The Johnny Cage/Goro Rivalry Debate
The Johnny Cage/Goro Rivalry Debate
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posted12/31/2010 11:54 AM (UTC)byMember Since
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I know that this whole rivalry started from the 1995 live action movie, and that Midway at the time, used that idea and hinted at it in such games as
- Mortal Kombat Sholin Monks
- Mortal Kombat Armageddon
- Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance (I think, im not to sure)
My question is, since this game is going back to MK1,2,3 should this Johnny Cage/Goro Rivalry be made official???
i know that Liu Kang was the one who beat Goro, and in MK 4 Goro came back (i don't know how?) to get revenge on Liu Kang. so there is more reason for a Liu Kang/Goro Rivalry, but ive always felt Shang Tsung was Liu's rival.
i would still want Liu to beat Goro but at the same time i sort of like the Johnny Cage/Goro Rivalry. but im not sure how it would be done?
Anywho what do you guys think, should NRS do it?
- Mortal Kombat Sholin Monks
- Mortal Kombat Armageddon
- Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance (I think, im not to sure)
My question is, since this game is going back to MK1,2,3 should this Johnny Cage/Goro Rivalry be made official???
i know that Liu Kang was the one who beat Goro, and in MK 4 Goro came back (i don't know how?) to get revenge on Liu Kang. so there is more reason for a Liu Kang/Goro Rivalry, but ive always felt Shang Tsung was Liu's rival.
i would still want Liu to beat Goro but at the same time i sort of like the Johnny Cage/Goro Rivalry. but im not sure how it would be done?
Anywho what do you guys think, should NRS do it?
I always thought that this rivalry was really cool and entertaining.
I'm crossing my fingers that they magically have a cutscene where you're playing as Cage and you're up against Goro. He takes your sunglasses and the famous line comes out.
"Those were five hundred dollar sunglasses asshole!"
(Yeah I know he doesn't say it as soon as his glasses gets ripped off of him when they do in the movie, but still...)
I'm crossing my fingers that they magically have a cutscene where you're playing as Cage and you're up against Goro. He takes your sunglasses and the famous line comes out.
"Those were five hundred dollar sunglasses asshole!"
(Yeah I know he doesn't say it as soon as his glasses gets ripped off of him when they do in the movie, but still...)


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It's not even really possible for the two to fight. Goro is the title holder and Johnny is pretty low on the "likely to replace Liu if they go that direction" ladder.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
It's not even really possible for the two to fight. Goro is the title holder and Johnny is pretty low on the "likely to replace Liu if they go that direction" ladder.
It's not even really possible for the two to fight. Goro is the title holder and Johnny is pretty low on the "likely to replace Liu if they go that direction" ladder.
Exactly. Unless they revamp to make Mortal Kombat more of a war, like how MK2-Armageddon was, instead of a tournament. There will still be a "champion" but a champion is more of the overall hero of the respective side. So it doesn't matter who face who.
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Cage will die in this game, he's like the Kenny of MK
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Seasrmar Wrote:
Exactly. Unless they revamp to make Mortal Kombat more of a war, like how MK2-Armageddon was, instead of a tournament. There will still be a "champion" but a champion is more of the overall hero of the respective side. So it doesn't matter who face who.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
It's not even really possible for the two to fight. Goro is the title holder and Johnny is pretty low on the "likely to replace Liu if they go that direction" ladder.
It's not even really possible for the two to fight. Goro is the title holder and Johnny is pretty low on the "likely to replace Liu if they go that direction" ladder.
Exactly. Unless they revamp to make Mortal Kombat more of a war, like how MK2-Armageddon was, instead of a tournament. There will still be a "champion" but a champion is more of the overall hero of the respective side. So it doesn't matter who face who.
Also keep in mind, they're trying to change the future, so Goro could lose to Cage instead of Liu.
And yes, I would love to hear Johnny say, "Those were five hundred dollar sunglasses asshole!" And then he pulls out the other pair from his back pocket. LOL
FlamingTP Wrote:
Cage will die in this game, he's like the Kenny of MK
Cage will die in this game, he's like the Kenny of MK
LOL! Holy-Holy!


