The Frost Thread (half-assed revamp ideas included)
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04/11/2011 01:43 PM EST
Frost. The Sub-Zero groupie. Sub-Zero with a boob job.
Perhaps one of the least liked characters in the series. Still, she arguably stands as one of the most memorable post-MK3 characters and personally, she's the one new character that caught most of my attention when I first saw DA.
That said, if the character were reworked into something with a more fleshed out story that plays entirely different from Sub-Zero, would you like to see Frost return as DLC for MK9 or in a possible sequel? And how would you like to see her changed? Story, appearance, moves?

I leave you with some humble ideas I've been fancying for Frost's return.
Feel free to criticize and share your own.

Story
A french native, Frost is one of Lin Kuei's most feared and versatile agents, serving as a spy, assassin and sweeper but her arrogance and disregard of the clan's stealth protocols places her at odds with her superiors. Fortunately for Frost, her raw power and skill are enough to back up her attitude. The Lin Kuei tolerate her ways as it would be unwise to have her as a enemy.
Frost's most recent mission is to follow the Lin Kuei assassin Sub-Zero and clean after any possible mistake. Normally Frost despises sweeper assignments but she sees the opportunity to take out her fellow clansman and strengthen her own position within the ranks of Lin Kuei. However, unbeknownst to her, she has been set up - Sub-Zero is expecting Frost and has been given the orders to finish her.
In the context of the pre-DA years, Frost stands almost as a equal to Sub-Zero. Still, her attitude will continue to serve as a moral horizon to him.

Appearance
Wears a black bodysuit with dark blue lining and elegant high heel boots. The bodysuit's upper half doubles as a bustier. Also wears matching "bridal gauntlets" that cover her forearms. Has the same hairstyle and heavy make-up as in her DA debut plus her long fingernails are also frozen, serving as sharp claws. The Lin Kuei crest is subtly worn as the diamond piece in her collar. The air around her is unnaturally cold.

Alternate Costume
"Casual Frost". Wears a elegant (and quite revealing) black and blue fashion designer's dress with matching high heel sandals. Her hair is in it's "natural" state - platinum blonde and combed downwards, close to her face (similar to Ivy from Soul Calibur).

Movement and Mannerisms
Frost's mannerisms reflect her overconfidence and narcissism. She walks as if in the catwalk and laughs when hitting enemies. Her fatalities, on the other hand, show her particular penchant for sadism. She peppers her speech with some words and expressions in her native language.
In the MKverse, Frost fills the gaps for a European fighter and someone who stands casually during the fight.

Fighting style
Frost is a agile fighter with low defense and average attack power. Her hand attacks are stabs and slashes with her fingernails while her kicks involve elaborate motions that make full use of the extension of her legs. Aiguilles d'Hiver and Crampon de Glace must be used intelligently or Frost risks leaving herself wide open for a counter attack. Sabre de Glace is a multi-purpose technique that can serve both for offensive and defensive ends, and the first's potential will depend entirely on the player's skill.
Not excelling on any particular type, Frost's abilities allow her to be played as either a rushdown or zoning types.

Special Moves (Names cooked up in Google translator. Please don't kill me, french speakers!)
1. Aiguilles d'Hiver - extends her arm and shoots 5 small ice needles in quick succession from her palm. EX version has Frost extend her other arm and shoot 5 extra needles.
2. Crampon de Glace - backflips high into the air and immediately creates a long, sharp stalagmite on where she stood. EX version comes out faster and creates a group of sharp stalagmites.
3. Vent Froid - teleports to the other side of the screen, disappearing in a cold gust. EX version freezes the opponent in place when Frost passes through him/her and he/she isn't blocking.
4. Sabre de Glace - freezing the air around her, Frost creates a long ice blade in each one of her hands that become extensions of her arms, drastically increasing the reach of her punch attacks and making her immune to chip damage from special moves until the blades break. EX version lasts longer and makes Frost immune to all types of chip damage. Her direction+punch attacks gain different animations during this state.

