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Garlador
03/15/2011 08:24 PM (UTC)
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Here's a better Shang Tsung question:

Why is he old in MK1?

If he just needs to take a soul to rejuvenate himself, you'd think he could just find some poor bystander, snap his neck, and feel 20 years younger in no time flat. But in MK1, he's ancient looking, and he needs Kahn, not souls, to make him younger again by MK2's era.
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RedSumac
03/15/2011 08:26 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Probably just an unfounded rumor, as pretty much all "I heard the developers planned _____" stories that predate MK4 are. Generally, if it's not from some Krypt concept art or a magazine interview or a strategy guide, someone just plain made it up. And not the "Ermac, Skarlett, Animalities" sort of made-up, more like the "I've never heard that before" sort.

I've never said that what I stated was truth. Only that I've heard it from competent source, whom I personally trust, when it goes for the rare MK-related information. I personally believe him. As for others - I don't care.

Accroding to MK1 Shang's orgin is on Earth and he is human. How he discovered an Outworld and become Shao Kahn's archsorcerer is anyone's guess. Another thing that was never clarified was why he was cursed by the Elder Gods. Most likely it has something to do with his ability to steal souls. However how he gained this ability is once again is unknown.
One thing for sure - he is not a demon. It was concept art / idea for the MK2 that never came to frution. I personally prefer his DOTR origin. There it was stated that Tsung was pupil of the powerful master and studied in secret some dark arts, including ability to steal sould. Then he killed his master and stole his soul. But for that he was cursed bu the Elder Gods. It was only stated in the movie that he was tought by this ability by the Shao Kahn.

Sub-Zero's mother and sister as of now are not relevant for the story. Frost is not his sister. And I don't think developers will introduce them.

Sonya's brother and Goro wives are no relevant for the story and just there to give more background for the characters.
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RazorsEdge701
03/15/2011 08:32 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Here's a better Shang Tsung question:

Why is he old in MK1?

If he just needs to take a soul to rejuvenate himself, you'd think he could just find some poor bystander, snap his neck, and feel 20 years younger in no time flat. But in MK1, he's ancient looking, and he needs Kahn, not souls, to make him younger again by MK2's era.


No no no, stealing souls never gave him youth.

It just halts his aging for a while at a time.
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Big_Speck
03/15/2011 09:14 PM (UTC)
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How the fuck do the Lin Kuei and Shirai Ryu exist in secrecy, even though MK takes place in modern day times?
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RazorsEdge701
03/15/2011 09:17 PM (UTC)
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Big_Speck Wrote:
How the fuck do the Lin Kuei and Shirai Ryu exist in secrecy, even though MK takes place in modern day times?


By killing nosy people.
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Big_Speck
03/15/2011 09:25 PM (UTC)
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Shit, good answer.
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03/15/2011 09:25 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Sub-Zero's mother and sister - It stands to reason that at the very least, Sub-Zero's unseen sister has the same cryomancer blood in her veins, something that's sure to cause attention. Many speculated that Frost might have been Sub's sister, but I seem to recall the devs confirmed she's not. So, if Sub's sis is still alive and well, and no doubt wondering why her first kiss put a guy in the hospital with frost-bite, what's happened with her? Sub-Zero obviously knows she exists, but does he follow up on her, even from a distance? Of all people, Sub-Zero and Scorpion are the ones most driven and shaped by their family, and his mother and sister remain anomalies.


I would have to say that his sister didn't have any powers, or else the Lin Kuei would have taken her too. Either she never developed powers, or they were too miniscule to be of any use.

As for Kuai Liang going to find her/them, he was taken away as a child, so he probably wouldn't even know where to start. Lin Kuei probably messed up their memories a little too, to make them more loyal. I know I probably wouldn't be very loyal to the people who ripped me away from my mother and sister.
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03/15/2011 09:32 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
but practically nobody considers Shaolin Monks canon.


Except for me.

What happened to Kintaro?


After MK2, he gave up on the fighting scene and went on tour with Eddie Money and The Knack as security.

How did he magically get healed?


Maybe it's like a Piccolo thing and Stapled Baraka vomited up a clone. Tarkatans can probably do that.

so what, in particular, made her care about her former partner so much and hate Kano so intensely for killing him.


Maybe Sonya never had a partner and she's just fucking nuts.

Could somebody PLEASE straighten this pair out?


