Yes, there are clichés in MK, but do we really need one like that? He already has quite a bit of personality as someone that didn't want to get involved in the whole Mortal Kombat tournament and simply wanted to live his life peacefully. The thing is that post-retcon Kung Lao does want to be the hero as can be seen in MKSM and in his MKA ending, regardless if some want to discard it. I still find his original personality far more interesting and distinct than the stereotypical hothead.

About Sub-Zero, well, although he became the Grandmaster of the Lin Kuei, he did leave them in MKDA to go on the mission to help take down the Deadly Alliance and their forces. He didn't return until he found his way back to Earthrealm. I would rather leave Frost out of the Lin Kuei thing. I like her, but it's perhaps better if she were to be killed off. Regarding the Cryomancer thing, I believe for that to work, there has to be some story element that acts as a catalyst for him to be involved with that type of thing. I'm not sure if you've read XiahouDun84's next-gen MK stories, Mortal Kombat: Rebirth and Mortal Kombat: Korruption, but if not, well, he incorporates that sort of thing with Sub-Zero's story and does it in an effective way.

I guess part of why I hate Moloch has to do with when fighting against him. He's a real pain in the ass in both MKDA and MKA. Then there are his annoying mannerisms with the howling and victory pose. And then we have his character shown a bit in MKD's Konquest, which doesn't do anything to really change my opinion on him.

Yes, there are clichés in MK, but do we really need one like that? He already has quite a bit of personality as someone that didn't want to get involved in the whole Mortal Kombat tournament and simply wanted to live his life peacefully. The thing is that post-retcon Kung Lao does want to be the hero as can be seen in MKSM and in his MKA ending, regardless if some want to discard it. I still find his original personality far more interesting and distinct than the stereotypical hothead.

Yeah but that personality is already shared by common warriors and allies such as Stryker, its not really that special, and like I said, it doesn’t seem that the team is fully aware of that particular element of his character, reason why its possible to predict that him being the hero would just be Liu Kang with a smaller twist (Im not saying I know it, just saying its likely, and I hope Im wrong).

Whatever the case, post-retcon Kung Lao only sucks (to me) because of his desire to be Mks champion, not his bitchy attitude. I prefer his Mk3 views, but he lacks charisma.

About Sub-Zero, well, although he became the Grandmaster of the Lin Kuei, he did leave them in MKDA to go on the mission to help take down the Deadly Alliance and their forces. He didn't return until he found his way back to Earthrealm. I would rather leave Frost out of the Lin Kuei thing. I like her, but it's perhaps better if she were to be killed off. Regarding the Cryomancer thing, I believe for that to work, there has to be some story element that acts as a catalyst for him to be involved with that type of thing. I'm not sure if you've read XiahouDun84's next-gen MK stories, Mortal Kombat: Rebirth and Mortal Kombat: Korruption, but if not, well, he incorporates that sort of thing with Sub-Zero's story and does it in an effective way.

Tell me you are joking...because saying its better for Frost to be killed off its way off, imo, specially considering her current position. She still has loads to do, and her story is developing very nicely in so little time. Sure this Mk might mean the end of her, but hopefully its not, because I see Frost as a serious potential threat to the Lin Kuei, not just a one-time-thing. With a bit of luck and imagination, she could be able to turn things upside down for development, and that something that would help greatly the story of the Lin kuei and others, assuming they tie her with guys like Mavado, Noob Saibot, and Sektor.

We haven't really gotten insight into Stryker's personality, something that will likely and hopefully be explored a bit in his MKA bio. What makes pre-retcon Kung Lao better is that he didn't want to deal with the burdens of being the Mortal Kombat Champion if he were to have taken part in the tournament and won. That is something that Stryker didn't have to worry about. Post-retcon Kung Lao's attitude is not very Shaolin-like at all, and his development in MKSM didn't really do anything to make his character grow.

The reason why I think Frost would be better off dead is because of the fact that this generation's storyline will be wrapped up with MKA. If this generation's storyline would've continued on, I would've liked Frost to continue. If she does return, I definitely want Sub-Zero, Sareena, and Noob Saibot to return as well. She could be a good ally to Noob Saibot as they have a common enemy in Sub-Zero and the Lin Kuei. There could be exploration in the whole Cryomancer thing.

However, it's all a matter of which characters come back and the directions being taken with certain characters' stories. Overall, it's rather iffy to me when it comes to Frost.

*pounds on keyboard*

I can type too!

I'm just going to jump into the bits that interest me the most about MKDA seeing as how everything else has been pretty well covered.

1. The Lin Kuei.
Specifically Frost. I really enjoyed her character as the young apprentice trying to prove herself to her master. But her ending took the easy route and had her betraying Sub-Zero so she could gain the power of the dragon medallion for herself. You have no idea how bummed out I was by that. Another betrayal? Again? For power? Again? I couldn't shake the feeling that I had seen this ending several times already. How boring.
Then Sub-Zero's ending shows him carrying a wounded Frost back to the Lin Kuei temple. For a while there people had reasoned that perhaps both Frosts' and Sub-Zero's endings were canon and that despite betraying him, Sub-Zero was going to save her life. YES! Perhaps upon waking up in the Lin Kuei temple with her sifu by her side, she would realize how grievously wrong she was and feel true shame. Perhaps Frost could be redeemed into a noble character after all!

But no. Her MKA appearance flushed that right down the crapper. Instead she's placed in a burial chamber and left for dead. Upon waking up she wants revenge on Sub-Zero.Revenge? Because it was soooooooo his fault that she screwed herself over with the dragon medallion. So, out for revenge on a single-minded quest to get even with someone that's not really responsible for your current situation. Is there an echo in here, because I swear I've heard this story before. Maybe she should trade in her blue uniform for a yellow one.

The only saving grace of this been-there, done-that storyline is Sareena. Like Xiahoudun said, I love the irony that the demon assassin from Hell turns out to be the one that Sub-Zero can trust. The fact that, so far, there has been no mention of any interaction between Frost and Sareena is a loss for MK fans. Still, considering that Sareena's involvement in MKDA overlapped the time that Frost was still up and walking around means there must have been some interaction. Perhaps it became part of the reason why Frost stole the dragon medallion. Doubtful, but if Sareena suddenly swooped in and left Frost feeling neglected or cast aside by her sifu, then it could factor in.

I see Sareena's involvement playing one more important role to the story. It makes sense that she would be the one to relay the news to Sub-Zero that his older brother was in fact Noob Saibot. I don't care what MKSM says, this was a huge revelation only just recently discovered and for Sareena to be the one to deliever this key information would help cement her worth amongst the Lin Kuei.

