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NoobSaibot5 Wrote:
But why would you want Reptile to look like he's similar to a Lin Kuei? He's not even from Earthrealm, to dress anything like a clan of secretive ninjas would be far beyond coincidental.
Look, each ninja character has a gimmick.
Scorpion, he's Hellspawn (all of his attire and armour from MK4 onwards has gone with the Hell Motif, bar his Deception Primary).
Ermac, he's the Mystic (again, since his re-introduction in Deception he's been Arabian styled sorcerer with gemstones and flowing fabrics on his outfit)
Noob, he's got the Shadow style going for him (everything from leather outfits, to hooded ninja suits, he's taken hints of S&M and hints of Gothic and ran with it)
Rain, he's got the Royalty vibe. His armour in the last two games he's appeared in all have strong visual references to the fact he's of Royal lineage with the golden outlines, strong purples and decorative tunics)
For Sub-Zero and Smoke, both had outfits that contrasted in style in MK9 (not even looking anything remotely like Sektor and Cyrax's human clothes), so the only logical answer I can think of to that is that warriors of their respective ranks are to wear outfits of the same motif depending on their mission. In this case, Smoke and Sub-Zero wore armoured ninja costumes in their adventures in Outworld, whilst Cyrax and Sektor went with more traditional, lighter uniforms when they competed in Shang Tsung's tournament. Regardless, they're uniform is supposedly well known, as Kitana recognised Smoke was from the Lin Kuei upon first glance.
With Reptile, he's a god damn Reptile. His attacks all go around the Lizard motif (spitting acidic venom, sliding across floors, using slime, his tongue and invisability to destroy his foes) and his name was given due to the fact he had a green outfit. It makes sense for him to dress like he's not human, because he's not!
This "hate Reptile when he's not in human form" brigade tires me. I've been a Reptile fan since he first appeared in the Pit many moons ago, and to be honest, no matter what costume he wears I'll like the character (though MK9 done nothing to help that out either).
If anything, I'd like him more if he did become more primitive and feral, I'd love to see a heartbroken, deranged and psychotic Reptile completely lose his mind and become a threat to the very people who stepped on him for years. He was finally starting to become that in Deadly Alliance, which was why I loved the change in appearance, it reflected how abused and neglected he was over the years that he'd ultimately lose what little sanity he had left in him and regressed into something more primitive. It said a lot more about his character than his human appearances ever have.
But why would you want Reptile to look like he's similar to a Lin Kuei? He's not even from Earthrealm, to dress anything like a clan of secretive ninjas would be far beyond coincidental.
Look, each ninja character has a gimmick.
Scorpion, he's Hellspawn (all of his attire and armour from MK4 onwards has gone with the Hell Motif, bar his Deception Primary).
Ermac, he's the Mystic (again, since his re-introduction in Deception he's been Arabian styled sorcerer with gemstones and flowing fabrics on his outfit)
Noob, he's got the Shadow style going for him (everything from leather outfits, to hooded ninja suits, he's taken hints of S&M and hints of Gothic and ran with it)
Rain, he's got the Royalty vibe. His armour in the last two games he's appeared in all have strong visual references to the fact he's of Royal lineage with the golden outlines, strong purples and decorative tunics)
For Sub-Zero and Smoke, both had outfits that contrasted in style in MK9 (not even looking anything remotely like Sektor and Cyrax's human clothes), so the only logical answer I can think of to that is that warriors of their respective ranks are to wear outfits of the same motif depending on their mission. In this case, Smoke and Sub-Zero wore armoured ninja costumes in their adventures in Outworld, whilst Cyrax and Sektor went with more traditional, lighter uniforms when they competed in Shang Tsung's tournament. Regardless, they're uniform is supposedly well known, as Kitana recognised Smoke was from the Lin Kuei upon first glance.
With Reptile, he's a god damn Reptile. His attacks all go around the Lizard motif (spitting acidic venom, sliding across floors, using slime, his tongue and invisability to destroy his foes) and his name was given due to the fact he had a green outfit. It makes sense for him to dress like he's not human, because he's not!
This "hate Reptile when he's not in human form" brigade tires me. I've been a Reptile fan since he first appeared in the Pit many moons ago, and to be honest, no matter what costume he wears I'll like the character (though MK9 done nothing to help that out either).
If anything, I'd like him more if he did become more primitive and feral, I'd love to see a heartbroken, deranged and psychotic Reptile completely lose his mind and become a threat to the very people who stepped on him for years. He was finally starting to become that in Deadly Alliance, which was why I loved the change in appearance, it reflected how abused and neglected he was over the years that he'd ultimately lose what little sanity he had left in him and regressed into something more primitive. It said a lot more about his character than his human appearances ever have.
Point missed.
Reptile was never supposed to be Human, but just to LOOK like a Human.
That's why in MK2 he used a human disguise.
I still want Reptile to be a reptilian creature, but not a silly "copy & paste" lizard-man or a green skilled man with steel diapers.
I just want him to look like a human ninja (Lin Kuei-ish was just an adjective I've used to describe his attire, but I want him out from the entire Lin Kuei thing) with a secretive reptilian appearance.
It adds mystery to the character, some sort of double nature a la "Bella e la Bestia".
lastfighter89 Wrote:
Point missed.
Reptile was never supposed to be Human, but just to LOOK like a Human.
That's why in MK2 he used a human disguise.
I still want Reptile to be a reptilian creature, but not a silly "copy & paste" lizard-man or a green skilled man with steel diapers.
I just want him to look like a human ninja (Lin Kuei-ish was just an adjective I've used to describe his attire, but I want him out from the entire Lin Kuei thing) with a secretive reptilian appearance.
It adds mystery to the character, some sort of double nature a la "Bella e la Bestia".
NoobSaibot5 Wrote:
But why would you want Reptile to look like he's similar to a Lin Kuei? He's not even from Earthrealm, to dress anything like a clan of secretive ninjas would be far beyond coincidental.
Look, each ninja character has a gimmick.
Scorpion, he's Hellspawn (all of his attire and armour from MK4 onwards has gone with the Hell Motif, bar his Deception Primary).
