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06/19/2014 06:22 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
I smell a clone account.


Milaana and Dvorah is the same, yes.


Glad I'm not the only one who sees it, even though it's pretty obvious.
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Jaded-Raven
06/19/2014 06:22 PM (UTC)
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Charybdis Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
I smell a clone account.


There's several. Milaana and Dvorah are definitely clone accounts, I reckon hankypanky returning, which could all be noobsmoke mk.

If SpiDol was a genuine troll, maybe him


I have talked with both Milaana/Dvorah and hanky, and they are two different people.
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DVorah
06/19/2014 06:22 PM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
I smell a clone account.


My old account is Milaana, its from 2011 so I forgot the password and had to create a new account.

Then I found out about the password and returned to my old account.

But I rather have this new account, Dvorah will be my new favorite character so you can delete Milaana if possible.
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06/19/2014 06:26 PM (UTC)
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DVorah Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
I smell a clone account.


My old account is Milaana, its from 2011 so I forgot the password and had to create a new account.

Then I found out about the password and returned to my old account.

But I rather have this new account, Dvorah will be my new favorite character so you can delete Milaana if possible.


Or preferably, ban both and improve the forums
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06/20/2014 12:19 AM (UTC)
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Tanya? Come on guys...


That about says it all. I have no idea where this "every MK character is a beautiful and unique snowflake" mentality came from. Some of them are pure shit, and should just be left in the past. Tanya on the cover of MK is one of the most absurd things I've heard in my entire life.

It's going to do everyone a world of good to get comfortable with balance.

When a game ships, you get thirty-odd characters who you can play with as often or as little as you like. You can personalize your experience. You can make a single third-string character the entire focus of your experience. That's fine. That's the beauty of fighting games making the leap from Player 1 to Choose Your Fighter.

Characters are there to be enjoyed and played with, but accepting the fact that each piece of the puzzle has a different role in the bigger picture is part of the experience. Embrace it. It's the DNA of the difference between one character or another.

The cover is there to be seen by the millions of people who are picking it up off shelves, buying it online. It's got to be striking, memorable, and ideally representative of the material. There are arguments to made against this MKX cover. It's absolutely on the bland side, and it doesn't really tell you much of anything about the game inside. I would've liked to have seen a cover that reflected the timeline high concept. We don't know how that plays out, but they're leading with the 25 year timeline and getting an image that had two generations of characters could've made for an interesting, representative image.

At the end of the day, this cover arguably reflects the strength of the brand. It doesn't need to be representative. 20+ years have given Mortal Kombat the luxury to rely on a single iconic image. Scorpion has had dozens of different designs over that period of time, but people know the yellow ninja. They know the spear move, they know the catch phrase, they know the hellfire and vengeance. It's succinct. It's consistent. It's a strong lead. It's the universal, proven quantity you want catching attention, hooking fans, and providing the gateway to all the other characters we know and love. Your franchise player is the vehicle to put over other characters. That's good for everyone. If it succeeds and you focus on what works - maybe you can even start to build a case for second-tier characters in the spotlight.

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If I were Ed Boon, I wouldn't be listening to any of this either.

If I'm Ed Boon, I'm going to see a bunch of kids whining on a message board and trying to tear down a proven quantity. Why are they trying to tear it down? Because it works. The criticism is the success. Ridiculous. There's nothing there to consider. It's a complete disregard.

If I'm Ed Boon, I want to see better ideas. Reasons for those ideas. Examples of those ideas. Some mock-ups, some concepts. Some genuine enthusiasm, as opposed to festering pubescent resentment for common sense, success, etc..

Tanya? Come on guys...


Quoted for truth. MKO is fast becoming a whinefest, which is bizarre, considering there has never been more reasons to be hyped for MK

Lead the way, guys. Grab onto the things you're enjoying and put your energy behind that. MKO has no interest in being represented by snivelling whining in the community. That should be in the minority. It's not what anybody sensible wants.
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Jaded-Raven
06/20/2014 12:50 AM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:

It's going to do everyone a world of good to get comfortable with balance.

When a game ships, you get thirty-odd characters who you can play with as often or as little as you like. You can personalize your experience. You can make a single third-string character the entire focus of your experience. That's fine. That's the beauty of fighting games making the leap from Player 1 to Choose Your Fighter.

Characters are there to be enjoyed and played with, but accepting the fact that each piece of the puzzle has a different role in the bigger picture is part of the experience. Embrace it. It's the DNA of the difference between one character or another.


One of the best statements you've made, Mick. I'll give you that and I completely agree. A fighting game is not just about "that one character", but all of them.