X-Ray
Dashes toward the opponent with a low kick. If she connects, Frost will violently kick the opponent in the stomach and proceed to go into a Hyakuretsu Ken-esque routine of stabs with her hands, puncturing several organs.

Fatalities
1. Frost pecks the opponent to death with her hands by freezing small chunks of flesh and ripping them out. She starts by the limbs and, speeding up her jabs, proceeds to the torso. Death by torture.
2. Calculately freezes the opponent's body, leaving the head untouched and proceeds to destroy the body, leaving only the head and spine intact. A bizarre variation of Sub-Zero's classic fatality.
3. Creates a wall of ice and kicks the opponent against it. Frost then creates a second wall and kicks it towards the cornered opponent, squashing him/her between them. The gory aftermath is partly visible through the ice's semi-transparency.
4. Frost starts by doing Vent Froid, crisscrossing the opponent several times while saying "Fuit! Fuit!" (Run! Run!). Taking the chance, the opponent starts to run for his/her life. Frost gives chase with Vent Froid, passing through the opponent several times by different angles and each time she passes through she will slash him/her with her nails. Bloodied and exhausted, the opponent falls on his knees and Frost, pulling back their head, delivers the final blow by slashing the throat with her fingernails. The opponent grabs his/her slit throat in agony, before finally falling dead.

Entrance
A snow gust blows by and all of a sudden Frost appears, casually walking out of it. "Please entertain me.", she says.

Winpose
Stands with one elbow resting in her hand while gesturing with her other hand towards the opponent, taunting them - "Êtes-vous fait?" (Are you done?)

Final Round Winpose
Frost creates a small ice wall that acts as a mirror and gazes upon her reflection, before looking back at the player. There are two possible outcomes - if her face was damaged during the fight, she will give the player a angry look; if she won the fight without damaging her face, she will smile at the player.

One last note
I'm certain the Frost fans (yeah, all 4 of you) know the inspiration behind the origins I gave her. The "muse" is Canadian though.grin


And there go my walls of text for the missing kombatants I'd like to see returning...for the time being.tongue (nah, I think I'm "done")
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04/11/2011 04:45 PM EST
I really like Frost as an idea, and think that Sub Zero's story should end, and hers begin. I like a lot of your ideas about her story and personality. She should be in the next game instead of Sub Zero.

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04/11/2011 04:52 PM EST
It wouldn't be a bad idea.

Sub-Zero fan bashing about Frost should start in about 3... 2... 1...
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04/11/2011 04:54 PM EST
Your attempt to make Frost interesting is... well, interesting. I still find her rather unappealing though and would rather want her to never be presented into the MK world in the first place, but you made quite a nice attempt still. ^^

For that, I applaud you.
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04/11/2011 05:02 PM EST
I totally want Frost back. Not so much because she's a Sub-Zero clone, but just because I think her design is really cool (ooh, a pun).

I'm not a fan of her story, but still she remains my fav character of the series.

So, just like the Rain fans want to see Mr. Purple in the game, I'd like to see our Icy Vixen back. smile
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04/11/2011 05:07 PM EST
I... LIKED Frost, actually. Along with Kenshi, Quan Chi, and Sareena, she's the only post-MK3 character I liked.

Personally, I'd give her more of a Sakura approach in regards to Sub-Zero.
(inb4 Street Fighter bashing)



I liked her ground freeze, too smile
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04/11/2011 05:10 PM EST
hands down my favorite new character after DA. looks, fighting style, etc. I could F a N up with her all day long. Kenshi is going to be DLC and he's fighting her on the Pit in the demo, so hopefully she'll be DLC as well. she should be able to easily fit in the MK II storyline in the Lin Kuei so the seconds she's available i'm buyin.
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04/11/2011 05:25 PM EST
Frost is a character that I wouldn't mind returning, and you certainly have good ideas in regards to differentiating her from Sub-Zero move wise, which I think is the most critical part. Ice powers can be quite versatile, and I think Frost would be a great way to explore other sides of it. Your emphasis on weaponizing it is an example of such. In regards to her storyline, I'll have to wait on that. I'm avoiding the script leak, but I'd like to see how Sub-Zero's part of the story pans out and how it affects his personality before thinking about how to integrate Frost.
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04/11/2011 05:30 PM EST
Frost is an all right character. Liked her more before she went batshit insane though.