Ermac, he's the Mystic (again, since his re-introduction in Deception he's been Arabian styled sorcerer with gemstones and flowing fabrics on his outfit)
Noob, he's got the Shadow style going for him (everything from leather outfits, to hooded ninja suits, he's taken hints of S&M and hints of Gothic and ran with it)
Rain, he's got the Royalty vibe. His armour in the last two games he's appeared in all have strong visual references to the fact he's of Royal lineage with the golden outlines, strong purples and decorative tunics)
For Sub-Zero and Smoke, both had outfits that contrasted in style in MK9 (not even looking anything remotely like Sektor and Cyrax's human clothes), so the only logical answer I can think of to that is that warriors of their respective ranks are to wear outfits of the same motif depending on their mission. In this case, Smoke and Sub-Zero wore armoured ninja costumes in their adventures in Outworld, whilst Cyrax and Sektor went with more traditional, lighter uniforms when they competed in Shang Tsung's tournament. Regardless, they're uniform is supposedly well known, as Kitana recognised Smoke was from the Lin Kuei upon first glance.
With Reptile, he's a god damn Reptile. His attacks all go around the Lizard motif (spitting acidic venom, sliding across floors, using slime, his tongue and invisability to destroy his foes) and his name was given due to the fact he had a green outfit. It makes sense for him to dress like he's not human, because he's not!
This "hate Reptile when he's not in human form" brigade tires me. I've been a Reptile fan since he first appeared in the Pit many moons ago, and to be honest, no matter what costume he wears I'll like the character (though MK9 done nothing to help that out either).
If anything, I'd like him more if he did become more primitive and feral, I'd love to see a heartbroken, deranged and psychotic Reptile completely lose his mind and become a threat to the very people who stepped on him for years. He was finally starting to become that in Deadly Alliance, which was why I loved the change in appearance, it reflected how abused and neglected he was over the years that he'd ultimately lose what little sanity he had left in him and regressed into something more primitive. It said a lot more about his character than his human appearances ever have.
But why would you want Reptile to look like he's similar to a Lin Kuei? He's not even from Earthrealm, to dress anything like a clan of secretive ninjas would be far beyond coincidental.
Look, each ninja character has a gimmick.
Scorpion, he's Hellspawn (all of his attire and armour from MK4 onwards has gone with the Hell Motif, bar his Deception Primary).
Ermac, he's the Mystic (again, since his re-introduction in Deception he's been Arabian styled sorcerer with gemstones and flowing fabrics on his outfit)
Noob, he's got the Shadow style going for him (everything from leather outfits, to hooded ninja suits, he's taken hints of S&M and hints of Gothic and ran with it)
Rain, he's got the Royalty vibe. His armour in the last two games he's appeared in all have strong visual references to the fact he's of Royal lineage with the golden outlines, strong purples and decorative tunics)
For Sub-Zero and Smoke, both had outfits that contrasted in style in MK9 (not even looking anything remotely like Sektor and Cyrax's human clothes), so the only logical answer I can think of to that is that warriors of their respective ranks are to wear outfits of the same motif depending on their mission. In this case, Smoke and Sub-Zero wore armoured ninja costumes in their adventures in Outworld, whilst Cyrax and Sektor went with more traditional, lighter uniforms when they competed in Shang Tsung's tournament. Regardless, they're uniform is supposedly well known, as Kitana recognised Smoke was from the Lin Kuei upon first glance.
With Reptile, he's a god damn Reptile. His attacks all go around the Lizard motif (spitting acidic venom, sliding across floors, using slime, his tongue and invisability to destroy his foes) and his name was given due to the fact he had a green outfit. It makes sense for him to dress like he's not human, because he's not!
This "hate Reptile when he's not in human form" brigade tires me. I've been a Reptile fan since he first appeared in the Pit many moons ago, and to be honest, no matter what costume he wears I'll like the character (though MK9 done nothing to help that out either).
If anything, I'd like him more if he did become more primitive and feral, I'd love to see a heartbroken, deranged and psychotic Reptile completely lose his mind and become a threat to the very people who stepped on him for years. He was finally starting to become that in Deadly Alliance, which was why I loved the change in appearance, it reflected how abused and neglected he was over the years that he'd ultimately lose what little sanity he had left in him and regressed into something more primitive. It said a lot more about his character than his human appearances ever have.
Point missed.
Reptile was never supposed to be Human, but just to LOOK like a Human.
That's why in MK2 he used a human disguise.
I still want Reptile to be a reptilian creature, but not a silly "copy & paste" lizard-man or a green skilled man with steel diapers.
I just want him to look like a human ninja (Lin Kuei-ish was just an adjective I've used to describe his attire, but I want him out from the entire Lin Kuei thing) with a secretive reptilian appearance.
It adds mystery to the character, some sort of double nature a la "Bella e la Bestia".
So... basically like his alternate in Shaolin Monk. Had a human look, but still had a reptilian feature.
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Icebaby Wrote:
So... basically like his alternate in Shaolin Monk. Had a human look, but still had a reptilian feature.
lastfighter89 Wrote:
Point missed.
Reptile was never supposed to be Human, but just to LOOK like a Human.
That's why in MK2 he used a human disguise.
I still want Reptile to be a reptilian creature, but not a silly "copy & paste" lizard-man or a green skilled man with steel diapers.
I just want him to look like a human ninja (Lin Kuei-ish was just an adjective I've used to describe his attire, but I want him out from the entire Lin Kuei thing) with a secretive reptilian appearance.
It adds mystery to the character, some sort of double nature a la "Bella e la Bestia".
NoobSaibot5 Wrote:
But why would you want Reptile to look like he's similar to a Lin Kuei? He's not even from Earthrealm, to dress anything like a clan of secretive ninjas would be far beyond coincidental.
Look, each ninja character has a gimmick.
Scorpion, he's Hellspawn (all of his attire and armour from MK4 onwards has gone with the Hell Motif, bar his Deception Primary).