MK2011 proves that time isn't set in stone in MK's world. Maybe someone (Shang or Kahn) has been messing around with their timelines in order to find the most obedient versions of each.

Are they real arms or not?


The movies say they can be removed, and damn it, that's good enough for me.
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03/15/2011 09:34 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
johnnycage77 Wrote:
Ghaleon Wrote:
What is the deal with Kung Lao scarring everyone up? I remember in MK Gold in his ending he scars Goro's chest, he cuts Baraka from the head to his waist, and even if its not cannon he scars Subby! Hes like a Chinese Zorro.

Chinese Zoro?lol



"There is a saying, a very old saying, when the people are ready, the shaolin will appear..."

"¡Un sombrero a su CARA de mierda!"



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SubMan799
03/15/2011 09:37 PM (UTC)
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What the fuck is Ashrah?
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03/15/2011 09:44 PM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
What the fuck is Ashrah?


Raiden's daughter.
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Heavy-Rain
03/15/2011 10:08 PM (UTC)
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........no really why did they only give motaro 2 legs in the last mk game. (mk vs dc doesn't count).
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SubMan799
03/15/2011 10:09 PM (UTC)
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Razor, you gotta write a plot summary of the MK series. Or pass your wisdom onto someone else so that when you go we still got another encyclopedia with us
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03/15/2011 10:15 PM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
Razor, you gotta write a plot summary of the MK series. Or pass your wisdom onto someone else so that when you go we still got another encyclopedia with us

I second that! smile
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Cronus~TimeWave
03/15/2011 10:17 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
You keep typing Havik...but I bet you mean Onaga, don't you?

Yeah...no idea how long Kahn advised the Dragon King. All we know is that Kahn turning evil happened long before Shinnok turning evil did. Hell, Shinnok didn't turn evil until about the time Edenia was conquered.


No, I honestly do mean Havik. I know Shao Kahn's role as advisor to Onaga predates the original Mortal Kombat storyline. Though, I wouldn't mind knowing why Shao Kahn decided to usurp Onaga's throne, but that's irrelevant.

Anyway, here look at Havik's Deception Ending: "The others had defeated the Dragon King, but left his broken body unattended on the floor of his throne room. Not long ago, a similar fate had befallen his former advisor, Shao Kahn. Havik ripped the still-warm heart from the carcass and consumed it, thus absorbing Onaga's power to reanimate the dead.
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Had the Dragon King succeeded in his plans for total domination, the never-ending turmoil of life would have come to a stifling halt. Those who defeated him believed that the realms were at rest once more, but Havik vowed to restore the Chaos that once ravaged Outworld. Shao Kahn would rule again!"

See? I know this ending was made non-canonical because of the Gamecube version of Deception, but that doesn't change the fact that it states that Shao Kahn was formerly Havik's advisor. I wouldn't mind the team diving deeper into this, mostly because of I'm a huge havik fan.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Well...Nightwolf had a vision of the Dragon King's coming, that's why he did the whole sin-eater, travel to the Netherealm to trap his soul thing. But no, nobody sensed there was anything wrong with Shujinko because there was nothing to sense.


Almost no characters have the ability to see the future, and If you were to read Shujinko's mind, for instance, all you'd see is his own thoughts that he's working for the Elder Gods and they send a messenger named Damashi to talk to him. They'd have no way of knowing Damashi's a fake 'cause none of them ever met Damashi.


That makes more sense.

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Umm...in the old canon, I think so? It's never outright mentioned except for that one MK2 ending that isn't canon, but there SEEMS to be a relationship or partnership of some kind hinted between the two of them in Deception, before Mileena turns on and tries to kill him in her ending, anyway.

In the reboot universe though, it would seem not. Disappointing for me personally, I think it added a layer of depth to Baraka who otherwise has NOTHING going for him. 'Course, in the new canon, Mileena was, like, born yesterday. So maybe give it time and in the sequel the two will hook up?


I wouldn't mind seeing them two hook-up, and possibly try to takeover Outworld or Edenia. They have the potential to be a deadly duo.

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I would LIKE to think Kabal was good. It's canon that for the almost ten years between MK3 and Deception, Kabal was working as a vigilante, keeping the streets clean. But I don't think Havik gave him a "simple push" so much as preached him towards a complete religious awakening to the point where Kabal became a true believer in Chaos.

