No, I personally think it sucked because it didn't have the feel of the previous MKs, the characters weren't a big plus, and the fact that it didn't have some of characters that I favored, excluding Kung Lao. I wouldn't have considered MK3 a major stepping stone for the MK team, but UMK3 is another story, it filled the HUGE void that was MK3.

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Wait he was lin kuei. Well, what makes a ninja? pallete swaps?

MK3 did not suck because it didn't have returning ninjas... it sucked because of unbalanced gameplay.

MK3 was a publically funded beta test for UMK3. They always intended on putting the ninjas in the game, it was just a matter of testing out the game's system on the public. By making MK3 the way it was, it was easy to just plug in the extra characters afterward and call it an upgrade.

i agree.

I think it's better without all of the ninjas. But yes, the majority of the MK fanboyz think that it sucks only because Scorpion, Reptile, Human Smoke, Kitana, Mileena, Jade, Johnny Cage, and Raiden aren't in it.

I remember being very pleased with the roster of MK3. I thought we would finally see a fighting game that didn't just recycle the same cast + a few additions for every game in the series. Plus its gameplay was far superior to MK1 or Mk2 which made it even better. It seemed like a little bit of a sell out when Ultimate came out, but the further gameplay improvements plus the increased roster (even if it was a bunch of recycled characters) were very much welcome and UMK3 became the best MK game. And still is. :)

UMK3's release was just smart business on their part, can't argue with that, and we're glad it turned out so well.

I'm sure more people would have liked MK3 if this was the roster:

Hahaha! Human smoke right next to scorpion, whats the point?

If they gave him the forward teleport (and the leg take down!) and he's a whole different character...well, not so much of a downgraded Smoke anyways.

Exactly.

I think this would have been a bit more reasonable:

LmAo, that's some funny shit

UMK3 is the best, hands down.

Why not kung lao in the middle?

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UMK3 sucked because it was broken and unbalanced.

It had its problems but if you are a fan of MK, what are you going to do? It is still less broken and unbalanced than MK2, MK3, MK4, MKDA or MKD. I don't know how balanced the final version of MK1 was (the earlier revisions were broke as hell) but I do know the gameplay is insanely boring and flat.

UMK3 is the best MK has done so far.

"It is still less broken and unbalanced than MK2"

No it's not. UMK3 is as broken as MK:Deception. Which is pitiful.

"UMK3 is the best MK has done so far."

Nope. That honor goes to MKII.

You know there is a nifty "quote" option... and an edit too.

MKD is indeed pitiful and any game as broken as it is also pitiful. But, UMK3 is the only MK game with high level play because it is the least broken and most balanced. Simple fact determined by extensive play. MK2 had high level "play" to an extent. It was turtling dominated by the 2 god tier character, Mileena and Jax. That's why its "high level play" died off years ago. MKDA and MKD never got high level play to start with. And UMK3 is still at the tournaments now with its high level play being seen fairly regularly.

"MKD is indeed pitiful and any game as broken as it is also pitiful."

That would be UMK3.

"But, UMK3 is the only MK game with high level play because it is the least broken and most balanced."

Wrong again on both accounts.

"Simple fact determined by extensive play. MK2 had high level "play" to an extent. It was turtling dominated by the 2 god tier character, Mileena and Jax."

You keep saying that, but the fact of the matter is, it's nonsense. I played MKII when it first came out quite a bit at Malibu arcade up here in Tampa, and the matches were most certainly NOT dominated by Jax or Mileena. If anyone dominated, it was Lui Kang and Katana -- but not in a "God tier" sense, like say Kabal who is God tier. When Jax was selected, he often got owned. Yes, it was high level play with real tournaments. It was a very big arcade.

Hey, you play on godweapon? If so, let's test your Jax God-tier theory out against me. How about it? Let's also see if you can pull off one of those roundhouse infinites in game.

"That's why its "high level play" died off years ago."

Uh, noooooooooo! People still play at the high level online.

Waterberg has provided no evidence thus far to back up his claim that MKII is the best MK game there is.

Contradicting posts in the simplest manner possible isn't the best way to discuss. I mean, in two threads I've seen you say something like

"MKII is better than UMK3 because of..." and then some cockamamy reasons you created yourself when you have zero experience in high level play.

When replied to with accurate reasons as to why MKII is a pile of trash, you simply reply with something to the affect of:

"No, you're wrong."

The argument doesn't end there. We can all say that too, and no one is going to defend your argument on this site because no one agrees with you. The majority of people who prefer MKII over UMK3 are the ones who don't even care about the gameplay, so that entire population of fans is automatically eliminated from the debate. You are now left with about 5 people on the internet with a level of respect high enough to back you up with why MKII is a *good* game, but there is no one who can help you prove that MKII is better, since UMK3 is everything MKII was...and more.

"People still play it at a high level online" - about 5, there were more, but I converted a bunch to UMK3. Another funny thing about that statement, comparatively that is to UMK3, in May at ECCXI, a major gathering, there was a UMK3 tournament, hosted by...gasp. Shock. There were as a matter of fact, 14 players in that tournament, 1 less than the newest DOA game not 20 feet from us, and wait a second, there were 2 other players who refused to join because they knew they couldn't compete anymore...So let's see. There were more people playing in a UMK3 tournament, from 4 different states (NJ, PA, NY, and VA) than there are who play MKII seriously on Kaillera in the whole world.

UMK3. It's not more than you need, it's more than you're use to.

1. Saying UMK3 is as broken as MKD is complete and utter idiocy. MKD has so many variations of infinites for nearly every character, that it's not even funny. There are so many things wrong with the game's engine that make is so broken. UMK3, on the other hand, has a handful of useable infinites. Setting them up is another feat. If you get caught in Kung Lao's corner spin infinite, then you are jumping around way too much. Which is all too common when playing online, it's overly abusable due to netplay making anti air strategy near impossible. The other infinites, except for stryker's in some situations, are very difficult to pull off in actual gameplay...online is much much harder to do so.

2. So when MKII first came out, nobody used Jax to his full potential? Imagine that. Just because you have a crowd of people playing in tournaments at a very big arcade, doesn't mean that it's high level play. If Jax got owned in such tournaments, then it definitely was NOT high level play. Liu Kang and Kitana are TERRIBLE against Jax, his HK owns them for free.

3. Kaillera doesn't count for anything. It's for fun and means nothing. Playing in online conditions where you get hit by random nonsense is not high level play.

Please don't post anymore, it's stupid and pointless.