That's all for now.

Yeah, Stryker needs a lot of development and I sure hope MKA does justice to him (poor poor Jarek), but we have gotten some interesting (small) insight into Strykers personality, surely not much, but the small bits of him being ignorant of everything, of him not knowing why and what he is doing there, his confusion...it feels very authentic.

As for Frost, well, considering how sad and bad and incomplete MKA was, I sure as hell hope that was NOT the end of this era, because it would be a very sad way to end things. And even if it is, I don’t see what stops Frost from coming back into that plot/story. Because if it’s the end of this era, in someway, it should also be the end of the Noob-Sub-Sareena-Lin Kuei plot as we know it, and if those are to return, Frost can easily kick her way in with a nice twist.

But yeah, I do understand what you mean.

I've only read the first page, but I've got to hand it to you. ( XD that is) because, this not only took a lot of time, but I kinda smiled while reading this thread. It's great, and stuff. Why? because I agree! *claps* With everything, for that matter.

At any rate, it's nice to know that people actually put some sensible thought into the game, and think more than just, "FIGHT!" or, "OMG HE'S TEH KOOL," ya know?

High five for you.

(I personally dislike Kang, and Kitana... Always have. [Kitana, I liked until roughly UMK3], so I could comfortably see either, if not both of them go.



- I haven't much gotten into MKA, just finally playing it, as I borrowed it from a co-worker, so I don't know much about Zombie Kang... But I feel we could have done without. And I probably will until I find out otherwise, for myself)

Even though I don't have an abundance of time right now to post in this thread like I'd like, I love reading peoples opinions and ideas....So I also like to rate this thread...Even if everyone in here is "high-ranked" already. Just makes sense to rate in here anyway......to me.



Most would say...."trust your instinct" on this one. lol I won't give away much, but you'll see.

Welcome btw. I haven't seen you before....

Okay, about Reptile:

At first I couldn't believe what was happening to my favorite green ninja. He didn't look remotely human, his konquest bio had him fighting imaginary foes and generally bumbling every job he was given. I figured he had been written into the role of court jester; the comedy relief. When I saw his ending though, and you must remember that we didn't know a thing about Deception yet, I was exstatic. I figured that Reptile had been transformed into the Dragon King himself. Now it makes sense! Show him at his lowliest just before elevating him to the status of Outworld Emperor!

I didn't figure that he would end up as the vessel for the spirit of the Dragon King, so that was kind of a bummer. But the way MKDA ended had me excited, so no foul there.

Even with the reality of Deceptions' story stomping on Reptile's ascension to power, it does retain that bit of sympathy that I always had for him. And it does help reinforce the 2nd arc of Reptile's life. The first arc being MK 1-4 in which Reptile is in constant service to Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn or Shinnok. He seems incapable of living without a master to serve, especially as evidenced in his MKDA konquest.

In MKDA he literally wanders about aimlessly after the death of Shao Kahn looking for a new master to serve. He finds his master in the form of Nitara, who seems to help put his life back together despite her limited interest in him. One key scene I thought was when he began having delusions of killing Shang Tsung and impaled Nitara with his kirehashi (thinking she was really Shang- yes he's that crazy at this point). He remarks that he is VERY surprised that Nitara didn't kill him on the spot. and states that Shao Kahn wouldn't have thought twice about it. Oh yeah, I think of Nitara's impaling as canon. She's a vampire. She can shrug it off, yes?

At this moment he seems to have the faintest hint of a life better than what he was used to. He's getting a sense of life without Shao Kahn and it feels good. So when it turns out that Nitara was only using Reptile to get to Cyrax, Reptile is again feeling betrayed and useless.

But again, it's all these events coming together whether by design or coincidence, that seem to all be pushing Reptile in one direction; taking charge of his own life and being master of his own fate. For the first time we see Reptile embark on a course of action of his own choosing and it leads him to the incubation chamber where the last great dragon egg is kept. And suddenly he's granted unbelievable power.

I saw this and thought- it's really happening! Reptile is finally taking charge! He's doing something with his life!

In regards to Nitara- I really like her. I thought she was a great addition to the cast. I like how even when she helps out Reptile or Cyrax, she's constantly manipulating them. Yes, she kept her word and sent Cyrax back to Earth-realm, which to me gives her a sense of honor. At the same time, it's just awesome that Cyrax never realized that it was because of Nitara's scheming and manipultion of Reptile that caused him to be stranded in Outworld in the first place.
We see this again with Reptile. She befriends Reptile and imparts critical information to him (the location of Kitana's base camp). She also gives him the kirehashi and with it- the hope that she knows something about his long lost race of raptors. At the time it seems completely benevolent. A new friend imparting wisdom and gifts with no strings attached.
Considering that Nitara's entire plan hinged on the hope that she could delay Reptile long enough to allow Shang and Quan Chi to assassinate Shao Kahn was risky. If Kahn had lived, and Reptile returned with the information about Kitana's location, it could've ended the resistance then and there. Risky game she plays, but she's just SO- DAMN- GOOD AT IT!

Finally finished reading the rest of these huge posts. *checks watch* It's been an hour and a half. Cripes. Anyway! Queve, I swear to all that is good and holy, the next time you say, "I don't have much to add to that," and then type out 10 more paragraphs- I am going to personally break your typing fingers. Not really, c'mon now!



Must disagree. It says a lot about Goro that he went into hiding after his defeat in MK1 and that he ONLY re-surfaced when he learned that Kahn had begun targetting the Shokan for extinction. And nothing says he became any less of a badass with a short temper just because he's fighting against his old boss now.
The whole situation gave a lot of development to Kitana, Goro and the Shokan as a whole. I only wish I could've seen Goro and Kintaro together. You never see those guys working with each other. Ever. Sucks.

But then to suddenly have Goro back on Shao Kahn's side??? WTF is that about? And not just him. Kintaro and Sheeva seem to have broken away from their fellow Shokan to serve on the side of evil too. I can't imagine the reasoning for this (unless Kintaro, Sheeva and Goro all died, wound up in the Netherrealm, and were forced into service- which... makes no sense because in MKA's Konquest, they had thrown Shinnok right out of his own spire... even though it was a set-up... but it's not like they liked him anyway, so if they thought they had a real chance of kicking his ass, they'd probably take it.) No, you know what- it's all screwed up. Goro serving Kahn again seems like some idiot played MK1 and thought it would be cool to take Goro back to his badass villain days. Well thank-you for that. Guess we can throw all his character development for the past several years right out the window. Goro now is practically irredeemable IMO. It could be done, but it shouldn't have even come to this. It shouldn't be necessary to save Goro. He was such a great character for the longest time, and it's only because of MKA that he's all screwed up (barring MKD on the GameCube, since I have no idea what his story for that one was).