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The cover is there to be seen by the millions of people who are picking it up off shelves, buying it online. It's got to be striking, memorable, and ideally representative of the material. There are arguments to made against this MKX cover. It's absolutely on the bland side, and it doesn't really tell you much of anything about the game inside. I would've liked to have seen a cover that reflected the timeline high concept. We don't know how that plays out, but they're leading with the 25 year timeline and getting an image that had two generations of characters could've made for an interesting, representative image.

At the end of the day, this cover arguably reflects the strength of the brand. It doesn't need to be representative. 20+ years have given Mortal Kombat the luxury to rely on a single iconic image. Scorpion has had dozens of different designs over that period of time, but people know the yellow ninja. They know the spear move, they know the catch phrase, they know the hellfire and vengeance. It's succinct. It's consistent. It's a strong lead. It's the universal, proven quantity you want catching attention, hooking fans, and providing the gateway to all the other characters we know and love. Your franchise player is the vehicle to put over other characters. That's good for everyone. If it succeeds and you focus on what works - maybe you can even start to build a case for second-tier characters in the spotlight.


And that is what many anti-Scorpion fans neglect. I have been one of them myself. I don't like Scorpion and I see his popularity as undeserving, but due to his popularity and recognizability, I completely understand why he is the front man of Mortal Kombat, even if I wish it wasn't so.

What I tried to point out was that if he hadn't been Ed Boon's favourite, but maybe Sub-Zero instead, would that have changed things? If Sub-Zero had gotten the attention from the MK team, have been given a catchphrase and so on INSTEAD of Scorpion, would that have changed the fanbase's view on Scorpion and would that mean he wouldn't have become so popular?
- To which people, like moseph amongst others, explained to me that it would probably not make any difference, because the fanbase more or less chose Scorpion to be the front man. And I understand that... but I still can't help but wonder. :P

Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
Charybdis Wrote:
Quoted for truth. MKO is fast becoming a whinefest, which is bizarre, considering there has never been more reasons to be hyped for MK

Lead the way, guys. Grab onto the things you're enjoying and put your energy behind that. MKO has no interest in being represented by snivelling whining in the community. That should be in the minority. It's not what anybody sensible wants.


I can only speak for myself, but I hope people can tell the difference between whining and complaining/discussing a dislike for a character. I've been told several times that I whine whenever I express my dislike for Scorpion, even if I explain why I dislike him and try to reason with people about it. I don't mean to whine and I don't wish for people to see my complaints as whining - that's not why I post here.

I agree that the forums shouldn't be all about "whining" and complaining about all the stuff we don't like, but there are also several threads and posts that are positive, several users who want to discuss things, let their opinions be heard and who seek understanding from others. However, it does seem like that whenever someone say something that is negatively loaded, that person is being assaulted from left and right, as if that person has no right to feel like that.

Acceptance and respect can only be had if they are mutual. If you want to be heard, then you should also learn to listen to what others have to say. If you want your opinion to be accepted, you should also learn to accept that not everyone has the same opinion. If you want respect, show respect.

However, not everyone on this forum are willing to follow these principles, and that is when the flaming commences. Being alot of people in one place, that happens from time to time. I just hope we can all see that we're all MK fans, and because of that we should stick together as a community and at least try and respect eachother on here.
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06/20/2014 12:58 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
What I tried to point out was that if he hadn't been Ed Boon's favourite, but maybe Sub-Zero instead, would that have changed things? If Sub-Zero had gotten the attention from the MK team, have been given a catchphrase and so on INSTEAD of Scorpion, would that have changed the fanbase's view on Scorpion and would that mean he wouldn't have become so popular?
- To which people, like moseph amongst others, explained to me that it would probably not make any difference, because the fanbase more or less chose Scorpion to be the front man. And I understand that... but I still can't help but wonder. :P


This is the part of it I don't understand, and my intention isn't to argue. What undue attention has Scorpion gotten other than winning the past few matches with Sub-Zero in the promos?
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Jaded-Raven
06/20/2014 01:01 AM (UTC)
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JaymzHetfield Wrote:
This is the part of it I don't understand, and my intention isn't to argue. What undue attention has Scorpion gotten other than winning the past few matches with Sub-Zero in the promos?


Are you talking from day 1 with the very first Mortal Kombat, or just MKX?
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JaymzHetfield
06/20/2014 01:03 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
JaymzHetfield Wrote:
This is the part of it I don't understand, and my intention isn't to argue. What undue attention has Scorpion gotten other than winning the past few matches with Sub-Zero in the promos?


Are you talking from day 1 with the very first Mortal Kombat, or just MKX?


All of it, you can't base Scorpion's current popularity on a game that hasn't come out yet when the character is 20+ years old. What has NRS done to favor Scorpion to the point where people had no choice but to accept him as the series' mascot?
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Icebaby
06/20/2014 01:07 AM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
I smell a clone account.


Milaana and Dvorah is the same, yes.


Glad I'm not the only one who sees it, even though it's pretty obvious.


