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Oni Lord Asmodeus
04/08/2007 12:31 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Actually, the source of disruption in the realms is the Amulet he wields, namely Shinnok's, which strangely, they imply as being a Kamidogu...

In Quan Chi's MKD trading card bio, John Vogel says that we don't know how old Quan Chi is and that he may even be as old as the Netherrealm itself.


ummm...ok. did you actually listen to the his MKA ending? yes the amulet is the source of the disruption but Quan Chi IS the amulet.
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Sub-Zero_7th
04/08/2007 12:47 PM (UTC)
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asmodeus Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Actually, the source of disruption in the realms is the Amulet he wields, namely Shinnok's, which strangely, they imply as being a Kamidogu...

In Quan Chi's MKD trading card bio, John Vogel says that we don't know how old Quan Chi is and that he may even be as old as the Netherrealm itself.


ummm...ok. did you actually listen to the his MKA ending? yes the amulet is the source of the disruption but Quan Chi IS the amulet.


Yeah, I did. Quan Chi gets transformed into Shinnok's amulet and is cast back in time to before Shinnok first discovered it.

His ending makes little sense for the following reasons:

1. Shinnok's amulet is NOT a Kamidogu.
2. Shinnok did not discover his amulet. He created it.
3. Quan Chi being transformed into a "Kamidogu" and thrown back in time is just a "what-if".

The whole ordeal with Shinnok's amulet is one of MK's biggest plotholes.

Quan Chi couldn't have been carrying himself all these years as his origins lie within the Netherrealm where he was once an Oni demon.
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Oni Lord Asmodeus
04/08/2007 09:39 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
asmodeus Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Actually, the source of disruption in the realms is the Amulet he wields, namely Shinnok's, which strangely, they imply as being a Kamidogu...

In Quan Chi's MKD trading card bio, John Vogel says that we don't know how old Quan Chi is and that he may even be as old as the Netherrealm itself.


ummm...ok. did you actually listen to the his MKA ending? yes the amulet is the source of the disruption but Quan Chi IS the amulet.


Yeah, I did. Quan Chi gets transformed into Shinnok's amulet and is cast back in time to before Shinnok first discovered it.

His ending makes little sense for the following reasons:

1. Shinnok's amulet is NOT a Kamidogu.
2. Shinnok did not discover his amulet. He created it.
3. Quan Chi being transformed into a "Kamidogu" and thrown back in time is just a "what-if".

The whole ordeal with Shinnok's amulet is one of MK's biggest plotholes.

Quan Chi couldn't have been carrying himself all these years as his origins lie within the Netherrealm where he was once an Oni demon.


I don't want this to degenerate into a back and forth arguement so I'll put this out there right now. As X stated before, the MK storyline is very incoherant and can be interpreted many different ways. I know that I know the MK story and I bet you do to, but of the things you listed above, one piont is unknown, one is just wrong, and the other is well, open for interpretation.

1) "Shinnok's amulet is NOT a Kamidogu."

What is a Kamidogu anyway? Could there be more than one Kamidogu? Could Kamidogu just be a word meaning weapon of the gods?

???

The answer to those questions is, we don't know. What we do know is that THE kamidogu of MKD was broken into six pieces and that it was the weapon used to shatter the One Being. We also know that in an official game, albeit a non-conon ending, it was stated that Shinnok's amulet was a Kamidogu.

2) "Shinnok did not discover his amulet. He created it."

That is what I thought for years. I remember reading that Shinnok created an amulet that could only be created once, but I think I, and many others, read it wrong.

The text reads, "It allowed Shinnok to enter the realm without challenge and keep the other Elder Gods from intervening (sounds somewhat like a free roaming sorceror...hmm). The amulet could only be created once, and Rayden stripped it from Shinnok's possession."

Go check it out, this is the official story. No where did it say that Shinnok created anything, it just stated he had an amulet that could only be created once. He may have "[given] into greed and illusions of false power" after he came incontact with the amulet.

Since the true origins of the amulet were never explained I think there is a good chance that this might be it.

3) "Quan Chi being transformed into a "Kamidogu" and thrown back in time is just a "what-if"."

You got me there. There have been no "what-if" endings that have not come true but still had some truth in them.

Let me put it this way, Quan Chi used Shinnok to gain power and made a deal with him saying that in exchange for a place at his side if and when he escaped the Netherealm, he'd free him. The deal was made and with Quan Chi's help, Shinnok took over the Netherealm and eventually assaulted the heavens.

As we saw in Quan Chi's MK4 ending, and also Baraka's MK Gold ending, Quan Chi's plan was to help Shinnok take his revenge and then double cross him in the end, taking his power. Niether of those endings came true and thus are not canon. Was Quan Chi still going to double cross Shinnok if he won??

