Or course my previous post was a joke, but it proved that even MK X would be loved in the future, given the right circumstances, like, you know, MK XI being worse than X and not being the saving grace many people expect it to be.

I still wouldn't hold MKX in high regard. It would just be less shitty than MK11. (But let's hope to fuckin' god they listen to people this time and get this shit right next time.)

Why do i keep reading it's the MK fans that are never happy? Ignoring the real reasons why we dislike the new direction.

MK9 was not that bad recieved. Instead i remember it was really WELL recieved. Offcourse fans voiced their opinion when Sub zero became Cyber zero. Or whenever other ridicilous decsion were made story wise. Imagine if we NOT voiced our opinion, Sub zero as we knew him could be gone. About the 3D era MK games. Alot was changed, the gameplay went from 2D to 3D. photgraphic sprites to 3D models. And not to forget some of the dumber new characters that were introduced. It's not that the complaints came oute nowhere.

So it's kinda unfair how some here try to manipulate fans that the MK fans are the problem with every new entry in the MK series.

Are the fans of MK devided? Yes they are, still most of us love the MK characters (2D & 3D era) the stages, the lore, mythologie, music etc. 90% can agree on that.

Is there a group that woulnd mind a 70% MK make over? Appearantly they exist. But the question i than ask myself is, what made you fan of the series in the first place? MK's universe is big enough to expand in it's original lore/setting.

The reason is because the MK fans are never happy. Even if a MK game got perfect scores across the board and it is the best received MK game, there will always be a few fans that will complain. It just never stops and 99% of the complaints are pathetically trivial. I read a translated article from the Smash director how annoying this can be. Incredibly insightful:

Sakurai''s column.



There are no real reasons. None. They are just opinions not reasons. If they were real reasons we all would agree on them. Some of the real criticisms of the game include:

- Netcode was still not at an acceptable standard especially on launch
- PC version launch was a disaster with many players unable to play
- PS4 players were region locked

These are real reasons because they are facts. They are objective reasons. What kind of person thinks that NRS are going to call a meeting to discuss why someone is crying over the art direction of the game or someone is crying a character did not make the roster? LOL.

It is fine to not like aspects of the game. It is fine to not like the game in its entirity. Absolutely fine. But those people have to recognise they are in the minority. Such a small minority that it is insignificant. The vast majority like or even love the game. Calling for changes just because a minority did not like an aspect in their opinion is nothing but selfish.

YES. THIS IS SO OBVIOUS BUT SOMEHOW PEOPLE DON'T GET IT.

How can anyone argue for what "the fans" want when the fans on this very thread are almost evenly split on their opinions.

This, legitimate concerns.

I may be disappointed that Rain, Smoke, n Baraka aren't playable,
but I'm not starting a riot or throwing a tantrum because of it.



Ka-Tra

It's a bit dumb to say that 99% of the complaints are pathetically trivial. I could say the same about you defending the shitty direction MK is heading.

Many complaints i read are legit complaints. Sure there are stupid complaints like not having their favorite character in MKx. Still i dont read many of them, especially not in this thread.

* Roster complaints,
I kinda agree as it has the whole cage family, jaqui and her dad included. Even if they are the main characters in the story mode. The parents could been left out just like Fujin, Rain Sareena and Li mei are not part of the roster.

* Story writing/direction complaints
Opinions or not certain things are done better or worse. Not going in more detail as there is nuff said in this thread.

* Music complaints.
The older music was better recieved. Maybe because it suited the game's atmospheer better. I agree it matched the setting and visuals better than the recent music.

*Stage complaints.
Mk used to have better and more stages. But it's hard to compare them now as Mkx is more about the military now. Tho, stages in MK9 were better recieved.

No. I do not think you even understand what a legitimate complaint is even though I explained it to you in the very post you are quoting. So for the sake of repeating myself I will explain to you AGAIN.

A legitimate complaint is one based on fact. One such example is the poor netcode or another legitimate complaint is PS4 players were region locked meaning I could not play against my American friends. They are legetimate because they are based on fact. We can all agree on them because they are facts.

The art direction not being to your liking is your opinion. It is not a fact. It is what you think it is. That is why not everyone agrees with you because it is your opinion. It is not a legitimate complaint.

When you comprehend this very easy notion you will realise it is not dumb. I also provided you with a link which also provides insight in which the developer decribing fans complaints as being bombarded with trivialities.

When NRS have their meeting do you think that they would discuss the art direction or the standard of the netcode? Everyone has been hammering about the netcode since launch because it is fact while the art direction only comes up when a person dislikes it.

I do believe it is a simple concept really. A fact and an opinion. Your entire "complaints" are trivial. They are all your's and other's preferences.

The point is this is a FORUM based on Mortal Kombat. We are here to discuss, share information and opinions based on MK, the positives (praise) and negatives (complaint)

We all are fans of the same franchise here. We like to share / express what we like or not like about MK.

Even if some complaints are based on opinions they still can be valid complaints. Especially if 80% of the MK fans share the same complaints.

