Mortal Kombat Online Play to Require WB Pass
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03/29/2011 11:00 PM EDT
Balkan Wrote:
well it really does matter, imo. most of the games i buy are used. in the real world, i.e. not living in mommy and daddy land, $60 games are a big problem in monthly budgets

In the real world, ie; not living in mommy and daddy land, you go without if you can't afford it. Developers aren't obligated to accept massive losses because you're too impatient to wait until you can afford a legit copy.

I can understand the frustration, but let's not get condescending about buying second hand. It's a lecherous market by definition.

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03/29/2011 11:01 PM EDT
Excellent.
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03/29/2011 11:01 PM EDT
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This will never happen. I'm also wondering how this differs much from Capcom locking Jill and Shuma on disc. I'm not crusading, but I'm genuinely curious.

It should be abundantly clear that if you buy the game, you'll have an online pass. So, in the case of Mortal Kombat's online play, you have full access to the material with the purchase of the game. Capcom's DLC characters were not immediately accessible.


I meant in the sense of locking content that is on disc that someone purchased. The big thing I remember about the Capcom DLC fiasco was that people were complaining that finished content on disc shouldn't be locked, but in this case substitute "characters" with "online mode". But whatever, I wasn't worked up about the Jill/Shuma DLC thing and I'm not about this.
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03/29/2011 11:05 PM EDT
If my understanding is correct, WB gets nothing off of second-hand sales. So, they want to get paid for their work. I don't see a problem here. If it discourages people from buying used, fine. There's at least the option to buy the code, or failing that (and this one helps for rentals): the two-day trial.
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03/29/2011 11:06 PM EDT
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I'm not surprised but it's still disgusting. Sometimes I think DLC is one of the worst things to ever happen in gaming., when companies don't abuse it it's fine but too many of them pull shitty stunts like this and it just makes me wish DLC was never created.

I'll be buying ithe game new anyway but I do hope this despicable new business practice causes them to lose some profits. It's complete and utter greed.


Lose profits from who, the people who weren't going to make them any profit in the first place? Yea I don't see that happening.
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03/29/2011 11:07 PM EDT
I'm not much of an online gamer myself, plus I'm getting this new, so it doesn't affect me. But I can see this as being unfair to others. I advocate fighting piracy, but shoot, I as well as many of my friends buy games pre-used. We're not exactly rolling in dough, so we wait until we can afford games to buy them. I know the gaming industry has this huge hard-on for anti-secondhand market, but what happens when the game is no longer being printed, and thus, no longer available new in stores?

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Ummm there are plenty of threads discussing the Smoke topic........this thread had nothing to do with Smoke, so stay with the topic at hand.


Not to mention it's old as shit.
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03/29/2011 11:09 PM EDT
I'd rather have an online charge for used games than some of the store exclusive content that flys around. Not being able to play as Jazz because I didn't preorder at Best Buy was a bummer. And really, at least half the used stuff I've bought at Gamestop has been rubbish.
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03/29/2011 11:11 PM EDT
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Balkan Wrote:
well it really does matter, imo. most of the games i buy are used. in the real world, i.e. not living in mommy and daddy land, $60 games are a big problem in monthly budgets

In the real world, ie; not living in mommy and daddy land, you go without if you can't afford it. Developers aren't obligated to accept massive losses because you're too impatient to wait until you can afford a legit copy.

I can understand the frustration, but let's not get condescending about buying second hand. It's a lecherous market by definition.


excuse me? in the real world there is a thing called budgeting. i have budgeted well in advance to afford mk9 new, if i am still able, i.e. nothing new pops up like a problem with the car, etc. but if something does suddenly arise, and i cannot afford mk9 new, then i will have to go without, like i have done many times in the past, and like many other people in life. do not fucking lecture me about doing without as i have done so many times. do not condescend anyone by defending the greed of companies if people choose to buy used goods. that is like saying we need to start paying more to activate things we buy at garage sales... or are garage sales a lecherous market, too? if developers are taking such huge losses, as they claim, tighten belts like everyone else and make game development more efficient so they make more profit. games already cost a huge amount of $ new. and you say you can understand the frustration? not a single word in your post conveys an ounce of understanding beyond defending corp. greed, nor does is imply you have any grasp on how the real world works outside mommy and daddy land.
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03/29/2011 11:16 PM EDT
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If ya buy the game new than it doesn't really matter...


Not everyone has the money to buy new though. I rarely have the extra money to just drop $60 on a new game so I tend to buy a lot of my games used for half that price. Dicking over someone like me who buys used because it's a more affordable way to play a game I want to play, even if it's a bit late, just because you're so worried about people re-selling copies of games you've already made money on and want to dick over Gamestop does nothing but dick over people like me too.

It's complete bullshit.
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03/29/2011 11:17 PM EDT
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
If ya buy the game new than it doesn't really matter...