From your above statement, can I surmize you believe no he wasn't going to betray Shinnok? It didn't come true right, so it's still a what if senario. But let me assure you that Quan Chi's intent transends that ending as he is still ploting a way to become realities top dog.

About your final statement, that Quan Chi couldn't have been carrying himself around as his origins are from the netherealm, that realy doesn't make sense. If the time travel senario is true then Shinnok would have found the amulet, the transformed Quan Chi, then Raiden would have taken it and hidden it in the Earthrealm temple. Quan Chi, the sorceror from the netherealm, would find it, not himself but an alternate version of himself, many years later and only then would he have the amulet.

Time travel can be a real bitch as it can get real confusing.

Put is this way, if Quan Chi's ending has any truth in it, then Armageddon may have already happened before. This may be the second or third time Armageddon has taken place and the second or third time the gods have warded of total destruction by weeding out the "source of disruption."

What-if sending the amulet back in time is what they want or did do in past situations. Then Quan Chi may just be the form the "disruption" took this time around.
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Sub-Zero_7th
04/09/2007 12:45 AM (UTC)
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1) Shinnok's amulet is definitely not a Kamidogu unless MKA is supposed to retcon what was said in MKD's Konquest. Basically, when Raiden was talking to Shujinko, he mentioned about the amulet that Quan Chi wields. Shujinko asked Raiden if it was a Kamidogu. Raiden said it wasn't a Kamidogu but it was connected to them in its function.

The stuff you said about the Kamidogu itself is wrong. The Kamidogu wasn't broken into six pieces. The Elder Gods created the six Kamidogu and used them to splinter the One Being's consciousness into the different realms of reality.

2) You got me there, but the amulet is still kind of ambigious.

3) You're making an assumption here. I know that while some endings are non-canon, parts of them are true and/or happen.

Like I said, the whole amulet thing is confusing, especially with what Ed Boon said in regards to the question about it during Fight Night 2006. If this was a matter of time travel, I guess that's supposed to explain the MKSM's ending, which further implies MKSM being canon, but that's for a different discussion altogether...

The whole time travel thing is only if Quan Chi had defeated Blaze and ascended into the Heavens.

If this time travel thing had been done before, that only makes MK's story even more confusing than it already is.
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Oni Lord Asmodeus
04/09/2007 01:25 AM (UTC)
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This whole discussion just keeps bringing up more and more what-if senarios in my head.

About what you said Zero, the stuff in MKD's konquest, I guess I'll have to go back and replay it as I have no answer for that. About the Kamidogu, it seems you may be right as I cannot find any evidence to back up them being one piece that broke in to six. And about MKSM, I really don't want to go there, when I think about it I cry.

But about the time travel thing in general, if you really think about it, if Quan's ending is canon, then the Elder Gods had created the Kamidogu before the realms were formed and way before the amulet was created as well. That would mean that at the time when the kamidogu was created, there was no concievable way to fuse them together. The amulet really did mess things up as because of it's creation, a way for the One Being to reform was created.

I think I'll continue with this train of thought and see where it takes me.
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Sub-Zero_7th
04/09/2007 02:56 AM (UTC)
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But then why is the amulet the main piece to fuse the Kamidogu together? It had to have been created either something during the creation of the Kamidogu or maybe it was created a bit after the formation of the realms.

I guess when we get right down to it, there are still so many questions that need to be answered but probably won't.

And yes, MKSM's story is very saddening indeed...but we have to come to face the facts that it is most likely canon afterall...
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04/11/2007 03:21 PM (UTC)
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Reptile
We were introduced to Reptile in the first Mortal Kombat as mysterious hidden fighter. With Mortal Kombat II we learn he's part of a believed extinct race of reptillian creatures from Outworld. He was Shang Tsung's bodyguard...later expanded that he was only Tsung's bodyguard under orders from Shao Kahn. Returning to Outworld after Tsung's defeat, Reptile enters the new tournament to protect his masters and eliminate the Earth fighters.

However, Reptile's ending reveals that the last of his people have been enslaved and were slowly being wiped out by Shao Kahn. And in his ending, Reptile turns against Kahn upon learning this and destroys him...allowing his people to live in peace. Unfortunately for Reptile, in Mortal Kombat III, we find him still serving Kahn and what's of his race completely extinct save him and Khameleon. Therefore, Reptile either didn't find out his people were being driven to extinction or Kahn convinced him to keep serving him by promising to resurrect them.

As said before, this is a large reason in why I consider Reptile a protagonist. He has that potential to turn against Kahn and turn good. If he could only figure out how bad he's getting screwed by the bad guys, he could reform himself. Like I explained in the first post, that there's the question of Reptile's potential reform is one of the things that makes me consider him among the main protagonists.


