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Dreadnaughtx
08/16/2011 08:45 AM (UTC)
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Meh, person who needs any nerfin is Raiden.


The only way to nerf Raiden would be to give all of his moves more of a disadvantage, and that could possibly cripple him offline, which is what the focus is.


Ah. Well shit. Might as well deal with him then complain.

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Welis
08/16/2011 08:47 AM (UTC)
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I hate to break it out for you, but the SubZero player was terrible. I play Sub Zero very often more than any characters in MK9. You just have to trade projectiles. Sub Zero is a tank character, no need to rush, take your time, block, dash-block, use enhanced ice ball and you are good to go.
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08/16/2011 09:48 AM (UTC)
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Welis Wrote:
I hate to break it out for you, but the SubZero player was terrible. I play Sub Zero very often more than any characters in MK9. You just have to trade projectiles. Sub Zero is a tank character, no need to rush, take your time, block, dash-block, use enhanced ice ball and you are good to go.


Very good advice, especially the enhanced freeze, I didn't even think of that. The match in general is certainly in Noob's favor I think, but a few well timed enhanced freezes and combo's could possibly make them think twice about spamming projectiles.
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If you use the term "spam" I have no time for your argument.

08/16/2011 09:56 AM (UTC)
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Oh jeez. I don't even want to comment. Could the people on this site please learn how to play the game and stop complaining and whining about crap?

There are ways to deal with anything in this game. Stop crying for nerfs all the damn time. Look to yourselves for the problem. If someone spamming shadows (or any other move) beats you, you suck! Just stop playing or go hit the practice room and get better.
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08/16/2011 12:05 PM (UTC)
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this video explains it all: Noob spam

I sent a tweet to a few developers about this shit cause it's getting way out of hand. This is the equivalent of the Superman ground pound from MKvsDC. There should be a delay in between his shadow specials. You see, the opponent likes to be a scumbag and goes all the way away from you and spams that shadow shoulder move all fucking day until he wins.

Some assholes online like to do a little mixup. They'll keep doing the regular shadow run special followed by a shadow slide special and if you jump to get close they do the anti shadow air crap. This shits pissing me off and something needs to be done about it.


LOL at the video.
I had a lot of experience with Noob Saibot vs Sub-Zero.
I use Sub-Zero and my friend mains Noob Saibot and does nothing BUT that.

Wanna know how to beat that?

ICE FREEZE.

Sub-Zero is the only character you can trade projectiles with against Noob Saibot. You will most likely not have time to do a combo, so Ice Slide him.
He'll just panic and will try to restart, so as he's freaking out, Ice Freeze or find someway to pressure him. When you do, you're golden. The closer you are when you land a successful freeze, the better the asswhooping.
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08/16/2011 12:59 PM (UTC)
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It's called zoning. It's not spamming just because you can't break out of it. That's how it's meant to be in the game.
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WhereThereIsSmoke
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08/16/2011 01:06 PM (UTC)
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Could someone please send a tweet to the developers and tell them to ignore any previous uninformed tweets regarding nerfs ?
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redman
08/16/2011 01:36 PM (UTC)
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It's called zoning. It's not spamming just because you can't break out of it. That's how it's meant to be in the game.

That's definitely not zoning. He's just spamming the same move to get a easy win.
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Necromorphiliac
08/16/2011 01:51 PM (UTC)
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WhereThereIsSmoke Wrote:
Oh jeez. I don't even want to comment. Could the people on this site please learn how to play the game and stop complaining and whining about crap?

There are ways to deal with anything in this game. Stop crying for nerfs all the damn time. Look to yourselves for the problem. If someone spamming shadows (or any other move) beats you, you suck! Just stop playing or go hit the practice room and get better.

Well practice mode doesn't help so much in this case because there isn't a 'spamming asshole' setting. And I doubt either of my roommates wants to sit there spamming for me.
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08/16/2011 01:56 PM (UTC)
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It's called zoning. It's not spamming just because you can't break out of it. That's how it's meant to be in the game.


lol, spammers making the process justify by labeling it as a different name with the same concept. "It's okay, it's not called spamming if a pro says so". Whatever.
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08/16/2011 02:15 PM (UTC)
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WeaponTheory Wrote:
ArtemisFlow Wrote:
It's called zoning. It's not spamming just because you can't break out of it. That's how it's meant to be in the game.


lol, spammers making the process justify by labeling it as a different name with the same concept. "It's okay, it's not called spamming if a pro says so". Whatever.


