Uhhh...I guess I'm 1st. MKII for five bucks. Not bad.

second!damn!
as the guy above me said 5 dollars aren't too much.
i have to see what will be the PAL price.
however if you own legally a mame rom or 32x version of mk2 you don't have to waste other money for a game without updates.

fuck buying mk2. i already have like 20 times over on multiple systems.

will midway ever stop trying to milk the old mk games?

MK2 isnt worth $4.99 at all!!!!


















Thats waaay too much.

The games before mk4 are the only good ones anyway.
mk4 was the beginning of the end for respectable mk games. Now they are just boring Tekken clones. Most people younger than 20 will never agree or understand, but it is the truth.

i agree with you.
viva mk project (mk-mugen)

It's for online play to expand the competition man.




I would prefer it for the 360 personally which might happen anyway but what ever.

so..mame doesnt already do that?

I don't understant (21 to 22) because for me, the actual MK Games are more entretainment than the boring Tekken games... and for me, are more "original" the actual ones than the 2D Games, that really are Street Fighter 2 "clones" with Fatalitys... and UMK3 > MK2...

Mame does, but it's not as legit obviously, I've had some problems with MAME as good as it may be before now with the older MK's being released on current consoles.After I downloaded the older MK's, it's told me error messages, ROM has been corrupted messages and done everything that I could to help the problem including installing the program a few times.Nothing.Besides, most people are playing the newer consoles now for online fighters anyway so might as well go with that route if you ask me.

PC's I've also always seen as the RPG, FPS etc preference not a fighting game personally.I think most would agree to use a D-pad or a stick before a keyboard.

And I'm not sure about PS3 yet since PS2 had crap for a mic, but as far as the Xbox 360 or Xbox in general is concerned.I enjoy talking to my opponent instead of pausing or stopping to type something personally.It's just a lot more conveinent

Sigh. Fighting games would go to a whole new level of on the whole people started using keyboards or keyboard style controllers. Nothing else compares to the precision.

arcade stick > keyboard

While in MK you can use keyboard with success, you would get pummeled in games like DOA, SF, Tekken, VF and many others that have actual circular moves. In MK there's no quarter circle front, there's down-front, not to mention half, full and multiple circles.

Thus for MK keyboard is most probably the best choice, but in other fighting games arcade stick wins hands down. And it's not just about circular moves. Buttons are as well more precise (and better placed) on the arcade stick than on the keyboard. Even joypads surpass keyboards outside MK, so I guess it should be:

arcade stick > joypad > keyboard

lol

That's only true though if you have trouble doing the half circle and full circles on a keyboard. I really enjoy playing all 2D fighters on a keyboard. I can do a 720 with gief pretty easily. Once you get used to it you can actually just use 3 fingers and press down with your whole hand at once. If you see someone do a 720 that way on a keyboard it looks like they are banging on the keys with 3 fingers at once, but you can actually pull off 720s that way with great precision.

You mention a lot of 3D fighters but I haven't played any of them on keyboard yet. I will once the custom controller is done.

Joypad will pretty much never beat a keyboard because having 5 fingers have access to the buttons versus the thumb for face buttons and other fingers for shoulders, the keyboard gives you a lot more control. But, it's not for everybody, it takes a long time to get used to, and it requires a good keyboard, which is almost always difficult to find. The only good keyboard I've found for fighters is one from 1989 that weighs a ton. It's good because it has transistors (or something) in series with the buttons which prevents locking and ghosting. Newer keyboards usually have those 3-5 buttons at a time maximums.

Yeah, I'd like to use such an "unblockable" keyboard, 'cause blocking is one of the most annoying disadvantages of keyboards.

Anyway, I get your point. I should've stressed that first of all it depends on the individual preferences. There're still many joypad players at the top of fighting games' world rankings. Personally, I really like to play on keyboard and I don't have problems doing super combos in SF, not to mention MK moves. But I've been using various kinds of controllers and I have to say that arcade stick is by far the most appropriate control peripheral for fighting games. There're exceptions of course, like MK for sure. But just take a look at the best world fighting game players who play the games I mentioned for instance. What do they use?

Arcade sticks has more precise and better placed buttons than keyboards. That's out of discussion. As for the player's movement control, it all depends on how well someone have mastered their controller. However, sticks are more intuitive and far easier to master than keys. And contrary to the popular believe, they aren't really slower in the hands of a practised player.

Best gamers around the world try various controllers, custom made as well, especially when they play for a living. They give their hints to manufacturers in order to get the best controller possible. That's how game dedicated controllers were made. By players, for players. Do you think that a keyboard kind of controller wouldn't have been already made for them if it was indeed better?


Lame and unconvincing argument.

There are practically no game dedicated controllers on the market that dedicated players really use. Perhaps performance mice and keyboards for FPS games would fall into that, but those are the only ones I can think of. Console controllers are built to be universal. Arcade controls these days are almost identical to the arcade controls of old.

I really doubt many people have spent any real time using keyboards for things like fighters. I know I only did because I bought a gamepad that sucked and wanted to keep trying combos in UMK3 without buying a replacement. And low and behold combos were possible on the keyboard that I could never get on anything else. I could probably even grab clips of things done in game on keyboard that I would have almost no chance of doing otherwise. Like getting jump kick on grounded opponent -> spin with Kung Lao midscreen. The speed of the keyboard is just too good.

