Um, I thought Goro did it cuz Kahn saved him during MKDA, and Kahn said he would have the Shokan lead him again?

Having said that, yeah, it was pretty ridiculous when I first saw his Deception bio years ago. lol

To me, "he saved my life" isn't necessarily a good enough reason to trust a ruthless, backstabbing tyrant who's betrayed your people in the past and could easily do so again any time he feels like. Goro should've at LEAST been trying to work another angle, only pretending to be on Kahn's side while plotting to eventually challenge him to earn the Shokan freedom and control of Outworld, rather than just being a good little henchman in Deception and Armageddon. That shit is out of character.

Also, Kahn shouldn't have turned out to be alive in MKD in the first fuckin' place.

Hell, Kahn shouldn't have been alive in the opening cutscene of MKDA for the Deadly Alliance to kill! He should have died at the end of MK3 all along!

As long as Vogel is around Johnny Cage will never amount to anything other than comedy relief. He's just there to get beat up and killed.

Doesnt dan see him self as sagat's rival? Well I see the whole cage and goro rivalry the same way. Joke character vs the tough sub boss. Its not meant to be taken seriously but its cute.

In think they should do it, he can fight and loose!

With a little change in the Mortal Kombat tournament, insted of the defending champion only fighting against the Tourmanet Champion.
the defending champions fights in the Tournament like any other.

hundred of people entered the tournament. one of them is Goro, and because he is the Inmortal Champion Goro beats the Crap out of them all.
in the Top 4 lets say, Liu vs some one, Goro vs Kage, Kage pushes Goro to his limits but is defeated. Revealing to Liu a Weak spot in Goros Fighting stile.
Liu using this beats Goro. etc.

using SF as a reference.

Liu=ryu.
Akuma=Shang Stung
Shao Kahn=m.Bison / Vega.
Goro=Sagat more or less.

And in the movie Cage punched Goro in the balls and then knocked him off a cliff from behind.

We never really got any information regarding how Kang beat Goro. It may very well have included some clever shenanigans. So I don't think it's inconceivable that Cage could beat Goro using similar "lulz I'm smarter than u!"

That's how I always pegged Goro's win streak. Not necessarily because Great Kung Lao or any of the subsequent challengers were outright incapable of beating him but rather because they were totally caught off guard. They walked into the fight with their usual style wholly unprepared for the behemoth they were up against.

So I always assumed Liu Kang didn't beat Goro just by punching the shit out of him but instead used the whole Bruce Lee "be water" philosophy and successfully adapted while everybody before him failed. There's no reason Johnny Cage couldn't do the same.

That being said, I still think Liu Kang should win the tournament. Just that I think the suggestion that Cage is incapable of beating Goro is selling him short. He deserves his moment at some point. I never liked the idea that every significant fight reduces to "Liu Kang will handle it."

Oh I'm sorry, I just wanted to quote this for truth.

As in you mean Sagat murdered Dan Hibiki's father in a grudge match. How that is cute, is beyond me.


Johnny Cage is among the most talented and potentially powerful martial artists that can regularly pose a threat to Outworld warriors ever since the beginning. His motivations and demeanor may hamper him being a champion of Earth, but his skills are beyond debate. Hell, Raiden specifically revived him for MK4 to combat the threat, meanwhile canonically there were alot of other allies at their disposal.

Plus, I always think they overplay the douche aspect. Cage could be the Spiderman of the fanchise acting (and simultaneously being) a douche to secure his own morale and confuse, taunt or otherwise bother his enemies.

He has nothing in common with Goro, and the first movie is basically crap when it comes to basic plot. Especially Lambert as Raiden....ugh.

I don't really see how Cage is a joke character. Sure his personality leads you to him being a complete douche, I would too act like that if I had some of the great martial arts stuff taught to me and was put to good use.

This is as I see it as well

since the story is gonna change why not let johnny become champ? he gets even more cocky and loses to kahn in mk2. kung lao beats kahn and becomes the new champ.

Meh, I suppose you have valid points Razor.

I would still like to see the rivalry somehow, but I don't know if it could work.

Please don't misunderstand; I don't mean to come off as if I'm disrespecting the Cagemeister. 'Cage would get it handed to him' is perhaps too harsh-sounding. It's not that I think Cage is incapable. I just think Goro would wear him down.