RARRGGGHH!!!!

I have a couple questions concerning Shinnok//Quan Chi and some time line stuff...

What I know is:

1. Shinnok created the amulet....

The question here is "When?" Was it before the realms were created or sometime after? And if it was created before the realms, could it have been used as an instrument to subdue the One Being?

I mean, I guess I'm not understanding "more power" for Shinnok, especially when he was already an Elder God, one of an elite group of the highest powered beings in existence anyway....What the hell did he want//need more for? It wasn't enough to be a contributor to the creation of the realms?

2. Shinnok spent some "millenia" in the Nether, and eventually overthrew Lucifer for reign. Another thing I know, was that "Thousands" of years ago, the war of the gods happened.

The question here is, am I confusing "When" he was banished? Thousands of years ago after he lost the battle of the Gods to Raiden, or millenia ago? Or is this just another plot-hole?

How could he have been in the Nether for a millenia, if the battle of the gods happened only "thousands" of years ago? Figurative speech you think?

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Answers to these^^ things will help me answer a question or two I have concerning Quan Chi directly. Like:

1. Is Quan Chi millions of years old, thousands, or hundreds?

2. Where does his knowlege of the amulet come from before he actually meets Shinnok?

I'm writing a small book about Raiden and even though I've researched these things quite a bit, I still haven't any solid info to stand on pertaining to these matters. I'm stuck in chapter 5 of the rough draft. Now I could continue full fiction, but I'm trying to coo berate alot of cannon information from the games, in-to my story.

Thank you.

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I'd like to request permission from this thread's auther. I wish to post this storyline analysis on a website I created solely for the purpose of documenting the complete MK storyline. If you let me do this, I would definatly give credit where credit is due.

Here's the site:

www.freewebs.com/kanonkombat/

good day

Regarding the ancient war against Shinnok, I think it did happen millions of years ago since Shinnok's MK4/MKG ending implies that he's been imprisoned in the Netherrealm for millions of years. Also, Reptile's MK2 bio states that he comes from a race that was thought to have been extinct millions of years ago. And if this is true and since it seems that the hibernation of Taven and Daegon occured before the war against Shinnok, it would seem that Shao Kahn is millions of years old.

To XiahouDun84: Take your time. I know you have a lot to do, and I know what it's like to gather the focus to making such replies.

Okay, sure.

Thanks you, I posted what you have so far on my website.

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Hey! Its great to finally read your thoughts:

About Liu Kang:

While I can see and agree with what your points about his flaws are, in all honestly Kitana doesn’t really help him that much. If they decided to kill her, he would still be the same Liu but without the lover, instead you would have a frustrated boring hero looking to avenge the death of his “love one”, OR a very interested hero finally getting over that story and develop some sort of dark side to him because of it, or maybe, not even because of it, finally letting her go. Typical?, maybe, but much better then having him stay with Kitana the way it seems they are doing it, because both feel bland. The bond between them does sound interesting though, and that’s were Im laying my hopes on. Maybe it wont hold Kitana to him like you think, maybe it will expand them both.

What Im trying to say is, that Liu Kang disserves a hell of a lot more credit then you and some others are giving him. Sure he had the stale hero thing going on for about 4 games. But thanks to his death and the whole zombie thing and his inner struggle and his manipulated corruption, hideous acts, alignment with Ermac, inspiration for Bo Rai Cho in the war, etc etc etc, he has pretty much grown out of that stale state he had fallen into. Maybe not as much to say he is perfect, but just good enough to say it’s an excellent start.

It all depends on what they decide to do with him in future. Honorable death sounds like the best option, unless he is brought back as some other force that doesn’t give him the “hero title”. I still disagree with you on the zombie thing, because that too can be developed. Like I said, and its pretty obvious anyways, they have just started with that version, and if we consider the possibility that they will actually keep this plot and develop it farther in future games, then you will see the character development you crave. Image Liu staying as a Zombie, or being conscious of his zombie state...there’s a mine of golden creativity there, one just has to look good enough to spot it. We couldn’t have expected to see the change that instantly in MKD (even though his bios in that game were a very good start) because of his situation and the way the bios are narrated.

About Kung Lao:

Like I have always said, I have more love for Kung Lao then for Liu Kang, Kung Lao is actually among my faves. But sorry, despite the depth you seem to find in his character, the thing is that he is just not brilliant enough to make me go wow in terms of comparing him to Kang, but he is insipid enough to feel like Liu Kang.

Like I said, Im happy with the arrogant and annoyed Kung Lao, because the reassured “I don’t want to be the hero Kung Lao” was barely noticeable. It was like he was going no-where. Like he was there, but no one noticed.

But I DO dislike the huge change they gave him by wanting him to be the hero, and at the same time, feel so naïve or silly. That’s the part I agree with you, and that’s something they should had never done. An arrogant and annoyed Kung Lao who cares rats about being the hero is perfect. That’s what they should ha done. But all this talk about him being so great in the past feels rather colorless, because, well, that was never really developed enough to feel crucial, or to feel like it was something we will all miss greatly.

Don’t get me wrong, I too wish things would had ended differently. Im still hoping they keep him arrogant, but for the best of his character, make him be elegant in his position, and not care at all about being a hero. That’s a lot more interesting and deeper then what you or Sub-Zero_7th crave for.

About Sub-Zero:

Yeah, he is in a great position. We pretty much agree in almost everything about him, but still, I see nothing special in Mk4 or Mk2 Sub-Zero. Whether he was starting to integrate or not with the group matters little, because his overall story was just as fantastic as the ones you and others complain about.

About Kitana:

I agree, though I woulnt worry too much about the Edenia thing, sure its holding her down and she needs a bomb of development like almost all the other characters need, but its still working fine for her, so its not something that’s destroying her. That’s why I think she is going great despite not being deeply developed. And like said, Im very interesting in the bond they created for her and Liu (MKA), I guess I just have the hope it wont be anything stupid or predictable, or some clichéd thing we have seen already. I don’t know, but the sound of Nightwolf transferring this power and all, it just sounds cool. I hope its great. About the flagship thing, its been pretty much discuss to huge lengths, opinions and facts in that other thread so I wont continue that here.

