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02/03/2016 02:44 PM (UTC)
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I thought they were great.

So many intricate side plots that could be heavily ironed out. Like Jacqui's ending and that mysterious skull she stole from Kotal. Or Takeda's and Kenshi's siege of the Red Dragon stronghold. Or Erron/Sonya's ending both pointing at the death of Jax. Resurrection of Shang. Return of the Raptors (technically they're not Zaterrans I guess)> possible reemergence of The Dragon King. Kano's son's origins.

There is so much going on and so much to delve into. Problem is, the majority of these side stories will suffer greatly all due to the flawed chapter system. It needs to be reworked or scrapped completely. Personally I'd prefer the latter, but I won't refute an updated system since it seems to be the method they prefer.
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02/03/2016 02:46 PM (UTC)
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lastfighter89 Wrote:

1) sub-zero riding a dragon is a bad joke of an ending, ad that gives you cancer ( have you tried with cigarettes? They are far more effective)


Cigarettes just help with the stress. The stress that comes from horrible fucking writing.

2)the fan base of NRS is willingly eating shit to defend NRS


Hard to make a convincing argument when your breath smells like poo, regardless of subject matter.

Let me answer , barakall..ehm, I mean CISIS, EHM ......COUGH ...Spaceman.
1) Dragon are part of the MK lore, beginning from the logo, going through Liu Kang's Fatality and Onaga and ending with Orin, Caro and the Elder Gods.
Would you explain me why Liu turning into a Dragon makes sense, but Sub-Zero taming a Dragon does not?


No I wouldn't. Lui turning into a dragon during the mid nineties was hype as fuck. Would you explain to me why Sub Zero suddenly, out of the fucking blue became the khaleesi of MKX??? Like I'm not trying to say its unbelievable (in a game with undead ninja's and robots and bug ladies) just that its a painfully unoriginal, shallow imitation from game of thrones. MK has always borrowed from other popular shit but this was a complete new low. Like they didn't even try. Sub Zero is straight up Khaleesi, fuck his character arc thats been going on for decades. They have infinite room to go crazy with the "what if" aspect but they copy paste from game of thrones. In 2015 when game memory isn't a limitation. Fuck off.

2) I'm proud to be a shit eater.


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3)90% of the endings of MK,MK2, MK3, MK4, MK DA, MK D, MK A,MK9 were what ifs.


And unless they had elements that were cannon, or further eliminated a character's backstory, they were total shit.
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STATE FED LIES CHARM EMPTY EYES. Anon.

02/03/2016 02:58 PM (UTC)
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MK 9 had crappy arcade endings, they were self-expolanatory and self-contained/ stand-alones.


MK9's endings were mostly crap because most of them never happened. At least in the old days about 50% of them were canon, whereas in MK9 only 2 or 3 had any truth and most of the rest were made up as "we know this doesn't happen because this character was massacred".

Even Sonya's ending was rubbish - they couldn't have figured that she'd do something more important than get haunted?
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02/03/2016 04:10 PM (UTC)
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I liked Sub-Zero riding dragons. To me that was probably the best ending.
It's one of the few endings which was probably designed by the same creative team that made the storylines for DA, Deception and Armageddon.

It is a return to mythological Sub-Zero, the one who journeyed to frozen mountains in Outworld to find his ancestors, the millennia forgotten race of cryomancers. And he found them, dead in their high cities, the King himself frozen on the throne.I wonder who did that genocide and why....(Shao Kahn? Shinnok? Onaga?)

Somehow, a dragon rider Sub-Zero fits my image of Sub-Zero, my childhood hero/antihero. I would see him journey to Outworld once more to find out truths. That would make a beautiful Sub-Zero arc.
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02/03/2016 06:36 PM (UTC)
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Most users on mko are game of throne fans or emo's. Don't mind, or even worse, they prefer MK to change into a "Game of throne" episode instead of how it was till Deception. Thats what i cant stand on MKO.