I know I mentioned this in another post, but I'll bring it up again. In one of the old MK2 strategy guides it mentioned that Reptile and Mileena were paired up to keep watch over Kitana.
Seeing as how her relationship with Baraka was a secret at this time, it would make sense that she wasn't hanging out with him during MK2. I know a Reptile/Mileena pairing is never mentioned anywhere in the game, so I have to wonder how much of what we find in the guides can be taken at face value?
Did the author have a contact directly to Midway and get some behind the scenes details or was he just cooking something up of his own?

As it relates to MK4, I thought it was interesting that Reptile was banished to the Netherealm and suddenly here's Mileena ressurected again. I always liked to think that Reptile had something to do with her return. Of all the millions and millions of souls wandering around the Netherealm, Shinnok just happened to pick Mileena to bring back to life. Coincidence?

If Reptile and Mileena really were as "inseparable" as MKSM suggests (and I can't believe I'm citing MKSM for evidence), then perhaps it's not too far from the truth.
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04/14/2007 08:13 PM (UTC)
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04/14/2007 10:08 PM (UTC)
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MY take on the MK3 fates. You know, since we're at the end and most likely none of this is gonna come up AGAIN, I'm gonna read into these endings and start saying what IS canon and what's NOT canon.

Johnny Cage - Ya know, in the games they never outrightly said that Cage never died, so I'm just gonna omit all that and say his MKT bio was canon. Word life.
And his ending doesn't say he defeated Shao Kahn, and so I think his WHOLE ending could be considered canon. I think after learning he would be dead anyway after it was all over, he went on a solo suicide mission which resulted in his full death. When it was over, he ascended to the Heavens.

Noob Saibot. In his ending, it is said that they want him to join Kahn to get his trust and get into the Earthrealm themselves. However, according to Scorpion's bio, Kahn attacked the Netherealm. So, Noob must've joined him before all of that - this is the Netherealm doing business with Outworld. In any case, Noob probably lied to Kahn saying he's done with them and wants to join Outworld for good - but in reality, he's just waiting for the right time to strike. And according to his MK4 bio, he helps the Earth warriors out in taking Kahn out. I'd like to believe he didn't do that out front, he just made a couple of rogue moves to make life easier for the Earth warriors.

Baraka. His ending says he failed and as a result of his failure, Kahn ALMOST died, and he fell out of favor. Now, ME - I'd like to think his failure was getting sliced by Kung Lao - but apparently Tarkatans heal fast. And the ending goes on to say Baraka thought Kahn would kill him anytime now. And so to escape such a fate, he deserts him and runs out into the realms.

Cyrax. Sub-Zero and Smoke defeat him and reprogram him to fight Outworld. In the end, Cyrax ends up stranded in a desert. Yeah, we know.

Sonya. She defeats Kano on the Rooftop and when it's all over, she and Jax start the OIA. Yeah, we know.

Raiden. I actually think Raiden might've fought Shao Kahn. Yeah. Because I've learned in MK that if a story tidbit is in MORE than ONE ending, it's most likely canon. And Raiden fights Shao Kahn not just in his ending, but in BARAKA'S ending. Only.....he lost. But, yeah, his Earth warriors prove themselves. And he gets to be a god again - he is rewarded with his immortality.

Rain. I agree, Xiaohu. I don't think just because MKA brought up this new origin that we should disregard Rain's ending. Kitana probably only got half the story. What she DIDN'T know was that Argus cheated, and didn't want to mess up his mission, and so he gave him to the Edenian general - who was the only parent Rain or anybody else ever knew.
Kitana saw him as a potential ally, I think that's a good insight. Kind of leads me to believe that maybe she and Rain DID have a special relationship - just not a romantic one. Since she felt compelled to tell him the truth. Maybe a bond seeing as they were both originally from Edenia.
But anyway about the other part of his ending - I'm gonna disregard THAT. In fact, unless maybe in someone else's bio in MKA we get some real info, I'm just gonna sit. If not, THEN we'll see what we can come up with.

Shang Tsung. According to his ending, Shao Kahn needed him not just to resurrect Sindel, but to track down all the Earth warriors. So I'm gonna go with that. But nothing else. Tsung failed and Outworld lost.....and Kahn is so pissed he keeps Tsung in a dungeon.

Kitana. I also think Kitana must've fought SIndel...AND I also think that her freeing SIndel from Kahn's grasp also meant that that's how Edenia got free. She and Jade team-up (I like to think that Reptile WOULD'VE killed her had Jade not interfered) and set her free. All's well, and they go back to Edenia.
And yeah, I think Liu Kang felt something for her in MK2, but it wasn't until MK3 that Kitana began to like him.

