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You-Know-Who
02/27/2010 03:14 AM (UTC)
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I actually do remember having a lot of fun playing as Sonya in MK vs. DC. I had even more fun playing as Kitana, though. I dominated with her. tongue

For this game, I would be happy if Jax returned IF he was going to be a foil for Sonya. That girl needs some development -- and having to fight a former ally is the type of "growing up" her character needs to do.
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Nic-V
02/27/2010 07:49 AM (UTC)
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Well, well, well. This looks like legit news. I don't have a problem with her return, that's for certain :P
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02/27/2010 04:13 PM (UTC)
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RE: Sonya Confirmed For Mortal Kombat 9?

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Ugh.

Not that I'm surprised. Figured Sonya'd be back...if for no other reason than Boon has a major hard-on for her. But still...

Ugh.

Sonya is Ed's sister's name
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
02/27/2010 04:53 PM (UTC)
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I will hate Sonya if they ever give her shorts or worse.

Her design is already bland enough by looking like a butch army chick despite running around in a dark fantasy world. She doesn't need to look cheaper by wearing less. I mean, seriously.

The legacy of Sonya's pants has been going since day one, and I prefer they keep it going.

As if she doesn't look enough like Lara Croft already. That would be the laziest direction to take her in. If they're gonna change her design (and I hope they do), they need to make her look more fitting for a fantasy game, not like the tomb raider or some frivolous airhead.

If you sluts wanna see thighs, go look at any other mk girl. Leave Sonya alone. We don't need "all" of them to wear the same shit.

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You-Know-Who
02/27/2010 05:25 PM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
I will hate Sonya if they ever give her shorts or worse.

Her design is already bland enough by looking like a butch army chick despite running around in a dark fantasy world. She doesn't need to look cheaper by wearing less. I mean, seriously.

The legacy of Sonya's pants has been going since day one, and I prefer they keep it going.

As if she doesn't look enough like Lara Croft already. That would be the laziest direction to take her in. If they're gonna change her design (and I hope they do), they need to make her look more fitting for a fantasy game, not like the tomb raider or some frivolous airhead.

If you sluts wanna see thighs, go look at any other mk girl. Leave Sonya alone. We don't need "all" of them to wear the same shit.



Why would Sonya wear "dark fantasy" stuff?
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~Crow~
02/27/2010 07:17 PM (UTC)
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Because Mortal Kombat is a dark fantasy series? The entire "United States" garbage has been rather out of place ever since MK4 really. In MK3 you could make the argument they were simply defending their homes and all, but why continue on? Sonya (and Jax) are constantly forced and prodded into the story.

I'm a big skeptic on them giving her any sort of different storyline or approach, since every time she's "come back" it's been with Jax and usually with Kano as well. Sonya has no story without those two characters. They will either be back as well, or Sonya will have something new. I'm hoping it's the latter, and I'd favor a design change as well. The military is just out of place in Mortal Kombat's universe of powerful superbeings and immortals.
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
02/27/2010 07:48 PM (UTC)
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You-Know-Who Wrote:

Why would Sonya wear "dark fantasy" stuff?

Why wouldn't she?

She looks too damn boring. They can still add army elements.
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02/27/2010 07:50 PM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
I will hate Sonya if they ever give her shorts or worse.

Her design is already bland enough by looking like a butch army chick despite running around in a dark fantasy world. She doesn't need to look cheaper by wearing less. I mean, seriously.

The legacy of Sonya's pants has been going since day one, and I prefer they keep it going.

As if she doesn't look enough like Lara Croft already. That would be the laziest direction to take her in. If they're gonna change her design (and I hope they do), they need to make her look more fitting for a fantasy game, not like the tomb raider or some frivolous airhead.

If you sluts wanna see thighs, go look at any other mk girl. Leave Sonya alone. We don't need "all" of them to wear the same shit.



When you said "Leave Sonya alone", I just remembered that Chris Crocker video of "Leave Britney Alone". lol glasses
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02/27/2010 08:11 PM (UTC)
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The thing that annoys me about Sonya (and the "Special Forces" in general) look and behave moronic. I don't know what SF operators would wear spandex (or in Sonya's case extremely visible thongs) and choose to punch people over shooting them.

If they want to make a fantasy/fake SF look for her they should look at Diaz from Ghost Recon.