Even if youre the biggest game of thrones fanboy, you must notice those are 2 entirly different settings.

I can already see "fans on MKO" get a hard D*** when a legion of spectre ́s come ryding horses, holding medieval swords and scream like they did in braveheart instead of the old ninja styled characters. Sadboys...
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02/03/2016 07:23 PM (UTC)
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I think Ermac, Kenshi & Takeda's Ending's are cannon Shang Tsung, Taven & Deagon will return in MK 11
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02/03/2016 09:39 PM (UTC)
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MindStrikes Wrote:
Most users on mko are game of throne fans or emo's. Don't mind, or even worse, they prefer MK to change into a "Game of throne" episode instead of how it was till Deception. Thats what i cant stand on MKO.

Even if youre the biggest game of thrones fanboy, you must notice those are 2 entirly different settings.

I can already see "fans on MKO" get a hard D*** when a legion of spectre ́s come ryding horses, holding medieval swords and scream like they did in braveheart instead of the old ninja styled characters. Sadboys...



Well, I'd rather have a legion of spectres come riding horses, holding medieval swords and screaming like they did in braveheart any day instead of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Defenders of the Realm Teens having an adventure.
It sounds more like Mortal Kombat than fighting in the streets of big cities, like the MK3 fu**-up was. It sounds just like an epic fantasy game, which the world and established rules of the Mortal Kombat game can provide.
If this makes me a sadboy....fine sleep
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02/04/2016 02:53 AM (UTC)
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I am going to say this. 75% of the endings was great but 25% of the endings was trash.
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02/04/2016 12:36 PM (UTC)
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mattteo Wrote:
MindStrikes Wrote:
Most users on mko are game of throne fans or emo's. Don't mind, or even worse, they prefer MK to change into a "Game of throne" episode instead of how it was till Deception. Thats what i cant stand on MKO.

Even if youre the biggest game of thrones fanboy, you must notice those are 2 entirly different settings.

I can already see "fans on MKO" get a hard D*** when a legion of spectre ́s come ryding horses, holding medieval swords and scream like they did in braveheart instead of the old ninja styled characters. Sadboys...



Well, I'd rather have a legion of spectres come riding horses, holding medieval swords and screaming like they did in braveheart any day instead of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Defenders of the Realm Teens having an adventure.
It sounds more like Mortal Kombat than fighting in the streets of big cities, like the MK3 fu**-up was. It sounds just like an epic fantasy game, which the world and established rules of the Mortal Kombat game can provide.
If this makes me a sadboy....fine sleep


You dis-respect MK for what it always has been. And you also have no clue what MK was always about. The TMNT reference is ignorant. DOR was a kids cartoon that was meh for the most part. You make no sense.

How can you call yourself a fan of the series if you dont respect the MK mytholgies? MK was about martial artists, not about medievel knights, lol.

Just admit your are the emo that played MK just for the gore instead of the lore.



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02/04/2016 03:27 PM (UTC)
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MindStrikes Wrote:
mattteo Wrote:
MindStrikes Wrote:
Most users on mko are game of throne fans or emo's. Don't mind, or even worse, they prefer MK to change into a "Game of throne" episode instead of how it was till Deception. Thats what i cant stand on MKO.

Even if youre the biggest game of thrones fanboy, you must notice those are 2 entirly different settings.

I can already see "fans on MKO" get a hard D*** when a legion of spectre ́s come ryding horses, holding medieval swords and scream like they did in braveheart instead of the old ninja styled characters. Sadboys...



Well, I'd rather have a legion of spectres come riding horses, holding medieval swords and screaming like they did in braveheart any day instead of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Defenders of the Realm Teens having an adventure.
It sounds more like Mortal Kombat than fighting in the streets of big cities, like the MK3 fu**-up was. It sounds just like an epic fantasy game, which the world and established rules of the Mortal Kombat game can provide.
If this makes me a sadboy....fine sleep


You dis-respect MK for what it always has been. And you also have no clue what MK was always about. The TMNT reference is ignorant. DOR was a kids cartoon that was meh for the most part. You make no sense.