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Cliffhanger Wrote:
Also keep in mind, they're trying to change the future, so Goro could lose to Cage instead of Liu.
Also keep in mind, they're trying to change the future, so Goro could lose to Cage instead of Liu.
Which, as I said already, would make Johnny Cage the Champion of Mortal Kombat.
Not bloody likely.
IF they don't have Liu as the champion in the new timeline (which there's no guarantee that'll be one of the changes. So far things have stuck pretty close to canon and the changes may simply be things like "Mileena and Cage don't die this time, Rain is missing, and Quan Chi shows up more"), I would say that the only realistic options for his replacement are Kung Lao or Raiden.
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Which, as I said already, would make Johnny Cage the Champion of Mortal Kombat.
Not bloody likely.
IF they don't have Liu as the champion in the new timeline (which there's no guarantee that'll be one of the changes. So far things have stuck pretty close to canon and the changes may simply be things like "Mileena and Cage don't die this time, Rain is missing, and Quan Chi shows up more"), I would say that the only realistic options for his replacement are Kung Lao or Raiden.
Cliffhanger Wrote:
Also keep in mind, they're trying to change the future, so Goro could lose to Cage instead of Liu.
Also keep in mind, they're trying to change the future, so Goro could lose to Cage instead of Liu.
Which, as I said already, would make Johnny Cage the Champion of Mortal Kombat.
Not bloody likely.
IF they don't have Liu as the champion in the new timeline (which there's no guarantee that'll be one of the changes. So far things have stuck pretty close to canon and the changes may simply be things like "Mileena and Cage don't die this time, Rain is missing, and Quan Chi shows up more"), I would say that the only realistic options for his replacement are Kung Lao or Raiden.
I just wanna see Johnny punch Goro in the nuts...
Well, you're right. I don't think Johnny Cage could be seen as a champion of Mortal Kombat, he's too cocky and narcissistic. It would suck if he died... again.
I would say that perhaps Raiden would take matters in his own hands try to be champion, but that panders me as well. Ah, I hate this! X_o Why these time travel storylines?
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Which, as I said already, would make Johnny Cage the Champion of Mortal Kombat.
Cliffhanger Wrote:
Also keep in mind, they're trying to change the future, so Goro could lose to Cage instead of Liu.
Also keep in mind, they're trying to change the future, so Goro could lose to Cage instead of Liu.
Which, as I said already, would make Johnny Cage the Champion of Mortal Kombat.
The reigning champion is not necessarily the only champion in the tournament. Several tourneys, jousting competitions etc. from history can show easily that reigning or multiple time champions can forego eliminations, leagues etc. whatever and have the right to challenge the upstarts at any time if they so wished.
Give that Goro and Tsung are cahoots, Liu defeating Goro did not secure vitory for Earth. Not to mention Tsung already was the host of the tournament to begin with, so the fairness of rules flies out the window.


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Chrome Wrote:
Give that Goro and Tsung are cahoots, Liu defeating Goro did not secure vitory for Earth. Not to mention Tsung already was the host of the tournament to begin with, so the fairness of rules flies out the window.
Give that Goro and Tsung are cahoots, Liu defeating Goro did not secure vitory for Earth. Not to mention Tsung already was the host of the tournament to begin with, so the fairness of rules flies out the window.
In the original canon, beating Goro IS when Liu won the tournament. Everything after was a result of Shang throwing a temper tantrum about his side having failed, and Liu fought him not as part of the tournament, but to take the hosting rights away from him and return them to the Shaolin.
Shang's gimmick might be twisting the rules, but he can't cheat the actual championship round, that would probably warrant punishment from the Elder Gods since it's ultimately their game.
The way they did it in the movie, where suddenly this extra rule exists that goes "Well Shang used to be champ a long time ago, so he can actually sub in as the end boss and you can fight Goro early, sure" was completely ridiculous and only put in there so they could get to the end sooner, and have a feel-good film for kids about teamwork and friendship, instead of having a three hour movie about a whole tournament bracket where Liu, Johnny, and Sonya eventually have to fight and eliminate each other to see who makes it to the end.
They could make it that Liu Still defeats goro but shows mercy then Tsung cracks it and attacks kang, goro then aids tsung until cage intervenes, if the island crumble story stays goro and cage could be separated from tsung and kang and cage could miraculously defeat goro in part due to his injuries from his fight with kang goro could go into hiding from shame of not only losing his title to kang but also losing a fight to cage