Ermac, he's the Mystic (again, since his re-introduction in Deception he's been Arabian styled sorcerer with gemstones and flowing fabrics on his outfit)
Noob, he's got the Shadow style going for him (everything from leather outfits, to hooded ninja suits, he's taken hints of S&M and hints of Gothic and ran with it)
Rain, he's got the Royalty vibe. His armour in the last two games he's appeared in all have strong visual references to the fact he's of Royal lineage with the golden outlines, strong purples and decorative tunics)
For Sub-Zero and Smoke, both had outfits that contrasted in style in MK9 (not even looking anything remotely like Sektor and Cyrax's human clothes), so the only logical answer I can think of to that is that warriors of their respective ranks are to wear outfits of the same motif depending on their mission. In this case, Smoke and Sub-Zero wore armoured ninja costumes in their adventures in Outworld, whilst Cyrax and Sektor went with more traditional, lighter uniforms when they competed in Shang Tsung's tournament. Regardless, they're uniform is supposedly well known, as Kitana recognised Smoke was from the Lin Kuei upon first glance.
With Reptile, he's a god damn Reptile. His attacks all go around the Lizard motif (spitting acidic venom, sliding across floors, using slime, his tongue and invisability to destroy his foes) and his name was given due to the fact he had a green outfit. It makes sense for him to dress like he's not human, because he's not!
This "hate Reptile when he's not in human form" brigade tires me. I've been a Reptile fan since he first appeared in the Pit many moons ago, and to be honest, no matter what costume he wears I'll like the character (though MK9 done nothing to help that out either).
If anything, I'd like him more if he did become more primitive and feral, I'd love to see a heartbroken, deranged and psychotic Reptile completely lose his mind and become a threat to the very people who stepped on him for years. He was finally starting to become that in Deadly Alliance, which was why I loved the change in appearance, it reflected how abused and neglected he was over the years that he'd ultimately lose what little sanity he had left in him and regressed into something more primitive. It said a lot more about his character than his human appearances ever have.
But why would you want Reptile to look like he's similar to a Lin Kuei? He's not even from Earthrealm, to dress anything like a clan of secretive ninjas would be far beyond coincidental.
Look, each ninja character has a gimmick.
Scorpion, he's Hellspawn (all of his attire and armour from MK4 onwards has gone with the Hell Motif, bar his Deception Primary).
Ermac, he's the Mystic (again, since his re-introduction in Deception he's been Arabian styled sorcerer with gemstones and flowing fabrics on his outfit)
Noob, he's got the Shadow style going for him (everything from leather outfits, to hooded ninja suits, he's taken hints of S&M and hints of Gothic and ran with it)
Rain, he's got the Royalty vibe. His armour in the last two games he's appeared in all have strong visual references to the fact he's of Royal lineage with the golden outlines, strong purples and decorative tunics)
For Sub-Zero and Smoke, both had outfits that contrasted in style in MK9 (not even looking anything remotely like Sektor and Cyrax's human clothes), so the only logical answer I can think of to that is that warriors of their respective ranks are to wear outfits of the same motif depending on their mission. In this case, Smoke and Sub-Zero wore armoured ninja costumes in their adventures in Outworld, whilst Cyrax and Sektor went with more traditional, lighter uniforms when they competed in Shang Tsung's tournament. Regardless, they're uniform is supposedly well known, as Kitana recognised Smoke was from the Lin Kuei upon first glance.
With Reptile, he's a god damn Reptile. His attacks all go around the Lizard motif (spitting acidic venom, sliding across floors, using slime, his tongue and invisability to destroy his foes) and his name was given due to the fact he had a green outfit. It makes sense for him to dress like he's not human, because he's not!
This "hate Reptile when he's not in human form" brigade tires me. I've been a Reptile fan since he first appeared in the Pit many moons ago, and to be honest, no matter what costume he wears I'll like the character (though MK9 done nothing to help that out either).
If anything, I'd like him more if he did become more primitive and feral, I'd love to see a heartbroken, deranged and psychotic Reptile completely lose his mind and become a threat to the very people who stepped on him for years. He was finally starting to become that in Deadly Alliance, which was why I loved the change in appearance, it reflected how abused and neglected he was over the years that he'd ultimately lose what little sanity he had left in him and regressed into something more primitive. It said a lot more about his character than his human appearances ever have.
Point missed.
Reptile was never supposed to be Human, but just to LOOK like a Human.
That's why in MK2 he used a human disguise.
I still want Reptile to be a reptilian creature, but not a silly "copy & paste" lizard-man or a green skilled man with steel diapers.
I just want him to look like a human ninja (Lin Kuei-ish was just an adjective I've used to describe his attire, but I want him out from the entire Lin Kuei thing) with a secretive reptilian appearance.
It adds mystery to the character, some sort of double nature a la "Bella e la Bestia".
So... basically like his alternate in Shaolin Monk. Had a human look, but still had a reptilian feature.
No, it was a reptilian skin with a pinkish tone that I've never understood.
What I want is a human-looking ninja that removes his mask while spitting acid or has slightly reptilian features, like the third attire from MK4, based on his normal appearance but with the UMK3 ninja attire.
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I really like Reptile's new look. The only problem I had with it was the black waist shirt thingy without any top or sleeves. It didn't look good nor did it serve any purpose I could see. The costume looked good in all other respects. I thought the chest plate was tight.
I had no clue the MK4 design was so popular. I have never been a fan of it.
I had no clue the MK4 design was so popular. I have never been a fan of it.
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
No, it was a reptilian skin with a pinkish tone that I've never understood.
No, it was a reptilian skin with a pinkish tone that I've never understood.
Chameleon powers, man.
Changing the color of his scales makes way more sense than...what, how do you explain the disguise otherwise? He skinned a man and wears it like the villain in Men in Black? How come it never looks rotting or damaged? Shouldn't it be all stitched up and gross if he's wearing stolen flesh? And where would he get shoes in his size, anyway? The giant three-clawed feet are gonna give him away regardless of what he does.