About Sonya:

I agree on the Jax bit! Sounds fantastic imo. And that’s a theory I had proposed long before MkDA. The possibility of these two engaging in battle would rock, and yes, give both development. I guess we will need to wait to see what evil or what psychological state can give her a sort of different development.

Kitana suffers stress, but it seems Sonya can handle that much better then the other, so that’s discarded. Sonya seems pretty tough and strong in those areas. If anything would really affect it, it has to be a serious conflict with a friend that betrayed her. I might come up with other things later. Maybe even discovering that the OIA is corrupted and playing their cards to the dark side, might give her a new perspective of life without necessarily making her evil. The sort of dark psychological emotions characters like Kitana suffer, don’t seem to be bad enough for her to go crazy or depressed. Too much toughness I guess.

About Scorpion:

LMAO!! You must be joking, Scorpion hasn’t been salvageable for ages! And that thread was done after MKDA. And many others were done after that as well. If anything, I have possibly been one of the strongest criticizers of this long time fan favorite, and I would even dare to say one of the very first, when people were scared to say a word about him for fear of getting eaten by the fanboys. The reason I didn’t go as hard as you two went is because Im frankly tired of discussing him to the lengths I used to. Whats known is known already. Besides, you two already said it for me. Had nothing more to add. My feelings still remain the same as yours, just that I keep the hope that we will see him spark again.

The Champion of the Elder Gods bit smelled like crap since we first heard it, and as I predicted, I was right. And about his ending, that’s subjective. As horrible and sucky as it was, I still see a faint possibility of seeing a different sort of development that involves his son. They practically have no clue on what to do with Scorpion (kill, resurrect, revenge, Quan Chi, etc. its all the same!), so if they are fallowing that rout again, I want to take whats best of it and think that hopefully something good can come out of that negative. If anything, Im being positive and preparing myself not to be disappointed.

Don’t think I don’t want to see him in a new direction, I surely do. I just don’t expect that to happen soon, as much as I hope, because, well, it feels unlikely.

About Shao Kahn:

Yeah, I have agreed that as much as I love Kahn, I want him to go. And as for who should kill him, I still say Sindel. And now that I think about it, Mileena making the final blow would be a lot more epic, brutal, unexpected, give her development, add depth, and she pretty much has a lot of reasons like Kitana to do so. Not saying Kitana cant do it, sure she can, but the role suits Mileena and Sindel just as good or better. That’s just my opinion. If Kitana kills Kahn in the end, then that’s very good! And it would surely work nicely since she has very good reasons to do so, but that doesn’t mean she is the one who disserves it the most, because the other two are pretty much just as ruined because of Kahn. Mileenas whole life is more pitiful then Kitanas.

About Mileena:

I see your point, you could be right, Im open minded, but I still stand with what I said. She has proven to be more then just Kitanas foe. Mileena has grown a lot in very little time. That’s awesome.

About Kano:

LOL! Baraka cant even be compared with Kano on the slightest. Sure they have that “I work for you” thing in common, but theres just no doubt that Kano has grown much more then just that. With you in this, I absolutely disagree, especially with what you imply about him being lucky only because he was among the original 7. By believing this you fail to see how good he is.

Baraka just sits and does as told, playing the game as supposed. Kano plays around in the field but cheats by making his own game and creating his own rules. You underestimate Kano too much.

On the anti-thesis characters:

Ohhhh, interesting. I seem to be getting the idea of this. Thanks for the info! though I don’t think all characters need an anti-thesis. Sounds like something extra to give them a spark.

About Goro:

Perhaps turning Goro good was not as bad as I picture it, the thought of it makes me puke because he COULD had been greatly developed by still being evil. I never saw him as a stupid muscle beast with no brains anyways, so that was not a problem. But the fact is that he was turned bad after turning good, and I dare to say I would kill myself if he is back in MK8 as a good character again at the heroes side.

As much as I love him, same with Kahn, Goro needs to say good bye. He is one of those trademark original heroes of the game, but, well, they messed up with him pretty badly.

About the future protagonists:

Johnny Cage as a protagonist: Yes.
Johnny cage as the main hero: While possible, I too say no. Its not necessary at all. I believe I said he can be developed more into the main protagonists category, which is exactly what should be done if they fallow his story, because they gave him that spark in MKA.

I guess you see it as closure like Sub-Zero_7th because neither o you hope much of Cage, but the other fans see this as an opportunity to size and give him the role he so rightfully disserves. Whether Cage haters like it or not, his role in MKA has become a prominent spotlight, and I cant wait to see when we are revealed he was tricked. More power to his character development if that’s ever done. So I guess its all subjective as well. He is very much in the line of protagonists if this in not his final MK, and if they develop him to tie with more stuff.

About Kenshi, I guess we will have to wait and see. He is main hero potential/material.

About Shaolin Monks:

Don’t worry, not harsh at all, especially considering they did screw a cool storyline. They disserve it. You tell them man!

But sorry, I think you *do* care, especially because it affects your favorite characters. Saying its not cannon wont change the facts. And well, whether you like to accept it or not, the fact is that it is considered cannon by them. Some things can still be debatable, but they made sure to imply Kitana was always under a spell, that Kung Lao had always wanted to be hero, Rayden not participating in MK1, that Goro was not defeated as it was supposed to, etc etc etc. It sucks, but it feels like most of those elements are true. At least the essentials remain intact.

About Sonya Vs Kano in MK1:

Nicely put, honestly, sounds like you gave a lot of thought on this, but still, its all broad assumptions. While it does sound good in theory, the final effect we have seen in the games make it pass by as insignificant.

And that sucks, because if they knew just how much people like you, me and others care for the story, how much talent we have to develop deeply into the characters and world of Mk, they would hire us. They should.

About Reptiles banishment in MK4:

Understood.

About Rains ending in MKU:

Yeah, it is a waste of drama, and I repeat, they should hire us. But if they did throw that away, I wouldn’t care because with his recent development, he has a more and lot of great stuff going on for him. Excellent actually, they just need to develop it nicely.

About Sindels effect in Shao Kahn:

I always enjoy reading your theories even though I might disagree or think most of them are just assumptions.

The whole “Sindel is the key” story was broadly referred to the fact that she was reborn in a world where he had no authority, but making her reborn in that world gave him the authority he needed to claim it as his own. If Sindel later decided to divorce the bastard, he still had power over our world, so I don’t see how the “Shao Kahn + Sindel by his side = Onaga + Kamidogu” example really fits.