One has to note that Kabal DOES have a good reason to lose his goddamn mind, though, the poor guy.


Very true. Kabal went through hell and back, and I guess, as I think back, he was trying to be a better man, but Mavado, the prick, decides to slice and dice the then, former Black Dragon member.

Alright, I have a few more questions:

- Is it ever stated how Kitana found out about her origins?

- Wasn't Scorpion elected the true Champion of the Elder Gods? Since he wasn't the one to defeat Onaga, what happened afterwards? Was he punished? Was this storyline even continued?

- What happened to Jade during the events of MK4/MKG?

- Is there a Kamidogu for every realm? If so, what happens to them when their respectively realm gets destroyed, or merges with another realm?

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03/15/2011 10:20 PM (UTC)
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I'm pretty sure they meant Onaga suffered the same fate as HIS former advisor, who was Shao Kahn. I could understand how someone might feasibly get confused about the wording.
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03/15/2011 10:27 PM (UTC)
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Spider804 Wrote:
I'm pretty sure they meant Onaga suffered the same fate as HIS former advisor, who was Shao Kahn. I could understand how someone might feasibly get confused about the wording.


Aw, that makes a lot more sense. I'm such a dimwit.
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03/15/2011 10:42 PM (UTC)
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Cronus~TimeWave Wrote:
Spider804 Wrote:
I'm pretty sure they meant Onaga suffered the same fate as HIS former advisor, who was Shao Kahn. I could understand how someone might feasibly get confused about the wording.


Aw, that makes a lot more sense. I'm such a dimwit.

No worries, nobody's perfect. smile
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EmperorKahn
03/15/2011 10:51 PM (UTC)
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OptimusGrime Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
What the fuck is Ashrah?


Raiden's daughter.
no, she was a demon who wanted to escape the netherrealm. she found a kriss that would help her get out of the netherrealm by slayng other demons. each kill would make her remove a taint on her soul until she ascended out of there by becoming pure. no one can live in the netherealm if they have no evil.
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StatueofLiberty
03/15/2011 11:19 PM (UTC)
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For an MKO unsolved mystery: What ever happened to the MK Bible and the author of it?
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03/15/2011 11:28 PM (UTC)
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StatueofLiberty Wrote:
For an MKO unsolved mystery: What ever happened to the MK Bible and the author of it?

Jinkies! We have a mystery! tongue
Uh, someone Fatalitied them and made off with the bible? grin
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03/15/2011 11:36 PM (UTC)
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Cronus~TimeWave Wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing them two hook-up, and possibly try to takeover Outworld or Edenia. They have the potential to be a deadly duo.

I don't see them doing that.

Well,I can certainly see them trying,but failing miserably. To rule a realm,you really have to be ruler material,like Onaga or Shao Kahn.

Cronus~TimeWave Wrote:

- Wasn't Scorpion elected the true Champion of the Elder Gods? Since he wasn't the one to defeat Onaga, what happened afterwards? Was he punished? Was this storyline even continued?

I'm glad you asked,because this was one of the few things I kinda liked about Armageddon's storyline.

Basically,like you said,Scorpion wasn't ultimately the one to kill Onaga. He was there,sure,and he kinda helped by lending his power to Shujinko,but if we had to assign "Defeat Onaga" achievements,they'd go to Shujinko and Nightwolf.

The way the Elder Gods see it,Scorpion half-assed his job. So what do they do?

They half-ass his reward.

They do bring the Shirai Ryu back to life. Sorta. In Scorpion's own words,"they are no longer dead... They are the undead!" All of the zombie ninjas you fight at the very end of Armageddon's Konquest,in Edenia? Those are the Shirai Ryu.

tl;dr The Elder Gods are assholes.

Cronus~TimeWave Wrote:

- What happened to Jade during the events of MK4/MKG?

I reckon the same place Sindel was - in captivity.

Cronus~TimeWave Wrote:
Is there a Kamidogu for every realm? If so, what happens to them when their respectively realm gets destroyed, or merges with another realm?

From what I understand,there is a ton of realms in the MK universe. Yet,there are only six (seven,if you count Shinnok's amulet) Kamidogu. So not every realm has one.

As for the other part of the question,nothing happens. The last realm Shujinko visits in Deception's Konquest is Edenia. At this point,Shujinko is an old man,which enables us to make a reasonable deduction that Edenia has already separated from Outworld at this point. I'm pretty sure some of the NPCs mention something to that extent,too.