And here's the other thing, having a disguise AT ALL no longer works once all the Earth fighters have SEEN his reptilian self. The mystery has already been solved. So the disguise can work in MK1 and 2, maybe even 3. But we're now PAST that point in the timeline. A disguise in MK10 won't make sense when he already showed his true self all throughout MK9.
On an unrelated note, even though Icebaby, as usual, took me posting story info as some kind of personal insult when it wasn't like that, I do hope there are other people in this thread who didn't know about the Raptor backstory and found it interesting. I was always rather intrigued by the fact that they're originally from Earthrealm and was just hoping to spark some discussion.
I'm sure Reptile doesn't know, since it looks like he doesn't know much of anything about his people except what he'd been told by Khameleon in 3 and Nitara in DA. But you'd think it would've come up during MK4 since he was working for one of the guys who nearly extincted his species and doomed them to a world Kahn would conquer, while fighting against the other guy who was responsible. Like maybe Shinnok could've told him half the story, gone "Raiden did it" to get his allegiance.
I suppose it won't even come up in MK10 since they'll probably do "Shinnok's zombies vs. Outworld vs. Earth" and Reptile will be on Outworld's side...but it's something I'd like to see, I think it would add a little to Reptile's personality to have a decent grudge against another character rather than just kinda floating on the outskirts of every story with no personal stake. I dunno, maybe this is an opportunity for it to go the other way. Like, Earth and Outworld might have to join forces to stop Shinnok, at which point Raiden could try to form a more lasting peace with some of the Outworlders. In Reptile's case, explaining how Shinnok's attack fucked over the Raptors and be all like "Y'know, if you fight for us, I bet the Elder Gods could rez them" like he tried with Scorpion.
Granted, I still have a hard time picturing Reptile ever working with the good guys since he's a remorseless flesh-eating killer, but it's not like Reptile has the most consistent personality I guess...
On the other hand, maybe it'll never be mentioned again or retconned out, knowing this timeline...
Technically Reptile could join the forces of Lin Kuei and try to fit in with a more human-like appearance (similar to Smoke) when Netherrealm is about to invade the worlds. Lin Kuei is also evil but in MK-terms everything is good that attempts to separate or keep the realms separate thus Reptile and Lin Kuei would now be good for a while. It's funny how people often forget that the Earthrealm and Outworld baddies will probably ally with Raiden now ('cept their alliance will likely break as in the MK:A intro).
What comes to Reptile's steel diaper's story-wise reasoning: he could have it so that he wouldn't rape every other victim of his, brutally thinking.
On another etymology note: "Zaterra" comes partially from "Terra" that means "Earth" thus it would be Za-world. I never found out the meaning of "Za"... Hold it, now that I think of it, maybe it comes from "lizard". I'll settle with that! [Zaterra = lizard world] Sponsored by yours truly, Zmokey
What comes to Reptile's steel diaper's story-wise reasoning: he could have it so that he wouldn't rape every other victim of his, brutally thinking.
On another etymology note: "Zaterra" comes partially from "Terra" that means "Earth" thus it would be Za-world. I never found out the meaning of "Za"... Hold it, now that I think of it, maybe it comes from "lizard". I'll settle with that! [Zaterra = lizard world] Sponsored by yours truly, Zmokey
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I'm not sure the devs thought much about etymology when they gave Reptile's realm the name "Zaterra" because they're probably not the ones who came up with it.
"Zaterra" first appeared in an episode of Defenders of the Realm (albeit there, it was just a random world-of-the-week, no relation to the Raptors).
And unlike Quan Chi's first appearance, where he was only in the cartoon first because the episode just slightly beat Mythologies to release, the show was on years before the name was ascribed to Reptile's world for the first time, in Deadly Alliance.
As for the Lin Kuei...I actually imagine Sektor and the robogoons being more likely to side with the Netherealm or stay out of it altogether, pursuing their own agenda in the background.
"Zaterra" first appeared in an episode of Defenders of the Realm (albeit there, it was just a random world-of-the-week, no relation to the Raptors).
And unlike Quan Chi's first appearance, where he was only in the cartoon first because the episode just slightly beat Mythologies to release, the show was on years before the name was ascribed to Reptile's world for the first time, in Deadly Alliance.
As for the Lin Kuei...I actually imagine Sektor and the robogoons being more likely to side with the Netherealm or stay out of it altogether, pursuing their own agenda in the background.
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Chameleon powers, man.
Changing the color of his scales makes way more sense than...what, how do you explain the disguise otherwise? He skinned a man and wears it like the villain in Men in Black? How come it never looks rotting or damaged? Shouldn't it be all stitched up and gross if he's wearing stolen flesh? And where would he get shoes in his size, anyway? The giant three-clawed feet are gonna give him away regardless of what he does.
And here's the other thing, having a disguise AT ALL no longer works once all the Earth fighters have SEEN his reptilian self. The mystery has already been solved. So the disguise can work in MK1 and 2, maybe even 3. But we're now PAST that point in the timeline. A disguise in MK10 won't make sense when he already showed his true self all throughout MK9.
On an unrelated note, even though Icebaby, as usual, took me posting story info as some kind of personal insult when it wasn't like that, I do hope there are other people in this thread who didn't know about the Raptor backstory and found it interesting. I was always rather intrigued by the fact that they're originally from Earthrealm and was just hoping to spark some discussion.
I'm sure Reptile doesn't know, since it looks like he doesn't know much of anything about his people except what he'd been told by Khameleon in 3 and Nitara in DA. But you'd think it would've come up during MK4 since he was working for one of the guys who nearly extincted his species and doomed them to a world Kahn would conquer, while fighting against the other guy who was responsible. Like maybe Shinnok could've told him half the story, gone "Raiden did it" to get his allegiance.
I suppose it won't even come up in MK10 since they'll probably do "Shinnok's zombies vs. Outworld vs. Earth" and Reptile will be on Outworld's side...but it's something I'd like to see, I think it would add a little to Reptile's personality to have a decent grudge against another character rather than just kinda floating on the outskirts of every story with no personal stake. I dunno, maybe this is an opportunity for it to go the other way. Like, Earth and Outworld might have to join forces to stop Shinnok, at which point Raiden could try to form a more lasting peace with some of the Outworlders. In Reptile's case, explaining how Shinnok's attack fucked over the Raptors and be all like "Y'know, if you fight for us, I bet the Elder Gods could rez them" like he tried with Scorpion.