More coming later on.
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04/15/2007 12:44 AM (UTC)
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PsychoFight
04/15/2007 05:29 AM (UTC)
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No, dude, what I mean is NOT that Kitana and Jade fought Sindel together. HELL NO, I think Kitana fought her by herself too, haha.

What I meant was Reptile's assassination attempt. I like to think that Reptile won that fight and was gonna kill her if Jade didn't save her. I mean I love the MK storyline and all, but the bad guys never win, ya know? Let them win here and there.

Anyway, going on....

Kano. I think that he too was planning a betrayal on Shao Kahn. I mean, come on, he'll backstab anyone. But, anyway, we know what happened - fights Sonya, loses, gets healed and thrown in Kahn's prison. He redeems himself by fooling Sheeva into a trap. He's made general but when he comes back with troops, Kahn's already lost, so he stays in Outworld with him.

Scorpion. His whole ending is canon, sans beating Shao Kahn. Allies with Kahn cause Kahn can keep him out of the Netherealm, but when he finds out Sub-Zero's a target, he turns his back and protects him. When Kahn loses, Scorpion is sucked back into Hell.

Sub-Zero. Ya know, sometime in MK3, I think Sub-Zero might have had a re-awakening. Because in the MK4 comic, he was going to the Temple of Elements to make amends with the gods.Then in MKDA, he reforms the Lin Kuei. He does all these good things. I think in MK3, he was bitter about his legacy and all, especially about the fact that his clan turned on him - but someone slapped him in the face and said, "Well, dude, if you don't like it, then CHANGE it!"
Anyway, his ending is canon. Wakes Smoke up, he and Smoke beat up the robots, and then they go on to beat Kahn. Sub-Zero disappears after that.

Smoke. Gets waken up by Sub-Zero, and he helps him beat Cyrax and Sektor. He goes on to help the Earth warriors beat Outworld, but during a battle, he gets captured. He is deactivated and left to collect dust in Kahn's trophy room....even after everything's over, he's still there.
Damn, poor guy. Still, it's cool to know that the bad guys win here and there. Evens it up, makes them more of a threat.

Reptile. I actually DO think that Kahn promised Reptile to resurrect his race if he killed Kitana. I mean, that's his whole reason for serving Kahn. Anyway, he makes the attempt, but Jade beats him up. When it's all over, Reptile escapes into Edenia - without any homies to back him up. He's in the wind, and Edenia's on his trail! RUN, Reptile, RUN!
As for the whole Khameleon issue, given how the games progressed, Reptile never found shit out. So that's that. Maybe in MKA....

Jax. Not much to it. He helps beat Outworld back and when everything is back to normal - he and Sonya start the OIA.

Mileena. Here's a plot hole. Sad to point out, really. Remember how Tsung's MKA bio said all of Kahn's servants sell their souls to him? Well, when Mileena died, instead of coming to the Netherealm - how come she just didn't go back to Kahn? Hmmm....
Well, anyway, I think Mileena's ending is canon. She went to Hell, and Shinnok scared the crap out of her. In her MK4 bio, they mention she's afraid to serve under Shinnok. So when Kahn calls her up, Shinnok allows her to go, and Mileena is so fearful of Shinnok than ol' Shao, that she decides to do what she knows Shinnok wants her to do (given this info, I'm assuming Kahn called her up AFTER he attacked the Netherealm) - and that's overthrow Kahn. Mileena uses her "insight into Kitana's mind" to know what the Earthrealm is planning, and sets the wheels in motion for them to win each time - incognito, of course. When it's all over, Mileena goes back to Hell - ready to put work in for Shinnok again.
Ya know what I like to think? I like to think Noob Saibot bullied her - held her throat against a wall and told her, "You know the drill, so you bust your ass or I'll bust it for you." Adds more drama.
Like I said, though, I don't think Noob and Mileena betrayed Kahn OUTRIGHT. They just made moves incognito, Kahn never knew what hit him.
I also like to think that Mileena is the one who told Sheeva about what's happening with her race on Outworld - that was Mileena's way of weakening Kahn little by little.

Liu Kang. You mentioned Liu Kang and Kung Lao fought TOGETHER against Shao Kahn.....well, maybe. I mean, Kung Lao's MKG bio says that he suffered injuries during the final battle with Kahn, so maybe they did. Or Kung Lao went first, and went down, and Liu Kang went in second and won.
His ending is canon, of course - he brings Kahn down, saves Earth, and says bye to Kitana. Liu Kang then goes on to keep leading the new Shaolin and White Lotus.