Hopefully the couple of keyboard controllers I have in the works will be ready for the next console tourny and a few interested parties and I can try them out in real competition to see if they hold up at all. Should be fun.

I was planning on using PSX controller guts though. But at this point that won't be compatible with MK2 for PS3, and it's not really compatible with UMK3 on 360. So i guess I'll have to revise those plans a bit. They would still work with most fighters at console tournies because so many are on PS2, Dreamcast or PC and useable adapters are present. But I dont think there are useable adapters for PS3 yet and the only one for 360 is not good.

TakerMK's comment was warranted because the original explanation was baseless. Keyboard is indeed the superior form of control to all. This is coming from someone who has vast experience on various different types of gamepads, and arcade sticks. I've used virtually everything, and nothing stands up to the keyboard in terms of accuracy and precision. There are of course some limitations that don't have to be there. In any event, a no locking instant reaction keyboard style controller, would be the way to go. We have the vision.

There are dedicated controllers for many games and of course not only fighting ones. Many SF players use official SF controllers for example.


I beg to differ. They're way more precise and sensitive now, but it depends on the producer.


You guys talk "fighters" and think "MK". I know that for MK keyboard is better and I've already said that. But have you spent any real time using keyboard for the games I mentioned for instance? And don't tell there's no such possibility, 'cause there is.


Interesting. I hope you'll share your test results with us after that. BTW, are you doing them yourself? Post a hardware test when they're done


His "lol" was lame, because he didn't post any counter-argument to my, like you said, "baseless explanation", which actually really wasn't baseless at all.


I'm sorry, but it's nothing more than your opinion. Say it to the best fighting (and other) game players of this world. And I don't mean UMK3


I agree that in MK it would be a better choice, but definitely not "in any event". Besides, would it still be a keyboard? It would be more of an arcade controller with additional buttons/keys instead of a stick.


Then make it happen. Invent such a controller, sell it to people and become rich. Oh, and send me one, 'cause I'd really like to test it
I'll say it again: do you think that it wouldn't have been already made if it was indeed a better way of control?

The only dedicated SF controllers I've seen are standard 6 button gamepads where the D-pad is typically a good one for fighters, but still mostly similar to d-pads for other games, or arcade sticks with fairly standard arcade parts. Where are the unique ones?

With the exception of perfect 360 sticks, very little has in fact changed in arcade controllers in a very long time. Before 360, the big change was to switches instead of metal contacts and a grounded stick. They are probably more precise in the long run because they are built tougher than they used to be. So very little has actually changed.

I already talked about non-MK fighters and even mentioned about the games you listed so I won't be typing that out again.

Uniqueness wasn't the point. You said there are practically no game dedicated controllers on the market that dedicated players really use and I told you there are.

OK, you have your keyboard vision, then finish this custom controller and test it against other players. And I don't mean in MK. I have my own opinion about 'arcade sticks vs. keyboards' matter and I'm not the only one for sure. People that play these games for a living use arcade sticks AND joypads. And it's not because they don't have a choice or ideas for better controllers.

Sorry, when you said "game dedicated controllers" I thought you meant controllers dedicated to particular games, as in a unique controller for a game or type of game.

Stick is the standard for high level play because arcades are still considered the real place to learn and get good at the games. And arcades have stick. They usually have sticks and buttons that are common at all arcades on all arcade machines.

People use stick because that's what they were given.

Gamepads are making inroads into the fighting game community more now as can be seen with Tekken having PSX controller ports. And also, the slow death of arcades in the US makes gamepads more easily used at tournies that are now becoming console based.

People almost always use what they are given, even at the highest level.

But nobody's really been given a keyboard to use. There are only a handful of gamers really interested, and most of them are coming from Kaillera or something similar. But if keyboards start owning people, it'll be fun to see where it goes

Believe me, there are ones who constantly seek better solutions.


I agree, but instead of actual keyboards I'd rather like it to be some non-blocking keyboard style controllers with better placed buttons/keys owning people Or maybe that would be where mass keyboards using would go. Anyhow, I'm open for new and hopefully better controllers. BTW, good luck with your custom ones.

I can see a keyboard being superior for certain games like FPS's and such but for fighters, I can't see personally..

But yeah you guys are entitled to your views, there's a few different views in here about controllers and all.

My order for MK would be this D-pad(controller)>Joystick>>>>>>>>>Keyboard

There's no way in hell I'm going to compete on a keyboard nor will I be able to buffer any moves when I have to. lol It's just not happening.

Give me a D-pad/controller any day.

Example, I'm the kind of player that LOVES the SNES or N64.lol, I know the N64 for a preferable controller may sound crazy but I did well with it, if they make any of the older MK's downloads later on for the wii.I'm going to love using that oldschool style SNES controller.Perfect for MK2, MK3 and UMK3 in my book for a home console.

I'm a joystick guy all the way...and recently I've been training myself on using the keyboard since all of my equipment is gone temporarily. I have become quite accostomed to using it and from my limited experience, the keyboard is WAY more precise than any pad or stick, there is absolutely no room for argument on that.

Once you get used to it, it's almost like comparing HDTV to SDTV...