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Obviously this guy doesnt know shit about MK
03/11/2011 02:56 AM EST
lol look at this guy smh I wish i could punch his streetfighter fan boy ass in his face lmao....he got everything wrong....and compares everything to streetfighter smh just watch for yaself.....i got a kick out of this one.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ7I1E7rWXY&feature;=player_embedded

someone hyperlink please? thanksgrin
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03/11/2011 03:05 AM EST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUIiwq529xg&feature;=related

Actually YOU don't know shit. That is a high level player. The kind of person this game wants to attract. Watch the other part of his review. He also clearly admits he doesn't know anything about MK and requests outside help to educate him.
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03/11/2011 03:15 AM EST
Ehmm, Street Fighter is a respectable game series. It is no where near as popular as Mortal Kombat, but I'm sure we all agree that it is an awesome game series.

In other words... So what if her compares Street Fighter to MK?
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RE: Obviously this guy doesnt know shit about MK
03/11/2011 03:18 AM EST
Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUIiwq529xg&feature;=related

Actually YOU don't know shit. That is a high level player. The kind of person this game wants to attract. Watch the other part of his review. He also clearly admits he doesn't know anything about MK and requests outside help to educate him.


its not even that its also the fact that he acts like an arrogant prickwink
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03/11/2011 03:24 AM EST
He should probably figure shit out before attempting this.
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03/11/2011 03:28 AM EST
Him talking about the button number of the game is pissing me the fuck off, this guy sounds like a retard. "Durr on further inspection this isn't a 8 button game.."
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RE: Obviously this guy doesnt know shit about MK
03/11/2011 03:31 AM EST
"It' like a frozen bitch..."

I laughed so hard at that. XD

But yeah, he openly says he knows nothing about Mortal Kombat, so there you go.
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03/11/2011 03:32 AM EST
Watching that video has really tempted me to make a "Mortal Kombat Review for Dummies" ... lol...

I don't know jack crap about fighting games played at a competative level, or the finer points of their mechanics... so half the stuff he described and/or complained about is stuff I don't give a flying rats ass about...

That said, I've been a HUGE Mortal Kombat fan my whole life... a Moderate Street Fighter fan, and I've dabbled a little in Tekken, Dead or Alive and Soul Calibur...

So when I see these people... in forums and videos... that talk about clunkiness and framerates and canceling things and combo nuances and tiers and wakeup game and blah blah blah... I'm like HOLY CRAP... I don't CARE about this stuff.

So yeah... I'm kinda tempted to do an average man's review. Both to express my real opinions and yeah... to kindof... mockingly parody those guys... lol..

But I'm sure I won't, because ultimately it would be more trouble than I feel like going to, hehehe. (Plus I own an xbox so... god knows when I'm actually getting the demo...)
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03/11/2011 03:32 AM EST
I don't get this dude. He is trying to understand something without research. he also sounds very condescending. yeah he is right on some stuff, but this not the way to get people to listen to him.
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RE: Obviously this guy doesnt know shit about MK
03/11/2011 03:33 AM EST
Well, the guy is right about the breaker move. If it uses that much of the meter, you should be able to break the combo and immediatly start one yourself.

But yeah, he sounds really cocky. I know street fighter is a good game (I have it myself), but he is bashing on MK fans.
And he knows it too, otherwise he wouldn't be that worried that we would be offended by what he is saying.
And I think it's real cocky to say "you should persuade us SF fans to play your game". Djeezz, like we care if you play the game or not.
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03/11/2011 03:34 AM EST
I appreciate his views on the game, both negative and supportive. He is a fighting game "veteran", a highly competitive player who knows many of the ins and outs of fighting games etc. What works, what doesn't work. So his opinion is worth something. I may not care about the tournament competitive scene, but I can respect it, and understand the importance and influence it has on the success of the game.

With that said. I can't stand listening to these types of players. Being a highly competitive player who competes in these things, and basically studies every facet about fighting games etc., means you likely have an ego attached with it. I have yet to run into a highly competitive player, who doesn't have an ego that gets in his way. You can just tell from how he presents himself and the way he talks down to MK fans, that he feels he is superior and he isn't afraid of showing in. Cockiness, arrogance, and being full of yourself, is almost part of the requirements to be that into the game's mechanics and whatnot. Not that it's the case for all competitive players, but I have yet to see one who isn't, and that's not just with fighting games, it also goes for FPS and MMOs etc.