Jade. She decides to side with Kitana, protects her from Reptile. They go on to help eachother. What I'd like to think is that Jade went with Kitana to free Sindel, but Sindel wouldn't go without a fight, so she attacks Kitana. Jade tries to protect her, but Jade gets an ass WHOOPING....unconscious like.
Of course, in the end, the good guys win and Jade goes with Kitana and Sindel back to Edenia to help rebuild.

Sheeva. So she finds out that the Shokan are getting messed up by the Centaurs and she goes on a rampage. Beats the crap out of Motaro, and then goes after Kahn - but Kano convinces her to let him help. Turns out he's just gonna score points with Kahn - and tricks Sheeva into getting killed. Nasty fella, that Kano.

Kung Lao. Man, the theory that he might've fought Kahn in MK3 is iffy with me. I mean, I know his MKG says "injuries during battle with Kahn", and so does his MK3 ending, but I dunno. Maybe they meant during an Outworld battle, not with Kahn personally. Still, I like the idea of them fighting together.
But in any case how did the Earth guys buy Kung Lao's death? If he died from injuries, shouldn't they have had time to watch over him or whatever? Or did he stay in the building as it was exploding, telling Liu Kang to go without him? That's what confuses me.
But in any case, Kung Lao didn't die. But he decided to let everyone think he did - and retire from fighting.

Nightwolf. I BELIEVE FIRMLY that the part of his ending of allowing the Earth warriors to regroup at his tribe was canon. They made a big deal of it in his bio, talking about "it's a threat to Kahn's occupation of Earth." So of course they'd use it.
I also believe that once everything was over, that his people got some land back. Not that that's really an important story detail, but hey - he helped save the world so he should get something back from it.

Sindel. I think the tidbit of Sindel having visions of her past life is canon as well. I just think it is - would've added emotional stress to her when Kitana was trying to win her back. She finds out about her true past, and comes back. She then goes back to rule Edenia.

Ermac. I think the ending tidbit of Ermac not trusting Kahn, thinking he's gonna consume him, is true. In Kenshi's MKDA bio, it mentions Kahn is abusing Ermac. So I think he feeds off of the souls that make him up. In any case, though, Ermac didn't do nothing here. He's just an enforcer and when Outworld was defeated, he went back with Kahn.

Stryker. Eh, he's not important. He helps to save Earth and that's all there is to it. But I agree he gives a "normal Joe" perspective to this whole thing - a role once filled by Cage in MK1.

Kabal. I too think he became a vigilante (a violent one too at that - "he gives crime's inner circles a new reason to fear" - come on, you can't think he's not dropping bodies. I like that perspective, Xiaohu). In his MKD bio he mentions he left the BD and all that despicable group stood for - so what else is he gonna do? I think it all makes sense.
What I'm curious on is what his interactions with Jax and Sonya were - like not all Black Dragons are bad. The whole moral ambiguity thing and all. ANOTHER thing I was thinking - what Kano thought of the situation. In MKDA, in Mavado's Konquest, it turns out Kano knows that Kabal "died" at Mavado's hands and that he was furious. So I wonder if Kano knew Kabal was a chosen warrior and if he did, how he felt about it. It would give him some depth.

Motaro. Gets taken out by Sheeva, end of story.

Shao Kahn. Well, I think Raiden and Kung Lao may have fought him, but I dunno. Still, it gives it all more color to know Kahn isn't just going to lose a fight. He has to be someone who can take motherfuckers OUT. a REAL boss.
It makes Liu Kang earn the victory. In any case, Kahn loses everything. He ends up weak and back in Outworld - barely holding onto his power.

Khameleon. Man, where did SHE go? Obviously she didn't complete her mission.
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04/15/2007 09:43 PM (UTC)
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reppy
04/21/2007 10:13 PM (UTC)
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Excellent analysis as always. I've always wondered why Shinnok ressurected Mileena in MK4. When you consider that he has literally millions of dead warriors to choose from, why would he pick Mileena? I had completely forgotten about her UMK3/MKT ending linking her with the Netherealm. Now it all makes sense.

Very awesome. Just reading it and seeing it all laid out like that really makes it easy to see that all these characters and their personal plotlines do intertwine and contribute to the overall picture. The only person that still seems left out in the cold is Stryker and his story barely went anywhere and barely interacted with anybody. Truly worthless in all but the "average Joe" sense.

I can't wait to see your analysis of MK4. One thing I could never figure is why Shinnok made Reptile a general. Sure the guy is good at what he does, but he's a ninja; not leadership material.
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04/22/2007 05:38 PM (UTC)
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Havent read all of this thread in that much detail, but on the MK3 storlyine.

I agree that Kitana and Sindel must have fought at some point. Given that Sindel was evil, and that Sheeva was her protector, she wasnt just gonna be able to run and say 'hey mom, remember me?'. Some kind of altercation ahd to have happened. I also wonder what Sheevas involvement, either directly or indirectly here was.

