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lastfighter89
11/06/2015 07:06 PM (UTC)
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
No one is saying SFV is better than MKX. You can put away the sales figures because this isn't about that. This is strictly a roster comparison thread.

And I've said it before that "taking risks" was the wrong word choice. Other than Birdie and Akuma not being in the first year of characters, there's not much risk here.

But I do believe that the SFV base roster is better than MKX's base roster. SFV has 4 characters who haven't been since since Alpha 3. (2 of which only appeared in Alpha 3) MK has nothing like that in its base roster. You can't really count Goro because he's DLC. So the only one you have like that is Shinnok.

Compare Shinnok to R. Mika and Karin.

Shinnok - Playable in MK4 and Armageddon

Karin and R. Mika - Debuted in Alpha 3, never seen again until SFV

That alone makes the roster way more interesting to me. And that's not even counting DLC. If we count DLC SF gets Alex, Urien, and Juri as well. That would be the equivalent of MKX getting Fujin, Reiko, and Havik.




Since when the "less used characters are more interesting" statement is universally true?

I, for one, have no interest in seeing the return of Hotaru and the likes of him.
Heck, I'm pretty much uninterested in Tanya and Tremor too.

So basically what makes your point standing still?


Yes, there are some less used characters in the mk franchise that could be saved with the current technology, aesthetics and gameplay mechnics, but why bother with them when you can earn 5 million units sold and a helluva lot of money by using the same 10-15 characters all over again?

I don't know if Capcom's strategy will be remunerative for them, but at the current state of things I highly doubt that they will raise the bar with SF5.

Of course the game will be a huge success, but it will not fare as well as Mkx imo.
And in this success, the roster will play little to no role: people will buy the game just for its name, nostalgia and , in minor part, due to the tournament scene.


This is unrelated, but the first 5 minutes of SF5's story mode were leaked and the reception from a "neutral" forum like neoGaf was far from enthusiastic.
From the looks of it, SF5 is desperately trying to walk the same steps of mk x.
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11/06/2015 09:43 PM (UTC)
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Zero risk to leave out fan favourites in Akuma & Sagat seems pretty bold to me. The new characters are actually new and there's plenty of characters that haven't been in a main game for years. MKX cannot say the same.

Nah, most MKX newcomers offer something fresh for the series:

-Takeda has Scorpion's teleport in one variant. That's about it. And teleports are kind of a staple of MK to begin with so that's not a knock on him. His new-age ninja gimmick is fairly original.

-Kotal Kahn, you said, was "just a replacement for Shao Kahn". That is wrong on so many levels. From his mesoamerican roots to his gameplay to his characterization, he's nothing like Shao. Heck, if his name didn't have "Kahn" in it, we wouldn't even connect him to Shao.

-D'Vorah, like Kotal, is just flat-out unique. I don't see many bug people running around in fighting games in general, let alone MK. There's Q Bee from Darkstalkers, I guess.

-Ferra/Torr is a big guy with a lot of charisma and some cool moves. We don't get lots of playable heavyweights or assist fighters in MK, so again, originality points.

-Erron Black is a cowboy. A new design for the MK universe. His moves aren't 100% inspired (guns, bombs, etc etc) but he's a concept with a lot of potential.

So with all that in mind, I can't gel with the notion that MKX's newcomers "aren't new", as you implied. Not at all...
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11/08/2015 03:03 PM (UTC)
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To those saying SFV will not outsell MKX, don't be so sure. The SFIV series sold over 8 million units and I doubt MKX will get to that number without some sort of serious expansion. Next to that, Capcom made some serious adjustments to the direction they are taking with SFV when looking at SFIV.

For one, the roster. Way more diverse. Capcom really listened to the fans and brought back the likes of Karin and R. Mika, hell even Birdie made it over Akuma, Sagat, Guile, and Balrog. Then, there's the new characters, and of course the classics from SFII. A much better roster than MKX's if you ask me.

Second, no more milking the game in the form of super/hyper/ultra expansions for money like they did with the IV series. Every DLC/expansion can be bought with fight money or real money, up to the player. Somewhat took the successful approach of KI in that they are releasing a new fighter every 3 months or so.

Third, easier and more accessible gameplay. No more one frame links and such, meaning the game will be more appealing to the casual gamer. Apparently the story is a big deal too this time from what I hear so if you ask me, Capcom has made all the right calls on this one.
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KenshiMaster16
11/09/2015 12:06 AM (UTC)
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Demon_0 Wrote:
To those saying SFV will not outsell MKX, don't be so sure. The SFIV series sold over 8 million units and I doubt MKX will get to that number without some sort of serious expansion. Next to that, Capcom made some serious adjustments to the direction they are taking with SFV when looking at SFIV.