Did I ever say I was a pro or that I'd do that online?
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08/16/2011 02:27 PM (UTC)
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ArtemisFlow Wrote:
WeaponTheory Wrote:
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It's called zoning. It's not spamming just because you can't break out of it. That's how it's meant to be in the game.


lol, spammers making the process justify by labeling it as a different name with the same concept. "It's okay, it's not called spamming if a pro says so". Whatever.


Did I ever say I was a pro or that I'd do that online?


Was I implying it to you? No.
Some idiot actually said something like that before. They actually said it's not called spamming, it's called zoning, because a fucking book written by a "pro" said so.
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08/16/2011 03:55 PM (UTC)
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Noob spammers are the easiest to beat.

Liu Kang's fucking almost infinite combo spam should be nerfed.


FUCKING THIS.
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Johnny-Eyeball
08/16/2011 04:55 PM (UTC)
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Get better at the game. There's your solution, no nerfing required.
All anyone seems to do is moan about this or that character.
'wah wah spam wah wah teleports wah wah combos wah wah babalities wah wah fucking waaaaah'
Just be fucking good at the game and you won't have a problem! I mean, calling somebody a "scumbag" for spamming a move? Fucking gimp.
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ShaolinChuan
08/16/2011 08:12 PM (UTC)
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Johnny-Eyeball Wrote:
Get better at the game. There's your solution, no nerfing required.
All anyone seems to do is moan about this or that character.
'wah wah spam wah wah teleports wah wah combos wah wah babalities wah wah fucking waaaaah'
Just be fucking good at the game and you won't have a problem! I mean, calling somebody a "scumbag" for spamming a move? Fucking gimp.


Oh look, a noob is calling me a gimp, what ever shall I do? You must be a spammer yourself if you got offended by my comment, and if you are one, fuck you. So tuff behind duh internetz. Try to be a spammer back in the arcade days you would've gotten your head pummeled through the arcade screen asshole.
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Espio872
08/16/2011 08:19 PM (UTC)
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Keep it civil guys, enough of the flaming.
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Kitana_MK9
08/16/2011 08:23 PM (UTC)
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well your going to end up getting it if you just stand there and take it.

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08/16/2011 08:25 PM (UTC)
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Espio872 Wrote:
Keep it civil guys, enough of the flaming.


*Sigh* I've already warned Johnny-Eyeball multiple times with the flaming and yet he continues to do so.

It's getting out of hand really.
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08/17/2011 08:15 PM (UTC)
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Kano is a gr8 Anti-Noob Counter. His Knives go High for 11% dmg, 13% I believe EX'd. Noob gets Corner Trapped from Kano's knives no matter what. If he Jumps over Knives Up Ball, & Repeat. If Noob teleports up ball or uppercut. Also when jumping over Shadow Cannon coming down, for Zoning. Noob can't handle Kano's Turtle Game. Trust me, Kano Knives > Shadows.
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08/17/2011 10:14 PM (UTC)
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MINION Wrote:
Kano is a gr8 Anti-Noob Counter. His Knives go High for 11% dmg, 13% I believe EX'd. Noob gets Corner Trapped from Kano's knives no matter what. If he Jumps over Knives Up Ball, & Repeat. If Noob teleports up ball or uppercut. Also when jumping over Shadow Cannon coming down, for Zoning. Noob can't handle Kano's Turtle Game. Trust me, Kano Knives > Shadows.


Lifesaver! Thx bud.
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08/18/2011 04:37 AM (UTC)
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redman Wrote:
ArtemisFlow Wrote:
It's called zoning. It's not spamming just because you can't break out of it. That's how it's meant to be in the game.

That's definitely not zoning. He's just spamming the same move to get a easy win.