Rain, well Rain really doesnt interest me in the slightest, but the fact we dont find out what actually happened is rather annoying. Although Rains MKArmageddon bio is short, he tells us more about the Edenian people, who and what they are, and what he is. It seems logical therefore that he has been spending the time since MK3 'finding himself' and figuring out where he came from. he seems to have no direct tie with Shao Kahn also in MKA, therefore it seems to me that Kitana did manage to turn him against Shao Kahn, but not necessarily turn him into a 'good guy'. It seems like Kitana merely knew Rain was not Kahns own son, and informed him of this, and it was enough to spark his interest in finding out who his ture father was, ultiately discovering it was Argus. So although Rains MKA bio doesnt say 'Since MK3 ive been doing this this and this' if your think about it, his knowldege of his father and Edenia in general show he's obviously been doing some research into his heritage/identity.

Anyway thsoe are my opinion, thats pretty much all I have to say rigth now.
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04/26/2007 09:26 PM (UTC)
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This has been made on gamefaqs by Sub-Zero961 long ago:

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*The Invasion*
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Back on the Earthrealm, Jax and Sonya try to warn the U.S. government of Shao
Kahn's imminent invasion; however no one listens and Jax and Sonya individually
prepares for war. Sub-Zero and Smoke returned to the Lin Kuei headquarters only
to see the clan were being automated, Sub-Zero and Smoke refuses to be
automated and runs away from the clan but Smoke is caught while Sub-Zero
escapes. Smoke is automated and is ordered to seek and kill Sub-Zero along with
his soulless counterparts Cyrax and Sektor. Liu Kang and Kung Lao pays their
respects to their lost brethren and start to begin a new generation of White
Lotus Society, but their plans came to a halt, because little did the warriors
know that the Outworld tournament was merely a diversion to break the Elder
Gods rules and Shao Kahn reincarnates Sindel's spirit on the Earth realm thus
allowing a portal to the Earthrealm to not only claim his queen, but to claim
the Earth realm. While in the Earthrealm he transforms the Earth into a part of
the Outworld and strips the planet of all human souls. However there were
humans whose souls were protected by the Elder Gods so they could defend the
Earth from the Outworld invasion. The warriors whose souls were protected were
Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Johnny Cage, Sonya, Jax, and Sub-Zero. Shao Kahn knew there
would be survivors and appointed a new general, a centaurian named Motaro to
lead a special group called the Extermination Squad to kill the chosen
warriors, and in exchange he would help the centaurians defeat their natural
enemy the shokan and give them new lands. Motaro’s squads are successful in
killing many chosen warriors including Johnny Cage and brutally beating a
warrior named Kabal and leaving him for dead. At the end only 3 more warriors
not previously involved with the Outworld survived the attacks, a Native
American named Nightwolf, a riot cop named Stryker and the near death ex Black
Dragon member Kabal, whom found an artificial respirator to keep him alive.
Nightwolf had used his shaman powers and protected his land from Shao Kahn’s
evil; this is the only piece of land that is known to be immune to Shao Kahn’s
sorcery. In Outworld a rebellion starts and Shao Kahn sends the warrior Baraka
to settle it. Kano had actually roamed Outworld and convinced Shao Kahn to let
him live, in exchange Kano will teach Shao Kahn's armies how to use Earth's
weapons. Shang Tsung had been granted more power to help out with the invasion.
Shao Kahn also knew Kitana was on the move and knew Kitana would try to reach
Sindel, so he picked a female shokan warrior named Sheeva to be the protector
of Sindel. Also in addition he appointed Kitana's best friend Jade to bring
Kitana back alive and Reptile to stop Kitana even if it means her death. Shao
Kahn had also become aware that deceased Outworld warrior’s souls gave life to
a new entity named Ermac; Shao Kahn manages to take possession of Ermac and use
the souls for his own tyranny. While on Earth, the Edenian born warrior Rain
was confronted by the Extermination Squads, Rain chose to fight for Shao Kahn
rather than die at the hands of the Extermination Squad. The extermination
Squad tried to kill Liu Kang above all else for posing the greatest threat to
Shao Kahn's rule and putting a halt on Shao Kahn's past schemes. Sub-Zero also
knew he had been a target for the Extermination Squad and must take on not only
Outworld, but 3 soulless assassins whom go undetected by Shao Kahn. In Outworld
Kahn also decides to try and invade the Netherrealm; however he is unsuccessful
and releases the hell-spawn specter Scorpion and his clone Mileena to roam
Earth once again. Shinnok was enraged by Shao Kahn's act and sends Noob Saibot