How can you call yourself a fan of the series if you dont respect the MK mytholgies? MK was about martial artists, not about medievel knights, lol.

Just admit your are the emo that played MK just for the gore instead of the lore.





I'd kick you ass sky high in anything regarding MK lore.
I'm proud to know it all and to have witnessed the expansion of this MK world through both the original games and the 3D era games periods.
If you thought Sub-Zero's ending didn't go with the lore, you were dead wrong. Take another look at Sub-Zero's story up until Deception (and even beyond- in Armageddon). He is a being descending from another world, born on Earthrealm, but from the race of cryomancers who lived in Outworld, wielders of ice, having this ability routed within their DNA.
From the Dragon logo of the Mortal Kombat tournament in which Sub-Zero participates to the Dragon Medallion of the Lin Kuei that only Sub-Zero could control and whose power only he could receive to the dragon tamer Taven whom he meets during the final events of the original saga, Sub-Zero was linked to dragons.

Now, if you hate that kind of ending, fine, it's your opinion. But keep in mind that the world of Mortal Kombat isn't just about a martial arts tournaments anymore. The world has expanded, encompassing other realms, with magic and strange creatures in them. Yes, I think it's very plausible and in accordance with the games to have ice dragons. I don't want sagas with Earthrealm characters from the military. I want something unique, magical, something ancient that the old Mortal Kombats used to bring us.

I think I am in accordance with most fans when I say that the series is too Earthrealm centered. If travelling to other realms means medieval knights, ice dragons, sorcerers and magi then that's awesome! tongue
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02/04/2016 03:48 PM (UTC)
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Except for a few they were all cringe worthy and quite silly, probably the worst in the series.

Game of Thrones ending is the awesome because dragons exist in MK so its cool and dragons and Game of Thrones are trendy therefore the ending is good and cool. Every theme or pop culture reference makes sense in mortal kombat because mortal kombat is popular, flawless logic.

Nice to see the NRS defence force trying to justify one of the weaker aspects of the game. Great Job.
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02/04/2016 04:11 PM (UTC)
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Why is everybody so focused on the dragons, that is not the problem. The problem is the simplicity of the whole thing, just nothing about MKX story related or SZ's history, just that he found some dragons and rode off on them to protect Earthrealm which is just silly..
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02/04/2016 07:13 PM (UTC)
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I never said dragons and MK dont go well. I said making MK look like a game of throne episode is not ok. But somehow the discussion ends up in something else.. even tho im not a fan of Sub zero flying a dragon... it ́s silly as fuk.


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02/04/2016 08:21 PM (UTC)
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MindStrikes Wrote:
I never said dragons and MK dont go well. I said making MK look like a game of throne episode is not ok. But somehow the discussion ends up in something else.. even tho im not a fan of Sub zero flying a dragon... it ́s silly as fuk.




I understood exactly what you said and that is why we had the disagreement. You picked on the thing that actually made MK cool (in my opinion). Game of Thrones similarities are cool.
You chose to say this is a bad thing yet the game has had soo many atrocities in any level. But let's just focus on the lore (story, character choices, coherence). There were a lot of bad things in MKX. The GoT resemblance is what saved it.

This is just my opinion, but I had to disagree with you. The politics in Outworld in the game (the flashback of Kotal's takeover from Mileena) and the politics in the comics is what made this game come to life.
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02/04/2016 09:46 PM (UTC)
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Some people really have weird tastes about story development.