For one, the roster. Way more diverse. Capcom really listened to the fans and brought back the likes of Karin and R. Mika, hell even Birdie made it over Akuma, Sagat, Guile, and Balrog. Then, there's the new characters, and of course the classics from SFII. A much better roster than MKX's if you ask me.

Second, no more milking the game in the form of super/hyper/ultra expansions for money like they did with the IV series. Every DLC/expansion can be bought with fight money or real money, up to the player. Somewhat took the successful approach of KI in that they are releasing a new fighter every 3 months or so.

Third, easier and more accessible gameplay. No more one frame links and such, meaning the game will be more appealing to the casual gamer. Apparently the story is a big deal too this time from what I hear so if you ask me, Capcom has made all the right calls on this one.


You have to consider though that they sold 8 million over multiple editions (of which they claim to not be doing this time around) as well as multiple consoles. However, now they've limited those sales to just PC and PS4. It's automatically going to limit them in terms of numbers.
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11/09/2015 01:36 AM (UTC)
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Demon_0 Wrote:
To those saying SFV will not outsell MKX, don't be so sure. The SFIV series sold over 8 million units and I doubt MKX will get to that number without some sort of serious expansion. Next to that, Capcom made some serious adjustments to the direction they are taking with SFV when looking at SFIV.

For one, the roster. Way more diverse. Capcom really listened to the fans and brought back the likes of Karin and R. Mika, hell even Birdie made it over Akuma, Sagat, Guile, and Balrog. Then, there's the new characters, and of course the classics from SFII. A much better roster than MKX's if you ask me.

Second, no more milking the game in the form of super/hyper/ultra expansions for money like they did with the IV series. Every DLC/expansion can be bought with fight money or real money, up to the player. Somewhat took the successful approach of KI in that they are releasing a new fighter every 3 months or so.

Third, easier and more accessible gameplay. No more one frame links and such, meaning the game will be more appealing to the casual gamer. Apparently the story is a big deal too this time from what I hear so if you ask me, Capcom has made all the right calls on this one.


You have to consider though that they sold 8 million over multiple editions (of which they claim to not be doing this time around) as well as multiple consoles. However, now they've limited those sales to just PC and PS4. It's automatically going to limit them in terms of numbers.


That's true, but keep in mind that loyalists will get a PS4 in order to play this game and though I'm not sure how many units sold will be attributed to this, I'm certain its still a significant number. Looking back, titles like RE1 and RE2 exclusive to the PS1 each sold close to 6 million units. Street Fighter has the name and the success of the IV series to achieve this
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11/09/2015 06:04 AM (UTC)
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Demon_0 Wrote:
KenshiMaster16 Wrote:
Demon_0 Wrote:
To those saying SFV will not outsell MKX, don't be so sure. The SFIV series sold over 8 million units and I doubt MKX will get to that number without some sort of serious expansion. Next to that, Capcom made some serious adjustments to the direction they are taking with SFV when looking at SFIV.

For one, the roster. Way more diverse. Capcom really listened to the fans and brought back the likes of Karin and R. Mika, hell even Birdie made it over Akuma, Sagat, Guile, and Balrog. Then, there's the new characters, and of course the classics from SFII. A much better roster than MKX's if you ask me.

Second, no more milking the game in the form of super/hyper/ultra expansions for money like they did with the IV series. Every DLC/expansion can be bought with fight money or real money, up to the player. Somewhat took the successful approach of KI in that they are releasing a new fighter every 3 months or so.

Third, easier and more accessible gameplay. No more one frame links and such, meaning the game will be more appealing to the casual gamer. Apparently the story is a big deal too this time from what I hear so if you ask me, Capcom has made all the right calls on this one.


You have to consider though that they sold 8 million over multiple editions (of which they claim to not be doing this time around) as well as multiple consoles. However, now they've limited those sales to just PC and PS4. It's automatically going to limit them in terms of numbers.


That's true, but keep in mind that loyalists will get a PS4 in order to play this game and though I'm not sure how many units sold will be attributed to this, I'm certain its still a significant number. Looking back, titles like RE1 and RE2 exclusive to the PS1 each sold close to 6 million units. Street Fighter has the name and the success of the IV series to achieve this


Yeah, I've no doubt the die-hards will make the purchases if they were X-Boxers but they're taking a gigantic risk losing the X-Box users who are SF casuals.
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barakall
12/03/2015 10:49 PM (UTC)
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NRS is taking risks alright, but all for the money and just ignoring fans straight up.
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12/03/2015 10:53 PM (UTC)
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barakall Wrote:
NRS is taking risks alright, but all for the money and just ignoring fans straight up.