Painfully obvious.

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Anyways,

In my opinion, I don't feel that it's necessarily a good thing to have one character be chosen for the cover of Mortal Kombat, seeing how you have so many characters to choose from. I said before I really don't have a problem with this cover, I like it. I just feel that, in a way, Mortal Kombat shouldn't really have their characters shown in the box cover, not even if it was a Sub-Zero vs Scorpion. Just the dragon logo. They've done that for years and to suddenly change that now is just... weird.

Like end labels for game cartridges. Super Nintendo had end labels, then the N64 came, no end labels. What changed?

But here's the thing, and I said this too. You can make your own cover for the box. You can easily take the paper out of the box, design something on Photoshop and place it right into the box so you have your own design. In the end, it's just a box that you stare at no longer than ten seconds, the max. It's really not something I'd want to get my panties in a bunch, but I did want to say that it really shouldn't have had a character on it, but it is what it is.

I'm most likely going to see the side part of the box more than the cover seeing how that's how I have my games looking anyways.
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Jaded-Raven
06/20/2014 01:09 AM (UTC)
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JaymzHetfield Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
JaymzHetfield Wrote:
This is the part of it I don't understand, and my intention isn't to argue. What undue attention has Scorpion gotten other than winning the past few matches with Sub-Zero in the promos?


Are you talking from day 1 with the very first Mortal Kombat, or just MKX?


All of it, you can't base Scorpion's current popularity on a game that hasn't come out yet when the character is 20+ years old. What has NRS done to favor Scorpion to the point where people had no choice but to accept him as the series' mascot?


That's what I wondered myself! I don't know why Scorpion is so popular, but from what I can gather of what others have said, the catchphrase "GET OVER HERE!", his eyecatching yellow colour, the spear move and his flaming skull breath fatality seem to be what the fans latched onto and made him so popular.
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JaymzHetfield
06/20/2014 01:17 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
JaymzHetfield Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
JaymzHetfield Wrote:
This is the part of it I don't understand, and my intention isn't to argue. What undue attention has Scorpion gotten other than winning the past few matches with Sub-Zero in the promos?


Are you talking from day 1 with the very first Mortal Kombat, or just MKX?


All of it, you can't base Scorpion's current popularity on a game that hasn't come out yet when the character is 20+ years old. What has NRS done to favor Scorpion to the point where people had no choice but to accept him as the series' mascot?


That's what I wondered myself! I don't know why Scorpion is so popular, but from what I can gather of what others have said, the catchphrase "GET OVER HERE!", his eyecatching yellow colour, the spear move and his flaming skull breath fatality seem to be what the fans latched onto and made him so popular.


All of that is spot on, and almost none of it has anything to do with Ed Boon. The fact that Ed Boon is getting blamed for making a popular character is unfathomable to me, especially when he gets more credit when he should for him in the first place. John Tobias is responsible for most of those design choices. People act like Ed Boon has this nefarious plot where he wants to force us all to love Scorpion and won't accept any character becoming the series' icon. Scorpion being on the cover has nothing to do with Ed Boon, it's all about WB. There's a reason none of that started until WB bought MK, but Ed Boon takes the blame because he's not shy about Scorpion being his favorite character. Scorpion didn't ever seem to be favored until MK9. It was Sub-Zero and Jax who got their own games. It was Scorpion that was absent from MK3. Scorpion has never been favored, it's just WB that likes to put him out there.
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Icebaby
06/20/2014 01:31 AM (UTC)
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The only thing Ed Boon should be brought up in this discussion is how the guy still does the one voice for more than twenty years and has earned a spot on the video game world record book list thing.

That came out shmolty.
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06/20/2014 01:54 AM (UTC)
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People tripping over Scorpion on the box-art. Maybe Scorpion plays a crucial role in the story? Like it or not though Scorpion has been poster-child status for the series for a while now.

Even if we look at the MK9 box art it's Scorpion vs Sub-Zero.
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Jaded-Raven
06/20/2014 02:06 AM (UTC)
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Mojo6 Wrote:
Even if we look at the MK9 box art it's Scorpion vs Sub-Zero.


And neither of them were key figures in MK9. So it doesn't matter whether or not any of them will be important to the story, it's all about recognition.
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06/20/2014 02:09 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Mojo6 Wrote:
Even if we look at the MK9 box art it's Scorpion vs Sub-Zero.


And neither of them were key figures in MK9. So it doesn't matter whether or not any of them will be important to the story, it's all about recognition.


Yeah probably, I was just speculating. If you look at the Injustice box art though it's more plot context appropriate.
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younglost27
07/15/2014 05:48 PM (UTC)
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nice game guys can't wait till it is released...
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Icebaby
07/15/2014 11:08 PM (UTC)
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younglost27 Wrote:
nice game guys can't wait till it is released...


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