Not everyone has the money to buy new though. I rarely have the extra money to just drop $60 on a new game so I tend to buy a lot of my games used for half that price. Dicking over someone like me who buys used because it's a more affordable way to play a game I want to play, even if it's a bit late, just because you're so worried about people re-selling copies of games you've already made money on and want to dick over Gamestop does nothing but dick over people like me too.

It's complete bullshit.


bingo. glad someone else gets it.
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03/29/2011 11:21 PM EDT
It's seriously only ten dollars more, though. If you can't swing that then you shouldn't be buying video games in the first place.
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03/29/2011 11:21 PM EDT
Balkan Wrote:
Pretentious Wrote:
Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
If ya buy the game new than it doesn't really matter...


Not everyone has the money to buy new though. I rarely have the extra money to just drop $60 on a new game so I tend to buy a lot of my games used for half that price. Dicking over someone like me who buys used because it's a more affordable way to play a game I want to play, even if it's a bit late, just because you're so worried about people re-selling copies of games you've already made money on and want to dick over Gamestop does nothing but dick over people like me too.

It's complete bullshit.


bingo. glad someone else gets it.



Not really because lets say the game is $60 and you buy it used at half price like you said. You bought the game for $30. Paying $9.99 means for the online pass means that you are still only paying $40. It is still less than the retail price for a new copy. Stop complaining lol

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03/29/2011 11:22 PM EDT
It seems to me that they're passing the buck. The real people they should be cracking down on when it comes to the secondary market is, well, the secondary market. Places like Gamestop, who buy and sell used games, should be the target of WBGames' aggression, not the consumer. But then, I guess, you can't tell the people who promote and sell your game, 'LOLNope!'

Also, this seems to doubly suck for the people who already have to pay to play online with the 360.

Don't you all wish you could successfully petition online? Or am I just a defeatist at heart?
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03/29/2011 11:23 PM EDT
Yea this is kinda low. And did I see someone say used copies of a game aren't "legit"? How!? The company got their money from that copy, whether it was from you or the original purchaser, their returns vs. output are still the same. How about used cars? Used blu-rays? used houses? should we have to give a kick back to the original manufacturer? Just a way to milk even more money out of their customers if you ask me. Besides, as others have said...60$ is a lot to drop on a piece of home entertainment. I rarely buy new for that reason. Frankly, I don't sit around and play games that much (i know I'm on here a lot but i multi-task well lol) So why would I spend 60 dollars on an unproven title that I might not even play? I only buy games I'm fairly sure I'll like new. MK is one of those, but it would be hard to make me NOT love this game.
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03/29/2011 11:35 PM EDT
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I'm not surprised but it's still disgusting. Sometimes I think DLC is one of the worst things to ever happen in gaming., when companies don't abuse it it's fine but too many of them pull shitty stunts like this and it just makes me wish DLC was never created.

I'll be buying ithe game new anyway but I do hope this despicable new business practice causes them to lose some profits. It's complete and utter greed.


Lose profits from who, the people who weren't going to make them any profit in the first place? Yea I don't see that happening.


Tricks like this put people off, creates bad will. A better alternative would have been something akin to Mass Effect 2 which allowed you to gain access to DLC missions and equipment which you would have to pay for if you brought it used. It's a positive incentive rather then this abomination that actively locks gameplay features away. People would rather be wined and dined before they get fucked rather then be thrown over a barrel.
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03/29/2011 11:36 PM EDT
I understand why they are doing this but at the sametime I don't like it.
Most games today are only 6 to 7 hours to complete and they want $60 of my money for that? Sorry no thanks. I'll stay offline.
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03/29/2011 11:38 PM EDT
If you buy the buy the mother****ing game used, they don't make a penny.....so do you honestly think they care about you?! Why would you think they give a damn about you?! If I was in the business, I probably would do the same thing.
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03/29/2011 11:39 PM EDT
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!!! >:(

This online token crap is fucking bullshit and this is coming from someone is going to buy this game new. But lets say I wasnt? I am a gamefly user. This would make online play useless for me
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03/29/2011 11:40 PM EDT
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Just to reiterate.

When you buy the game NEW - you will get a code. You enter that in at the relevant portal (Xbox Dashboard - Redeem Code) and voila - Online Mortal Kombat Play!

If you buy the game SECOND HAND - You will have to buy a Online Pass.

I dont see the huge problem with it.


So, if you bring your copy of Mortal Kombat over to a friend's house, can you not play online?


If you dont bring your gaming console then yes you wont be able to play unless you pay
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03/29/2011 11:42 PM EDT
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Yea this is kinda low. And did I see someone say used copies of a game aren't "legit"? How!? The company got their money from that copy, whether it was from you or the original purchaser...