Make Sonya look like that. A fucking badass SF operator.
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queve
02/27/2010 08:59 PM (UTC)
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You-Know-Who Wrote:
Sonya is not iconic because she is the first female. That she is the first female of MK adds to the hype surrounding her, I guess; but there are more pressing things that make her iconic. For example: Being the centre of the Special Forces storyline, which has been the biggest representation of westernized culture in the Mortal Kombat universe. Being touted as a promotional tool (apparently) is another. These are what make her a symbol of the series. Not that she lacks a Y-chromosone.


Very well said! (and LMAO on the last comment, tongue)

I wanted to quote this post of yours because I'm going to elaborate a tiny bit into the whole "western culture" + "Fantasy" of MK and how it makes since for the military to be involved in a game that's mainly ruled by super beings and magic in a post below.

GoDisNotHereTODAY Wrote:

Amen, my friend. I think Jax is one of the series' weakest characters. MK2 Jax didn't annoy me too much. But once we got all technological and got those fucking dumb arms, it was over with for me. So dumb.


I think Jax was pretty damn amazing in MKvsDC.

I'm no fan, but, whether we like him or not we can't deny that the team payed a lot of attention to his development in the recent MK games. They've obviously listed to the fans.

MK:TE had Jax rediscovering a fury that was buried inside of him, hinting a potential darker approach for the future. MKA gave us even more hints of this new "dark Jax" thanks to Sonya's Bio, Konquest and his Ending. It is clearly hinted that he might never return to the SF.

And whats even more interesting, is that this idea was also brought in for MKvsDC.

This anger (probably caused by Onaga's enslavement during MK:TE) is something that could be used to give Jax a new direction.

Anyway, whatever the case, his role in MKvsDC was fantastically played. The team obviously listed to the fans regarding the whole "gangster/guetto" thing. He was smart, caring, loyal, and not a stereotype in this game.

We saw real and caring friendship between him and Sonya (with a nice touch of humor), we saw him as a serious leader, and we saw him as a valuable ally. I'm no fan of his, but Jax was certainly one of the top best presented characters of MKvsDC. I wasn't that excited when he was confirmed, but after seeing his cool look and playing with him in story mode: wow.

I'm hoping that if he returns for the future they develop this "dark anger" of his that started during the events of Deception. Its got potential not just for him, but also for Sonya, the Tekunin and the SF in general.

Jax turning against the SF/OIA and even corrupting the agency could be just the twist to push him, Sonya, and the SF into a whole new direction.

QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
I will hate Sonya if they ever give her shorts or worse.

Her design is already bland enough by looking like a butch army chick despite running around in a dark fantasy world. She doesn't need to look cheaper by wearing less. I mean, seriously.

The legacy of Sonya's pants has been going since day one, and I prefer they keep it going.

As if she doesn't look enough like Lara Croft already. That would be the laziest direction to take her in. If they're gonna change her design (and I hope they do), they need to make her look more fitting for a fantasy game, not like the tomb raider or some frivolous airhead.

If you sluts wanna see thighs, go look at any other mk girl. Leave Sonya alone. We don't need "all" of them to wear the same shit.



Well, looking like Lara Croft is definitely not a bad thing at all, at least not in my book. And considering how she's been handled lately, she is pretty much the Lady Croft of MK.





While I'm with you 100% in your views regarding her using pants and different than the rest of the female cast, I don't see how shorts can cheapen her character if done tastefully.

If done well it could be an interesting look. I'm picturing Lara Croft, to be honest, but she doesn't have to look like her, and she wouldn't be running around in a swimsuit (hopefully).

I'm all for giving her a more "magical/fantasy" costume/look, because she would look freaking amazing, but, they pretty much went in the right direction with her MKvsDC look. It had enough details on it to make it look a bit sci-fi without being over the top.

Considering she is one of the more "human" characters of the game, as well as in the military, her designs make sense, but I'm with you, I would definitely adore a "dark fantasy" approach to give her design a new twist and more spice. Whatever they do, I just hope its as good or (if possible) better than her fantastic MKvsDC design.

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Because Mortal Kombat is a dark fantasy series? The entire "United States" garbage has been rather out of place ever since MK4 really. In MK3 you could make the argument they were simply defending their homes and all, but why continue on? Sonya (and Jax) are constantly forced and prodded into the story.

I'm a big skeptic on them giving her any sort of different storyline or approach, since every time she's "come back" it's been with Jax and usually with Kano as well. Sonya has no story without those two characters. They will either be back as well, or Sonya will have something new. I'm hoping it's the latter, and I'd favor a design change as well. The military is just out of place in Mortal Kombat's universe of powerful superbeings and immortals.