I like your idea of her being french. keeps with the whole larger backstory thing.

One of her moves should be where she throws an ice ball at you. Because they hurt.
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04/11/2011 05:40 PM EST
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Frost is an all right character. Liked her more before she went batshit insane though.

I like your idea of her being french. keeps with the whole larger backstory thing.

One of her moves should be where she throws an ice ball at you. Because they hurt.


Yeah, she was a lot more interesting before she turned into yet another backstabbing MK villain. I get it that she was a plot device to give Sub-Zero something to regret/brood over but come on. Best solution is keep her as a good character with an attitude problem - the asshole of the group.

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04/11/2011 05:42 PM EST
Personally, I would love for Frost to be brought back. She was my favorite new character in the PS2 games onwards. Her moves were still ice based, but a bit more creative than Subs. And my best friend hated me, because I memorized her 10-hit combo in DA, and could pull it off all the time!

That being said, she's not my ideal "ice-based female". I, personally, would have given a caucasian female with long blonde or white hair a white variation of Kitana/Mileena/Jade's costume, and given her ice powers.

Still, it's nice having a female version of the male ninja outfit. I would enjoy it if she were brought back. Though, I personally would have had them just include the create-a-character feature from Armageddon. I made badass female versions of Scorpion, Sub-Zero, and Reptile, along with some other neat ideas.

Back on topic, sorry. I want Frost back as well.
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04/11/2011 05:44 PM EST
The_Truth Wrote:
JohnBoyAdvance Wrote:
Frost is an all right character. Liked her more before she went batshit insane though.

I like your idea of her being french. keeps with the whole larger backstory thing.

One of her moves should be where she throws an ice ball at you. Because they hurt.


Yeah, she was a lot more interesting before she turned into yet another backstabbing MK villain. I get it that she was a plot device to give Sub-Zero something to regret/brood over but come on. Best solution is keep her as a good character with an attitude problem - the asshole of the group.


FROST: She's a bitch, but at least she won't betray your ass like Tanya.sad
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04/11/2011 06:20 PM EST


I still think Frost is probably a bit too young to have been in MK1. She would've been no older than 13.
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04/11/2011 06:24 PM EST
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FROST: She's a bitch, but at least she won't betray your ass like Tanya.sad


That's exactly what she did with Sub-Zero. Frost and Tanya have more in common than you might think.
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04/11/2011 06:28 PM EST
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shinJAYSAMA Wrote:
FROST: She's a bitch, but at least she won't betray your ass like Tanya.sad


That's exactly what she did with Sub-Zero. Frost and Tanya have more in common than you might think.


Umm...

"Yeah, she was a lot more interesting before she turned into yet another backstabbing MK villain. I get it that she was a plot device to give Sub-Zero something to regret/brood over but come on. Best solution is keep her as a good character with an attitude problem - the asshole of the group."
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04/11/2011 06:30 PM EST
shinJAYSAMA Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
shinJAYSAMA Wrote:
FROST: She's a bitch, but at least she won't betray your ass like Tanya.sad


That's exactly what she did with Sub-Zero. Frost and Tanya have more in common than you might think.


Umm...

"Yeah, she was a lot more interesting before she turned into yet another backstabbing MK villain. I get it that she was a plot device to give Sub-Zero something to regret/brood over but come on. Best solution is keep her as a good character with an attitude problem - the asshole of the group."


I never found her interesting though.
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04/11/2011 06:42 PM EST
The fact that she's a backstabbing whore is what makes her interesting. She was never supposed to have any redeeming qualities at all.

