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Hey, I say this because the film has become canon with the game's storyline.


I wanted to post an image macro, but I don't have one strong enough to express the stupid.


I've got Taker reaction faces just beggin to be posted.
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12/28/2010 07:03 PM (UTC)
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i hate the cage goro rivalry. i like the kung lao goro rivalry much more
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12/28/2010 07:12 PM (UTC)
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I would love for them to fight. It would be great to have something other than, "Hey here's a HUGE UNBEATABLE BAD GUY...oh wait Liu killed him...next bad guy plz."

Though I don't know how it would work in the storyline.

Plus I think it would be awesome for Johnny. It would show he is skilled.

"Yeah, Liu ultimately killed the powerful evil sorcerer and saved the day, but I killed the huge four-armed monster that rips people in half! How cool am I?"
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12/28/2010 07:31 PM (UTC)
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Just plain no.
I'm so fed up of people wanting to change the game's story to the movie's just because it looked nice and flashy 15 years ago. This is a game devoted to rebooting and focusing on the original series that came out 17 years ago, not the crap that stemmed from it. With that being said, I liked the movie, but stuff like Cage beating Goro, and his being a pompous goofball was so annoying and I hate how these stories are constantly being revived by fans who can't remember MK1's story, and stupid box art that came out for a Special Edition of MK Armageddon.
The only rivalry Goro should have should be with is Motaro, considering they are natural enemies in Outworld, and the fact that Shao Kahn favoured the Centaurians after Goro and Kintaro failed to be productive in dealing with Earthrealm's latest generation of fighters. However, that still has holes in it since the two species only became enemies because Goro was thought to be killed, so with that in mind, why should Goro have any rivalries?
And before anyone says, "Wut u talkin bout, Kung Loa and Lui Kang should be his rivalz!", no, they shouldn't. Goro beat the original Kung Lao in battle fair and sqaure, and even considered him a great opponent, and lost to Liu Kang fairly as well. You never see Liu Kang worrying about Goro; between Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn, and Quan Chi, Liu Kang has enough opponents to consider before Goro. And from Goro's perspective, aside from wanting to beat Liu Kang to regain his title, which in never mentioned in the official MK4 comic and seems to be as ignored as Scorpion's promise for life in MK4, he doesn't care at all about anyone from Earthrealm and moved on. Seriously, an MK character who decided to accept his loss and try to think of the future of his people instead of constantly worry about his title in a once-per-generation fighting championship? Damn, who knew he could be so developed! If only this pacing kept up with MK Deception...
Anyway, even Kung Lao's MKG ending shows that Goro no longer wants to fight and desires peace, and he is completely civil with Kung Lao despite him attacking Goro. Goro is an honour-bound fighter and nobleman, not a giant, stupid henchman who blindly seeks revenge like certain MK characters.
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12/28/2010 09:04 PM (UTC)
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I have never liked this and I hope they don't flesh this out. Goro and Cage doesn't make any sence to me. In the first MK movie it was OK, I guess. But in the game Goro would tear Cage's balls off and feed em to him. Cage is too much of a joke character to defeat Goro and I would actually find it pretty insulting if a half-failed hollywood movie star defeated the shokan prince who was the MK champion for over 500 years.

The best rival for Goro would be Kung Lao for me. So Cage and Goro? Big no!
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12/28/2010 09:18 PM (UTC)
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Demon_0 Wrote:
I have never liked this and I hope they don't flesh this out. Goro and Cage doesn't make any sence to me. In the first MK movie it was OK, I guess. But in the game Goro would tear Cage's balls off and feed em to him. Cage is too much of a joke character to defeat Goro and I would actually find it pretty insulting if a half-failed hollywood movie star defeated the shokan prince who was the MK champion for over 500 years.

The best rival for Goro would be Kung Lao for me. So Cage and Goro? Big no!


While I'm not necessarily for the Cage/Goro rivalry it bugs me when people say Cage wouldn't stand a chance against Goro. Sure Cage is comic relief but he is by no means a joke. He is one of the Earth's greatest warriors.

And I thought Cage "killing" Goro was canon anyway. I thought after losing the tournament Goro went on a rampage killing all the tournament survivors. Kano, Sonya and Cage teamed up to stop Goro. But Cage was the one who ultimately beat him.

I'm not to sure about that though it's been a while since I read the comics.
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12/28/2010 09:26 PM (UTC)
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McHotcakes Wrote:
While I'm not necessarily for the Cage/Goro rivalry it bugs me when people say Cage wouldn't stand a chance against Goro. Sure Cage is comic relief but he is by no means a joke. He is one of the Earth's greatest warriors.
And I thought Cage "killing" Goro was canon anyway. I thought after losing the tournament Goro went on a rampage killing all the tournament survivors. Kano, Sonya and Cage teamed up to stop Goro. But Cage was the one who ultimately beat him.
I'm not to sure about that though it's been a while since I read the comics.