I personally have seen Goro's win streak as being moreover due to his sheer skill. In a race of four-armed Shokan half-dragon beasts, he's supposed to be the best of the best. That has to count for a lot. And I've always thought that it was a given that the Shaolin would keep sending warriors to the tournament, but that they'd tell them what's waiting for them. The fight itself is a different matter, but I think the Shaolin would send people who've trained for this.

I think Cage is more than capable of holding his own against the vast majority of Kahn's henchmen. I've always pictured his MK3/T death as being the result of a long, drawn-out fight against a number of centaurs who wore him down.

Point in fact - and some people may find this insane - I think that Cage can even feasably beat Kintaro. Whereas I've always seen Goro as champion of Outworld's champions - and Kintaro is canonically stronger - I see Kintaro as more of a creature of brute strength, a capable general but one more apt to be easily fooled by Cage's shenanigans in a one-on-one fight, to fall for things Goro would not. That's something I'd love to see - I agree that Cage does need his moment; perhaps Kintaro should supply it.

Imagine the match; 3 seconds into the match Cage would be lying on the floor covered in his own blood, sweat, piss and tears with his arms fifty feet away from him, while Goro uses two arms to smoke a cigar, two arms to read the evening newspaper and his feet destroying Cage while chatting up a female Shokan. Good to watch, but will be over quickly.

Why is this even being debated? There's proof everywhere of Cage punching Goro in the dick, kicking his ass, and then delivering a witty one-liner as he knocks him off a mountain.

I love Goro too, but even Goro can get Caged.

^^
When he punched Goro in his balls his face was epic.Sure Cage has his moments, but remember when you first played as Johnny Cage and fought against Goro, he destroyed every part of you so badly it felt as if every thing was over before it begun. I would love to repeat his experience again, just not as JC.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Man, if Goro is present for the events of MK2 and 3 instead of missing and presumed dead, I'ma call shenanigans right there. Certain changes to history I might be able to accept, but that bland motherfucker simply doesn't deserve to steal Kintaro and Motaro/Sheeva's screentime.
Another thought on the same subject: If Goro had never gone missing, I'm inclined to believe that his continued service in Kahn's army would have possibly prevented the Centaurs from rising to power in MK3 (which would suck because I really consider them an important element of that story), and he might not have gained the wisdom and desire for peace that caused him to turn good, shake hands with Kung Lao, and all that at the end of MK4 into Deadly Alliance.
And when Goro was good and signed the truce with the Centaurs and fought alongside Kitana and died in battle was the ONLY time I have ever liked his character. His return/ridiculous heel turn in Deception was seriously insulting to read. I simply could not believe a character previously depicted the way he was in MK4 and DA would ever be dumb enough to go right back to Kahn after the way things went for his people like Sheeva in MK3, and that a previously honor-centric race of noble warriors would be satisfied with becoming a bunch of brutal, slaughter-happy dumb lackeys like some stand-in for the Tarkatans.
'Oh I'm sorry, I just wanted to quote this for truth." "
Wow what a great post! I agree.
Would Goro REALLY be incapacitated by a punch to the stones? lo
I’d expect a prtoctive codpiece or a pain fueled rage.

Don't forget that Dan's Father [Gou] gouged out Sagat's eye. If you really want to be technical Sagat could be charged with manslaughter but he would be acquitted due to self defense since Gou cost him his eye.

Most SF characters are clinically insane, if you examine them critically.

I doubt they are any more insane than the MK cast. You have to be absolutely batshit crazy to keep entering a tournament where the sole purpose is to murder your opponents [or be murdered] in the most gruesome ways possible. You have to be a complete psychopath to keep signing up for that.

These poor, insane fools. Strangely attractive though. If given the chance, would you live the life of one of them?

People who continuously see characters like Johnny Cage as mere joke characters are those who foolishly give in to first impressions without the incentive to have the MKTeam do better in the future.

We all know from time to time they listen to us, but instead of trying to reach out, many choose to sit there and complain out pathetic the characters are.

How about they WORK on the characters instead of simply excluding them? That makes for a better fighting game.

I thinks it should go like this

Goro vs Kung Lao
Kintaro vs Cage
Motaro vs Jax
Shang Tsung vs Liu Kang
Raiden vs Shao Kahn

And if they decide that the if somebody kills somebody then they should stay dead! At least for the next 2 games...

Well I dont see the reason behind sagat being dan's arch nemesis cute. I just think the rivalry itself is quite funny.

And I admit I was wrong when I said johnny cage is a joke character but he is the comic relief (like dan)

I like the whole cage vs goro thing since the first movie came out. Liu Kang has shang tsung, sonya has kano, and cage has goro.