I would agree if some mention of it, or slight hint would had been told. But Sindel getting good was only Shao Kahn loosing an ally, not a Kamidogu. Get what I mean?

Your theory is interesting though, I just find it unlikely. And well, I wouldn’t want what happened to Onaga happen to Kahn, that example just takes away credibility from Kahn. In that game, he is perfect the way we picture him.

On Raiden, the "hero trinity," and a note on the movies:

You are not mistaking when you say I like the interpretation of the Mk film, but that’s just simply because of the fact, that at that time (SF, SMB, etc), one couldn’t really expect anything great from a movie based on a videogame, so the final outcome was excellent. That made me happy.

But you are gravely mistaking by suggesting I don’t see it as “much wasted potential and cookie-cutter storytelling”. While I like the movie, I HATE IT for not being the real MK story that it should be! The many times I have complained about the way the movie should had been are innumerable, and the many things said are not worth telling, because just like the Scorpion subject, I have already said a lot, and this doesn’t seem to be the thread to discuss the films.

If you think about it, Rayden fighting and being mentor wouldn’t really have changed much in MK1, because, well, that sort of character has been seen in the past anyways. Its not really anything new or shocking, nor it would had added any depth, its almost equal to the mentor character who doesn’t fight because in the end, one feels like one doesn’t care about it because he did fight after that anyways. He fought. He guided. He did both. No big deal there.

Cant wait for MKD and MKSM. I still have loads of deep theories and interesting ideas to talk about.



LOL! Thanks, I guess. I just love writing about Mk. You wouldn’t believe the many ideas and theories I have created as well as the many well developed and deply analized storylines.

To X84: That's an interesting thought on the whole Sindel/Shao Kahn thing in MK3. Regarding Kitana, there is possibly another path she could take at the end of Armageddon, such as a diplomatic figure, often getting out of Edenia although still representing it.

To queve: I personally don't like the zombie thing too much. Why bother bringing it back? If it were to return, it would be better off as an NPC. For Kitana to die is kind of dumb, namely because Liu Kang's spirit won't last forever in the living realms, so he'll soon ascend to the Heavens. For Kitana to die would likely lead to some happily ever after in the afterlife type ending, which I don't much like the sound of. Even if Liu Kang does return, with a better story, is it really worth it? Yes, I like the bits with his alliance with Ermac, and inspiring Bo' Rai Cho, but that's not enough, imo. It's almost like Johnny Cage's story and character upgrade in MKA. It's just not enough for me as it came at this final game for the current generation.

Hot-headed Kung Lao simply doesn't work for me and is detrimental to Shaolin beliefs anyway. I disagree when you say that Kung Lao's reluctance was barely noticeable. It was evident in the MK2 comic book as well as his MKG story. Also, you'd think that Kung Lao, a great Shaolin warrior and the descendant of the Original Kung Lao, would be the one to represent the Shaolin in the Mortal Kombat tournament, yet he doesn't.

Him being arrogant and hot-headed does nothing for him as a character in a positive way, especially if he were to still be like that now, namely as that would represent a lack of character development. At least with his pre-retcon self, there is a development, in which he does take part in becoming a hero and even steps up in MKDA. I don't think you realize that him not wanting to be a hero was something that was evident in his pre-retcon self. I don't see how the Kung Lao you like is far deeper and more interesting. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

About Sub-Zero, I think you fail to notice the subtlety in his MK2 and MK4 stories. In MK2, it might not seem like much, but then we have Scorpion's ending, which reveals that this Sub-Zero has a sense of mercy and compassion to him, despite being a warrior assassin for the Lin Kuei. Then there's his MK4 story, in which Sub-Zero dons the costume that his brother wore (or one that looks like it) in order to honor him, since his older brother once fought against Shinnok and Quan Chi, refusing to join them. MK4 also marks the end of the Sub-Zero/Scorpion rivalry.

Sonya's toughness isn't enough. I'm actually more fond of the idea to have a Sonya/Kira rivalry, which would lead to Sonya becoming smarter, wiser, more tactical, things like that.

Anything involving Scorpion's family being around or at least his son doesn't sound like a good idea to me, namely because Scorpion should put his past behind him and move on, otherwise, his soul will never be on its way to resting in peace.

I kind of have to disagree on the Kahn thing. I think Kitana should be the main one to kill him, namely because that would make her story come full circle. With Sindel and Mileena, we don't really get the kind of journey that Kitana has had, especially with Kitana escaping from Kahn's forces in MK3 and siding with the Earthrealm heroes.

I can kind of see what you mean regarding Kano, but at the same time, what has Kano actually achieved as a character? The highest thing I can think of is becoming of one Shao Kahn's generals. But even then, it's not all that interesting. Then we have his current story, which is garbage and would only lead to more garbage if he did become some kind of half man/half black dragon type creature.

About Goro, I think you mean one of the original villains of the game. You have to understand that Goro is simply a character who is trying to provide the best for his people, hence why he sided with Shao Kahn long ago and after his near death experience.

Cage's story in previous games, especially MK4 and MKDA are extremely shallow and boring. So for him to have a prominent role in MKA is something that comes rather late, as if he finally woke up and smelled the coffee. Even if he does return and becomes a main protagonist, is it worth it? It's almost in the same ballpark as with Liu Kang, whose story has also been pretty bland overall.

Although I like Kenshi, you haven't really explained just how he is main hero material or has the potential for such.

That's all for now. I look forward to the MKD discussion.

To queve: I personally don't like the zombie thing too much. Why bother bringing it back? If it were to return, it would be better off as an NPC. For Kitana to die is kind of dumb, namely because Liu Kang's spirit won't last forever in the living realms, so he'll soon ascend to the Heavens. For Kitana to die would likely lead to some happily ever after in the afterlife type ending, which I don't much like the sound of. Even if Liu Kang does return, with a better story, is it really worth it? Yes, I like the bits with his alliance with Ermac, and inspiring Bo' Rai Cho, but that's not enough, imo. It's almost like Johnny Cage's story and character upgrade in MKA. It's just not enough for me as it came at this final game for the current generation.

You misunderstood the post. I was expressing the point that if Kitana were to die, the effect would be either inconsequential or imperative depending on how they guide his character, meaning that he doesn’t depend on Kitana nor need her as much as some think. And yes, if you read again, I did say I rather him go to another life and die, period. But if he is to be back, the zombie thing can be developed nicely, because that has just started. Again, I was stating the point that a lot of credit is being ignored for Liu Kang (and he isn’t exactly a main fave of mine), I do think he disserves some notable mentions in a role that is being classified as poor by many.