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04/11/2011 06:48 PM EST
Well, she is fighting Kenshi in the backround of the pit stage in the demo, so we know she at least makes a cameo...which makes her older than 13...unless it's a completely different female ice use with the same outfit and haircut.
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04/11/2011 06:51 PM EST
Or it's just a non-canon cameo.

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04/11/2011 06:54 PM EST
kdogg87 Wrote:
Well, she is fighting Kenshi in the backround of the pit stage in the demo, so we know she at least makes a cameo...which makes her older than 13...unless it's a completely different female ice use with the same outfit and haircut.


The characters fighting in the background is exactly that - a cameo.
It's not canon. ^^
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04/11/2011 06:58 PM EST
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The fact that she's a backstabbing whore is what makes her interesting. She was never supposed to have any redeeming qualities at all.


To me that's what makes her uninteresting. That type of character already exists (Tanya for example) and so using Frost in that way just makes her even more derivitive in my opinion.

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04/11/2011 06:59 PM EST
kdogg87 Wrote:
Well, she is fighting Kenshi in the backround of the pit stage in the demo, so we know she at least makes a cameo...which makes her older than 13...unless it's a completely different female ice use with the same outfit and haircut.


Please don't drag character ages through this. Characters haven't had an age set to them since MK2... And it hardly played a big role.

If age was THAT important, they would make every character realistically look that age.

Unfortunately, such characters that are hinted to be old, such as Bo' Rai Cho, I never sensed any oldness within them since they hardly looked that age. Not to mention, a lot of the characters are in their thousands... So honestly, age wouldn't matter.


For Frost, I want to see her return, but I don't want to see this character have any alignment. She should be neutral. We don't have too many of them. Like, she can help the good guys out, as well as the bad guys, but not too much where her alignment is settled.

I don't want to know her as a female Sub-Zero clone because she's not. She knew ice powers, Sub-Zero taught her, that's not cloning, that's taking techniques from tutors and putting them to good use.

She should look different too... I don't want to make people wonder away from this topic, but... I kinda drew a fan submission of this character if anyone wants to check out what I think she should look like if she ever returned.
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04/11/2011 07:25 PM EST
The_Truth Wrote:
T-rex Wrote:
The fact that she's a backstabbing whore is what makes her interesting. She was never supposed to have any redeeming qualities at all.


To me that's what makes her uninteresting. That type of character already exists (Tanya for example) and so using Frost in that way just makes her even more derivitive in my opinion.


Then you have successfully missed the point of both Tanya and Frost. Two thumbs, way up.
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04/11/2011 07:54 PM EST
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A french native, Frost is one of Lin Kuei's most feared and versatile agents, serving as a spy, assassin and sweeper but her arrogance and disregard of the clan's stealth protocols places her at odds with her superiors. Fortunately for Frost, her raw power and skill are enough to back up her attitude. The Lin Kuei tolerate her ways as it would be unwise to have her as a enemy.

I'm certain the Frost fans (yeah, all 4 of you) know the inspiration behind the origins I gave her. The "muse" is Canadian though.grin


Shadowlord, I like a lot of your ideas. They are very interesting... such as the finger nails, and style of the character. Lol, I wouldn't mind her being inspired my Marie Claude Bourbonnais at allwink. Although, I am quite a big fan of her frozen short spiked hair look. I also wouldn't mind seeing her ice daggers return. As for costumes, I really love her MKDA alt and hope that some incarnation of that returns as well. Frost should definitely be next in the DLC line up IMO.


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Please don't drag character ages through this. Characters haven't had an age set to them since MK2... And it hardly played a big role.

For Frost, I want to see her return, but I don't want to see this character have any alignment. She should be neutral. We don't have too many of them. Like, she can help the good guys out, as well as the bad guys, but not too much where her alignment is settled.


I agree that the age factor shouldn't be brought up anymore.

A neutral Frost does open up a lot of possibilities. Everyone does have good and bad in them after all.
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04/11/2011 08:07 PM EST
I agree. A neutral Frost would be fantastic. I think the character has a lot of potential.