The math is pretty simple.
Developer Income / Copies Sold = X < RRP

The amount of money they receive is not the same, because there is an assumption that they will recoup revenue for every single time a game is sold. They receive no money from second-hand purchases, which is good news for retailers who turn a steady profit for no cost, but not so good for developers whose game sells a percentage of fewer copies because everyone in the village is riding the one bike.

Developers are not obligated to incur a loss because players choose not to wait. So, yes, it might suck that it makes life difficult, but really... they're trying to control their profit margin. You can't sustain a crop if one person pays for corn and everyone else just eats their crap. It sucks because it means you have to pay a little extra, or just plum wait, but it's not really unfair.

The real problem is that this measure means there's a potential effect on the longterm value of the product. If, for some reason, you lose your code, you'll need to buy a new one, which is only viable as long as the system is active. Which means there are several ways to cost yourself more money, or just plain be stuck with a game you can't enjoy to the fullest.

A lot of trends right now have very little eye for the longterm usability of a game. Of course, if gamers were thinking more longterm, they wouldn't have to deal with all of this kind of crap, market balancing passcodes, probably included.

Balkan Wrote:
Pretentious Wrote:
Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
If ya buy the game new than it doesn't really matter...


Not everyone has the money to buy new though. I rarely have the extra money to just drop $60 on a new game so I tend to buy a lot of my games used for half that price. Dicking over someone like me who buys used because it's a more affordable way to play a game I want to play, even if it's a bit late, just because you're so worried about people re-selling copies of games you've already made money on and want to dick over Gamestop does nothing but dick over people like me too.

It's complete bullshit.


bingo. glad someone else gets it.
Developers aren't obligated to incur losses because you're too much of a whiney little baby to wait. Someone who regularly buys used copies of new games is not a victim. The economy of the situation is that you have to wait. Just like if you can't afford a lavish buffet, you have to eat what you can afford. It's not really reasonable to have such a strong sense of entitlement just because you're impatient and there are a lot of options.

Yeah, it sucks, and we can all have a moan about the honeymoon being over, but if you want to talk about greed... don't overlook the gluttonous population that provoked this response. People have their reasons, but at the end of the day, there's no virtue in expecting everything for nothing.

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03/29/2011 11:42 PM EDT
Balkan Wrote:
Pretentious Wrote:
Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
If ya buy the game new than it doesn't really matter...


Not everyone has the money to buy new though. I rarely have the extra money to just drop $60 on a new game so I tend to buy a lot of my games used for half that price. Dicking over someone like me who buys used because it's a more affordable way to play a game I want to play, even if it's a bit late, just because you're so worried about people re-selling copies of games you've already made money on and want to dick over Gamestop does nothing but dick over people like me too.

It's complete bullshit.


bingo. glad someone else gets it.


pretty much this....

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It's seriously only ten dollars more, though. If you can't swing that then you shouldn't be buying video games in the first place.
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RE: Mortal Kombat Online Play to Require WB Pass
03/29/2011 11:43 PM EDT
Are you shitfuckers serious?

I was actually going to buy the PS3 version a couple of years down the road,once it drops in price.

I've fallen out of the emulation scene,so I don't know if the PS3 has been cracked,but if it has,I'd pirate this game purely out of principle.

Corporate assholes is what they are.

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03/29/2011 11:48 PM EDT
It wont matter to me but i wanna know is where will you obtain this pass? will gamestop give it to you with the game? Will it be on the marketplace? Can you use the same code if you trade games with someone?.......I see alot of people gonna be selling passes on ebay for the low. or maybe gamestop will reduce the used game price and tack on the 10 bucks so it can even out the same amount anyway...(i doubt it tho lol)
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03/29/2011 11:49 PM EDT
I swear the argument that "if you buy it used they don't get anything" is getting old yet it seems the only one people use to defend this. How does a game become used? someone buys it new. When that happens...the company gets their money for that copy. Now, if that person decides to sell it they no longer have it. That copy has not multiplied and the company still has their cut from that copy. (piracy is a different matter)

Another question this raises is...what about rentals? A lot of people rent games to try them out. What if someone rents, for example, MK and is on the fence about buying it...well, if i were them I'd want to see how the multiplayer works since that's a big part of it...oh wait...NOPE can't do that.

and as someone else said, the story mode of games is getting shorter and shorter in favor of multiplayer...so the actual work going into these things is getting less and less. yet they demand more money to play the only worthwhile part of most new games.

Maybe if the economy wasn't a total goat fuck this would fly better, but as it is some of us have bills to pay and even an extra 10 bucks ain't gonna happen.
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03/29/2011 11:49 PM EDT
If yall hate it that much, protest by not buying the game. On the other hand, WB has to justify $30-$40 mil investment (probably. if not that much then not much less). I personally save for all my games and i absolutely do not buy used games out of protest to the EB/Gamestop business model. Pick your protest and stand by it whatever it may be, but bitching about is pointless.
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