Spamming is when the person using noob is just throwing projectiles mindlessly. Noob is the best zoning character in the game, the way he is meant to be played is not just throwing random projectiles, you have to cut off the screen and counter with his high or low projectile and use his up shadow for countering or aa countering and the teleport as well for countering. Noob is a hit and run type of character hes a zoner.

I just started playing with noob and i havent lost with him yet and I get a lot of rage quits because most of the matches go like this, me turtling and zoning and aa jump ins with that up shadow and in the second round more of the same till i have a good life lead and then ill start to preasure his triangle, square, triangle combo into x ray or ill just x ray a random jump in or jump back.
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08/18/2011 05:34 AM (UTC)
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Weapon Theory said:
"lol, spammers making the process justify by labeling it as a different name with the same concept. "It's okay, it's not called spamming if a pro says so". Whatever."

Uhh yeah. That was zoning. Everyone labels spamming as "doing the same move over and over" and uhh last time I checked (which was just a couple of minutes ago) he DIDN'T use the same move. He used both variants of the shadow charges. He noticed that the Sub Zero player NEVER blocked low so he used shadow slide to his advantage and exploited a weakness in the opponent. That is effective zoning.

And cooldown on shadows no offence = stupidest idea ever. You want to nerf his major keepaway tools on a keepaway character? Noob's normals are incredibly slow and most of them are unsafe on block. Plus he has crappy pokes. If you nerf his zoning tools, you best make him damn good upclose like Cage, Sonya, or Kung Lao
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08/18/2011 06:23 AM (UTC)
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rayden4u2335 Wrote:
Weapon Theory said:
"lol, spammers making the process justify by labeling it as a different name with the same concept. "It's okay, it's not called spamming if a pro says so". Whatever."

Uhh yeah. That was zoning. Everyone labels spamming as "doing the same move over and over" and uhh last time I checked (which was just a couple of minutes ago) he DIDN'T use the same move. He used both variants of the shadow charges. He noticed that the Sub Zero player NEVER blocked low so he used shadow slide to his advantage and exploited a weakness in the opponent. That is effective zoning.

And cooldown on shadows no offence = stupidest idea ever. You want to nerf his major keepaway tools on a keepaway character? Noob's normals are incredibly slow and most of them are unsafe on block. Plus he has crappy pokes. If you nerf his zoning tools, you best make him damn good upclose like Cage, Sonya, or Kung Lao


There we go! Nice to see more sensible and level-headed users who actually understand fighting games. There are no imaginary rules that say you cannot use whatever is in the game however you please people. The sooner everyone gets this the better.
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08/18/2011 06:36 AM (UTC)
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rayden4u2335 Wrote:
Weapon Theory said:
"lol, spammers making the process justify by labeling it as a different name with the same concept. "It's okay, it's not called spamming if a pro says so". Whatever."

Uhh yeah. That was zoning. Everyone labels spamming as "doing the same move over and over" and uhh last time I checked (which was just a couple of minutes ago) he DIDN'T use the same move. He used both variants of the shadow charges. He noticed that the Sub Zero player NEVER blocked low so he used shadow slide to his advantage and exploited a weakness in the opponent. That is effective zoning.

And cooldown on shadows no offence = stupidest idea ever. You want to nerf his major keepaway tools on a keepaway character? Noob's normals are incredibly slow and most of them are unsafe on block. Plus he has crappy pokes. If you nerf his zoning tools, you best make him damn good upclose like Cage, Sonya, or Kung Lao


He even clearly stated in his own video that he was spamming.
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Thatoneguy
08/18/2011 10:20 AM (UTC)
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I wish that they didn't make Noob Saibot a zoner, I hate zoning. I've strayed away from him as my favorite now. I wish he were like Sub-Zero, or Sonya, maybe Nightwolf. I just hate that he has slow combos, and very little good combos. Also, people just spam with him (and imo he look stupid when his primary takes a bunch of damage and his mask is torn apart, I hate that) he's such an awesome looking character, and he's a freaking zoner.

Look at that video, it's ridiculous. That Sub-Zero player wasn't the best, I'll admit, but that's a prime example of what I'm talking about.
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