They continue because they are important elements of a crucial group that's defending the world (and the rest of the realms) from destruction. Earth is no doubt a very special place in the MK world, and so are Sonya and Jax as chosen warriors and leaders. Considering most gigantic threats are always related to Earth in one way or the other, it makes since to have such a powerful organization like the SF/OIA protecting it from destruction. What wouldn't make sense is if no one in the world did anything to protect themselves from invasions or criminal attacks.

This is no different from "real" wars that take place between countries. It makes sense. This is one big representation of the "western culture" in the MK Universe.

The military is not out of place because they are a good representation of what's human in the MK world, and despite all the magic, MK is still about humans, chosen warriors, and worlds. We've had them involved since game one, and they are now fighting along side monks, movie stars, robots, cops, criminal clans, etc. It makes since to have Earth defend itself in its own "human" way. It adds a lot more credibility and realism to the whole fantasy that is MK and that's what makes the OIA/SF so valuable and special. And even if its not for Earth, she and Jax are just as special as Kung Lao and Sub-Zero in their roles of "heroes saving the other worlds".

But yeah, I'm not against the idea of turning everything upside down and reverting the roles. I'm actually all for a twist. I want the OIA corrupted, I want a dark Jax to be involved with the Tekunin and the corruption of such an important element that protects the world, and I want Sonya to be forced into a new path because of if. Just some ideas and thoughts.
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02/27/2010 10:07 PM (UTC)
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I'm still under the firm belief that Sonya should look like a soldier and not a prostitute/stripper with a para-military gimmick. Again, I point to Alicia Diaz from Ghost Recon as an example.

As an alternate costume she should definitely have the usual outfit she's worn since the first game but I think it's time to take the SF/OIA thing seriously if they even do it at all. They should look like badass warriors and not like a bunch of idiots that just came out of a gym.
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02/27/2010 10:27 PM (UTC)
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The_Truth Wrote:choose to punch people over shooting them.


Because it's a fighting game I guess. It doesn't have to make that much sense. If you start applying logic like that you've basically get Call of Duty in the Netherrealm. Probably would make a pretty cool game, but it wouldn't be MK.

With that said, Jax uses a gun from time to time, and so could Sonya. If you want to be anything like realistic though, the person with the gun would aim at the other person's face then pull the trigger. There would be no sidestepping, but there would be exploding faces and instant death.

Sonya's coolest look thus far, for me, has to be her PS2 era military "dress whites" uniform, complete with beret and awesome thigh high boots. That was sweet and awesome.

I forget: In the story, how is explained that Sonya obtained supernatural powers like her kiss of death?
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queve
02/27/2010 10:48 PM (UTC)
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MrHoppyX Wrote:

I forget: In the story, how is explained that Sonya obtained supernatural powers like her kiss of death?


Ed Boon and Tobias confirmed in an interview around the time of MK3 that Sonya's magical abilities come from her inner strength. They also mention that her "mind control" allows her to defy gravity and "fly". The same thing applies to explain Liu Kang's ability to shoot fire balls and Johnny Cage's shadow and fire powers.

It's kind of like a magical "Chi" thing I guess. We saw a lot of it in MKvsDC during Liu Kang's chapter with Flash and Scorpion.

I actually have the official magazine with all that info and made a special thread regarding this gem (it had tons of cool, fun, and interesting trivia about Mk1, Mk2, and Mk3 and the characters).

They even refer to Sonya as the "Chun-Li" of MK.

Found it!! It's the Official MK3 Kollectors Book Check it out here:

What you didn't know about MK1, MK2 and MK3

It might also provide some unknown interesting information about the general story of the games and characters that you maybe didn't know about. It's got a lot of background info that's cool to know about the development of the story and their characters.
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You-Know-Who
02/28/2010 01:17 AM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
Because Mortal Kombat is a dark fantasy series? The entire "United States" garbage has been rather out of place ever since MK4 really. In MK3 you could make the argument they were simply defending their homes and all, but why continue on? Sonya (and Jax) are constantly forced and prodded into the story.

I'm a big skeptic on them giving her any sort of different storyline or approach, since every time she's "come back" it's been with Jax and usually with Kano as well. Sonya has no story without those two characters. They will either be back as well, or Sonya will have something new. I'm hoping it's the latter, and I'd favor a design change as well. The military is just out of place in Mortal Kombat's universe of powerful superbeings and immortals.