The whole scenario isn't that Cage beat Goro after Liu Kang did; what happened was that after Goro's defeat, Shang Tsung ordered all the Kombatants killed. During this time, Liu Kang fought Shang Tsung personally, while Raiden, Sub-Zero, and Scorpion fought various guards, and Kano, Sonya, and Johnny fought Goro at The Pit. When Liu won, the island began to disappear/explode, and ultimately, The Pit was consumed and Kano, Sonya, and Goro fell into a portal leading to Outworld; only Cage was rescued by Raiden before being taken into another portal back to Earth.
In other words, they fought, but it was a 3-on-1 match, and there was no winner thanks to the island falling apart.
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12/28/2010 09:27 PM (UTC)
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McHotcakes Wrote:
Sure Cage is comic relief but he is by no means a joke. He is one of the Earth's greatest warriors.


And Goro has beaten Earth's greatest warriors for 500 years straight, including the Great Kung Lao.

I respect Cage as a fighter, but the likes of him and Sonya are just not enough to take on any of the boss characters.
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12/28/2010 10:38 PM (UTC)
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lol if the movies are canon then Sheeva is squished by a cage and quickly forgotten. I'd be a li'l disappoint.

Also: Sonya vs Mileena mud wrestling. Epic stuff guys. Was MK2 movie written by fans? Seriously though, Sheeva and Goro have issues with each other and both are very influential and powerful Shokans sooooo.....flesh out that rivalry.
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12/28/2010 11:35 PM (UTC)
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Locusta Wrote:
lol if the movies are canon then Sheeva is squished by a cage and quickly forgotten. I'd be a li'l disappoint.


When did this happen cage died before sheeva was even shown.
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12/29/2010 12:05 AM (UTC)
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maximus12 Wrote:
Locusta Wrote:
lol if the movies are canon then Sheeva is squished by a cage and quickly forgotten. I'd be a li'l disappoint.


When did this happen cage died before sheeva was even shown.


He is talking about how she died in the mortal kombat annihilation movie, i think you read the post wrong tongue
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12/29/2010 12:18 AM (UTC)
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lol! Sheeva was squished by a cage.

That should be an arena specific fatality that only works on her.
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12/29/2010 12:21 AM (UTC)
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No, I wouldn't want movie elements put into the game. Simple quotes and hints from the movies I don't mind, but nothing major like a character rivalry.
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12/29/2010 01:02 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
McHotcakes Wrote:
Sure Cage is comic relief but he is by no means a joke. He is one of the Earth's greatest warriors.


And Goro has beaten Earth's greatest warriors for 500 years straight, including the Great Kung Lao.

I respect Cage as a fighter, but the likes of him and Sonya are just not enough to take on any of the boss characters.


This is similar to the Liu Kang debate. Just because someone is champion it doesn't make them invincible. Liu Kang was unsuccessful at rescuing Kitana at the start of MK 4. Somebody must have beaten him. Just like Goro. He was the champion but he can still be beat.

Also we don't really know how good the warriors from the past 500 hundred years were. Cage and Sonya could have been stronger than all of them for all we know. And we don't know how well Goro did against them all either. We know he won, but all of the matches could have been very close with Goro barley managing to beat them.

Another point, although this one is just my opinion, is aside from Shao Khan, Raiden and a few others, I think most of the MK roster is pretty evenly matched. This just sort of depends on the player's point of view, but I think it's just more interesting if all the characters are at the same level.

With all that said I could see Cage being able to take down Goro imo. glasses
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12/29/2010 02:45 AM (UTC)
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Crimson_Pool21 Wrote:
maximus12 Wrote:
Locusta Wrote:
lol if the movies are canon then Sheeva is squished by a cage and quickly forgotten. I'd be a li'l disappoint.


When did this happen cage died before sheeva was even shown.


He is talking about how she died in the mortal kombat annihilation movie, i think you read the post wrong tongue



Yea I did read it wrong lol that was a way lame to die though.
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12/29/2010 03:37 AM (UTC)
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I've always enjoyed the idea of Goro and Cage being rivals. Those that know me know I enjoy characters and situations that thrive on contrast. In this case, the "badguy" Goro is the honorable one, the noble fighter with a proud lineage, solemn and stoic in his resolve, while the "good guy" Cage is a showboating, self-centered egomaniac, cocky and theatrical in everything he does, reckless, jokey, and rarely taking things seriously. To pit these two as rivals is great contrast and great potential. For all his honor and strength, Goro cannot suffer the indignation of defeat or the shame or humiliation that would bring his family and people, and for all his humor and ego, Cage is still a supremely gifted fighter and a good man with honor, bravery, and valor.

It's the same way a rivalry like Batman and the Joker works so well, or others like Robin Hood and the Sheriff of Nottingham, Peter Pan and Captain Hook, or even Mario and Bowser. You have the "jokey" one and the straight man, either hero or villain, that endures the others' prattles.

I'd like to see Goro and Cage go at it and tear into each other, both physically and with their clashing morals and personalities. Goro underestimates Cage due to his disrespectful attitude and childish behavior, while Cage uses his sardonic wit and smart mouth to undermine Goro's easily bruised honor and nobility.