And whether people like it or not, happy endings are bound to happen, even in MK. And cliché typically forms part of those. Sure we can be tragic and destroy Kang adding some cool story development, it would be sad for a character that has fought and lived so much, and that would rock! But still, a happy ending isn’t out of the question, no matter how cliché it sounds to you, because the possibility is there, and his character disserves it after all. Maybe it doesn’t feel enough for you (about his story), but it certainly feels enough for other fans. For me, it doesn’t really matter. If he dies in a negative or positive way, its cool, I rather him go. But if he is to go back, its also cool only if they develop him, because his role does seem unnecessary for now. It feels like it lived his course.

Hot-headed Kung Lao simply doesn't work for me and is detrimental to Shaolin beliefs anyway.

Exactly what makes him interesting.

And anyways, he has been known to abandon his beliefs. He could had done so at that time as well, he is human after all. The problem is that it screws his MKDA storyline slightly, which sucks because that one is nice. Maybe if some event happened between Mk3, maybe that could work. But then we have MKA, well, most endings are crap there, so lets just hope for a decent bio.

I disagree when you say that Kung Lao's reluctance was barely noticeable. It was evident in the MK2 comic book as well as his MKG story. Also, you'd think that Kung Lao, a great Shaolin warrior and the descendant of the Original Kung Lao, would be the one to represent the Shaolin in the Mortal Kombat tournament, yet he doesn't.

Yes, it was there. But so little was said and done about it, that I hardly feel it. It needed some sort of spark. It was like, a rock with buried potential. Too cold to notice, just kind of indifferent. I just reread his Mk2, Mk3 and MKG bios...they are insipid in that aspect of his personality, don’t see whats so great there. Yes, maybe his MKG ending helps, and MKDA could had accentuated that. Warning: Im not saying his character sucks, don’t get that wrong. Kung Lao is great on my book.

I don't think you realize that him not wanting to be a hero was something that was evident in his pre-retcon self. I don't see how the Kung Lao you like is far deeper and more interesting. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I do realize it, please read, I said countless of times already. Him wanting to be the hero SUCKS, I already said and repeated that. But I happen to like the arrogant attitude. Not necessarily the way he was portrayed in Shaolin Monks (you should know already that everyone was exaggerated in that game), but just the essential idea that we have a monk who seems to be in struggle with his beliefs and parts away from what he is supposed to be, feel, and open his mind to, because of human emotions, emotions and feelings that can betray anyone, because, after all, he is human.

That can also give hints that he isn’t as prepared as some might think. That makes him real. His overall personality in MKSM is just as ruined as Liu Kangs, Kitanas, Raydens, Shang Tsungs, Reptiles, etc etc etc. Very few characters had a decent portrayal (Johnny Cage, Shao Kahn, Sonya, Jax, Kano, Mileena), so I don’t take his idiotic self that seriously, because, after all, almost everyone were idiotic in that game. Kitana was laughable, Reptile felt like a robot, Rayden spoke like a clichéd recorder in most dialogues, Liu Kang was simply naïve+cliché+dumb, etc. The problem is that you view Kung Lao exactly like he was shown in MKSM, and he, like the rest, was fake. Bad dialogue really doesn’t help. He is another cliché. I view him with the arrogance, but partly, thinking what the main idea was intended to be, and hoping they failed to do it right so they exaggerated.

So yeah, a character that feels human and real does give depth. Like I said, an arrogant and kind of annoying monk struggling to live to the expectations of his order, find peace in his heart towards Liu Kang, BUT NOT CARE about being a hero (that’s the thing they ruined completely, the thing I totally agree with you), yeah, that is much better then the insipid Kung Lao we had. I guess we agree to disagree if you don’t like it.

About Sub-Zero, I think you fail to notice the subtlety in his MK2 and MK4 stories. In MK2, it might not seem like much, but then we have Scorpion's ending, which reveals that this Sub-Zero has a sense of mercy and compassion to him, despite being a warrior assassin for the Lin Kuei. Then there's his MK4 story, in which Sub-Zero dons the costume that his brother wore (or one that looks like it) in order to honor him, since his older brother once fought against Shinnok and Quan Chi, refusing to join them. MK4 also marks the end of the Sub-Zero/Scorpion rivalry.

I guess my feelings towards this is the same as yours about Jax finally stepping out of Sonyas shadow and getting a new enemy in MKDA, and the whole deal of the destruction of the OIA: meaning it just isn’t exactly that exciting or great. I suppose its good for his character, but like you said, very subtle...too subtle in Mk2 actually, considering this is another Sub-Zero. A new one, therefore his personality is not a shocker because it’s a new character.

Sonya's toughness isn't enough. I'm actually more fond of the idea to have a Sonya/Kira rivalry, which would lead to Sonya becoming smarter, wiser, more tactical, things like that.

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Well she comes off tough enough not to stumble just yet. Not implying all her toughness is positive in her soul (talking in the fictitious world way), like Rayden implied in the movie, that could very well be her weakness, and that I would love to see in the games.

From what I have seen Sonya seems very smart, tactical and strategic in her plots or missions, military instruction makes it quite obvious as well. If anything she is intolerant with evil and impatient with anything suspicious. Only time I remember her “rushing” with impatience was towards Taven, who she felt was lying, and Frost, who she rightfully suspected. Other then that she is very well disciplined. All the hot-head bit comes mostly from the movies and show, and don’t get me wrong, I love that about her.

Anything involving Scorpion's family being around or at least his son doesn't sound like a good idea to me, namely because Scorpion should put his past behind him and move on, otherwise, his soul will never be on its way to resting in peace.

Like I said, this is the path I prefer for them to fallow. Give him a new direction. But if they don’t, Im actually seeing some positive about his son. Hopefully it doesn’t end up in a cliché with Quan Chi, if they really go on with his ending. I hope not.

I kind of have to disagree on the Kahn thing. I think Kitana should be the main one to kill him, namely because that would make her story come full circle. With Sindel and Mileena, we don't really get the kind of journey that Kitana has had, especially with Kitana escaping from Kahn's forces in MK3 and siding with the Earthrealm heroes.

In that I agree and see your point. Sounds good to me, though I see it more epic if it were Mileena the one to do it, after all, despite her loving her monstrous self, she could finally come to the realization that maybe she isn’t as happy with her self as she proclaims, and that the true source of her depressed life is not Kitana...but Shao Kahn. And that could give her the push she needs to get over her twin.

