Either only Scorpion or only Sub Zero would do me a favor, but both of them endlessly having feuds throughout the franchise just to cater to the fans' whims is one of the factors which reduced the mythic, gloomily romantic and intellect-thickling aura of the game almost to zero. That and also not making up mind whether Tsung will kick Liu's ass for good, or the other way round. The important thing is they're both there but, except for MKDA, their relation in each MK game remains unchanged as fuck.

I'd love to see an MK without both Sub-Zero and Scorpion. It be a dream come true (well at least one of many)

That would suck! Scorpion and Sub Zero are the icons of Mortal Kombat al together. When you even think of the word Mortal Kombat you think of Scorpion or Sub Zero. They are both two of the greatest fighters in the MK franchise. A MK game without Scorp or Sub Zero, is like a super mario bros. game without Mario or Luigi .

Fuck 'em.

To be honest, it wouldn't feel right without them.

Sub-zero I care about. I won't lie. Have him be like a wise elder in the next game due to the dragon medallion.

Unless Scorpion can have a storyline other than walking around kicking dirt with his arms crossed...he can go to hell......again.

No big loss with them.

It ain't right without them! I don't see y all of you don't feel the same way!

Dude, sub and scorp isn't EVERY single person's favorite character..

To be honest, it depends on what kind of MK game we're talking about. If we're talking about an MK adventure game that focuses on a certain character or certain characters, then it should be alright. If we're talking about more of the main games as in the main MK fighters, I don't know if I could tolerate an MK game without Sub-Zero. When it comes to Scorpion, on the other hand, yes, I could tolerate it.



I'm a little bit confused as to how you got those ideas. With Scorpion, I could kind of understand if you specify. With Sub-Zero, I have no idea what you're talking about. You said that except for MKDA, their relation in each MK game remains unchanged. Are you talking about the relationship and interaction between Sub-Zero and Scorpion throughout the MK games?

Tolerate it? I'd welcome it! I'd embrace that shit with both arms and soar with it to eternity!

These guys have been in every MK game (save for Scorpion in the base model of MK3; would've love to have had the internet at that time and seen the fanboys flip shit) while some others have only been in one or two. I'd rather see more development of Jade, Shinnok, Fujin, Kai, etc. than watch Sub-Zero be all obsessive about the Lin Kuei or see Scorpion eternally LOOKING for things to seek revenge upon.

"I seek revenge on Sub-Zero!"
"I seek revenge on Quan Chi!"
"I seek revenge on the Elder Gods!"

I'm noticing a pattern here...

And Sub-Zero's storyline has seem to hit a wall. He was running from the Lin Kuei, now he's the grandmaster. As in he owns the shit. What now? Pimp slap Frost when the bitch is gettin' uppity? Beat up Noob when he emerges from some shadow somewhere? Please. The old man just needs to rule his base, relax, and enjoy his senior discount at IHOP.

I basically agree with you about Scorpion. Had they retained some of the other things about his character and put him in the right direction, he could have been significantly better than he is now. Right now, I see Scorpion as a character that has hit rock bottom. To me, he's become that bad.

Now regarding Sub-Zero, you seem to have a lack of understanding regarding his story. You almost make it sound as if Sub-Zero becomes the Grandmaster of the Lin Kuei soon after he tries to escape from them. If you pay attention to his story, he takes leadership of the Lin Kuei years after Shao Kahn's invasion. Sub-Zero wanted to prevent Sektor from taking control of the clan.

Also, he wanted to reshape the clan in his image as a means of showing the world that the Lin Kuei has changed for the better. He's come a long way and has stepped up. Looking back at MK2, he was basically his older brother's replacement and seems to look up to him. Later on, we see Sub-Zero forging his own destiny instead of the Lin Kuei forging it for him. When he becomes the Grandmaster, not only does he take up a leadership role, but he also becomes a mentor and maybe even father-type figure.

About Frost, he sees potential in her and maybe even sees her as if she is like his own daughter. Even when she betrays him, he shows a sense of mercy and compassion. Not only that, but he endures through crap like that and stays strong. About Noob Saibot, well, he wants to save his brother, the man that he looks up to (from what I understand).

Lastly, you bring up Sub-Zero's age and that he's old. This is something that I've noticed from some people who bring this sort of thing up. They make it sound as if he's weak and going to die soon. Some even seem to imply that he continues to rapidly age, which doesn't seem like the case at all.

