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01/18/2015 07:08 AM (UTC)
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Not that many characters have died in the past. More so when you consider Tobias era. If your talking about the current team of writers , then yes. When John Tobias was handling the storyline, Mileena died twice, pre MK3 and pre MK4. Johnny Cage only died once, pre MK3. The original Sub-Zero died and came back once (NOT as Noob Sabiot). Also, John Tobias did a better job at making their deaths mean something. Heck, he is the better writer for the series. The current team, have handled the deaths of characters as if it were a joke. The number of times John Tobias's has killed characters from MK1 to MK4 are four.

Under this current team, far more characters have died only to come back in the next game. Liu Kang in MK Deadly Alliance. Shao Khan didn't die because the Deadly Alliance killed a clone. Sonya, Jax, Kitana, Cage, and Shang Tsung died , pre MK Deception. The current writing team have killed 15 characters not counting Armageddon, which killed off pretty much everyone.

Even in the reboot of 2011, far more characters have died when compared to Tobias run. Smoke, Jax, Nightwoft, Cyber Sub-Zero, Sindel , Stryker, Liu Kang, Kung Lao, and Jade. The current writing team have killed around 75 characters by the end of MK 2011 if you count everyone since Deadly Alliance.

Comparing death from the Tobias era and the current writers era ,are two different things. Tobias used death to progress the story of character(s), the other team has been using death as shock value.


MK 2011's " plot twists" were nothing more than pointless retcons. These twists only really appeal to the casuals who knew nothing about the series, or never payed any attention to the story, or people who never cared in the first place. Not to mention, more than half the cast were dumbed down to the point of character assassination. Most of the cast including the good guys were unlikeable. These retcons have taken away a large part of who these are.
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01/18/2015 07:18 AM (UTC)
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I don't know why... after like, 20ish years and 10 games... people still feel the need to quibble about the how and why of dead characters coming back to life in Mortal Kombat...

Fun Fact: Nearly every single character in this franchise, except one by my eye, has in point of fact... DIED at least once.

"What? No they haven't!? When!?"

Well several of them have had one-off deaths at various points throughout the series, but lest we all forget EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM DIED, except for Kahn and Raiden at the end of Armageddon/Beginning of MK9...

And Kahn and Raiden have both been dead at least once before that. Kahn was "killed" by the Deadly Alliance, only to get unkilled in Deception. Raiden blew himself up in Deception, only to come back as Dark Raiden... in the same game. Yes, in point of fact, characters have died and been resurrected in the span of one game in this franchise.

The only character, by my count, to have never once died, is Skarlet... because she was introduced after the great pyramid culling.

Some come back as zombies

Some come back as wraiths

Some come back as Oni, Smoke Monsters, Cyborgs, Shadow Warriors & Demons, or some other sort of wacky slave to Quan Chi or the Dragon King

Speaking of Dragon Kings, sometimes they're dead for a zillion years, but their spirit can dupe a guy into collecting six rocks, which then allow them to possess Reptile and just keep strolling right along into Outworld like they own the place...

Some are already dead before we ever even meet them, yet still fully functioning members of the cast, capable of interacting with the living

Some come back exactly the same as they always were, with no wacky dark magic or slavery to show for it

I'm pretty sure some of them have been ghosts a couple of times

Still, some are killed off, only to later be revealed to have never died at all

Some basically just decide not to be dead anymore. After dying in MKII, Johnny Cage basically just said, "Huh, the door to heaven is closed... I guess I just won't be dead anymore." and ghost walked back down to earth and into his apparently fully functioning and intact body for MK Trilogy/MK4.

Some of them die, only to reappear perfectly fine and exactly the same in the Netherealm... and then just walk right out of hell exactly as they were before Death (because you can evidently do that in this universe) (Mileena died somewhere in that MKII-UMK3 area, only to then be exactly the same and working for Shinnok in MKG... because... I guess she just woke up in the Netherealm after she died and continued being an evil minion.)

Baraka may or may not have been cut in half one time and then resurrected by stapling himself back together (the rumors remain unsubstantiated. *Cough*)

And when all else fails, when anyone and everyone is dead, they all get time-travel retconned back to life in a rewritten history that's mostly familiar, but with a few fun new plot twists... most of which involve killing them again.

Does it really MATTER how they're alive? REALLY!?

They're alive because they wanted them to be in this game. Whatever flimsy excuse they attach to their resurrections this time is largely inconsequential, and should in no way have to depend on the flimsy resurrections put forth in the past.

This is one of the few franchises where, "Yeah... dying doesn't matter in this series" truthfully IS the best answer...

It really doesn't. A character can literally die, and then just get back up and stop being dead in this franchise. Should Ed Boon deem them worthy of it.




One of the best posts ever.