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sss133 Wrote:
They could make it that Liu Still defeats goro but shows mercy then Tsung cracks it and attacks kang, goro then aids tsung until cage intervenes, if the island crumble story stays goro and cage could be separated from tsung and kang and cage could miraculously defeat goro in part due to his injuries from his fight with kang goro could go into hiding from shame of not only losing his title to kang but also losing a fight to cage
They could make it that Liu Still defeats goro but shows mercy then Tsung cracks it and attacks kang, goro then aids tsung until cage intervenes, if the island crumble story stays goro and cage could be separated from tsung and kang and cage could miraculously defeat goro in part due to his injuries from his fight with kang goro could go into hiding from shame of not only losing his title to kang but also losing a fight to cage
Something along those lines would actually work.
The official MK2 comic, which was written by Tobias and is canon in the original timeline (at least mostly so, there are some iffy parts), actually showed what all the other characters were up to while Liu was fighting Shang and the island started to self-destruct: Shang ordered his minions to attack everybody and make sure no one leaves the island alive. so Cage, Sonya, and Kano were fighting Goro. The Pit bridge collapses during the fight and they all fall in, but Raiden manages to catch and save Johnny.
That's how Sonya and Kano end up lost in Outworld and get captured and chained up in Kahn's Arena, they fell through a portal instead of hitting the bottom of the pit.
Goro's never found and they all assume he was killed (in MK4, it's revealed he went into hiding out of shame)
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Something along those lines would actually work.
The official MK2 comic, which was written by Tobias and is canon in the original timeline (at least mostly so, there are some iffy parts), actually showed what all the other characters were up to while Liu was fighting Shang and the island started to self-destruct: Shang ordered his minions to attack everybody and make sure no one leaves the island alive. so Cage, Sonya, and Kano were fighting Goro. The Pit bridge collapses during the fight and they all fall in, but Raiden manages to catch and save Johnny.
That's how Sonya and Kano end up lost in Outworld and get captured and chained up in Kahn's Arena, they fell through a portal instead of hitting the bottom of the pit.
Goro's never found and they all assume he was killed (in MK4, it's revealed he went into hiding out of shame)
sss133 Wrote:
They could make it that Liu Still defeats goro but shows mercy then Tsung cracks it and attacks kang, goro then aids tsung until cage intervenes, if the island crumble story stays goro and cage could be separated from tsung and kang and cage could miraculously defeat goro in part due to his injuries from his fight with kang goro could go into hiding from shame of not only losing his title to kang but also losing a fight to cage
They could make it that Liu Still defeats goro but shows mercy then Tsung cracks it and attacks kang, goro then aids tsung until cage intervenes, if the island crumble story stays goro and cage could be separated from tsung and kang and cage could miraculously defeat goro in part due to his injuries from his fight with kang goro could go into hiding from shame of not only losing his title to kang but also losing a fight to cage
Something along those lines would actually work.
The official MK2 comic, which was written by Tobias and is canon in the original timeline (at least mostly so, there are some iffy parts), actually showed what all the other characters were up to while Liu was fighting Shang and the island started to self-destruct: Shang ordered his minions to attack everybody and make sure no one leaves the island alive. so Cage, Sonya, and Kano were fighting Goro. The Pit bridge collapses during the fight and they all fall in, but Raiden manages to catch and save Johnny.
That's how Sonya and Kano end up lost in Outworld and get captured and chained up in Kahn's Arena, they fell through a portal instead of hitting the bottom of the pit.
Goro's never found and they all assume he was killed (in MK4, it's revealed he went into hiding out of shame)
I'm waiting for someone to say the MKSM version of things. Can you still get them comics or read them online somewhere?
Unless something drastically changes there isn't that much else they could do to employ the cage goro rivalry except just a personal dislike story without ruining parts of the story but thats just my opinion