Two guests - risks??

It's safe to say Predator and Jason sold much better than Tanya and Tremor...

Only risk is alienating their hard fan base for good.

Money grabbing CUNTS.
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12/03/2015 11:44 PM (UTC)
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friendshipagain Wrote:
barakall Wrote:
NRS is taking risks alright, but all for the money and just ignoring fans straight up.


Two guests - risks??

It's safe to say Predator and Jason sold much better than Tanya and Tremor...

Only risk is alienating their hard fan base for good.

Money grabbing CUNTS.


Oh it's ballsy to completely disregard your core fans by not giving a fuck about what they want and catering to casuals for money instead. That's super risky. But that's not the kind of risk you want to be taking.
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12/04/2015 04:51 PM (UTC)
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friendshipagain Wrote:
barakall Wrote:
NRS is taking risks alright, but all for the money and just ignoring fans straight up.


Two guests - risks??

It's safe to say Predator and Jason sold much better than Tanya and Tremor...

Only risk is alienating their hard fan base for good.

Money grabbing CUNTS.


4 guests now.
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lastfighter89
12/04/2015 05:43 PM (UTC)
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Leatherface is to be considered a risky roster spot?
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12/04/2015 10:35 PM (UTC)
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Street Fighter isn't owned by a film company like NRS are. I'm sure Warner had a lot of say in some of the DLC minus the AvP ones. Street Fighter is owned by Capcom which I believe is still only a game company and not owned by anyone else.
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12/05/2015 06:44 AM (UTC)
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KenshiMaster16 Wrote:
NostalgiaGod Wrote:
Because the majority of reviewed and players appreciate the roster and the game and it's new mechanics and risks.


What fans are these and where are they? Even on many other MK sites and general gaming sites one of the main complaints I've seen time and time again since April IS the roster. Either I've seen people complain about not enough Trilogy folks or not enough 3D folks. I've hardly seen anyone fine with what we got. Yeah, there are some but I think they're actually the minority.

Even the casuals bitch about the roster because the NPC's weren't there and they don't want to have to end up paying for them. Now I won't condone their behavior when they get aggressively OCD about it despite me having my own problems with the roster but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and as far as past rosters go, this one imo is definitely bottom three.

In fact, I'd say the only seriously risky rosters in this franchise are MK3 and Deception purely because MK3 ditched the likes of Scorpion of all people, Reptile, Kitana, Cage and Raiden and Deception ditched the likes of Jax, Kitana, Cage, Sonya, ect. Those are some risky moves, especially considering how safe they've been playing it the past 4 games.


^ I agree with this whole-heartedly.

The roster bitching bugs me a little bit, but ONLY from people who bitched that the majority of the heroes got killed in MK9. I was super excited when that happened.

A fresh start? FUCK YEAH! Armageddon can be forgotten about, the trilogy roster came back for one last hurrah, now we can head in a new direction and have some of the MK4-MKD characters reinvented with some new ones sprinkled in.

...

And then the crying started.

"HOW DARE NRS KILL MY BELOVED *insert character here* FUCK THIS STORY FUCK THIS COMPANY I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW THEY TREATED KUAI LIANG I WANTED CYBER SMOKE RAIDEN IS A MORE LIKE A BLUNDER GOD AMIRITE HAHA BLAH BLAH BLAH AD NAUSEUM"

Those same people are the people who complain this roster sucks. And it only sucks because NRS felt immense pressure to bring back the dead favourites, who could have easily been overlooked for at least one game.
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12/05/2015 06:49 AM (UTC)
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Demon_0 Wrote:
To those saying SFV will not outsell MKX, don't be so sure. The SFIV series sold over 8 million units and I doubt MKX will get to that number without some sort of serious expansion. Next to that, Capcom made some serious adjustments to the direction they are taking with SFV when looking at SFIV.

For one, the roster. Way more diverse. Capcom really listened to the fans and brought back the likes of Karin and R. Mika, hell even Birdie made it over Akuma, Sagat, Guile, and Balrog. Then, there's the new characters, and of course the classics from SFII. A much better roster than MKX's if you ask me.

Second, no more milking the game in the form of super/hyper/ultra expansions for money like they did with the IV series. Every DLC/expansion can be bought with fight money or real money, up to the player. Somewhat took the successful approach of KI in that they are releasing a new fighter every 3 months or so.