It's simply that Sub-Zero had to sacrifice his youth in order to wield the power of the Dragon Medallion. If anything, he's a lot more powerful than he was before. What all of this growth of power is leading to has yet to be seen, and that could be the kind of theme that could be used for his next-gen story.

Oh don't get me wrong. I know he couldn't have become grandmaster in a day. That wouldn't be realistic, even by MK standards.
You seem to idolize his journey more than I do. I simply see him as the freeze guy. That's all he ever was to me because his story and design didn't hold much appeal for me.
Though to your credit, the dragon medallion does hold some potential for a future story.

Yes, yes I could.

I don't want them in any game with 'Mortal Kombat' in the title.

Scorpion is badass. He started out from the first MK game. He's an original. Without Scorpion or Sub Zero is retarded! The coolest person in the game would be Kung Lao. To many MK fans a Mortal Kombat game wit out scorp or sub the game would be a failure like MK special forces.

I would be surprised not to see em, but wouldn't mind too much. But I would hope that at least a two of the original 7 would appear in the game they don't show up in, otherwise it wouldn't be true MK game in my mind.

Speak for yourself. I loathe Scorpions guts, and somewhat tolerate Sub-Zero.

They never did it for me, never thought they would be as "cool" as others.

Well I do actually like Sub-Zero but I wanted opinions on him as well because he's about the same as Scorpion fan wise. I really do like Sub-Zero, last generation really did good things for him story wise. Scorpion is the one I think that needs to sit out for a game or two, he's all around boring. I mean if the MK team decides to split the MK series in two and do the main mk games and mkvsdc games, then let Scorpion run around in the MKVSDCU franchise for a while and have MK8 focus on other characters who havn't been expanded. I think splitting the series in two is good, that way if your fav is killed off in the main games they can still be in the MKVSDCU games.

Sorry, but if you don't care about his storyline, why would you say "his storyline hit the wall"? This has nothing to do with him being "the freeze guy".

I would love to see a Mortal Kombat game finally leave out Sub Zero and Scorpion. I think that the two characters have been over-used, they're in every single MK game from MK1 up to MK VS DC. Scorpion was left out of MK3 and I thought it was actually pretty good to see him gone for a while, but then UMK3 came out and there he was again! I think that Boon and the MK team just over exposes the two characters and figure that everyone likes the two characters so they place them in every game and leave out other characters that seem to be neglected constantly. I actually get mad when I see an MK game that doesn't have either Smoke, Sektor or Cyrax. Smoke's my favorite and yet he's only been in MK3, UMK3, MKT, MKD, and MKA. Compare that to other characters like Scorpion who has been in MK, MK2, UMK3, MKT, MK4, MK Gold, MKDA, MKD, MK Shoalin Monks, MKA and MK VS DC. I would love to see Smoke's story more developed, instead I'm left wondering what the hell's going on with him. The same goes with Cyrax and Sektor, they're great characters who are left out a lot because Boon wants to exploit Sub Zero and Scorpion even more. Sub Zero has been in every Mortal Kombat game, but I can tolerate him a little more than Scorpion because he actually plays a part in the story line a lot and he becomes different with each game while Scorpion remains the same, both story wise and appearance wise. I would love to see a lot of other characters used more often too besides just the three I mentioned by name.

What does Scorpion bring that makes him interesting exactly? Just because he was in the first game doesn't make his story even the slightest bit interesting.
You've posted in this thread three times saying that all MKs need these two, and the only character who has been given any justification of being in a future MK game is Sub-Zero, as his story has developed and changed since he was first introduced in the series. Even if you look at it from the perspectives of either Sub-Zero (Noob Saibot and the current Sub-Zero), you still have justification for why they're both interesting and add something to the story.
If you are going to post again in this thread, rather than just repeating ad nauseam that these two are staples, why don't you tell us a reason for why? Just because they are from the first game doesn't mean they have earned a spot in the next one.
Also, if you honestly think MK Special Forces failed because of a lack of Sub-Zero or Scorpion, then you have no idea what you're talking about.

Even though it didn't hold much appeal, I still did pay attention and evaluate. Even though I may not particularly be a fan of a character, I still look at their bio and stuff to see what exactly they're after or why they are there. Just something I noticed.

My dream MK game...

Yeah, I realised how boring Scorpion actually is and stopped liking him, and the abomination Sub-Zero is my most hated kombatant of all time.

I need a new username... one that doesn't represent Scorpion

Then look carefully: your statements are just shallow.