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Noobsmoke92
10/23/2011 03:07 AM (UTC)
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Riyakou Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:
I'd rather have 10 characters die and stay dead than 4 characters die and come back every game. We finally have some good continuity!


"Stay dead"? "Good continuity"?! I--buh...did you...why would...Are you HIGH?!

They came back as zombies before the game was even over! They'll be the main villain's army in the next one!


Quan Chi's not going to just throw out souls into combat like that.

The only reason he did so with Raiden was to emphasize the fact that the souls belong to him. Those characters will not return as zombies. Besides, why would anyone want them to? They should all stay deceased.


Yeah,right,like,we won't see Sub-Zero in the next game.Or Kitana,Jax,Kung Lao,Liu Kang and Noob Saibot are gonna stay dead for long. Hell,even Stryker after this game will be demanded.
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RazorsEdge701
10/23/2011 06:55 AM (UTC)
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Riyakou Wrote:
Those characters will not return as zombies


Are you fooling yourself on purpose because this is what you WANT to happen, or do you honestly believe that?
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10/23/2011 02:23 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:
Those characters will not return as zombies


Are you fooling yourself on purpose because this is what you WANT to happen, or do you honestly believe that?


You honestly believe NRS is going to have eight playable zombies in the next game?

This isn't even the first time a wad of characters was wiped out in a single game. In fact, many of these characters weren't in Deception because they were defeated by the Deadly Alliance. Either way, it doesn't make any sense to have a bunch of zombies as playable characters. If anything, Raiden's going to spend the next game fighting for their souls.

But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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RazorsEdge701
10/23/2011 04:47 PM (UTC)
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They might not look like zombies, they might just have that blank eyes look like Scorpion, or they might be changed in some way like Bi-Han was when he became Noob, or the designers might just get lazy and give them no visual "raised from the dead" characteristics at all...but they'll be definitely return and be playable in the very next game. The ENTIRE REASON Quan Chi got their souls, MK9 TELLS us this, is so he can use them as an army when he and Shinnok attack, which MK9 also outright tells us is what's coming next.
So the point is that their deaths won't even last a whole game, they're not even going to take a BREAK much less be fucking permanently dead.
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10/24/2011 03:31 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
They might not look like zombies, they might just have that blank eyes look like Scorpion, or they might be changed in some way like Bi-Han was when he became Noob, or the designers might just get lazy and give them no visual "raised from the dead" characteristics at all.


Back before my MK8 roster happened, and it was an MK10 roster, I had them wearing the costumes they died in with paler skin, slightly faded colors, and at least one Brotherhood of Shadow logo on them. [Kang's was on his belt in place of the MK dragon, etc..]..

So, I figure they should/would go with something like that...

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10/24/2011 03:54 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
They might not look like zombies, they might just have that blank eyes look like Scorpion, or they might be changed in some way like Bi-Han was when he became Noob, or the designers might just get lazy and give them no visual "raised from the dead" characteristics at all...but they'll be definitely return and be playable in the very next game. The ENTIRE REASON Quan Chi got their souls, MK9 TELLS us this, is so he can use them as an army when he and Shinnok attack, which MK9 also outright tells us is what's coming next.

So the point is that their deaths won't even last a whole game, they're not even going to take a BREAK much less be fucking permanently dead.


Hold the swearing, it's not that big a deal.

Anyhoo, I just don't see it happening, and I hope it doesn't. Hopefully, this will give way for new characters.
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Scar_Subby
10/24/2011 04:42 AM (UTC)
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Because we've seen how the MK team does with introducing half of a cast as new characters. Or any fighting game for that matter.lol.

Fact is fighting games are known for their characters, and honestly MK1-3 brought the most memorable ones. They should take a few of the ones from MK4-MKA and try to revamp them but at the cost of getting rid of those 10 plus more for a game would be ridiculous.

I still think they are going to try and replace Sub-Zero with Frost in the next game, in which case I say good luck but I ain't playing it.

I say find a way to bring Sub-Zero, Smoke, Noob Saibot, and probaly Kung Lao ,with his popularity in this game, back and let the others take a seat until MK11. Taking those guys out in exchange for new characters though would be a no thankyou. They can keep Havik, Tanya, or any other character past MK3 for that matter. I don't want a remake of MK9 but I also don't want Sub-Zero left out. There are certain characters that should make it in the game no matter what and I think 4 have earned that Raiden, Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Sonya. I think if they ain't in the game it ain't Mortal Kombat and that's one of NRS's biggest problems. They have faces, but they don't realize it. Some characters need to be in every game and then build around them.

Introducing characters from MK4 and onward to replace them is just going to piss people off especially since those characters were never as well received as the ones from MK1-3 so anyone from MK1-3 shouldn't have to take a backseat.

Characters like
Baraka
Sindel
Reptile
Jax
Stryker
Nightwolf

those are the ones you give a break.
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10/24/2011 04:54 AM (UTC)
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Scar_Subby Wrote:
There are certain characters that should make it in the game no matter what and I think 4 have earned that Raiden, Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Sonya.