And it would be far more humiliate and understandable for Goro to hide in shame if he had lost to a smarmy douchebag like Cage than to lose to a similarly honorable and noble Liu Kang.
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12/29/2010 03:41 AM (UTC)
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Just plain no.
I'm so fed up of people wanting to change the game's story to the movie's just because it looked nice and flashy 15 years ago.


Well, Boon's already done that, particularly with Johnny Cage, so you might wanna take that up with him.

Hell, it even states in Goro's trading card that Johnny Cage is one of his foes.
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12/29/2010 04:12 AM (UTC)
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While the first movie is nice, and the second one is wonderful to get drunk to and mock, by no means are they canon.

Now, while I think they certainly do appear to be taking some influence from the first film for this game - and I applaud that - like others have said, Cage just isn't up to par with Goro. I wouldn't mind seeing the two of them fight, but Cage would get it handed to him. Best to leave it to Kang.
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12/29/2010 05:18 AM (UTC)
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Shadaloo Wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing the two of them fight, but Cage would get it handed to him. Best to leave it to Kang.


Yes, leave everything to Kang. He's our hero. He'll never screw up and get himself killed. We can count on him every time.

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12/29/2010 05:22 AM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Shadaloo Wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing the two of them fight, but Cage would get it handed to him. Best to leave it to Kang.


Yes, leave everything to Kang. He's our hero. He'll never screw up and get himself killed. We can count on him every time.

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12/29/2010 06:06 AM (UTC)
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Just a thought, but Goro is not restricted to one rival or one fight per game. Yeah, Cage may be too weak to beat Goro during the events of MK1, but how much stronger does he get by the end of the trilogy?

By the same token, who said Cage has to defeat Goro for it to be a rivalry?

I could see a scenario in which Cage breaks tournament rules/is an arrogant douche toward Tsung and is forced to fight Goro in an unofficial match during MK1. Of course, Johnny acts invincible but gets his ass handed to him. Liu later defeats Goro, more story ensues. Johnny starts to train like a motherfucker (enter sports montage) since he realizes he's not the unbeatable fighter he thought he was, maybe he learns some discipline, stuff like that. Johnny and Goro have a rematch around the end of MK3 (or MK2 I suppose) and Johnny wins.

Enter douchebag "I beat Goro, bitches!" mode.

Made that up as I went and I know you cocks are going to poke holes in it, but it's more of a concept than a story suggestion.
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12/29/2010 07:29 AM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Shadaloo Wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing the two of them fight, but Cage would get it handed to him. Best to leave it to Kang.


Yes, leave everything to Kang. He's our hero. He'll never screw up and get himself killed. We can count on him every time.


That was...just after he got shot in the back by the guy he didn't know was there, right? Just checking. smile
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12/29/2010 07:35 AM (UTC)
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Just a thought, but Goro is not restricted to one rival or one fight per game. Yeah, Cage may be too weak to beat Goro during the events of MK1, but how much stronger does he get by the end of the trilogy?

By the same token, who said Cage has to defeat Goro for it to be a rivalry?

I could see a scenario in which Cage breaks tournament rules/is an arrogant douche toward Tsung and is forced to fight Goro in an unofficial match during MK1. Of course, Johnny acts invincible but gets his ass handed to him. Liu later defeats Goro, more story ensues. Johnny starts to train like a motherfucker (enter sports montage) since he realizes he's not the unbeatable fighter he thought he was, maybe he learns some discipline, stuff like that. Johnny and Goro have a rematch around the end of MK3 (or MK2 I suppose) and Johnny wins.

Enter douchebag "I beat Goro, bitches!" mode.

Made that up as I went and I know you cocks are going to poke holes in it, but it's more of a concept than a story suggestion.


Man, if Goro is present for the events of MK2 and 3 instead of missing and presumed dead, I'ma call shenanigans right there. Certain changes to history I might be able to accept, but that bland motherfucker simply doesn't deserve to steal Kintaro and Motaro/Sheeva's screentime.
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12/29/2010 07:39 AM (UTC)
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Well to be honest, "missing and presumed dead" isn't the best storyline for someone who is found and presumed living in the next game anyway. It can be changed.

Edit: In after edit, too tired to respond to valid point.
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12/29/2010 07:54 AM (UTC)
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Another thought on the same subject: If Goro had never gone missing, I'm inclined to believe that his continued service in Kahn's army would have possibly prevented the Centaurs from rising to power in MK3 (which would suck because I really consider them an important element of that story), and he might not have gained the wisdom and desire for peace that caused him to turn good, shake hands with Kung Lao, and all that at the end of MK4 into Deadly Alliance.

And when Goro was good and signed the truce with the Centaurs and fought alongside Kitana and died in battle was the ONLY time I have ever liked his character. His return/ridiculous heel turn in Deception was seriously insulting to read. I simply could not believe a character previously depicted the way he was in MK4 and DA would ever be dumb enough to go right back to Kahn after the way things went for his people like Sheeva in MK3, and that a previously honor-centric race of noble warriors would be satisfied with becoming a bunch of brutal, slaughter-happy dumb lackeys like some stand-in for the Tarkatans.
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