Ugh. No offense to you personally, or anything, but I don't like it when people pigeon-hole the Mortal Kombat universe like that. Some people act like certain genres are the only borrowed inspiration for Mortal Kombat. If you look at the games, you can see a love for comic books, superheroes, pop-culture icons, horror, Eastern mythology, history and technology. Pretty much all of this has been there since day one.

I'm getting sick of immortals in Mortal Kombat, truthfully. I think it's kind of contrary to the point. Granted, I do think that Sonya's storyline has been stale since about MK3, and it was never that great to begin with in the first three games. Perhaps Jax should have died in MK3, and given Sonya some development going forward? I don't know, but yeah, Sonya's storyline has been lacking.

I just don't understand how getting this human character, who lives in the same world we do, and putting her in some sort of goth-inspired costume is going to make any sense whatsoever. I'm sorry, but leave that sort of stuff to other MK characters out there. It made more sense for Jax to wear gangster stuff. It would make more sense for Sektor to create an optical illusion that makes him appear human. It'd make more sense for Raiden to get himself a sex change, because as a deity, his gender may not be as "locked" as other creatures are.

Sonya Blade -- a female American member of the Special Forces wearing "dark fantasy" stuff is fucking stupid. Sorry.
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02/28/2010 02:14 AM (UTC)
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I think The_Truth has the right idea about Sonya's attire. I do NOT want to see short shorts or some kind of Lara Croft-ish type get-up. I'm well aware that this is just a video game series, and it's fantasy. However, in a series like Mortal Kombat, there has to be a sense of realism, especially if you have characters from Earth like Sonya and Jax.
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02/28/2010 02:46 AM (UTC)
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You-Know-Who Wrote:
~Crow~ Wrote:
Because Mortal Kombat is a dark fantasy series? The entire "United States" garbage has been rather out of place ever since MK4 really. In MK3 you could make the argument they were simply defending their homes and all, but why continue on? Sonya (and Jax) are constantly forced and prodded into the story.

I'm a big skeptic on them giving her any sort of different storyline or approach, since every time she's "come back" it's been with Jax and usually with Kano as well. Sonya has no story without those two characters. They will either be back as well, or Sonya will have something new. I'm hoping it's the latter, and I'd favor a design change as well. The military is just out of place in Mortal Kombat's universe of powerful superbeings and immortals.


Ugh. No offense to you personally, or anything, but I don't like it when people pigeon-hole the Mortal Kombat universe like that. Some people act like certain genres are the only borrowed inspiration for Mortal Kombat. If you look at the games, you can see a love for comic books, superheroes, pop-culture icons, horror, Eastern mythology, history and technology. Pretty much all of this has been there since day one.

I'm getting sick of immortals in Mortal Kombat, truthfully. I think it's kind of contrary to the point. Granted, I do think that Sonya's storyline has been stale since about MK3, and it was never that great to begin with in the first three games. Perhaps Jax should have died in MK3, and given Sonya some development going forward? I don't know, but yeah, Sonya's storyline has been lacking.

I just don't understand how getting this human character, who lives in the same world we do, and putting her in some sort of goth-inspired costume is going to make any sense whatsoever. I'm sorry, but leave that sort of stuff to other MK characters out there. It made more sense for Jax to wear gangster stuff. It would make more sense for Sektor to create an optical illusion that makes him appear human. It'd make more sense for Raiden to get himself a sex change, because as a deity, his gender may not be as "locked" as other creatures are.

Sonya Blade -- a female American member of the Special Forces wearing "dark fantasy" stuff is fucking stupid. Sorry.


"Mortal" Kombat hasn't been about mortals since MK1, the first and only game that was actually any sort of "actual" Mortal Kombat tournament. MK2 and MK3 dealt with invasions and the like, stuff directly on Earth. The large portion of the storyline after that time takes place in Outworld. That's just the way it is.

I'm not asking for goth Sonya at all. However, she's becoming increasing a joke in each appearance. The midriff was enough, but then we had thongs and then visible nipples. People are now calling for short shorts. When is it all going to end? When Sonya becomes a Dead or Alive character? Mortal Kombat, as a series, deals with far more fantasy than any other except for perhaps Soul Calibur. Even though however, MK still trumps it well enough. "Dark fantasy" doesn't have to be the caricature you're making it out to be. If it wasn't for Sonya, the whole really bad US military angle would not have to exist. The other characters from the US don't make it a point they are representing their country. I was mostly calling for her storyline to reflect something a little more in line with Mortal Kombat as a whole. Appearance wise, Truth has the right idea. That outfit is probably a little bulky to do martial arts combat in, but the idea is right. Because like I said, Sonya is a freaking joke now and becoming increasing borrowed from DOA in every appearance since MKDA.
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02/28/2010 02:51 AM (UTC)
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That's partially why they are doing the reboot, aren't they? To get rid of all these superpowers floating around and ease things up a little bit? I don't want Sonya looking like a teenage girl when she fights, either, but I don't want her the realism of her storyline to be sucked out of her because people can't accept that Mortal Kombat is not all undead flying bitches and sorcerers. Sure, there are some of them, but not EVERYTHING in the games has to borrow from that sort of concept.
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02/28/2010 05:23 AM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:

