Yeah. Who would have guessed that I'd talk about the game aspect of the game? Crazy, isn't it?

Objectively bad gameplay aside, MKM is likely the single most campy entry in the franchise. Acting aside, the plot is essentially a giant fetch quest, the goal being, yet again, a Broach of Destiny.

Then, going even further beyond the literal plot device, you have Bi-Han beating Scorpion twice, then beating four gods, then beating Quan Chi and finally Shinnok. Holy shit. Holy shit. Why the hell is Raiden betting the farm on Liu Kang winning the tournament instead of Bi-Han, the dude who had just kicked the shit out of an entire gauntlet of gods. Good job there Raiden.

What's really crazy is this same guy who is so powerful that even gods are no match for him, this same dude is the ONLY character that died in MK1. What the actual fuck?

Dude, it's Sub zero's game, he is the main character. Offcourse he is the one that beats all the bosses. Do you expect him to loose 80% of the boss battles? It's a side scroller game from the 90's.

Except for MK Mythologies and MK (1992) no MK game has asian inspkred themes. Maybe few stages in Deadly Alliance and Deception, but that's it.


There is nothing asian, atmosphere wise in MK 2 and 3.


The Sky Temple in MK X is more asian than any other stage in the previous games.

You missed the whole point of the story of MK Mythologies.
Quan Chi's plan was to have Shinnok's amulet and let Shinnok not be aware of that.
The way Quan Chi manipulates Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Shinnok and Raiden is pure genius.

Shinnok was not defeated in kombat. Sub-Zero stole the Amulet imitation (mistaking it for the original) and run through a portal.

Quan Chi was defeated only due to Sareena interference, but he emerged victorius with the real amulet.

Raiden and Fujin were already defeated by humans.

If Raiden didn't trust Bi-Han he had good reason. He was a thief, a hitman, a vicious killer.
Raiden wants his chosen warriors to be good people.
And excluding Kabal, all the chosen warriors are good people.

There was a war of armies in Deadly Alliance, with Edenia and the Shokans against the remains of Shao Kahn's army.

There was another one in Deception with good Outworld folks and Edenia fighting the Tarkatan.

If the story mode was as deep as it was now, we'd already have the horse riding scene you make fun of in the games you mention having a better story.

Ok guys. There's totally not a case of Nostalgia Goggles going on here. Fetch quests involving Bi-Han wrecking half the MK pantheon then promptly being the sole casualty of MK1 is "Genius." As is, according to Lastfighter, Raiden preferring to lose all of Earthrealm in his last chance to stop the Outworld invasion rather than let a person who isn't "good" save the world.

I dont even know why Mindstrikes brought up Mythologies as evidence of Sub-Zero's MKX ending being out of character. You know that the protagonist of Mythologies and the guy in the MKX ending are not the same person, right? This entire discussion about MKM is completely irrelevant. GGs.

Im going to take this opportunity to bounce out of this conversation, since this entire discussion is relative anyway. Some people like MKX's story stuff and some people like the old timeline's story stuff. Then there's the supremely evolved individuals who are cool with stuff from both and it's all good in the hood.

Then there's the fanboys who accuse fanboys of being fanboys.

Re-read what I've wrote down, and then jump to conclusions.
I've never stated that Raiden didn't want Sub-Zero to save Earth. Raiden forced Bi-Han to do so. Bi-Han played the anti-hero role, he did it, but unwillingly.
I've just explained to you how the story of MK Mythologies is good, actually, and almost all of victories made sense.
You wrote that Sub-Zero defeated Shinnok, which is not true.
You wrote he defeated Fujin and the other gods, which is not an impossible feat.
You wrote he defeated Raiden, but he didn't.
He defeated Quan Chi only with Sareena's help.
But, ultimately, Quan Chi took the prize.


You can like it or not, but cannot deny this is good story telling.

Well shit. Here I go again.



We were discussing MK1 in regards to this point. Not Mythologies. In MK1, according to you, Raiden would rather the souls of Earthrealm's people go to Shao Kahn than let Sub-Zero win. This point is purely based on YOUR logic.



If you're right about this Raiden was an even bigger douchebag in the old timeline than he is now. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised though.



https://youtu.be/6RB8BD8bLa4?t=1m21s

Two individuals engaged in combat. One failed to achieve victory. This is also sometimes referred to as a defeat.