Replace Sonya with Liu Kang and I might agree.

I disagree with the practice of putting the same characters in every game, though. Doesn't matter which fighter it is...
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RazorsEdge701
10/24/2011 07:23 AM (UTC)
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daryui Wrote:
Scar_Subby Wrote:
There are certain characters that should make it in the game no matter what and I think 4 have earned that Raiden, Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Sonya.


Replace Sonya with Liu Kang and I might agree.

I disagree with the practice of putting the same characters in every game, though. Doesn't matter which fighter it is...


We've already seen that retiring Liu Kang COULD be successful, the decision to kill him off in Deadly Alliance was very popular and the decision to bring him back so soon in the very next game was not.

I also believe that in either the old timeline or this new one, Raiden could successfully be turned into a main villain and then retired or given a break after his defeat, the same way as any main boss outlives their usefulness after the game where their big take-over-the-world plan is stopped.
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jack4813
10/24/2011 07:32 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
daryui Wrote:
Scar_Subby Wrote:
There are certain characters that should make it in the game no matter what and I think 4 have earned that Raiden, Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Sonya.


Replace Sonya with Liu Kang and I might agree.

I disagree with the practice of putting the same characters in every game, though. Doesn't matter which fighter it is...


We've already seen that retiring Liu Kang COULD be successful, the decision to kill him off in Deadly Alliance was very popular and the decision to bring him back so soon in the very next game was not.

I also believe that in either the old timeline or this new one, Raiden could successfully be turned into a main villain and then retired or given a break after his defeat, the same way as any main boss outlives their usefulness after the game where their big take-over-the-world plan is stopped.


Unless your Shao Kahn, in which case you can be stopped at least 3 times before someone new comes along.
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RazorsEdge701
10/24/2011 08:04 AM (UTC)
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Unless your Shao Kahn, in which case you can be stopped at least 3 times before someone new comes along.


Well...two appearances is justifiable since the first was just a tournament and the second was the REAL take-over-the-world scheme. And his constant trash talk did make him more likeable than the average one-and-done cosmic threat.

Still, I've always thought he should've died and stayed that way at the end of MK3 instead of Deadly Alliance revealing he was still around just to off him in the opening scene, and then Deception being all "oh wait, no, that didn't really kill him either!"
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10/24/2011 11:05 PM (UTC)
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Well, you can't kill all the Americans, can you? tongue

Seriously, though--Cage COULDN'T die, because Raiden saving him from Motaro is what got all the others killed (which is funny, because his MK3 death was retconned in MK:DA but put back in continuity for MK9.... Ugh, my head is spinning) and they needed to show that and ask the question: was it worth it? Probably not for the health of the realm, but I'm sure as hell happy about it.

Sonya is a woman, and you HAVE to have at least ONE survive, so that helped her odds.

Those are the reasons they HAD to stay alive... but there are reasons besides the obvious ones...

Cage was simply awesome in this game, and I doubt they'd want to kill him after realizing this.

Sonya is the first female of MK, and a soldier to boot.

Etc, etc ad nauseum...

...tired of posting, but you get the drift. Read Queve's posts if you want my opinions--we're pretty much on the same page, there.
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RazorsEdge701
10/25/2011 07:57 AM (UTC)
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which is funny, because his MK3 death was retconned in MK:DA but put back in continuity for MK9


Actually, that's open to interpretation. People SAY it was retconned out because Vogel said he never liked that death...but the way the bio is worded ACTUALLY suggests Johnny is simply in denial about the fact that he ever died, or doesn't want to acknowledge it because he's embarrassed by it, and that's why he doesn't want to make a movie parodying the situation.
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queve
10/25/2011 05:17 PM (UTC)
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Honestly, I'm annoyed at some of the deaths more than the way it happened.

Sindel can totally own their butts, that's fine with me. However, I do agree that killing some of them in different places and different situations by different worthy adversaries would have made this whole story much more exciting, emotional, and passionate. The way it all went down in a blink of an eye really cheapened things. I have to agree.

But, like I said before, not everyone should have died. That's my biggest problem. I really can understand the need or significance of having Jax, Kitana, Jade, and Nightwolf die (and its not because I don't like them, cause I do), but, others like Stryker and Smoke should have been spared from that fate, specially after all the trouble they went through to be what they now are thanks to this game. Does this make sense?

ProudNintendofan Wrote:
Yes, they get to grow while everyone has to sit around and wait to be resurrected by an idiot Thunder God.

Honestly, Leo brings up good points, but after this story. I highly doubt NRS is that good at storytelling anymore. If they knew good storytelling, they would've known Cyber Sub-Zero and the Sindel were atrocious ideas.


But, its not like they don't deserve the shot to grow while others take a back seat for a change. It's not like they don't make sense or like others deserve it more than they do, imo.