And Sindel, well: suicide, corrupted daughter that killed and was evil, destroyed realm, murdered husband, dirty unholy resurrection, a mother who has failed, etc etc etc etc. No need to explain.

I can kind of see what you mean regarding Kano, but at the same time, what has Kano actually achieved as a character? The highest thing I can think of is becoming of one Shao Kahn's generals. But even then, it's not all that interesting. Then we have his current story, which is garbage and would only lead to more garbage if he did become some kind of half man/half black dragon type creature.

That is subjective. And we still don’t have his story. Lets wait for the bio. Im personally very intrigued and interested. The bad thing about it though, is that if they make him continue, it means that he wont be dead. And as much as I love him, its honestly TIME to see him go. Sonya needs to get rid of him once and for all.

KILL KANO PLEASE! We love the rude bastard, but enough is enough. He is a thorn that needs to be incinerated. It’s a fact that Kanos era has come to an end as we know it, and he should go the way he disserves: Kissed by fire or spitted by a leg grab...but his ending and konquest imply differently. If he is to return, (as much as I like him I hope Sonya kills him) he better be great.

About Goro, I think you mean one of the original villains of the game. You have to understand that Goro is simply a character who is trying to provide the best for his people, hence why he sided with Shao Kahn long ago and after his near death experience.

LOL. Yeah, thanks for the correction.

No matter how its written, Goro, to me, felt like someone false when good, and like total garbage when he joined Kahn again, so simply, so fast.

Cage's story in previous games, especially MK4 and MKDA are extremely shallow and boring. So for him to have a prominent role in MKA is something that comes rather late, as if he finally woke up and smelled the coffee. Even if he does return and becomes a main protagonist, is it worth it? It's almost in the same ballpark as with Liu Kang, whose story has also been pretty bland overall.

Yeah, it is worth it because we will get the chance to see a new light of Cage for at least one final game before his retirement or death. I too rather see him retire after MKA if they are to mess him up in the future ignoring his MKA ending and bio, but if they are going to make him progress using that MKA personality, then Johnny Cage is a must.

Although I like Kenshi, you haven't really explained just how he is main hero material or has the potential for such.

I did in past threads. Just to summarize: His revealed personality, his visions, his portrayal as someone who seems not to care, but deep inside, he might do so. A troubled man who might need to face some personal obstacles to “open his eyes”. A guy who isn’t exactly a goody goody all that happy to fight. Someone who seems cocky but very intelligent, etc. I can develop more later though, right now Im tired. Plus, he really has the spark and look for hero or anti-hero.

I think Liu Kang should get his happy ending through resting in peace, which I know you agree with.

The problem is that they could've just did that with Kai or some other Shaolin character, namely because it changes something already established in his character into something else.

Then you're simply talking about a different Kung Lao. I still like the Kung Lao that doesn't want to fall into the same trap as his ancestor did, having to deal with the burdens of becoming the Champion. I know you don't like him wanting to be the hero either, but that doesn't mean that he has to be arrogant to be interesting or deep.

Even with MKDA, Jax didn't really step out of Sonya's shadow. In the end, he's still pretty much her sidekick, and the rivalry with Hsu Hao is a 1-note thing.

I'm still pessmistic to the idea of his future story involving his son. He should stay dead, along with Scorpion's wife. If we do have the direction of Scorpion's son returning to life, chances are that it'll involve Quan Chi kidnapping him, hence leading to more bullshit.

You have the same idea as Xia has on Mileena. I'm not saying that Sindel and Mileena don't deserve to have their part in taking him down, but I think that Kitana should be the main person in Shao Kahn's defeat, being beaten by the one who he raised as his own. Sindel should of course have her part in Kahn's defeat. Mileena could help kill Kahn as a means of being able to take control of Outworld herself.

I really doubt that we'll learn anything that's really new or exciting regarding Kano's story. It's pretty much been explained to us through his apperance in Konquest mode as well as his ending. Maybe I am being subjective when I say that his current story is garbage, but then again, how is this really good storytelling? What's so exciting about Kano becoming a black dragon type creature? But yeah, I agree in that he needs to die. He's had his run and I don't see the Sonya/Kano rivalry going anywhere.

I think that Kenshi is much better off developing into a kind of anti-hero, which he sort of seems to be right now, given his MKA bio.

I think Liu Kang should get his happy ending through resting in peace, which I know you agree with.

Yeah, its not exactly what I would want actually (now that I have thought carefully about it), but its truly what he disserves. After all he has done, well, it would just pretty much suck horribly for his character to suffer some tragic and doomed good-bye.

But that would be fantastic story-wise, I guess sacrifices need to be made, it would feel kind of, sad (in a “owww, poor Liu kind” of way), kind of epic, with bits of frustration and a sense that evil really is present, and that despite hard work and good intentions, life just inst fair.

But as awesome as that sounds, I put myself in the shoes of Liu Kang fans and think that if something like that would be done to any of my real great faves, well, I would hate it badly. So yeah, Liu disserves his happy ending. And even though its best it doesn’t involve Kitana, even if it does, I don’t have a problem with that. If done right, the cliché could be passable.

The problem is that they could've just did that with Kai or some other Shaolin character, namely because it changes something already established in his character into something else.

Yeah, you have a very good point there, and I agree.

Then you're simply talking about a different Kung Lao. I still like the Kung Lao that doesn't want to fall into the same trap as his ancestor did, having to deal with the burdens of becoming the Champion. I know you don't like him wanting to be the hero either, but that doesn't mean that he has to be arrogant to be interesting or deep.

Hmmm, I do agree that a character doesn’t necessarily need to be arrogant to be interesting or deep, but for some reason, I think its nice for Kung Lao. I just wish they would have kept his old “I don’t want to be hero, nor do I want any sort of title” personality. Oh, and the jealousy he has towards Liu Kang....yeah, that should had been made different. Not jealous for Liu being champion, perhaps for something else.

Even with MKDA, Jax didn't really step out of Sonya's shadow. In the end, he's still pretty much her sidekick, and the rivalry with Hsu Hao is a 1-note thing.

He didn’t step out to be a complete colorful figure, but he did start to get a color of his own and that’s undeniable, and its been nicely developed through MKU and MKA. His rivalry might had been a 1 note thing, but it was a decent start. For once, Jax was on his own, with an anger of his own, with a mission/goal of his own.