Third, easier and more accessible gameplay. No more one frame links and such, meaning the game will be more appealing to the casual gamer. Apparently the story is a big deal too this time from what I hear so if you ask me, Capcom has made all the right calls on this one.


its sad to see now that Capcom is finally catering to their fans while NRS is going where Capcom used to be.

The fact that Capcom brought back the obscure Street Alpha characters over some series staple characters speaks volumes while NRS would gladly ignore the existence of a majority of the 3D era characters aside from their personal favorites like Quan Chi (who still gets barely played in BOTH MK9 and MKX) and Kenshi.
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12/05/2015 08:17 AM (UTC)
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At least SFV didn't fuck up with their DLC characters.
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12/05/2015 06:50 PM (UTC)
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DarkKard4 Wrote:
Demon_0 Wrote:
To those saying SFV will not outsell MKX, don't be so sure. The SFIV series sold over 8 million units and I doubt MKX will get to that number without some sort of serious expansion. Next to that, Capcom made some serious adjustments to the direction they are taking with SFV when looking at SFIV.

For one, the roster. Way more diverse. Capcom really listened to the fans and brought back the likes of Karin and R. Mika, hell even Birdie made it over Akuma, Sagat, Guile, and Balrog. Then, there's the new characters, and of course the classics from SFII. A much better roster than MKX's if you ask me.

Second, no more milking the game in the form of super/hyper/ultra expansions for money like they did with the IV series. Every DLC/expansion can be bought with fight money or real money, up to the player. Somewhat took the successful approach of KI in that they are releasing a new fighter every 3 months or so.

Third, easier and more accessible gameplay. No more one frame links and such, meaning the game will be more appealing to the casual gamer. Apparently the story is a big deal too this time from what I hear so if you ask me, Capcom has made all the right calls on this one.


its sad to see now that Capcom is finally catering to their fans while NRS is going where Capcom used to be.

The fact that Capcom brought back the obscure Street Alpha characters over some series staple characters speaks volumes while NRS would gladly ignore the existence of a majority of the 3D era characters aside from their personal favorites like Quan Chi (who still gets barely played in BOTH MK9 and MKX) and Kenshi.


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12/05/2015 08:45 PM (UTC)
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F.A.N.G has finally been revealed. https://youtu.be/cy1oO_OpuYA
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barakall
12/05/2015 09:10 PM (UTC)
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Ok, the new characters were great so far, but I must admit: this is a total idiot of a character that has no place. What is he, a gay magician? Would've taken Sagat or Akuma over him.
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12/05/2015 09:23 PM (UTC)
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barakall Wrote:
Ok, the new characters were great so far, but I must admit: this is a total idiot of a character that has no place. What is he, a gay magician? Would've taken Sagat or Akuma over him.


I figured he would be one of those characters that you would either love or hate. No middle ground with him. He seems to be using a form of the Crane style of Kung-Fu. Hence the bird like motions. He is definitely not going to be beginner friendly.

I'm sure Sagat and Akuma will be in at some stage. Probably the 2017 wave of DLC.
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KenshiMaster16
12/05/2015 09:25 PM (UTC)
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The fuck did I just watch?
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12/05/2015 09:28 PM (UTC)
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The fuck did I just watch?


Whatever you think you just watched I know there will be a Maximilian video masturbating over it.
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lastfighter89
12/05/2015 09:39 PM (UTC)
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Ok, after this, I think that Hsu Hao isn't that bad after all. He's quite cool compared to F.A.N.G.
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12/05/2015 10:21 PM (UTC)
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
Ok, after this, I think that Hsu Hao isn't that bad after all. He's quite cool compared to F.A.N.G.


He is the one character that could be considered a miss [ie. hit or miss] in the lineup so far. The fact that he's so high up in Shadaloo [Sagat's replacement] doesn't help. Hell, Adon would have been a better fit for that role. He's been trying to outdo Sagat for years.

Hsu Hao like alot of the 3d era characters could be decent if NRS put the time an effort into making them unique instead of just a clone of whoever.
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KungLaodoesntsuck
12/05/2015 10:44 PM (UTC)
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Fang looks alright to me. He definitely looks like something out of Kung Fu Hustle but I love that movie. His moves are cool and he's the first character in SF to use poison attacks. But his personality seems goofy. If he was more menacing I'd like him more.

His super is just lame though. He flaps through the air like a pelican.
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lastfighter89
12/06/2015 02:22 AM (UTC)
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EVERY character of SF is goofy, even the ones that are supposed to be serious, like Ryu aka "Mr eyebrows above headband".
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