That being said, I do agree that the mass massacre of most of them was unnecessary. I can understand some of the killings, but, others like Stryker (the most obvious example, imo) were just stupid. You don't change and build up a character like this just to off him now that he finally rose to the A-list stardom.

What a shame.

Cyber Sub-Zero was badly executed. The scene with Sindel was a great idea that simply twisted out of control when they decided to kill more than they should have.

Kombaterator Wrote:


Personally I think it's great they were the ones who survived, though I do think one or two more would have been even better....

o€bviously they are gonna create new characters for the game, and it might be some old ones will skip a game, a bit like they did with DA and Deception...



Hopefully you are correct.

Espio872 Wrote:


I'm thinking we'll be seeing Shinnok playing some mind games with Johnny Cage and Sonya, especially Sonya, sending Jax after her and her not knowing whether to attack or not, this is going to be a very emotional sequel, I'm so intrigued to see this develop and since they aren't trying to condense 3 games worth of story into 1 with the sequel and they won't really be dealing as heavily with heavily established canon, the retcons and other issues.


I'm also hoping we get to see Sonya promoted to General and leading her troops to battle against Shinnok's demonic hordes, ish is going to be epic!


Would love to see Sonya promoted BUT soon after follow her MK9 ending. I want a rebel that for a good reason has to abandon her OIA/SF position in order to grow and help develop her further.

Just like Johnny, who will hopefully maintain his popular personality BUT deal with his new powers in a new situation, no longer associated with moves or his acting career.

MikeyRu Wrote:
The answer to this topic's question is simple. Liu Kang has come off as bland for the past decade, and I'm guessing they felt like he needed to be replaced.

Johnny is the most popular good guy veteran, and Sonya is the most popular good girl veteran. Therefor, they've become the good guy co-leaders.

Johnny, now it's revealed, has something deeper in his background than we knew before. Power that could make him the next champion.

Sonya is the strongest female (and the only one who survived the Sindel attack). She totally has what it takes to be the next champion. They could go further into the story of her father, give her some kind of meatier legacy. She's also got the military background to command an army against the baddies.

In the story modes, Johnny and Sonya haven't gotten the attention they've deserved over the years. They were always in the shadow of Liu Kang. Now as a team, they can totally take his place and be even better than he was. I really hope they keep him dead.

And as for the suggestions that Johnny/Sonya will have a romance....PFFT. Don't any of you have gaydar?


All of this.

And LOL at the gaydar comment. grin

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You honestly believe NRS is going to have eight playable zombies in the next game?

This isn't even the first time a wad of characters was wiped out in a single game. In fact, many of these characters weren't in Deception because they were defeated by the Deadly Alliance. Either way, it doesn't make any sense to have a bunch of zombies as playable characters. If anything, Raiden's going to spend the next game fighting for their souls.

But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


I hope you are right.

But, playable or not playable, most of those characters will (very likely) return, which already ruins the whole point of having killed them in the first place.

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There are certain characters that should make it in the game no matter what and I think 4 have earned that Raiden, Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Sonya. I think if they ain't in the game it ain't Mortal Kombat and that's one of NRS's biggest problems. They have faces, but they don't realize it. Some characters need to be in every game and then build around them.


This.

I couldn't agree more.

At this point, I'd go ahead and suggest Mileena and maybe Shang Tsung. Problem with Tsung is that, unlike all his other appearances, he got mistreated in favor of Quan Chi, and his importance severely lowered.

Once one of the most significant characters of the story, now, Quan Chi's toy.

-_-'

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jack4813 Wrote:
Unless your Shao Kahn, in which case you can be stopped at least 3 times before someone new comes along.


Well...two appearances is justifiable since the first was just a tournament and the second was the REAL take-over-the-world scheme. And his constant trash talk did make him more likeable than the average one-and-done cosmic threat.

Still, I've always thought he should've died and stayed that way at the end of MK3 instead of Deadly Alliance revealing he was still around just to off him in the opening scene, and then Deception being all "oh wait, no, that didn't really kill him either!"


Agreed. I've had enough of Kahn. Sure, I love him and he'll always be remembered as the best (for now) villain in MK. But, enough is enough already.

I hope he is truly dead. I can't bear the thought of him still being alive after all of this.

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Well, you can't kill all the Americans, can you? tongue

Seriously, though--Cage COULDN'T die, because Raiden saving him from Motaro is what got all the others killed (which is funny, because his MK3 death was retconned in MK:DA but put back in continuity for MK9.... Ugh, my head is spinning) and they needed to show that and ask the question: was it worth it? Probably not for the health of the realm, but I'm sure as hell happy about it.

Sonya is a woman, and you HAVE to have at least ONE survive, so that helped her odds.

Those are the reasons they HAD to stay alive... but there are reasons besides the obvious ones...

Cage was simply awesome in this game, and I doubt they'd want to kill him after realizing this.

Sonya is the first female of MK, and a soldier to boot.

Etc, etc ad nauseum...

...tired of posting, but you get the drift. Read Queve's posts if you want my opinions--we're pretty much on the same page, there.


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