I'm still pessmistic to the idea of his future story involving his son. He should stay dead, along with Scorpion's wife. If we do have the direction of Scorpion's son returning to life, chances are that it'll involve Quan Chi kidnapping him, hence leading to more bullshit.

I have agreed with this point and that’s exactly what I fear. I do hope they do this right if they intend to fallow that story, because in all honesty, almost all the stupid “resurrection” endings in MKA were horrible. Resurrecting an entire clan just feels lame. Same with almost all the endings that involved the entire realms getting screwed or characters suddenly transforming into something else. Yuck. WHAT happened Vogel/Midway/Ed/Mk Team??? WHYYYYYY such insults!!!?

You have the same idea as Xia has on Mileena. I'm not saying that Sindel and Mileena don't deserve to have their part in taking him down, but I think that Kitana should be the main person in Shao Kahn's defeat, being beaten by the one who he raised as his own. Sindel should of course have her part in Kahn's defeat. Mileena could help kill Kahn as a means of being able to take control of Outworld herself.

This idea has been made popular because of Xias redemption fanfic (I believe that’s what its called?) which I have heard but not read at the moment. And I agree its alright. But the more I think of it, the more I think Mileena suits that role. Unexpected ending if she does it for unexpected reasons that make her character evolve (reasons stated in post above). Maybe it could be the other way around, with Kitana fighting Kahn with Sindels help, but Mileena arriving at the most climatic moment to give Kahn a lesson about the consequences of creating unloved clones.

I really doubt that we'll learn anything that's really new or exciting regarding Kano's story. It's pretty much been explained to us through his apperance in Konquest mode as well as his ending. Maybe I am being subjective when I say that his current story is garbage, but then again, how is this really good storytelling? What's so exciting about Kano becoming a black dragon type creature? But yeah, I agree in that he needs to die. He's had his run and I don't see the Sonya/Kano rivalry going anywhere.

The thing is, Im visioning him not like a dull half breed with no brains dragon. Instead, there could be something mystic and even legendary about the sudden transformation. I guess its all a matter of perspective. I personally feel optimistic, BUT I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up like you say it could. That wouldn't really surprise me at all.

And as for Kano and Sonya, the rivalry has gone no where because they have virtually had no contact ever since MK4. So yes, let her kiss him good bye already.

I think that Kenshi is much better off developing into a kind of anti-hero, which he sort of seems to be right now, given his MKA bio.

Agreed! And an Anti-hero suddenly being the hero but not really wanting to but learning certain things that make him mature in mind is just perfect in my book.

I don't think that Kung Lao should be jealous of Liu Kang but should instead have been a bit antagonistic towards Liu Kang for his victory in the tournament, which lead to the death of their fellow Shaolin. I liked how in the MK2 comic, Liu Kang was a bit upset towards Kung Lao due to not being there when the Shaolin needed him the most.

It's more than just not wanting to be a hero and not wanting the title that makes Kung Lao not wanting to take part in the MK tournament. It's also because he doesn't want to follow in the footsteps of his ancestor and be bound to the consequences that come from becoming the Mortal Kombat Champion.

Yeah, Jax had his own little side story, but ultimately, he was helping the heroes take down the Deadly Alliance and their forces. I suppose his MKA story might give him some potential for the next-gen MK games, but I personally don't care to see it be further explored.

I think it's because that Vogel and the other storywriters were told not to bother making bios for MKA that they didn't put much effort into the endings. Vogel wasn't pleased with some of the decisions being made, from not putting bios in the game to the direction of having all of the characters in one game. He really wanted to explain a lot of what happened at the end of MKD and after that.

Either way, I'm not fond of the idea of him becoming a dragon-like creature. It's just kind of silly and isn't a good way to take his story forward. They haven't had contact since the end of MK3, so I think that for their final battle, Kano should be more difficult for Sonya to beat and for him to say things that get to Sonya, regardless of whether or not she returns.

In a way, Kenshi has already stepped into that hero role, if only for MKA. I don't think he necessarily needs to step into the hero role in the next-gen MK games and could still simply be more of an anti-hero character.

I don't think that Kung Lao should be jealous of Liu Kang but should instead have been a bit antagonistic towards Liu Kang for his victory in the tournament, which lead to the death of their fellow Shaolin. I liked how in the MK2 comic, Liu Kang was a bit upset towards Kung Lao due to not being there when the Shaolin needed him the most.

Yeah, I liked that too.

It's more than just not wanting to be a hero and not wanting the title that makes Kung Lao not wanting to take part in the MK tournament. It's also because he doesn't want to follow in the footsteps of his ancestor and be bound to the consequences that come from becoming the Mortal Kombat Champion.

That I know, too, but still, either way they choose to make him fallow, being arrogant doesn’t change that attitude of him. (Yeah, I know they did, but just saying that being arrogant doesn’t necessarily mean him abandoning his attitude about his ancestors footsteps. He could had been arrogant, but still feel the same way about the tournament and the consequences, the fault is they screwed him by making him be an envious hero wanna be.).

Yeah, Jax had his own little side story, but ultimately, he was helping the heroes take down the Deadly Alliance and their forces.

So were the others. Even if more developed, they were still in the same position. That’s why I said they gave him a nice start.

I suppose his MKA story might give him some potential for the next-gen MK games, but I personally don't care to see it be further explored.

I sure do. The possibility of a corrupted Jax is intriguing, specially if this is something he decided on his own (all the anger tips) by a silly mistake of his madness. And well, even if he was corrupted by force (say Sektors capture or Onagas spell), its still a nice development.

It's just kind of silly and isn't a good way to take his story forward.

That we will only know in due course. I do hope you are wrong, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right. After all, a lot of potential has been wasted in the past, or ruined, so Kano wouldn’t be a shock.

In a way, Kenshi has already stepped into that hero role, if only for MKA. I don't think he necessarily needs to step into the hero role in the next-gen MK games and could still simply be more of an anti-hero character.

Exactly.

And after that, I can picture him evolving to be THE hero, but not just the typical one. Hopefully something strange can come as a result. Something original for a hero. I don’t exactly know what it is, but I can see something in Kenshi good enough to make a strange interesting different kind of hero. A real hero, but not so heroic. Not necessarily an anti-hero, but somewhere along that route. It’s a bit complicated to explain. I guess time will tell.

When will you discuss the MKD chapter, XD84?

I know it's difficulter than the other MK games as we still don't know all the MKA bios from the characters that were in MKD/MKU.

are we going to analyize all the plot holes in the mk story?