That's my only problem here. As I said, he obviously knows more than I do about what makes the game balanced, and the types of things you need in a fighting game to make them tournament successful. That's the difference though, that a lot of competitive players don't seem to understand. They think tourneament success determines the game's success, which is not the case, at least when it comes to MK. This game will succeed regardless if it's successful at tournaments. That's pretty much guranteed by the success of previous games alone.

I will not disagree that the tournament scene can boosts the game's popularity and reputation, but the game's success and sales will not depend on it. That's what bugs me most about competitive players. With their egos the way they are, a lot of times with games, they treat their approval as much more important than anyone elses. We all know the casual player makes up the majority, so it shouldn't be perceived any different. The game needs to appeal to casuals just as much as the tournament scene if not more. If you can manage both, and do it effectively, then that's what leads to the best possible game. MK has that potential. It has it's gore factor, it's story, and it's basic attacks and button commands that cater to the casual players more than a game like Street Fighter. So if it can have a deep fighting engine, balanced game and whatnot to make it tournament "worthy", then all the better.

People shouldn't think torunament players will make or break the game though, because it just isn't true. That's where I can't stand it. This guy seems like another competitive player that feels as if his opinion is superior, and will determine whether or not the game deserves to be loved or hated. It's an atiitude like that, that makes me not care if he likes it or not. Come down to reality and treat me as an equal, and then we'll discuss and debate about the game and I will value your opinion.

Like I said though, he made good points, and I am not discounting what he had to say. He's right about 90% of it. So don't take the rest of what I said as if I am just discrediting what he pointed out.
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RE: Obviously this guy doesnt know shit about MK
03/11/2011 03:36 AM EST
Mileenaownz12345 Wrote:
Ehmm, Street Fighter is a respectable game series. It is no where near as popular as Mortal Kombat, but I'm sure we all agree that it is an awesome game series.

In other words... So what if her compares Street Fighter to MK?


Im a hardcore fan of both series but street fighter is actually more popular than mk worldwide
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03/11/2011 03:43 AM EST
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Mileenaownz12345 Wrote:
Ehmm, Street Fighter is a respectable game series. It is no where near as popular as Mortal Kombat, but I'm sure we all agree that it is an awesome game series.

In other words... So what if her compares Street Fighter to MK?


Im a hardcore fan of both series but street fighter is actually more popular than mk worldwide


As I said, I'm a hardcore fan of MK and a moderate fan of Street Fighter, and I'd agree with this guy.

Street Fighter is the more popular series overall. By far.
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03/11/2011 03:44 AM EST
Okay, first of all, this didn't need to be an 18 minute video. The guy really should have explored the mechanics and talked to an expert before turning on the camera.

Second of all, a lot of the SF comparisons are valid. Every SF element he brought up was applicable to the MK demo. In many areas, this game should resemble Street Fighter. It should have style diversity, varying speed and frame data, smooth movement, etc.

If he's right about this review, then some of this stuff is worrisome. The four characters on the demo should not have the same walk speed. I don't fucking care how old this demo's build is.

I don't even know why people are getting so pissed about this video. He actually had a lot of good things to say about it. The only criticism he had which I felt was... eh, premature to say the least, was his attack on the meter building. I kinda like the momentum effect that comes with the first attack. Giving the first attack pivotal meaning is kinda cool. I also don't think having a generic jump arc is a big deal. That's just MK for ya.
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03/11/2011 04:00 AM EST
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"It' like a frozen bitch..."

I laughed so hard at that. XD

But yeah, he openly says he knows nothing about Mortal Kombat, so there you go.


I love how he knew kenshi off the bat but frost was "that frozen bitch" HA!

any ways I like the points he made but as stated earlier I dislike the way he presented it.

my honest opinion, if they make the game "tournament worthy" then we will build up our own prestige and fill our own ranks in tournaments with or with out him. Street fighter and Tekken had to do the same when the whole idea of tournaments started, pretty much this guy's only real gripe about the game was the possibility of massive damage, if they tone that down, then essentially the rest of his video was "this is interesting, I'm not use to this but it's not a good/bad thing just unusual to me"

I really don't think it's our job to make him like this game. more so NRS job, because every community has it's good and bad eggs, but if NRS balances out the damage properties, I'm sure the game will be sold as a tournament worthy game, and with all the hours of single player game play it will be a great game for the people who aren't so competitive.
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03/11/2011 04:08 AM EST
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People shouldn't think torunament players will make or break the game though, because it just isn't true.