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I think Kamidogu.com has scans of the comics.
I'm not sure if it's legal to post that, but the comics were never sold on shelves anyway, they were only available by mail-order and have been out of print for like 15+ years now, so it's not like anybody's losing a sale from you reading them online. It's literally impossible to acquire them now by any other means.
Just make sure you find the ones called "Mortal Kombat Collector's Edition" and "Mortal Kombat II Collector's Edition", all the others are non-canon.
I'm not sure if it's legal to post that, but the comics were never sold on shelves anyway, they were only available by mail-order and have been out of print for like 15+ years now, so it's not like anybody's losing a sale from you reading them online. It's literally impossible to acquire them now by any other means.
Just make sure you find the ones called "Mortal Kombat Collector's Edition" and "Mortal Kombat II Collector's Edition", all the others are non-canon.
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Even though the whole Johnny vs Goro thing was pretty much just in the movie, why not have it as a rivalry in the canon story, or turn it into a part of the story?
In reality, I guess you could say Kung Lao and Goro probably should be rivals cuz of the history with the Great Kung Lao, but that got settled in MK4 eventually.
I think the thing that attracts MK fans to this type of rivalry is mostly a clash of the personalities. A brute force, powerhouse Shokan who even though is on the side of ST/Kahn, is loyal and fights for his Shokan race with honor. Meanwhile on the other side, you got a cocky, knuckleheaded, arrogant, though incredibly gifted fighter who thinks he can cruise through the tournament and pick up Outworld ladies in the process.
In reality, I guess you could say Kung Lao and Goro probably should be rivals cuz of the history with the Great Kung Lao, but that got settled in MK4 eventually.
I think the thing that attracts MK fans to this type of rivalry is mostly a clash of the personalities. A brute force, powerhouse Shokan who even though is on the side of ST/Kahn, is loyal and fights for his Shokan race with honor. Meanwhile on the other side, you got a cocky, knuckleheaded, arrogant, though incredibly gifted fighter who thinks he can cruise through the tournament and pick up Outworld ladies in the process.


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Locusta Wrote:
Cage is comic relief.
Cage is comic relief.
Which is bullshit. I love Cage as the self-absorbed douchebag as much as the next guy but for once I'd like NRS to acknowledge that he's also actually a very competent fighter (not the cannon fodder he's been shown to be) and, even more importantly, he's notably heroic. He's not Dan Hibiki.
I'm not too happy with the prospect that Liu may not win the tournament but if he absolutely must be replaced I think Johnny Cage is a fine candidate. Maybe third in the list behind Kung Lao.


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No, Johnny should not even get to get near goro. They should keep it a TOURNAMENT. and in a tournament, Johnny would not get a shot at the championship. The movie was one thing. The game is another. should we also have scorpion and subzero working together under shang's control? Or should Nightwolf say "Release your animality"?
keep the game as a tournament story-wise, but feel free to have special dialogue between cage and goro in an arcade fight. "Those were 500 dollar sunglasses, asshole."
keep the game as a tournament story-wise, but feel free to have special dialogue between cage and goro in an arcade fight. "Those were 500 dollar sunglasses, asshole."