The story of MK X is excellent, Maybe not on par with Deadly Alliance or Deception, but better than a lot of highly praised games and TV shows.
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02/05/2016 12:34 AM (UTC)
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BADASS6669 Wrote:
I think Ermac, Kenshi & Takeda's Ending's are cannon Shang Tsung, Taven & Deagon will return in MK 11


They didn't include playable Baraka, Sindel, Rain, Kabal, Stryker, Noob, Jade and Fujin is THIS game, but sure, fan favorites Taven and Daegon are shoe-ins for the next game.
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02/05/2016 05:50 AM (UTC)
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Most of the new timeline storyline is bad, really bad. The best endings of the franchise belong to MKDA and MKD. Most of the endings of both MK9 and MKX are as bad as the ones on MKvsDC. It is a shame they don't care the least about the lore they created.
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02/05/2016 06:18 AM (UTC)
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zerosebaz Wrote:
Most of ththemmpart e storyline is bad, really bad. The best endings of the franchise belong to MKDA and MKD. Most of the endings of both MK9 and MKX are as bad as the ones on MKvsDC. It is a shame they don't care the least about the lore they created.



I disagree. MK DA and Deception had some of the worst, actually.
So Bo'Rai Cho prefers Earthrealm wine, Kung Lao opens a school after defeating Shang Tsung, Johnny makes a new movie, Drahmin becomes human again, Sonya is promoted, etc
Pointless endings for the most part
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02/05/2016 06:10 PM (UTC)
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The logic of "He's never done it so he shouldn't do it" is pretty ridiculous. But if you think that Sub-Zero's Broach of Destiny from the old games is better than him finding ice dragons then it's pretty clear there's some nostalgia goggles at play here.

And the irony of accusing people that like the new stuff as being NRS fanboys is delicious. Please continue to sling those accusations around while you're writing messages for months, years, and decades of your life about the same franchise.
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02/05/2016 07:58 PM (UTC)
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mattteo Wrote:
MindStrikes Wrote:
I never said dragons and MK dont go well. I said making MK look like a game of throne episode is not ok. But somehow the discussion ends up in something else.. even tho im not a fan of Sub zero flying a dragon... it ́s silly as fuk.




I understood exactly what you said and that is why we had the disagreement. You picked on the thing that actually made MK cool (in my opinion). Game of Thrones similarities are cool.
You chose to say this is a bad thing yet the game has had soo many atrocities in any level. But let's just focus on the lore (story, character choices, coherence). There were a lot of bad things in MKX. The GoT resemblance is what saved it.

This is just my opinion, but I had to disagree with you. The politics in Outworld in the game (the flashback of Kotal's takeover from Mileena) and the politics in the comics is what made this game come to life.


I dont think you did. Have you ever played MK Sub zero Mythologies? It never mentioned Sub zero having a dragon pat. And that game portrayed Sub zero and his mytholgie at best.

Just admit youre not a fan of the original MK timeline. You prefer MK to become something else like Lastfighter and DjangoDrag...

And you prefer a legion of spectres riding horses holding medieval swords instead of how they were always portrayed... that's wrong on many places.

DjangoDrag Wrote:
The logic of "He's never done it so he shouldn't do it" is pretty ridiculous. But if you think that Sub-Zero's Broach of Destiny from the old games is better than him finding ice dragons then it's pretty clear there's some nostalgia goggles at play here.

And the irony of accusing people that like the new stuff as being NRS fanboys is delicious. Please continue to sling those accusations around while you're writing messages for months, years, and decades of your life about the same franchise.


I dont care what you think. Nostalgia goggles my ass. I guess you never played MK sub zero mytholgies eather. I dont mind if they add new elements, aslong it fits the character.

And as you can see at my post rate i dont write that much, i just share my opinion on MKo and some other forums
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02/05/2016 11:01 PM (UTC)
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Where did I state that I want MK to become "something else"?

Dude, really, I have nothing against you, but at least make sure of what you actually think and how you type it.


I want MK to evolve and improve, and MK X is ahuge improvement in almost every departement from the klassic MK games, which were/are great, but didn't age well.