I'm all for giving her a more "magical/fantasy" costume/look, because she would look freaking amazing, but, they pretty much went in the right direction with her MKvsDC look. It had enough details on it to make it look a bit sci-fi without being over the top.

Yes. Sci-fi. That's the word I'm looking for.

I think her look is both too realistic and Lara-ish for MK. Fantasy might be a bit much for her, however, considering her personality, but sci-fi would be just right.

I mean, if I'm not mistaken, it goes something like this:

Realistic, then sci-fi, and then fantasy.

I think she belongs more in the middle. So not really an earthly look, not really a fantasy/otherworldy look... but a blend of both... a sci-fi look.

And even though I think her MKDC costume had a futuristic/sci-fi touch to it, it still doesn't cut it, imo. I think even Kira, another earth-based tough chick, has a flashier costume than her.
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02/28/2010 05:50 AM (UTC)
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great news heres hope for reptile!!!!
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You-Know-Who
02/28/2010 08:31 AM (UTC)
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Ah, sci-fi is a bit different. I dunno -- I think that might even be a bit cheesy for her.
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02/28/2010 10:02 AM (UTC)
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kitana is also confirmed
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You-Know-Who
02/28/2010 11:50 AM (UTC)
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It makes perfect sense that Kitana is in. Right next to Sub-Zero, I think she is the most obvious choice to keep going.
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02/28/2010 05:08 PM (UTC)
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Sensei4869 Wrote:
kitana is also confirmed


Where was Kitana confirmed? I take this back^^
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03/01/2010 03:08 AM (UTC)
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*orgasm*

Seriously, though, awesome news despite not surprising. I am so glad they're not gonna make me go through the whole suspense thing by announcing her first. Now I can just lay back, relax, and enjoy the news that follow.

The first emotion that Sonya's return instills within me is hope. Her role in MKDC was amazing, in all aspects from look, to prominence, to the awesome move-set. This leads to me to believe they will keep it going by upgrading her even further in the next game. And like others have already said, the biggest room for improvement is in her storyline.

I think the writers need to explore Sonya's dark side. We all know she's bad-ass and pissed off, but she's always had Jax and Co. around to tone her town a notch. I think she needs to somehow stray away from the Special Forces and OIA and just the whole "law/justice" scenario, so that her hardened personality can expand into something darker. I think the next antagonist(s) have to be so powerful and so threatening, that it forces Sonya to step out of her organization and do things she would never have done prior in order to overcome this new obstacle. I don't mind if they accomplish this by killing off Jax and having her reach a breaking point. Seems like this is pretty much the consensus, anyway, so hopefully Boon realizes that this is what the fans want.

I personally can't wait to see her again! It's been a while *embraces her Double-D's and sobs*
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03/01/2010 02:03 PM (UTC)
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@ Queve:

I agree with almost everything you said about Jax, About the only thing I didn't like was the idea of turning Jax "dark" or into a villain or anything like that. I respectfully disagree on that point my friend. I don't mind necessarily if they explore some darkness in the character but I want the heroes to remain heroes. Same for Kitana, don't turn her into a cynical character or a vigilante or anything like that. She is the Princess and heir to the throne of Edenia. She represents hope to her people. Keep her that way. I would like the writers to stay away from all that dark shit with most of the heroes. I hated Dark Raiden. That is one thing that has turned me off of a lot of comics today. Let the heroes be heroes and the villains be villains.

There is room to explore dark characters like Sub-Zero (at first), Scorpion, and Sareena,

As a matter of fact if any character is going to go dark or has the potential to be explored that way it should be Cyrax imo. He was a Lin Kuei assassin before he volunteered for automation. He was trained like Sub-Zero to be a merciless assassin and warrior so he has a darkness in him already that could be fun to flesh out and explore some. Why did he choose to join the OIA? Does he feel remorse for the killings he did in the Lin Kuei?

Kabal's another versatile character that could be played with this way I think.

That's enough for now I think.
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