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I really want see cage be goro's rival. liu kang's rival is shang tsung.
Cage isnt really a weakling.
Cage isnt really a weakling.
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sss133 Wrote:
They could make it that Liu Still defeats goro but shows mercy then Tsung cracks it and attacks kang, goro then aids tsung until cage intervenes, if the island crumble story stays goro and cage could be separated from tsung and kang and cage could miraculously defeat goro in part due to his injuries from his fight with kang goro could go into hiding from shame of not only losing his title to kang but also losing a fight to cage
They could make it that Liu Still defeats goro but shows mercy then Tsung cracks it and attacks kang, goro then aids tsung until cage intervenes, if the island crumble story stays goro and cage could be separated from tsung and kang and cage could miraculously defeat goro in part due to his injuries from his fight with kang goro could go into hiding from shame of not only losing his title to kang but also losing a fight to cage
I like this idea
Crimson_Pool21 Wrote:
I know that this whole rivalry started from the 1995 live action movie, and that Midway at the time, used that idea and hinted at it in such games as
- Mortal Kombat Sholin Monks
- Mortal Kombat Armageddon
- Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance (I think, im not to sure)
My question is, since this game is going back to MK1,2,3 should this Johnny Cage/Goro Rivalry be made official???
i know that Liu Kang was the one who beat Goro, and in MK 4 Goro came back (i don't know how?) to get revenge on Liu Kang. so there is more reason for a Liu Kang/Goro Rivalry, but ive always felt Shang Tsung was Liu's rival.
i would still want Liu to beat Goro but at the same time i sort of like the Johnny Cage/Goro Rivalry. but im not sure how it would be done?
Anywho what do you guys think, should NRS do it?
I know that this whole rivalry started from the 1995 live action movie, and that Midway at the time, used that idea and hinted at it in such games as
- Mortal Kombat Sholin Monks
- Mortal Kombat Armageddon
- Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance (I think, im not to sure)
My question is, since this game is going back to MK1,2,3 should this Johnny Cage/Goro Rivalry be made official???
i know that Liu Kang was the one who beat Goro, and in MK 4 Goro came back (i don't know how?) to get revenge on Liu Kang. so there is more reason for a Liu Kang/Goro Rivalry, but ive always felt Shang Tsung was Liu's rival.
i would still want Liu to beat Goro but at the same time i sort of like the Johnny Cage/Goro Rivalry. but im not sure how it would be done?
Anywho what do you guys think, should NRS do it?
I always thought there was a particular reason they fought.
Knowing Goro, he would never battle just anyone. He goes after the best of the best, i.e. Great Kung Lao.
And remember, in the film Shang Tsung chose Johnny Cage as his opponet. I see no coincidence in this. I think Shang Tsung knew something about Cage that no one else knew, and so he fixed matches so that his best men would fight only Cage, in the hopes Cage would die sooner.
Something tells me Johnny Cage is GKL's true successor.


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Riyakou Wrote:
And remember, in the film Shang Tsung chose Johnny Cage as his opponet. I see no coincidence in this. I think Shang Tsung knew something about Cage that no one else knew, and so he fixed matches so that his best men would fight only Cage, in the hopes Cage would die sooner.
Something tells me Johnny Cage is GKL's true successor.
And remember, in the film Shang Tsung chose Johnny Cage as his opponet. I see no coincidence in this. I think Shang Tsung knew something about Cage that no one else knew, and so he fixed matches so that his best men would fight only Cage, in the hopes Cage would die sooner.
Something tells me Johnny Cage is GKL's true successor.
lolwut.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
lolwut.
Riyakou Wrote:
And remember, in the film Shang Tsung chose Johnny Cage as his opponet. I see no coincidence in this. I think Shang Tsung knew something about Cage that no one else knew, and so he fixed matches so that his best men would fight only Cage, in the hopes Cage would die sooner.
Something tells me Johnny Cage is GKL's true successor.
And remember, in the film Shang Tsung chose Johnny Cage as his opponet. I see no coincidence in this. I think Shang Tsung knew something about Cage that no one else knew, and so he fixed matches so that his best men would fight only Cage, in the hopes Cage would die sooner.
Something tells me Johnny Cage is GKL's true successor.
lolwut.
Hey, I say this because the film has become canon with the game's storyline.
Thus, I include it. Also, with each succeeding game, Johnny Cage's purpose has broadened. Even in his Armageddon bio he had several visions of what was to come.
Cage is much more important than what we are led to believe.


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Riyakou Wrote:
Hey, I say this because the film has become canon with the game's storyline.
Hey, I say this because the film has become canon with the game's storyline.
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