In any case,seeing how Edenia still houses one of the Kamidogu,we can also deduce that Kahn probably never found it,even after merging Edenia with Outworld. And seeing how it's intact when you find it,it's safe to say the merger didn't affect it in any way.

There's no reason it should,anyway - the Kamidogu are just magical trinkets. I can't say that for certain,but with the exception of Shinnok's amulet,they don't even seem to have any power until they're brought together.

I used to think they were the anchors that held the very reality in place,an removing them would have disastrous consequences,but Shujinko was able to just grab them,stuff them in his pocket and walk away,so I guess they aren't.
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03/15/2011 11:58 PM (UTC)
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Bear with me with this, I am not going to take it much deeper with this but... Mileena and Kitana... One thing that bothers me more than anything is what they wear.

Mileena's ending in Deception bothered me the most with the fact that she is basically "Kitana" towards all the good guys. But here's the thing, if we don't include what they wear outside of this game (which we can't even say that because we've never really seen anything but what they wear in game) these two mostly wear the same color every time.

Kitana is blue, Mileena is purple/pink.

If they consistently wear the same color, how in the world do these people not get that the person in control is Mileena in her ending in Deception? Yeah, these two somewhat wear similar costumes... not all the time but somewhat similar, if they wear the same colors that they've always wore, how do people not get these two apart in game?

This always confused me because if everyone is around these two people when they're wearing the same color every time, there has to be some way of knowing that they're different due to the color.

It irritates me a lot at times.
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03/16/2011 12:17 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Bear with me with this, I am not going to take it much deeper with this but... Mileena and Kitana... One thing that bothers me more than anything is what they wear.

Mileena's ending in Deception bothered me the most with the fact that she is basically "Kitana" towards all the good guys. But here's the thing, if we don't include what they wear outside of this game (which we can't even say that because we've never really seen anything but what they wear in game) these two mostly wear the same color every time.

Kitana is blue, Mileena is purple/pink.

If they consistently wear the same color, how in the world do these people not get that the person in control is Mileena in her ending in Deception? Yeah, these two somewhat wear similar costumes... not all the time but somewhat similar, if they wear the same colors that they've always wore, how do people not get these two apart in game?

This always confused me because if everyone is around these two people when they're wearing the same color every time, there has to be some way of knowing that they're different due to the color.

It irritates me a lot at times.


Probably the same reason in Yu-Gi-Oh when Yugi uses his pendant, he grows two feet in hight, his voice drops two registers, all in the matter of seconds, and no one seems to notice. Or when Superman puts on a pair of glasses, all of a sudden no one seems to notice his face is exactly the same, just with glasses.

Yes, these things bug me too. My theory is the color-coding thing is only meant to help us, the players, in identifying the characters and they don't really have just a monochromatic wardrobe. Although, it would be nice to see that addressed, like you said.
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03/16/2011 01:01 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Bear with me with this, I am not going to take it much deeper with this but... Mileena and Kitana... One thing that bothers me more than anything is what they wear.

Mileena's ending in Deception bothered me the most with the fact that she is basically "Kitana" towards all the good guys. But here's the thing, if we don't include what they wear outside of this game (which we can't even say that because we've never really seen anything but what they wear in game) these two mostly wear the same color every time.

Kitana is blue, Mileena is purple/pink.

If they consistently wear the same color, how in the world do these people not get that the person in control is Mileena in her ending in Deception? Yeah, these two somewhat wear similar costumes... not all the time but somewhat similar, if they wear the same colors that they've always wore, how do people not get these two apart in game?

This always confused me because if everyone is around these two people when they're wearing the same color every time, there has to be some way of knowing that they're different due to the color.

It irritates me a lot at times.



I'm going to try my hand at this, in Mileena's Deception ending it says, "Because it was widely believed that princess Kitana had slain her many years ago, none were suspicious of the veil Mileena wore to conceal her tarkatan features.." If everyone thought Mileena was dead, nobody would question Kitana wearing pink or anything else for that matter because after all, Mileena is gone(not really) so nobody questions her on anything. Also, as far as we know, she sounds just like Kitana and in this time line, the only difference between Kitana and Mileena physically is Mileena's tarkatan mouth. I hope my explanation was helpful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tqcWD-B-OI
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