out to spy again. The shokan warrior Goro also returned and he remained hidden
but his purpose is unknown. Kintaro had also returned but none knew for what
reason. Baraka soon returned to fight in the invasion after successfully
settling the rebellion. Raiden asks the Elder Gods to assist, when they refuse
he takes matter into his own hands and transforms himself into a mortal once
again to join the Earth warriors in battle, this time however he risks his
immortality and his place among the Pantheon of the Gods. Johnny Cage finds
himself being brought to life when the path to the heavens is blocked by the
merger of the Outworld and Earthrealm; he once again assists his friends in the
battle with the Outworld. A raptor named Khameleon tried to seek out Reptile to
warn him of their true past and for a chance to begin a new generation of the
raptor race. In the Outworld a warrior named Chameleon that worked for Shao
Kahn joined the invasion of Earth. During the battles, Sonya Blade had caught
up with Kano on a rooftop and a battle ensued, Kano was winning the fight and
kicked Sonya onto a gargoyle and had pulled out a Locke of Sonya's hair, Sonya
then feigned injury, and when Kano had advanced to finish Sonya off, she threw
Kano off the rooftop, however Motaro saw the battle and picked up Kano's dying
body and brought him to Shao Kahn’s fortress, Motaro then revived Kano and Shao
Kahn imprisoned him for his failure. Later on Sindel's protector Sheeva snuck
into Shao Kahn's fortress and killed Motaro in battle in front of Kano and was
on her way to kill Shao Kahn. Kano convinced Sheeva to let him out of his cell
and in return he would assist Sheeva in killing Shao Kahn. Their plan was for
Kano to go in first and create a diversion for Sheeva to deliver the attack,
but he instead betrayed Sheeva and informed Shao Kahn of Sheeva's plot, when
she entered, Shao Kahn killed Sheeva with a sword and promoted Kano to replace
Motaro as General of his armies, Kano was instructed to form a force for the
final invasion of Earthrealm, Kano had kept Sonya's hair as a reminder of their
rivalry ever since. Sub-Zero was able to defeat Cyrax in battle; however
instead of finishing Cyrax, he reprogrammed Cyrax to kill Shao Kahn. When Shao
Kahn was defeated at the hands of Liu Kang he managed to save his home of
Earthrealm. Cyrax malfunctions and ends up stranded in the middle of a dessert.
Sektor was still operating and reported back to the Lin Kuei. At some point
Smoke was captured by Shao Kahn’s forces and Smoke was imprisoned in a torture
chamber as he lay inoperative, he was little more than Shao Kahn’s war trophy.
Sonya and Jax were thanked and chosen to head the Outerworld Investigation
Agency that would learn how to create portals through science rather than
magic. Kung Lao had previously fought Shao Kahn, however Shao Kahn had defeated
Kung Lao, and he was presumed dead. Kitana was successful in reaching Sindel
after thwarting an assassination attempt by Reptile and allying herself with
her friend Jade, Liu Kang’s victory also freed Edenia from Shao Kahn’s rule and
Sindel became queen of Edenia once more. Nightwolf returned back to his home.
Afterwards Jade returned to her home world of Edenia, her allegiance belonging
to the Edenian crown and her queen, Sindel. Reptile escaped and wandered the
realms. Shinnok's Netherrealm escapees and agents Scorpion, Mileena, and Noob
Saibot are forced to return to the Netherrealm. The whereabouts of Stryker is
unknown. Rain too seemed to have vanished. Goro once again remained hidden.
Kintaro returns to Shao Kahn’s side once again. Khameleon also seemed to have
disappeared as well as the warrior Chameleon. Kabal had decided to leave the
Black Dragon clan and decided to fight for justice against crime, however he
later ran into a member of the Red Dragon clan named Mavado who sought to
destroy members of the Black Dragon and since Kabal used to be a member, Mavado
battled and Kabal and took his hook swords, though he failed to kill Kabal and
left him for dead. Later a warrior named Havik rescues Kabal from death and
inspires him to kill Mavado and restart the Black Dragon clan. Kano heard of
Mavado killing Kabal and would have killed Mavado himself if he hadn’t been in
Outworld the whole time. The mutant Baraka had fled and wandered the realms for
a great amount of time. Johnny Cage's soul departs from his body after Kahn's
defeat and Cage ascends into the heavens. The thunder god Raiden after
successfully guiding the mortals of Earth, returns to the heavens and continues
his role as the protector of the Earth realm. However Shao Kahn was still not
killed and he retreated back into the Outworld with Shang Tsung and Ermac. By
the time Kano assembled his troops for the final invasion Shao Kahn was already
defeated, he returned to Outworld and continued his services to Shao Kahn. In
Outworld Shao Kahn incarcerates Shang Tsung for failure. Over time Shang Tsung
was periodically released to perform favors for the dark emperor, until Shang
Tsung is eventually released all together and creates a sanctuary over an acid
pool where he must fend and steal souls for himself to keep himself alive.