Obviously it isn't impossible, dude. We all played the videogame. But how many of Raiden's MK1 champions can say they have defeated five gods? None? Well damn. You'd think Raiden would be wise enough to bank on the one guy with "Killed multiple deities" on his resume. Especially with, ya know, billions of lives at stake.



Never said this. Perhaps you should...





And Liu Kang defeated Shao Kahn with Raiden's help. C'mon, man.




I actually can, believe it or not. But it doesn't matter because

I prefer MK:D endings just because of the story teller's voice. Narrator from Deception > everything else

Dude you're fuckin splitting hairs here like crazy just to argue. Sub Zero Mythologies was made AFTER MK1, there was no huge elaborate plan from day one, of course there are inconsistencies. This wasn't the Iliad for fuck's sake. But Raiden should have picked Sub Zero 1 to be his champion in MK1 and on?? Because he won some boss levels in a game made a decade later? Thats your argument??? Really? Write some fan fiction for nobody to read and move the fuck on. Building an argument on a "what if" scenario is ridiculous. Why didn't he pick Scorpion the man who can't die and whom he would later fucking pick (Scorp's MKX ending)?? Why didn't he pick Johnny Cage the dude with magical green powers that defeats elder Gods? Why not Kano the seemingly impossible to kill Black Dragon thug working for who ever pays the most?? Who the fuck cares, whats done is done.

But just to answer your inane "why not" scenario Sub Zero 1 was a hell bound evil as fuck coldblooded assassin who wanted fuck all to do with Raiden. The Lin Kuei was trying to profit off of Earthrealm and whoever controlled it, not protect it. They straight up pledge their service to Kahn during the reboot. Bi Han was their poster boy. Raiden wouldn't pick him no more than he'd pick Kano. Or fuck it, if we go by the shitty reboot, maybe he didn't pick him because Sub Zero 1 was straight up fighting FOR Shang Tsung (the Sub 1 vs Sonya fight from MK9). How would Raiden know Sub was trying to get close to Shang to kill him, if he was even doing that to begin with in the reboot.

But, and I could be way off here so I apologize if so, I'm guessing your basic overall argument is that its okay for MKX endings to be shit because the story was always kind of shit. Again not trying to put words in your mouth, but if thats the gist I disagree. Speaking from a strictly story based point of view, the series should absolutely show improvement after 20 plus years. Which of course in countless ways it has (MKX story mode was leaps and bounds better than MK9's imo) BUT we still get turds from time to time. And when I see a turd I call it a turd, I don't cradle it in my arms and pet it and put it under my pillow at night just because it plopped out of NRS. Sub Zero's MKX ending was an absolute turd, completely laughable. Calling it otherwise impedes further progress in the story writing quality of the series. MK's lore has always been teeming with mad potential and the fan base shouldn't just readily accept total bullshit. How many Street Fighter fans play just to follow Street Fighter's story?? Should that be the future of MK?

And of course you could just be arguing "some people like it and some don't" which is like the biggest cop out of all cop outs. If you wanna boil this down to a big "IMHO" argument than fuck it, enjoy your turds.

I take back what I said about nostalgia goggles. I was wrong. This seems to just be a case of general obtuseness.

Im going to go ahead a let you continue this conversation by yourself. Clearly you have no trouble inventing things and then claiming I said them. Don't give up man. You just might be able to convince yourself of something.

I agree that MK1 was most asian looking. And while it was, it's not my favorite. I think that MK2 defined the mytholgies of the series. Especially in terms of visuals and atmosphere. Adding portals, purple sky ́s, shadow priests, Shao kahn, and kombat zones like the pit 2, dead pool, the portal etc. A perfect blend of east meets west if you ask me.

While it presented a great looking world, it felt original aswell. Till today MK is unique, a one of a kind. With MKx i must admit that its fading away. And looking more mainstream, differing from its original concept.

MK sub zero was already more looking like a mix of eastern and western elements. So to me MK sub zero kinda extended (visually) what MK2 did.

DA and D. Somehow still felt asian inspired. Eventually MK was inspired by asian mytholgies and kung fu movies with a twist of western elemenst. I really wish to stay it that way. Without putting too much focus on agents and western characters perse. To me Baraka, Reptile al are equal and should matter just as much.