Well, it depends what you mean by make or break. In terms of sales, no, the opinions of the tournament scenes are pretty much irrelevant. In terms of play life, I'd say they're by far the most important. Mk2011 may sell well, but if it keeps getting chosen for the Evo tournament year after year because of attendance and consistent community output, not only is MK going to overall get more respect, but the industry is going to see that fighting games are a growing force to be reckoned with, and Warner Bros will invest further into the franchise.

And by investing, I don't just mean giving NRS a higher budget. If Warner Bros sees that this game is relevant beyond first year sales, they're going to build more infrastructure between the company and the gamers, creating more (and fancier) outlets for fan/company communication, and also spend a few dollars here and there to make life for the tournament player a little easier.

I guess what I'm saying is that when a game does well, the company invests in the game, but when a community does well, the company invests in the community. In the long, the tournament player's opinion is going weigh quite bit.">
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03/11/2011 04:17 AM EST
In the second video, he is quite right about MK fans being "overprotective" about "their" game... The man is trying to learn how the system works, so calling him a noob (amongst other things) will only make him dislike the game and the MK community more.

I am a fan of both MK and Street Fighter, and I like how they play differently from eachother, but I can see where he's coming from. He doesn't know MK, but he knows SF, so OF COURSE he's going to compare it to something he knows! Everyone in the entire world does that to everything new they stumble upon.

So instead of bitching about him, help him understanding the game, because as he says, he is willing to learn and recieve help to understand Mortal Kombat better.

Don't be so touchy, people...
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03/11/2011 04:57 AM EST
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In the second video, he is quite right about MK fans being "overprotective" about "their" game... The man is trying to learn how the system works, so calling him a noob (amongst other things) will only make him dislike the game and the MK community more.

I am a fan of both MK and Street Fighter, and I like how they play differently from eachother, but I can see where he's coming from. He doesn't know MK, but he knows SF, so OF COURSE he's going to compare it to something he knows! Everyone in the entire world does that to everything new they stumble upon.

So instead of bitching about him, help him understanding the game, because as he says, he is willing to learn and recieve help to understand Mortal Kombat better.

Don't be so touchy, people...


I, for one, am not offended that he compares it with SF. Street Fighter is a good game and obviously people are going to compare something with what they know.
That there are MK fans "overprotective", I wont deny. But the same can be said about about SF fans, or any franchise for that matter.

And as said earlier, it's not our job to help him understanding the game. Especially not since how cocky he comes accross. I think you are under the impression that people here are "mad" at him for pointing out the "faults" in the game, while we are just "mad" at how cocky he sounds.
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03/11/2011 07:38 AM EST
Aris rules and whiners should be ashamed of their silly-williness. He said virtually nothing cocky, only got derogatory after everyone jumped on his ass for no reason, and managed to provide some pretty good videos too. The only problem I had with these videos was the use of the word "homos" as an insult. Fools or idiots would've sufficed.
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03/11/2011 09:31 AM EST
I find it ironic that he calls himself an avid sf player; yet is confused by some of the mechanics that he acknowledges is borrowed from sf.

He seems to be pretty confused on the super meter and like many, he feels that it should reward the attacking player. Just like the ultra combo meter in sf, the x-ray is a way to make the fight balanced by ensuing the losing player has a chance to make a comeback.

The enhanced moves however, are also tied to the same meter. In sf, ex and ultra combos rely on their own separate meter. If your attacking, as long you give chip damage and use special moves, you'll still build up meter, as well as giving damage.

As for the Combo Breakers, If you're playing against the ai at the beginner difficulty, then it's rather pointless to use it. When you're playing at a high level(ai or human), then its use is vital. For example, last night it was down to the wire against scorpion and the second he did the second move to his 3-hit combo, I knew I had two options: Use my breaker and hope I beat him to the chip damage or save my x-ray for round 3. I took a gamble with the breaker and it payed off.

