible that I'll add something from MK9 to the description of the characters in the original canon (like names and born places), though it's not finalized at the moment.

As for reaction for this, I personally don't care much. I write what I regard as canon with support from games and some other sources. And that's it. If anyone disagrees, let them create their own Wikia.

Curently I finished almost all articles about characters. I must finsh only articles about characters from MK1 and MK2. I need to update and reformat articles about some games (MKSF, MKM, MK1, MK2).
Here link if anyone is interested (and could read russian letter):
http://ru.mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimate_Mortal_Kombat_3
Some of the articles are translations of the articles from the English MK Wikia and Wikipedia. Except for the story bits. Those ones I write myself.

Note: I see RMKW as strictly MK Encyclopedia, without all this flashy stuff and bright colours. Strict and simple - as an encyclopedia should be.
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