Granted, I still have a hard time picturing Reptile ever working with the good guys since he's a remorseless flesh-eating killer, but it's not like Reptile has the most consistent personality I guess...
On the other hand, maybe it'll never be mentioned again or retconned out, knowing this timeline...
lastfighter89 Wrote:
No, it was a reptilian skin with a pinkish tone that I've never understood.
No, it was a reptilian skin with a pinkish tone that I've never understood.
Chameleon powers, man.
Changing the color of his scales makes way more sense than...what, how do you explain the disguise otherwise? He skinned a man and wears it like the villain in Men in Black? How come it never looks rotting or damaged? Shouldn't it be all stitched up and gross if he's wearing stolen flesh? And where would he get shoes in his size, anyway? The giant three-clawed feet are gonna give him away regardless of what he does.
And here's the other thing, having a disguise AT ALL no longer works once all the Earth fighters have SEEN his reptilian self. The mystery has already been solved. So the disguise can work in MK1 and 2, maybe even 3. But we're now PAST that point in the timeline. A disguise in MK10 won't make sense when he already showed his true self all throughout MK9.
On an unrelated note, even though Icebaby, as usual, took me posting story info as some kind of personal insult when it wasn't like that, I do hope there are other people in this thread who didn't know about the Raptor backstory and found it interesting. I was always rather intrigued by the fact that they're originally from Earthrealm and was just hoping to spark some discussion.
I'm sure Reptile doesn't know, since it looks like he doesn't know much of anything about his people except what he'd been told by Khameleon in 3 and Nitara in DA. But you'd think it would've come up during MK4 since he was working for one of the guys who nearly extincted his species and doomed them to a world Kahn would conquer, while fighting against the other guy who was responsible. Like maybe Shinnok could've told him half the story, gone "Raiden did it" to get his allegiance.
I suppose it won't even come up in MK10 since they'll probably do "Shinnok's zombies vs. Outworld vs. Earth" and Reptile will be on Outworld's side...but it's something I'd like to see, I think it would add a little to Reptile's personality to have a decent grudge against another character rather than just kinda floating on the outskirts of every story with no personal stake. I dunno, maybe this is an opportunity for it to go the other way. Like, Earth and Outworld might have to join forces to stop Shinnok, at which point Raiden could try to form a more lasting peace with some of the Outworlders. In Reptile's case, explaining how Shinnok's attack fucked over the Raptors and be all like "Y'know, if you fight for us, I bet the Elder Gods could rez them" like he tried with Scorpion.
Granted, I still have a hard time picturing Reptile ever working with the good guys since he's a remorseless flesh-eating killer, but it's not like Reptile has the most consistent personality I guess...
On the other hand, maybe it'll never be mentioned again or retconned out, knowing this timeline...
What a huge disappointment from you, Mr- I-know-it-all (not offensive meaning, just kidding).
It is stated in MK:DA and MK:A ending that Reptile lost the ability to "look" human after he spent so many years away from the rest of his race.
In other words, the Raptors have the power to look like humans, they do not need to strip human flesh, wearing a mask or something like that.
From what I've understood they (Reptile and the raptors) were able to "create" some kind of human-looking skin on their own.
BTW, the new look of MK9, a reptilian since the beginning, totally erases one of the most important side-stories of Reptile: his devolution.
DO not forget that Reptile was supposed to be a fierce and strong warrior in MK2 (look at his non-canon ending), but starting from MK4/Gold he became an idiot (Killed in his own ending in MK4, acting like a brainless moron when he "needed" a new master in MKDA, confused about genetically modified Red Dragons in MK:A, etc ).
Honestly I'd take the human-looking Reptile, with a spark of smartness rather than stupid lizard "Shang Tsung's bitch" version.
I agree with the idiot part and MK2011 made him even look worse... i already mentioned it.
In the first tournament he was a hidden fighter and was called strong... in the new timeline he begins the tournament and is losing right on the spot... And as all villians he never once looks good... Hell he and Ermac even lost against Stryker...
Fighting wise he for sure is still at the top for me... But seriously NRS you should give the baddies some time of shining and personality as well...
Don't even start with the fact that Sub zero was able to beat Goro + Kintaro in story mode...
In the first tournament he was a hidden fighter and was called strong... in the new timeline he begins the tournament and is losing right on the spot... And as all villians he never once looks good... Hell he and Ermac even lost against Stryker...
Fighting wise he for sure is still at the top for me... But seriously NRS you should give the baddies some time of shining and personality as well...
Don't even start with the fact that Sub zero was able to beat Goro + Kintaro in story mode...
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I'm not sure the devs thought much about etymology when they gave Reptile's realm the name "Zaterra" because they're probably not the ones who came up with it.
"Zaterra" first appeared in an episode of Defenders of the Realm (albeit there, it was just a random world-of-the-week, no relation to the Raptors).
And unlike Quan Chi's first appearance, where he was only in the cartoon first because the episode just slightly beat Mythologies to release, the show was on years before the name was ascribed to Reptile's world for the first time, in Deadly Alliance.
As for the Lin Kuei...I actually imagine Sektor and the robogoons being more likely to side with the Netherealm or stay out of it altogether, pursuing their own agenda in the background.
I'm not sure the devs thought much about etymology when they gave Reptile's realm the name "Zaterra" because they're probably not the ones who came up with it.
"Zaterra" first appeared in an episode of Defenders of the Realm (albeit there, it was just a random world-of-the-week, no relation to the Raptors).
And unlike Quan Chi's first appearance, where he was only in the cartoon first because the episode just slightly beat Mythologies to release, the show was on years before the name was ascribed to Reptile's world for the first time, in Deadly Alliance.
As for the Lin Kuei...I actually imagine Sektor and the robogoons being more likely to side with the Netherealm or stay out of it altogether, pursuing their own agenda in the background.