Mass effect 3's ending were all complaints based on the opinions of FANS of the franchise. Same goes for many other games that let down the fans. You can discuss if the complaints were legit or not, but did that really matter eventually?

What else do you expect fans to do on MKO? You suggest we CAN'T complain based on our opinions? But than again we CAN praise based on our opinions?

I see where you come from and what you are trying to tell me. But it doesnt make much sense on a forum. Atleast not to me.

MKOnline isn't 80% of fans.
It isn't even 20% to be honest.
That's what a lot of people are trying to say.
MKX sold 5 million copies worldwide. MKOnline, at its peek, barely reaches 30 users.


The basic problem is that a guy named Mr.X has his own idea of MK within his own head and is pissed when his biased, personal vision of MK isn't fullfilled with the games.

As a MK Lore "expert" (not at the same level of Razor, of course) I've read so many bullshits, like the strongest Jax couldn't defeat the weakest Quan Chi, that I really wonder if some users are real MK fans or just posers.

I'm a fan of MK, but I fucking hate this game.

Yes, hence the reason why I said not liking aspects or all of the game is fine. What is not fine is asking changes based on those changes because the vast majority actually like this game. That is just selfish.

The art direction, story, music complaints etc etc are not shared by 80% of fans. Most people like this game.

4.5 stars out 5 at Amazon.it

Near perfect rating from consumers tells me the vast majority like the game. This game sold over 5 mllion copies yet some tiny minority complain that makes those complaints legitimate, never mind what the majority thinks? That is absurd. Most consumers are not part of forums. Having a valid complaint is not the same as a legitimate one.

Mass Effect 3 had ending complaints because the players were promised diverse endngs based on the choices they made. That never happenned. Consumers complained. The vast majority agreed on this.

Consumers reviews for Mass Effect 3

The first three reviews mention the ending explicity as a criticism. Most Mass Effect 3 forums were talking about it. Bioware faced strong backlash form the fans about it. There is no level of backlash about the art direction here. Comparions between the two are quite frankly delusional.

Complain all you want as long as you realise your complaints are not indictive of the fan base at large and in actuality in a very tiny minority.

Most complaints about the story are derived from inattention.

In the Final Act, Shinnok not absorbed the power of Jinsey, on the contrary, it spread its essence and power to corrupt the Jinsey so that it could be used as a weapon with the Heavens and the Elder Gods. Shinnok became in its corrupt form as weak as its version without the amulet as contaminated the Jinsey with his power and that power was that Raiden absorbed at the end of the game. One might ask why he did it? Because I wanted to turn the Jinsey Earth in the ultimate weapon to destroy the Elder Gods and were prevented it would reigning alone over all the kingdoms and being adored by all creatures.

Same happens with Quan Chi, the defeated to Jax was clearly explained in Story Mode that was made so that he could free Shinnok in Earthrealm behind their defenses. The only real defeats were against Sonya because she was focused on her Spell, logo was also a duel with Raiden; and effectively only against Scorpion.

Right, but not only that.
In MK: Mythologies a fully powered, amulet wielding Quan chi was defeated by Bi-Han.
In MK: Armageddon intro Jax was going toe to toe with Quan Chi, and was also getting the upper hand in that fight, before being hammered down by shao kahn.

A lot of people PRETEND to know the story and the lore of MK, but they know nothing.

Have you ever listened to the NetherKast? They know about MK, more than you "lastfighter89" and they complaint about the new direction MKx is heading. So what's your point?

The undeveloped new kids pissing on all the characters. Idc if if if, its just lame as fuk.
Atleast Sub zero was a well developed LIn kuei warrior. Him beating Shinnok made sense as it was his game.

And not even 20% are fans here? So you and you buddy's are the only users that know about MK and are true MK fans.. ma stai scherzando?

There were several users here, back in the day that never played MK.

When asked why they were even here, they replied they usually post in the General forum.



Ka-Tra

I think the time line you mention was in the 3D era. Where alot off ppl stopped playing MK as it went 3D and the gameplay was less appealling.

Most of them left a long time ago. Now alot old users have left MKO and now joind the Facebook group of NetherKast.

Oh, I'm sure I've done my fair share of pushing people away with various rants...



Ka-Tra

You rant? Lol.

I dont think ppl left bc reading rants. More the BS discussions that take priorityy over the real problems in MK.

Lastfighter89 is right. Many people think they they know the story and lore, but they don't. The early games left much to our imagination, so a lot of things we believe are real, are actually things we made up ourselves trying to connect the dots.

How does Sub-Zero defeating Shinnok make more sense than Cassie defeating Shinnok? MK Mythologies happened before MK1, it was his first experience with beings from another realm (as far as we know). Just like MKX was Cassie's first experience with beings from another realm. They both had plenty of experience within Earthrealm. If you mean he had been in more MK games, why would that matter? Development that hasn't occurred yet doesn't count.

Lastfighter89 was saying that less than 20% of the MK fanbase has an account on this site, he was not saying that less than 20% of those with an account on this site are MK fans.