And this is actually one of the things I like about the MK universe. From fatalities to the constant deaths & resurrections it just laughs right in the face of death. As someone who has lost quite a few people in real life and finds human mortality to be depressing and a bit scary, that's a cool thing.
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01/18/2015 08:50 AM (UTC)
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FerraTorr Wrote:
One of the best posts ever.
And this is actually one of the things I like about the MK universe. From fatalities to the constant deaths & resurrections it just laughs right in the face of death. As someone who has lost quite a few people in real life and finds human mortality to be depressing and a bit scary, that's a cool thing.


Yeah, and this just makes the MK story completely pointless. The risk of death is what drives most if not all universes like Mortal Kombat. By making death meaningless it just reduces the franchise to nothing more than a blood-and-guts video game.

Because that's exactly what it is. The story always has come second and is inconsequential. Mortal Kombat is and always will be about watching people die in fun and stupid ways with your friends. This is why paying attention to the MK story always seems like a colossal waste of time to me.
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01/18/2015 02:39 PM (UTC)
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KingKahn-909 Wrote:
The risk of death is what drives most if not all universes like Mortal Kombat.
No it doesn't. The closet things to MK is comics and uh only Gwen Stacey and Uncle Ben stayed dead.
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01/18/2015 03:26 PM (UTC)
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Shinnok never died and he survived Armageddon. It was only an avatar he sent out.
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corayfor
01/18/2015 05:35 PM (UTC)
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Remember the Deception intro when Quan Chi snapped Shang Stungs neck? Onaga came storming in and Shang Stung (along with Raiden, who I also assumed dead) stood right up and started fire balling away.

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wwemortalkombatfan Wrote:
Why is Kitana and Kung lao in this game they were suppose to be dead



Which means nothing in the MK universe. Seeing your amount of visits, I take you ́ve been a fan for a longer time. So you should know that by now ;)
No kitana was suppose to be dead because she was killed by sindel and she was reserected as one of Quan chi's zombies along with kung lao Raiden defeated them ans assumed there spiits went to heaven that the way it should had been but knowing the mk team they got to come up with a lame excuse to keep her alive like they did with deception
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Spider804
01/18/2015 06:49 PM (UTC)
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It still doesn't change the fact that you and everyone else should know by now that death means jack shit in Mortal Kombat.
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Spirit_Wolf
01/18/2015 08:07 PM (UTC)
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Just watched the trailer again. And although Goro looks very impressive, I couldn't stop noticing all the polygonal lighting and shading. You can basicly see every polygon in Goro on his chest and shoulders. I hope they fix that.
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Tazer_Gunshot
01/18/2015 09:25 PM (UTC)
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Whoever said that Kung Lao has Liu Kang's fatal uppercut, better look again. It is far from that. Kung just does flip without his hands in use, nor does he uppercut them afterwards.
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01/18/2015 09:36 PM (UTC)
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Even if death is never permanent in Mortal Kombat, there should at least be some time before they are brought back.
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01/18/2015 11:08 PM (UTC)
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KingKahn-909 Wrote:
FerraTorr Wrote:
One of the best posts ever.
And this is actually one of the things I like about the MK universe. From fatalities to the constant deaths & resurrections it just laughs right in the face of death. As someone who has lost quite a few people in real life and finds human mortality to be depressing and a bit scary, that's a cool thing.


Yeah, and this just makes the MK story completely pointless. The risk of death is what drives most if not all universes like Mortal Kombat. By making death meaningless it just reduces the franchise to nothing more than a blood-and-guts video game.

Because that's exactly what it is. The story always has come second and is inconsequential. Mortal Kombat is and always will be about watching people die in fun and stupid ways with your friends. This is why paying attention to the MK story always seems like a colossal waste of time to me.




Whatever.

I love the story, mythos and characters.
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kunglao508
01/19/2015 12:44 AM (UTC)
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Watching the trailer reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22tCfmdLT_k
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01/19/2015 12:52 AM (UTC)
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Not that I would expect something different, but Kung Lao looks exactly the same as he always does. Just older.


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Gillbob316
01/19/2015 06:17 AM (UTC)
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For the record, I absolutely love the story, mythos and characters of this franchise too. It's one of my favorites in all of gamedom.

That does not change the fact that I came to terms long ago with the concept that the afterlife has a revolving door in this franchise. You just visit it in MK... no one lives there...

Except maybe Shinnok, who sort-of literally lives there.
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01/19/2015 06:26 AM (UTC)
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Fighting games have never had story-centric plots though. Mainly because fighting games have to focus on the one thing that makes them relevant, the one thing that makes them fighting games -- the gameplay. It's the same reason why the stories for League of Legends and Dota 2 won't advance -- because they need to appeal to their main selling point. You don't ever hear people playing those games for the stories. The only reason those games are relevant is because of the tournament scenes.

Why does Street Fighter have almost all the same characters in each game save for SF3? Because they don't care about story, like fighting games are supposed to.