It would be good to know how deeply did the game developers and the DotR writers collaborate and how did the devs instruct them. Wiktionary's foremost definitions for "zat" and "za" were "that/plenty" and "pizza". I would prefer the former definitions but even then there's not much substance. Maybe it was closed early that Zaterra would become this second world?
It is possible that Lin Kuei and Red Dragon will stay out of Raiden's problems but ultimately they will have to face the facts and pick sides. In MK9 Sektor promised alliance to Shao Kahn and it's possible that Lin Kuei will continue their partnership with good ole Outworld instead of joining the dead hell ninjas they despise; as shown in Scorpion's chapter of MK9.
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
In other words, the Raptors have the power to look like humans, they do not need to strip human flesh, wearing a mask or something like that.
In other words, the Raptors have the power to look like humans, they do not need to strip human flesh, wearing a mask or something like that.
Dude, a mask is exactly what it was in MK2 and 3. You can SEE that Reptile peels off a fake face, showing his real reptilian appearance, every time he spits acid and does his fatalities, just like Scorpion does when he does the Toasty.
Everyone knows that.
That said, if the Shaolin Monks P2 costume had been canon, the whole chameleon skin-color trick thing would have been a smart retcon IMO because it would be within the realm of Reptile's actual powers. The character's already a master of stealth and invisibility whose powers derive from his chameleon-like skin. If he has an inborn ability to disguise himself, he shouldn't need to go outside the grasp of that power to disguise himself, that would just be silly.
Besides, a human-skin-suit would have to look rotten and sewn-up if it were rendered realistically in modern graphics and it wouldn't really fit Reptile's character concept to look kinda like some kind of saggy zombie or Leatherface or something. Maybe it would fit in a version of MK with a Tancharoen-style "gritty horror" look to it, but not in the normal MK canon with the baseline Midway/NRS artstyle.
Zmoke Wrote:
It would be good to know how deeply did the game developers and the DotR writers collaborate and how did the devs instruct them.
It would be good to know how deeply did the game developers and the DotR writers collaborate and how did the devs instruct them.
Well we know Ed and John consulted on the first movie, but they've said that most of the time, they had little to no input on the licensed stuff made in the 90's.
Tobias probably helped Threshold make some kind of "series bible"-type document for the film, that the Journey Begins, Conquest, and DotR guys probably got to look at later on. That would be the extent of it, I imagine.
And maybe such a document would mention Zaterra...the problem with that theory is, the first game to use the name Zaterra was in the Vogel era. It never came up in the games while Tobias was still with Midway, and DotR was on-air between MK3 and Mythologies/MK4.
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Dude, a mask is exactly what it was in MK2 and 3. You can SEE that Reptile peels off a fake face, showing his real reptilian appearance, every time he spits acid and does his fatalities, just like Scorpion does when he does the Toasty.
Everyone knows that.
That said, if the Shaolin Monks P2 costume had been canon, the whole chameleon skin-color trick thing would have been a smart retcon IMO because it would be within the realm of Reptile's actual powers. The character's already a master of stealth and invisibility whose powers derive from his chameleon-like skin. If he has an inborn ability to disguise himself, he shouldn't need to go outside the grasp of that power to disguise himself, that would just be silly.
Besides, a human-skin-suit would have to look rotten and sewn-up if it were rendered realistically in modern graphics and it wouldn't really fit Reptile's character concept to look kinda like some kind of saggy zombie or Leatherface or something. Maybe it would fit in a version of MK with a Tancharoen-style "gritty horror" look to it, but not in the normal MK canon with the baseline Midway/NRS artstyle.
Well we know Ed and John consulted on the first movie, but they've said that most of the time, they had little to no input on the licensed stuff made in the 90's.
Tobias probably helped Threshold make some kind of "series bible"-type document for the film, that the Journey Begins, Conquest, and DotR guys probably got to look at later on. That would be the extent of it, I imagine.
And maybe such a document would mention Zaterra...the problem with that theory is, the first game to use the name Zaterra was in the Vogel era. It never came up in the games while Tobias was still with Midway, and DotR was on-air between MK3 and Mythologies/MK4.
lastfighter89 Wrote:
In other words, the Raptors have the power to look like humans, they do not need to strip human flesh, wearing a mask or something like that.
In other words, the Raptors have the power to look like humans, they do not need to strip human flesh, wearing a mask or something like that.
Dude, a mask is exactly what it was in MK2 and 3. You can SEE that Reptile peels off a fake face, showing his real reptilian appearance, every time he spits acid and does his fatalities, just like Scorpion does when he does the Toasty.
Everyone knows that.
That said, if the Shaolin Monks P2 costume had been canon, the whole chameleon skin-color trick thing would have been a smart retcon IMO because it would be within the realm of Reptile's actual powers. The character's already a master of stealth and invisibility whose powers derive from his chameleon-like skin. If he has an inborn ability to disguise himself, he shouldn't need to go outside the grasp of that power to disguise himself, that would just be silly.
Besides, a human-skin-suit would have to look rotten and sewn-up if it were rendered realistically in modern graphics and it wouldn't really fit Reptile's character concept to look kinda like some kind of saggy zombie or Leatherface or something. Maybe it would fit in a version of MK with a Tancharoen-style "gritty horror" look to it, but not in the normal MK canon with the baseline Midway/NRS artstyle.
Zmoke Wrote:
It would be good to know how deeply did the game developers and the DotR writers collaborate and how did the devs instruct them.
It would be good to know how deeply did the game developers and the DotR writers collaborate and how did the devs instruct them.
Well we know Ed and John consulted on the first movie, but they've said that most of the time, they had little to no input on the licensed stuff made in the 90's.
Tobias probably helped Threshold make some kind of "series bible"-type document for the film, that the Journey Begins, Conquest, and DotR guys probably got to look at later on. That would be the extent of it, I imagine.
And maybe such a document would mention Zaterra...the problem with that theory is, the first game to use the name Zaterra was in the Vogel era. It never came up in the games while Tobias was still with Midway, and DotR was on-air between MK3 and Mythologies/MK4.