I've listened to some NetherKast, and Razor was the only guy who knew his shit.
It's not a coincidence he left this forum, due to being constantly insulted fre his superior knowledge of the MK lore.
My point is that MK X hasn't changed any direction, nor artistically, nor in the story or gameplay departement.
The special forces were the only organization that had the numbers, the budget and the means to protect Earthrealm. And despite MK X focusing more on the special forces, we still had interesting eastern inspired characters like Takeda(a ninja, with an actual story and personality gets more shit than the useless Tremor), Kung Jin (a shaolin monk, something you don't see since MK2) and the best version of returning characters like Goro, Kenshi , Tanya and so on.


Not liking the new direction isn't wrong per se, it's simply impossible because there is not a new direction. It,s simply the old direction moving forward.

You can like it or not, but the story, the characters, the stages, the music and the atmosphere are nor shit and are on par with the best MK games.


I wanna tell you this: I believe that MK9 and X are the best 2 games in the series, followed by Mk2 and UMK3. All the other games were decent at best, full of gimmicks, glitches and poor graphics.
Yes, I am talking about MK Deception too.

I'm not going to waste words on the previous comment about the users of MK Online not being the 20% of the MK fans around the world. Everyone understood what I've typed, except you.
Ps: on his twitter account, Razor spoke HIGHLY of the story mode of MK X, giving it a 8 or 9 out of 10.

Here's my thoughts.

You really have to have zero consideration for the actual gameplay to even think that MKX is the low point in the series TC. It's not like past games had better netcode either.

MKX is up there to me in every way. How far it goes into Individualising characters in both gameplay and personality. Just the characters actually having unique jumps and jump attacks now for example...not even MK9 had this. It actually has good animation too. It took Mortal Kombat way too long.

I also think it has some of the best character designs in the series, certainly the better character models of any of the 3D graphic games.

The story isn't even bad. The presentation, cinematic quality, character portrayal, dialogue and voice acting are all at their best here and it all make it an entertaining watch.

I think some of the stages come off as a tad generic for MK maybe, but they at least they look great. The Kove and Sky Temple look awesome and some of the better in the series.

A few too many army guys or lack of purple skies, don't take away from this game. It's good points far outweights the bad. It's up there as a favourite game in the series and I'm an old school fan since MK1.

What i meant was more how they tell the story now. Im not a fan of how the story is presented. Quality wise its an improvement and i do like Takeda and Kung jin. Just dont like the teenage hero movie take on the story. Especially bc Mk doesnt need that.




The music is a weird one for me. The rock/dc tunes set a very different tone. MK2, 3 and 4 had such different music compared to the music MK9 and x have now. It used to fit the setting of the older games, more focused on the mythology and mystic parts of the series.

Stages, i like a few. I prefer the look of the MK9 stages.



I agree with MK9, MK2 and UMK3 are the best in the series. I wish i could say the same for MKx, so far not really feeling the game. I never cared alot about the 3D era MK games. I loved konquest and the krypt. But yes it had alot of dumb shit.

And my bad about 20% fans you said. I mis understood that part.

Of course the game would be different had John Tobias stayed on the team. Would it have made things better? We will never know. The series has to progress. You can't keep remaking MK Trilogy every 4 years. 16 out of 17 returning characters in MKX were from Tobias' era. Some people (like me) would have preferred more returning characters from the post-Tobias era. It's just a matter of taste (and nostalgia).

So if MKX was called MK Mythologies: Cassie Cage, and all 12 chapters had you playing as Cassie, then it would have been okay that she defeated Shinnok?
Both are trained warriors (Lin Kuei SF) with a magical power (ice shadow) they got from their father (Sub-Zero 4 Johnny Cage). Sub-Zero (Bi Han) died in his first tournament in both timelines. What makes him better other than that he has appeared in more games?

They aren't teenagers. More like in their mid twenties. That's max 5 years younger than their parents in MK1. They couldn't skip ahead another 5 years, as their parents aren't getting any younger. And they (the parents) still had to be believable as fighters. They must be approaching 60...

Don't get me wrong. There are some things I would have done differently aswell. I would have added characters like Reiko, Kia, Jataaka, Drahmin and Moloch to Shinnok's army, even if they would only be cameo's. Mileena's teeth didn't need a makeover. In MK9, 2 or 3 characters could have been killed by the Lin Kuei, leaving plenty of characters for Sindel, but making it a little more believable. And keep official tournament matches 1 vs 1. Nice nod to MK1 endurance matches, but it makes no sense in the story. But in the end, that's just my personal taste. And what we ended up with isn't that bad.

Of course, is only subjective when having negative opinions or criticism towards something, praising and bashing dissenting opinions is where the true logic is at, everything else is just irrational hate. Disagreement is by its very nature offensive, right.


On topic, part of this new direction MK seems to be going entails broadening the target demographic by catering to casual players and the fans simultaneously, resulting in a blend of various elements that incorporate the classic MK feel with more mainstream hip themes. Was something sacrificed in order to achieve this? where they successful ?