Of course you lose me if you think Deception is the best of the series.
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02/05/2016 11:51 PM (UTC)
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
Where did I state that I want MK to become "something else"?

Dude, really, I have nothing against you, but at least make sure of what you actually think and how you type it.


I want MK to evolve and improve, and MK X is ahuge improvement in almost every departement from the klassic MK games, which were/are great, but didn't age well.


Of course you lose me if you think Deception is the best of the series.


I dont think Deception was the best. never wrote that so far i remember. I have nothing against you to paisan. It seems we like different aspects of MK. I do want MK to evolve and improve, it's one of the reasons im on MKO. I just dont think MKx is better in comparrisson to the klassic games. Especially how it presented. Offcourse technically its better but im not reffering to the technical aspect.

MK used to be more focused on asian mytholgies. Now it seems to fade away with MKx. Not saying it's entirely gone, but it's not what it used to be. The same goes for the music, it used to be on pair with the visuals. It had a dark and mystiq touch, what was very original and fitting.Now the music sounds like it's from a DC episode instead. The same is with some of the art designs. I understand that WB own the series but still i wish it didnt became so DC-ish. And its becoming too western in terms of mytholgies aswell.

Eventually MK is not that consistent anymore in what it used to be. Thats what bother me the most.
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02/06/2016 04:13 AM (UTC)
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MindStrikes Wrote:

Stuff.


Dude, Im posting on this site. I would be surprised if any members here haven't played MK:M.

And that game was no gem. It might actually be one of the clunkiest sidescrollers ever made. If you're trying to sell me on that game being great then yeah. You've got a lifetime subscription to Notalgia Goggles Quarterly.

Ya know what? Damn, that was ANOTHER game with a Broach of Destiny. You'd think that with all of these plot devices littering the realms there would be way more characters that became too powerful to believably lose to the likes of Sonya and Johnny. Oh wait. Shujinko also was running around finding magical jewelry, and then the entire MK cast DID become too powerful. That's exactly what the narrator said in the game's intro, isnt it?

Yeah, those were the glory days of MK writing.

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02/06/2016 06:37 AM (UTC)
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barakall Wrote:
Why is everybody so focused on the dragons, that is not the problem. The problem is the simplicity of the whole thing, just nothing about MKX story related or SZ's history, just that he found some dragons and rode off on them to protect Earthrealm which is just silly..


^This, SZ has no interesting story arc whatsoever in MKX; even his what if failed to impress me.

I will say most of the other endings are enjoyable.
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02/06/2016 01:09 PM (UTC)
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DjangoDrag Wrote:
MindStrikes Wrote:

Stuff.


Dude, Im posting on this site. I would be surprised if any members here haven't played MK:M.

And that game was no gem. It might actually be one of the clunkiest sidescrollers ever made. If you're trying to sell me on that game being great then yeah. You've got a lifetime subscription to Notalgia Goggles Quarterly.

Ya know what? Damn, that was ANOTHER game with a Broach of Destiny. You'd think that with all of these plot devices littering the realms there would be way more characters that became too powerful to believably lose to the likes of Sonya and Johnny. Oh wait. Shujinko also was running around finding magical jewelry, and then the entire MK cast DID become too powerful. That's exactly what the narrator said in the game's intro, isnt it?

Yeah, those were the glory days of MK writing.



Maybe MK: SZ was too difficult for you to enjoy it. Im aware that the controls (change direction button) and some platform elements were kinda hard to learn. But that's why i said it portrayed Sub zero's mytholgies at best. I did not say it was the best MK game. And if you loved MK 1,2 and 3, MK sub zero was really fun.

But offcourse you point at the controls while we speak of the mytholgie, lol. I knew you would come up with the controls.

About Deception thats another discussion. In terms of story it had many flaws. I just said that untill Deception the series was more focussed on to the asian mytholgie. Something i always liked of the MK series.

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