Again, in MK:DA and MK:A is mentioned that Raptors have the power to look like human, but they loss this power if the matriarch and the rest of the species is gone.
In other words, Reptile can create a human skin and disguise himself.
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
Again, in MK:DA and MK:A is mentioned that Raptors have the power to look like human, but they loss this power if the matriarch and the rest of the species is gone.
Again, in MK:DA and MK:A is mentioned that Raptors have the power to look like human, but they loss this power if the matriarch and the rest of the species is gone.
No it's not.
It's said that without contact with the Matriarch, Reptile is devolving from the way he usually looks to the form with the tail from MKDA. "The way Reptile usually looks" being what you see when his mask is off or what he looks like in MK4/Shaolin Monks/MK9.
Nothing has EVER been said that their fully evolved form has the power to look perfectly human. That was always canonically a disguise and they never explained in text HOW the disguise worked, but sharing the "peeling off his face" animation with Scorpion in the original games makes it pretty clear how it works.
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I view it as how in MKC tv series how the Raptors have limited shape shifting abilities. Raptor or Human.
lastfighter89 Wrote:
No, it was a reptilian skin with a pinkish tone that I've never understood.
What I want is a human-looking ninja that removes his mask while spitting acid or has slightly reptilian features, like the third attire from MK4, based on his normal appearance but with the UMK3 ninja attire.
No, it was a reptilian skin with a pinkish tone that I've never understood.
What I want is a human-looking ninja that removes his mask while spitting acid or has slightly reptilian features, like the third attire from MK4, based on his normal appearance but with the UMK3 ninja attire.
Ahh, well that I would like to see again. Besides the primary look he had for the game, the third alternate was another favorite look. Something that doesn't read dinosaur, more lizard-like, more of a cooler look, and something that just isn't some weak looking creature.
I will continue to complain about his Deadly Alliance look. I hated that goddamn tail. Pissed off more that it didn't do anything move-wise.
Anyways, I get why his primary look in the fourth doesn't look that great towards others. It's why temp even wrote how he was surprised as how much the appearance is actually popular than what he thought. But it truly spoke Reptile to me and THAT'S the look he should continue to have.
His 2011 appearance was okay, although his face without the mask on it... Ehh, I've seen better. It looked okay, but I thought they could have done a better job designing it.
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
No it's not.
It's said that without contact with the Matriarch, Reptile is devolving from the way he usually looks to the form with the tail from MKDA. "The way Reptile usually looks" being what you see when his mask is off or what he looks like in MK4/Shaolin Monks/MK9.
Nothing has EVER been said that their fully evolved form has the power to look perfectly human. That was always canonically a disguise and they never explained in text HOW the disguise worked, but sharing the "peeling off his face" animation with Scorpion in the original games makes it pretty clear how it works.
lastfighter89 Wrote:
Again, in MK:DA and MK:A is mentioned that Raptors have the power to look like human, but they loss this power if the matriarch and the rest of the species is gone.
Again, in MK:DA and MK:A is mentioned that Raptors have the power to look like human, but they loss this power if the matriarch and the rest of the species is gone.
No it's not.
It's said that without contact with the Matriarch, Reptile is devolving from the way he usually looks to the form with the tail from MKDA. "The way Reptile usually looks" being what you see when his mask is off or what he looks like in MK4/Shaolin Monks/MK9.
Nothing has EVER been said that their fully evolved form has the power to look perfectly human. That was always canonically a disguise and they never explained in text HOW the disguise worked, but sharing the "peeling off his face" animation with Scorpion in the original games makes it pretty clear how it works.
Well, Using logic you cannot disguise as a human if you got a long tail on your back.
So he needs his matriarch in order to "look" human (btw, I've never said he is able to become human, just look like one, so I guess he could create a mask or something like this).
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
Well, Using logic you cannot disguise as a human if you got a long tail on your back.
So he needs his matriarch in order to "look" human (btw, I've never said he is able to become human, just look like one, so I guess he could create a mask or something like this).
Well, Using logic you cannot disguise as a human if you got a long tail on your back.
So he needs his matriarch in order to "look" human (btw, I've never said he is able to become human, just look like one, so I guess he could create a mask or something like this).
He doesn't have a tail normally. That's what devolution means, his body mutated in Deadly Alliance to a more primitive form of his species from the ancient past. Like if a human being changed into an ape, that would be devolution.
But he took off the disguise for the first time in MK4, BEFORE the mutating started. He took it off because he didn't need it anymore, everybody already knew what he looked like under the mask so he just decided to show his true form all the time.
It was rather obscure that Reptile was in his MK:SM form (story-wise MK4) in MK:A. I'm not certain whether or not the new timeline has a consistent devolution seeing Reptile was a humanoid at no point of the story mode – just in his alternative costume – unless his Outworld past became longer (in contrast to Mileena's past). Reptile's MK:A ending suggests that the matriarch (i.e. the female ruler) was buried in Edenia – instead of Earth? – and could theoretically be resurrected though that might never happen.
I only found a Spanish version of the Zaterra episode of DotR but Quan Chi summoned a big snake in the end of it which could possibly have a connection to the naming of the realm in this episode. Your proposal is possible as well as the chance that the DotR devs had planned a future for the realm's usage. Maybe Johnny Toby would give an answer for that seeing his Twitter feed is probably a lot less spammed than Ed Boon's.
I just checked that Zaterra (with Saurians) was also shown in Mortal Kombat: Conquest that aired a year before John Tobias's departure.
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And maybe such a document would mention Zaterra...the problem with that theory is, the first game to use the name Zaterra was in the Vogel era. It never came up in the games while Tobias was still with Midway, and DotR was on-air between MK3 and Mythologies/MK4.
And maybe such a document would mention Zaterra...the problem with that theory is, the first game to use the name Zaterra was in the Vogel era. It never came up in the games while Tobias was still with Midway, and DotR was on-air between MK3 and Mythologies/MK4.