The problem with fighting games is that they can't handle both a story and the tournaments. To advance the story, they need to make character changes. But, character changes means more uproars from fans which leads to no character changes. No character changes means no advancements in the story.

If you want story, you came to the wrong place. Might as well read a book, watch TV, or go play some action-adventure game like The Last of Us.
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01/19/2015 07:02 AM (UTC)
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I believe I have just the quote for the occasion:

Shadaloo Wrote:
The MK series has, from day one under John Tobias, put a hell of a lot of focus into crafting its own mythology, far more than your typical fighting game. We've gotten to the point where backgrounds have their own stories. This is really not up for debate, man.


mentalbreakdown Wrote:
If you want story, you came to the wrong place.

Story is what got me into the series back in 1996, and I have a feeling that a large majority of the fanbase would agree that it's not the gameplay that keeps them coming back to MK.

So I'm pretty sure I'm at just the right place, chum. Not sure about you, though.
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01/19/2015 07:17 AM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
I believe I have just the quote for the occasion:

Shadaloo Wrote:
The MK series has, from day one under John Tobias, put a hell of a lot of focus into crafting its own mythology, far more than your typical fighting game. We've gotten to the point where backgrounds have their own stories. This is really not up for debate, man.



mentalbreakdown Wrote:

If you want story, you came to the wrong place.

Story is what got me into the series back in 1996, and I have a feeling that a large majority of the fanbase would agree that it's not the gameplay that keeps them coming back to MK.

So I'm pretty sure I'm at just the right place, chum. Not sure about you, though.


When I was a little kid, story did not mean a whole lot. As I got older though I realized that there was more to MK than just blood and gore.

The story is what honestly keeps me coming back. All the new gameplay mechanics and fatalties are just icing on the cake. I enjoy MK, and I enjoy discussing it with majority of the people on MKO.

I mean thats what we're all here for right?
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Raneese
01/19/2015 07:20 AM (UTC)
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This is easily Kitana's best outfit yet! NRS is really stepping it up with the female designs this time. smile
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KenshiMaster16
01/19/2015 07:21 AM (UTC)
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Fighting games come and go as often as teen heartthrobs. The fighting mechanics don't make you care about the characters or the franchise. It's the story, the lore, the plot development. Sure, when I was younger and MKII had just come out, the violence kept me laughing hysterically for days on end but after months and months of playing ladders, seeing the endings, and then especially once the movie hit, it suddenly became all about the story for me. If MK's story for me went out the window and went to complete shit, honestly speaking, a lot of my interest would go out the window with it.

Story is incredibly important for me. MK is one of the very reasons a good story is now almost a requirement for fighting games. The scenery is changing in the fighting game community and MK is on the front line leading the charge.
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01/19/2015 07:22 AM (UTC)
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I'm just saying in the end the game is always going to prioritize gameplay over story. This is it for all fighting games. So, if making valid characters and keeping fan favorites in the game is going to appeal to the competitions -- despite sacrificing plot -- thats what the company is going to do.

What makes money? Story, or tournaments? Tournaments make HUGE profit. Capcom knows this, thats why they make their games fun and tournament-worthy. That's the reason why SF3 is still a major game in tournaments and making bucks. It's the reason why SF4 is still a major game in tournaments and making bigger bucks.

Story only makes money when it comes to movies and books. Because those are the reasons why people watch movies and read books.

Simple: I'm here because I like MK, but I don't take the story seriously. I don't get why dead characters coming back now matters more than when dead character came back in previous games. Don't think my objective claims make me not like MK. I love MK to death Not to mention, sure hardcore fans of MK love the story. But majority of people buying it are casuals and tourney players. Do you know how many people get the game and jump straight to practice mode? Or how many MK9 players jumped to Injustice so they have more game brackets to participate in?

Anyway, I don't wanna get the topic derailed. KITANA CAN SLAY ME SO HARD. PLEASE ANTICIPATE.
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01/19/2015 10:08 AM (UTC)
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oracle Wrote:
KingKahn-909 Wrote:
The risk of death is what drives most if not all universes like Mortal Kombat.
No it doesn't. The closet things to MK is comics and uh only Gwen Stacey and Uncle Ben stayed dead.


Superhero comics are just as bad.

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Whatever.


Hit a nerve there, son?
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01/19/2015 08:26 PM (UTC)
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KingKahn-909 Wrote:
oracle Wrote:
KingKahn-909 Wrote:
The risk of death is what drives most if not all universes like Mortal Kombat.
No it doesn't. The closet things to MK is comics and uh only Gwen Stacey and Uncle Ben stayed dead.


Superhero comics are just as bad.

FerraTorr Wrote:
Whatever.


Hit a nerve there, son?



You're an ass.
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03/05/2015 08:21 PM (UTC)
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