I'd liked to hear some people's opinions on the fact that meter doesn't reset itself after each round. Is this a good or a bad thing?
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03/11/2011 01:10 PM EST
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I find it ironic that he calls himself an avid sf player; yet is confused by some of the mechanics that he acknowledges is borrowed from sf.

He seems to be pretty confused on the super meter and like many, he feels that it should reward the attacking player. Just like the ultra combo meter in sf, the x-ray is a way to make the fight balanced by ensuing the losing player has a chance to make a comeback.

The enhanced moves however, are also tied to the same meter. In sf, ex and ultra combos rely on their own separate meter. If your attacking, as long you give chip damage and use special moves, you'll still build up meter, as well as giving damage.

As for the Combo Breakers, If you're playing against the ai at the beginner difficulty, then it's rather pointless to use it. When you're playing at a high level(ai or human), then its use is vital. For example, last night it was down to the wire against scorpion and the second he did the second move to his 3-hit combo, I knew I had two options: Use my breaker and hope I beat him to the chip damage or save my x-ray for round 3. I took a gamble with the breaker and it payed off.

I'd liked to hear some people's opinions on the fact that meter doesn't reset itself after each round. Is this a good or a bad thing?


I like that the meter doesnt reset because it gives us a type of strategy whether to use it or bank it for an x-ray like someone explained earlier
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03/11/2011 02:23 PM EST
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUIiwq529xg&feature;=related

Actually YOU don't know shit. That is a high level player. The kind of person this game wants to attract. Watch the other part of his review. He also clearly admits he doesn't know anything about MK and requests outside help to educate him.


This^

Actually I saw this exact video on another site and was hoping someone would post it here because he gave an interesting analysis.
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03/11/2011 02:40 PM EST
He's right in that he's the kind of person this game needs to impress. A good chunk of MK fans seem to eat anything thrown at them as far as mechanics go, and get more riled up that so-and-so has funky hair rather than that the game is ass and doesn't play well. One look at the 2011 forum where people swear off the game forever because the story is supposedly ruined and might have nudity says a lot about the fanbase.

He seems to understand that the game is by default not the same as other games and does things differently, such as how the meter is built. Kudos to him for at least grasping the concept of differentiation, since I've seen other people complain that it's not enough like Street Fighter, and the game is destined to suck because of it. That's a bad attitude to have, because if the game is too much like Street Fighter then what's the point in playing a clone over the real thing?
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03/13/2011 06:13 PM EDT
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Watching that video has really tempted me to make a "Mortal Kombat Review for Dummies" ... lol...

I don't know jack crap about fighting games played at a competative level, or the finer points of their mechanics... so half the stuff he described and/or complained about is stuff I don't give a flying rats ass about...

That said, I've been a HUGE Mortal Kombat fan my whole life... a Moderate Street Fighter fan, and I've dabbled a little in Tekken, Dead or Alive and Soul Calibur...

So when I see these people... in forums and videos... that talk about clunkiness and framerates and canceling things and combo nuances and tiers and wakeup game and blah blah blah... I'm like HOLY CRAP... I don't CARE about this stuff.

So yeah... I'm kinda tempted to do an average man's review. Both to express my real opinions and yeah... to kindof... mockingly parody those guys... lol..

But I'm sure I won't, because ultimately it would be more trouble than I feel like going to, hehehe. (Plus I own an xbox so... god knows when I'm actually getting the demo...)



Holy crap, ME too. I'm not huge in Fighting games at all, just MK.


So yeah....

Dude, If I get married, you are totally invited to my wedding.

"thats gay lol, lame you suck that was weird lol do u really care that much abut mk lol"

Goddamn trolls follow me everywhere, I'm gonna make a run for it.
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RE: Obviously this guy doesnt know shit about MK
03/18/2011 05:41 PM EDT
For all of the people saying that they do not care about recovery frames, walking speeds, fighting engine, etc. why are you posting in the Strategy Zone? Seems a little weird...

Anyway, this guy knows his 'ish and a lot of his and others' observations are good reasons to be concerned. I've been toying with the demo quite a bit, and there are some things in the fighting engine that don't make any sense. His attitude isn't the greatest, but it doesn't change that he has a lot of experience with well respected fighting games, so his opinion on the game that we all hope to be great should mean something.
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