I only found a Spanish version of the Zaterra episode of DotR but Quan Chi summoned a big snake in the end of it which could possibly have a connection to the naming of the realm in this episode. Your proposal is possible as well as the chance that the DotR devs had planned a future for the realm's usage. Maybe Johnny Toby would give an answer for that seeing his Twitter feed is probably a lot less spammed than Ed Boon's.
I just checked that Zaterra (with Saurians) was also shown in Mortal Kombat: Conquest that aired a year before John Tobias's departure.
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Zmoke Wrote:
I'm not certain whether or not the new timeline has a consistent devolution seeing Reptile was a humanoid at no point of the story mode – just in his alternative costume
I'm not certain whether or not the new timeline has a consistent devolution seeing Reptile was a humanoid at no point of the story mode – just in his alternative costume
Again, all MK9 did is retcon out the disguise. The way he looks in MK4, MKSM, and MK9 is the way his species has always looked naturally, underneath the human ninja costume he wore in MK1 thru 3. (Except of course for having only 3 fingers in MK4.) That's their true form when there's no devolution involved.
And just for the record, the word "humanoid" isn't interchangeable with the word "human". He IS humanoid in MK9, because his body is human-like in shape and he walks bipedal.
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but Quan Chi summoned a big snake in the end of it which could possibly have a connection to the naming of the realm
but Quan Chi summoned a big snake in the end of it which could possibly have a connection to the naming of the realm
That whole episode shows Quan Chi having the snake as some sort of wizard's familiar that turns into his belt and into a staff and stuff like that. The snake has no connection to Zaterra, which is just a dead, barren realm he travels to, to acquire the magic gem he uses to mess with the heroes.
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I just checked that Zaterra (with Saurians) was also shown in Mortal Kombat: Conquest that aired a year before John Tobias's departure.
I just checked that Zaterra (with Saurians) was also shown in Mortal Kombat: Conquest that aired a year before John Tobias's departure.
Where'd you check, the MK wikia? Because I read that there too, but I don't recall the word "Zaterra" ever actually being spoken in any of those episodes where it shows Reptile's people's home, and we all know how inaccurate that site can be. Someone could have posted in the article that their swamp was "Zaterra" as an assumption, because that's what it's now called in the games, not because it was spoken in the show.
But I'm in the midst of reacquiring Conquest so at some point this week I'll watch and see for myself if they say it on the show or not.
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I think they should give Reptile a tribal look, if that makes sense. His costume should be simple I think. Personally I'de ditch the mask and ninja gear because I dont think it makes sense for him to hide his face. Story wise he's the last of his kind so he should take pride in that. Look wise I would beef him up a little bit to make him look powerful. He would look close to his MK4 look but without the black mask on his face. Clothing wise I would probably have him shirtless with tribal looking wraps on parts of his arms and hands. Sand colored tattered pants covering his legs and barefoot for his bottom half.
Story line wise he would no longer be some underling. He would fight for the honor and to preserve his race at any cost. Reptile is unique being the last of his kind so his look and story should reflect that. I think a storyline between him and Baraka would be cool, a race vs race type thing.
His fighting style should be animalistic. Less martial arts and more "Im trying to tear you apart piece by piece"
Story line wise he would no longer be some underling. He would fight for the honor and to preserve his race at any cost. Reptile is unique being the last of his kind so his look and story should reflect that. I think a storyline between him and Baraka would be cool, a race vs race type thing.
His fighting style should be animalistic. Less martial arts and more "Im trying to tear you apart piece by piece"
Wellin defense of NRS, they wanted to bring the series back to life and they kinda did the right job with most of the characters. The costumes do resemble the original creative ideas in many ways, but for me, I think the should have gone for a more creative take.
Many of the pre-final renders in the artbook beats the ones they ended up picking.
As for Reptile, his MK4 is actually my favorite and the first to jump to my mind when I think of him. SM's one is so close at the 2nd place. MK9's wasn't bad and I really loved the mask.
Many of the pre-final renders in the artbook beats the ones they ended up picking.
As for Reptile, his MK4 is actually my favorite and the first to jump to my mind when I think of him. SM's one is so close at the 2nd place. MK9's wasn't bad and I really loved the mask.
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IceDragon248 Wrote:
Personally I'de ditch the mask and ninja gear because I dont think it makes sense for him to hide his face.
Personally I'de ditch the mask and ninja gear because I dont think it makes sense for him to hide his face.
It used to make sense, back when his job description was "bodyguard" and being a master of stealth was important to the whole "Don't let your boss's enemies know you're there so you can stop them when they try to jump him" thing.
Anyway...I kinda doubt a race war between him and Baraka would be a good idea since it'd be several hundred Tarkatans vs. one lone Raptor.
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
It used to make sense, back when his job description was "bodyguard" and being a master of stealth was important to the whole "Don't let your boss's enemies know you're there so you can stop them when they try to jump him" thing.
Anyway...I kinda doubt a race war between him and Baraka would be a good idea since it'd be several hundred Tarkatans vs. one lone Raptor.
IceDragon248 Wrote:
Personally I'de ditch the mask and ninja gear because I dont think it makes sense for him to hide his face.
Personally I'de ditch the mask and ninja gear because I dont think it makes sense for him to hide his face.
It used to make sense, back when his job description was "bodyguard" and being a master of stealth was important to the whole "Don't let your boss's enemies know you're there so you can stop them when they try to jump him" thing.
Anyway...I kinda doubt a race war between him and Baraka would be a good idea since it'd be several hundred Tarkatans vs. one lone Raptor.
Yeah back in the 2d days it made sense...well kind of it did. Realistically he could just go invisible still rendering his mask pointless. Tbh I would remove the ninja look for most of the characters, Scorpion is probably the only one I would leave with the ninja look. Look at what they did with Ermac, his new look is way better then him just looking like a ninja with a different colored mask. Sub-Zero's MK3 costume has always been my favorite so I think his ninja look is a step backwards and Noob/Smoke/Rain could all have their looks moved away from the ninja look, anyway im rambling.
That came out wrong I didnt mean race war I was more thinking Baraka trying to kill off Reptile to prove his races superiority and Reptile defending his race at all costs.
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