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04/26/2007 10:30 PM (UTC)
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04/27/2007 07:34 PM (UTC)
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Have Stryker's whereabouts already been discussed?

And what parts of MKSF and MK Mythology Sub-Zero are canon?

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04/28/2007 04:35 AM (UTC)
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Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero
EVERYTHING. The basic written story, all the way through.
Sub-Zero killing Scorpion in the Shaolin Temple DID happen. You have the option to perform a fatality on him, but in the story, he does. That's how Scorpion dies. Therefore, in the story, he DOES meet him in the prison.
Sub-Zero performing a fatality on Sareena DID NOT happen, because she shows up to help beat Quan Chi. And helped him to leave the Netherealm. You have the option to do a fatality on her, but the story says he doesn't. Her actions are all corroborated in Deadly Alliance for GBA.
Other than that, everything in the game happens - all except for the cinematic where Sub-Zero talks to Shinnok in the prison. That only happens if you didn't kill Scorpion in the Shaolin Temple - which he does.

Mortal Kombat Special Forces
None of it. None of MKSF is canon, and I say this because not even the creators acknowledge it. Notice in all the Krypt of MKDA and MKD, there was all this promo stuff for MKM:SZ, MKG, and such? But NOTHING (literally NOTHING) for Special Forces? Not even a still shot of the title logo or anything? Because they don't acknowledge it - at all. So MKSF is not canon by any stretch.

I'm afraid the true canon Special Forces will forever be lost to us.....
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04/28/2007 11:46 PM (UTC)
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This is one of my favorite threads, no joke.

And what's the deal with MK:SM? is it canon
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04/29/2007 10:12 PM (UTC)
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GrotesquetheBeast Wrote:
This is one of my favorite threads, no joke.

And what's the deal with MK:SM? is it canon


Although I personally don't like to consider it as canon, it seems to me it is given the evidence.

I mean, the MK team tried to explain the story questions during Fight Night, so it seemed to me that they took this story as canon. Also, the way Sub-Zero and Scorpion were in MKA's Konquest, along with Kung Lao's MKA ending, really gives me the impression that MKSM is canon.

But anyway, MKSM's entire story discussion will be for later on.
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05/15/2007 06:23 AM (UTC)
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05/15/2007 09:12 PM (UTC)
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Just 2 interesting questions:

When did Sub-Zero restart to recreate the Lin Kuei for a force of good?
What is it right after MK 4/ Gold or between MK4 and MKDA?

And is it because Sektor sees human inferiors than cyborg he tried to conquer the Lin Kuei?

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05/15/2007 11:42 PM (UTC)
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Good stuff X. I do agree that MK4's story is vague and kind of "flimsy", especially since MKDA didn't do much in explaining what happened in MK4, which is one of its disappointing factors. You'd think we'd at least get some more insight into what happened, but I guess not. I suppose we'll just have to wait for a MKSM type game to explain the events of MK4.

About Reptile, I'm pretty sure Khameleon revealed the truth to him though if I remember correctly, his MKD trading card bio makes things confusing.

Regarding the Sub-Zero/Scorpion rivalry, it really would've been more plausible for Quan Chi to have told Scorpion that the younger Sub-Zero was also responsible though this would be somewhat confusing for Scorpion as, if we go by the vow thing, Scorpion would know that the younger Sub-Zero can be merciful. However, since Scorpion's MKDA bio states that he's been after Sub-Zero for many years, it would negate the idea that Quan Chi framed the younger Sub-Zero.

The whole amulet ordeal is still confusing. For a long time, I had thought that Shinnok had created it, but apparently, it was something he discovered a long, long time ago. It's one of MK's largest plotholes in the story. I think that because we don't find out what secrets Sub-Zero knows and that we don't see any real application of them, it kind of makes his story seem rather weak.

And as for the Older Sub-Zero/Sareena thing, perhaps something happened during their fight that made Sub-Zero decide not to kill her. Perhaps that since Sareena saw him as the golden opportunity to finally escape the Netherrealm, she may have not fought with full intensity or something along those lines.

legend_armlet Wrote:
Just 2 interesting questions:

When did Sub-Zero restart to recreate the Lin Kuei for a force of good?
What is it right after MK 4/ Gold or between MK4 and MKDA?

And is it because Sektor sees human inferiors than cyborg he tried to conquer the Lin Kuei?



Sub-Zero reformed the Lin Kuei clan between MK4 and MKDA.

I think Sektor wanted to shape the clan in his image, but since he was defeated by Sub-Zero and forced to flee, he instead created one of his own.
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